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TSSportyHandling
post May 16 2024, 03:35 PM, updated 2y ago

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I'm not sure if the EV that's currently invading the market is putting a dent on the sales of all ICE vehicles. However, I recently spoke to my neighbour who is attached to the top management of Honda Malaysia and he said that there is currently a lot of backlog vehicles that aren't moving while the production has exceeded the current stocks, and a meeting will be held with all the managers to find a solution to resolve the matter (we'll likely see more year-end sales or something like that soon I guess).

Apparently the current invasion of EV vehicles is said to be the culprit to the backlog or slow moving vehicles with Honda. Perhaps this will apply to other car brands as well, I don't know. Just thought of sharing this.

I was also made to understand that the spot weld in EV cars is low quality, not sure if that's true or not.
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post May 16 2024, 03:47 PM

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Rich people (especially those with multiple cars and landed house) usually will try out EV. A simple example would be, why should i get an Accord when i can get a Tesla Model 3 or BYD Seal for a similar price but has better presence and a method to "flex" to my peers.

It will continue to dent in the 200k and above segment, maybe lesser in the sub 100k segment (for now).
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post May 16 2024, 04:11 PM

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Apparently no waiting period for most if not all Honda vehicles. Book today can get car tomorrow or next week. biggrin.gif
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post May 16 2024, 05:02 PM

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I thought still long waiting time for Honda CR-V
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post May 16 2024, 05:06 PM

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Not true that EVs are making a dent on vehicle sales. BYD is giving out massive discounts up to Rm30k for its Atto and that will explain the current situation of EVs right now in Malaysia.
Honda is experiencing slowdown in sales because of market slow down and stagnatation.
Well Honda have been enjoying excellent sales since MCO ended. Its pretty normal for it to slowdown now.

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post May 16 2024, 07:16 PM

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https://worldofbuzz.com/study-malaysia-has-...southeast-asia/

The answer is somewhat here.....
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MAA expects a 7.5% decline in total vehicle sales in 2024 in Malaysia due to concerns over targeted subsidy rationalisation, high cost of living and higher tax rates.

However, the association expects sales of hybrid and electric vehicles (EVs) to grow this year.
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post May 16 2024, 09:09 PM

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Due to government incompetence.

1. The EV road tax issue remains unresolved.
2. While we know that subsidy rationalisation will be implemented, the mechanism and eligibility criteria via PADU are still unclear.

People are hesitant to make significant long-term purchases because it is uncertain how subsidy rationalisation will affect our already high cost of living relative to our salaries.
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post May 17 2024, 08:02 AM

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Automotive industry is evolution now. The ICE has been dominated the market couple of hudreds of years and now it is moving from ICE to EV. The ultimate vehicle in next 50 years is self-driving mobile and the energy definitely be sourced from electric instead of fossil fuel.

China in the past was producing cheap and low quality ICE but in recent decade they prove to the world they are improving and evolving especially in EV. When most people talk about EV, they are either thinking Telsa or Chinese EV. Tesla sales was over the world long time ago and Chinese EVs are only recently exporting to overseas countries. We will see greater impact sooner in our country too. We should take it positively because Chinese is producing affordable ICE and EV compare to any other foreign carmaker.
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post May 17 2024, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ May 16 2024, 09:09 PM)
Due to government incompetence.

1. The EV road tax issue remains unresolved.
2. While we know that subsidy rationalisation will be implemented, the mechanism and eligibility criteria via PADU are still unclear.

People are hesitant to make significant long-term purchases because it is uncertain how subsidy rationalisation will affect our already high cost of living relative to our salaries.
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If Malaysia government is that bad, how come...

https://www.businesstoday.com.my/2024/05/15...st-auto-market/

We can overtake Thailand to become 2nd largest auto market ?


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Nikkei Asia compiled sales data released by industry groups in those three countries (Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia) plus the Philippines and Vietnam and found that Malaysia’s sales figures, which had been third for a long time, topped Thailand’s for three consecutive quarters through January-March 2024.

According to the Malaysian Automotive Association, auto sales increased 5% in the first quarter from a year earlier to 202,245 vehicles. This followed an 11% increase in 2023 to a record 799,731 vehicles.

Sales tax exemptions for domestically produced vehicles — part of the government’s economic stimulus package — provided a tailwind for the national car brands Perodua and Proton, which held about 60% of the market share.

The tax exemptions started during the pandemic year of 2020, and although they ceased in mid-2022, the fulfillment of tax-free bookings continued to boost figures in 2023, according to the association. “Many new model launches including electric vehicles with very competitive prices helped to spur sales,” it said in a statement...

In contrast, sales in Thailand have been in a slump. Known as the “Detroit of Asia” due to its concentration on the automotive industry, Thailand had long held second place until sales fell 25% in the first quarter from a year earlier.

Thailand’s monthly auto sales have declined year-on-year starting last June due to increasing nonperforming auto loans and general stagnant consumption. The share of EVs is growing thanks to the entry of Chinese makers.

Indonesia also lacks momentum. Auto sales in the first quarter fell 24% from a year earlier as interest rates rose, leading consumers to hold back on purchases.

