PETALING JAYA: Following a drop in medical graduates, the number of housemen at the Health Ministry has dwindled by 50% since 2019.

The decline has also caused a maldistribution of housemen in various government hospitals that offer housemanship.

According to data from the ministry’s Human Resources Division sighted by The Star, there were 6,134 housemen in 2019, followed by 4,934 in 2020, 4,173 (2021), 3,245 (2022) and 3,271 (2023).

Similarly, the provisional registration of medical graduates with the Malaysian Medical Council (MMC) also dropped by half.

In 2017, there were 6,147 medical graduates with a provisional registration, followed by 5,867 in 2018, 4,999 (2019), 5,218 (2020), 3,867 (2021) and 3,131 (2022).

These include graduates of local private and public universities, as well as graduates from medical schools abroad.

Provisional registration allows newly-qualified doctors to undertake the general clinical training needed for full registration under the Medical Act 1971.

The number of medical graduates from local universities had also declined between 2017 and 2021.

In 2017, local universities produced 3,902 medical graduates, followed by 4,209 in 2018, 3,427 (2019), 3,202 (2020) and 2,667 (2021).

Health Minister Datuk Seri Dr Dzulkefly Ahmad had acknowledged in a post on X on April 26 that there is a shortage of housemen.

“There was a time where there were 6,000-7,000 medical graduates a year.

“Now, we have a little over 3,000, which has led to fewer housemen at hospitals.

“In fact, those who are working are feeling the burden due to the workload and manpower shortage,” Dzulkefly said.

He added that he had ordered the ministry’s top leadership at both the federal and state levels to look into the manpower situation at hospitals.

If required, the placement and duties of housemen will be re-evaluated, he said.

He said the ministry’s top management would closely monitor the situation and were cognisant of the workload of healthcare workers.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2024...half-since-2019

still, ”closely monitor..."

kkm singgit

It means they don't have a solution yet

Mana kerajaan Madonna?

i saw nurse marah housemen like a puppy before

Well, if you're from UKM or UM, why bother working here when can get a place easily in SG. Better work life, spending power and only have to deal with a few annoying people.

Many MO from these two also moving to SG, because better than getting thrown to some ulu place.

I thought we have too many doctors that's why can't give them permanent post. Now too little pulak.

Country really gone to the dogs after GE14.

Firstly lack of nurses. Then lack of new doctors.

During Jibby times, got quite a few people attack his govt for producing too many doctors.

Erm, sorry to say this problem existing since bijan era and they introducing contractual post for doctor.

Eh... do you know why Jibby govt give contractual post to doctors?

To absorb the "too many doctors" problem. Last time during Jibby time, we had too many doctors.

Not too few doctors problem now.

You didn't see the numbers given by the article?

In 2017, there were 6,147 medical graduates with a provisional registration, followed by 5,867 in 2018, 4,999 (2019), 5,218 (2020), 3,867 (2021) and 3,131 (2022).

Is 3,131 bigger than 6,147 in 2017?

Read this article in 2019

Too Many Doctors, Too Few Jobs
https://codeblue.galencentre.org/2019/11/26...s-too-few-jobs/

Last time kasik contract position only. Gaji ciput. Working hours panjang giler.

Siapa la nak jadi doctor here. Lagi lagi kena poach by Singapore

not too much doctor, is dont have enough competent doctor and fking long hours of work. dont understand the need for on call 48 hours straight policy at all. if too much doctor let they rotate properly la the shift hour.

what kind of solution do u expect them to come out with?
there is no solution
force people to study medicine?

for the same amount of money, better study law or just get your pilots license

This post has been edited by MR_alien: May 7 2024, 09:36 AM

To root problem is poor management of human resource. Too much medical graduates because chroni in government receive under-table money and simply approve recognition for medical schools. When there were too much of medical graduates they introduced