Sales in 2023 were just above 1 million vehicles, down 4% from 2022 and 30,000 fewer than in the pre-pandemic year of 2019, and falling short of the 1.05 million targeted by the Association of Indonesia Automotive Industries (Gaikindo).

Auto sales in Vietnam fell 16% in the first quarter. The domestic economy has been stagnant since last year due to sluggish exports and other factors, and auto sales continue to be double-digit percentages below the previous year’s level.


By not doing what other ASEAN countries are doing is what our government has been doing,

we did not raise interest rate,

https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/malays...nomists%20found.

We did not allow a free flow of all priced EVs like Thailand and Indonesia, by curbing and allowing only those priced above 100k to enter.


https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...-malaysia/81696

Because we still.give chance to 60% market holder in P1 and P2 to catch up. Even letting some room for other traditional ICE auto maker like Honda, Mazda, etc. to continue fighting with their ICE and hybrid before catching up.

AFAIK, above 100k to maybe 200k if not 150k is by default dubbed as mid income earner car market, many M40 or T20 still will still be shopping in this price segment . You may argue M40 also buy cars below 100k, but the effect is the same :THEY STILL BUY

That is why you read news like below:

https://www.wapcar.my/news/led-by-hr-v-city...n-q1-2023-79410

https://www.wapcar.my/news/thanks-to-bermaz...-in-asean-79333


And market share of EV only remain and stalled

https://www.wapcar.my/news/bevs-market-shar...s-removed-79382

The slower poke or only poking at the right place by our government turned out to works better than aggressive Thailand whom by the way is....

https://thediplomat.com/2023/11/thailand-an...ters%20reported.

... subsidising too much and want to reduce already.


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post May 17 2024, 02:29 PM

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expensive affected. low end didnt
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post May 17 2024, 02:33 PM

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and what to do with ev spot weld???
out of sudden
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post May 17 2024, 03:21 PM

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I will go for Tesla 100% instead of Accord.
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QUOTE(babisotong @ May 17 2024, 03:21 PM)
I will go for Tesla 100% instead of Accord.
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Do you know the irony

Back then in July 2023

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobile...ise-in-Malaysia

Shortly after....

https://www.piston.my/2023/08/10/honda-acco...ed-in-malaysia/
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post May 18 2024, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(autodriver @ May 17 2024, 08:02 AM)
Automotive industry is evolution now. The ICE has been dominated the market couple of hudreds of years and now it is moving from ICE to EV. The ultimate vehicle in next 50 years is self-driving mobile and the energy definitely be sourced from electric instead of fossil fuel.

China in the past was producing cheap and low quality ICE but in recent decade they prove to the world they are improving and evolving especially in EV. When most people talk about EV, they are either thinking Telsa or Chinese EV. Tesla sales was over the world long time ago and Chinese EVs are only recently exporting to overseas countries. We will see greater impact sooner in our country too. We should take it positively because Chinese is producing affordable ICE and EV compare to any other foreign carmaker.
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Survival for the fittest.

Your thought reminded me of this article I have read in linked in

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-survival...elson-cfa-jc5ef

Sharing it here for all

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post May 18 2024, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ May 16 2024, 05:06 PM)
Not true that EVs are making a dent on vehicle sales. BYD is giving out massive discounts up to Rm30k for its Atto and that will explain the current situation of EVs right now in Malaysia.
Honda is experiencing slowdown in sales because of market slow down and stagnatation.
Well Honda have been enjoying excellent sales since MCO ended. Its pretty normal for it to slowdown now.
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BYD's massive RM30k discount for Atto 3 is due to its previous pricing for Atto 3 prior the arrival of Seal was too illogical (too little price difference between Atto 3 and Seal).
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post May 18 2024, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(HotshotS @ May 18 2024, 12:48 PM)
BYD's massive RM30k discount for Atto 3 is due to its previous pricing for Atto 3 prior the arrival of Seal was too illogical (too little price difference between Atto 3 and Seal).
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and was for old 2023 stock...

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post May 18 2024, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(HotshotS @ May 18 2024, 12:48 PM)
BYD's massive RM30k discount for Atto 3 is due to its previous pricing for Atto 3 prior the arrival of Seal was too illogical (too little price difference between Atto 3 and Seal).
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QUOTE(dwRK @ May 18 2024, 01:30 PM)
and was for old 2023 stock...
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That shows the kind of margins Manufacturers have for EVs. Anyway, the massive discount is for 2024 year made models and they are phasing it out soon to make way for the new facelift version.
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ May 18 2024, 03:17 PM)
That shows the kind of margins Manufacturers have for EVs. Anyway, the massive discount is for 2024 year made models and they are phasing it out soon to make way for the new facelift version.
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i recall discount started with old MY 2023... no surprise if they also want to clear MY 2024 stock for new facelift...

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ May 16 2024, 04:11 PM)
Apparently no waiting period for most if not all Honda vehicles. Book today can get car tomorrow or next week.  biggrin.gif
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Bro I wish this were true for CR-V sad.gif
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post May 19 2024, 10:46 AM

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Once Tesla goes bust, no one will touch any EV from any maker

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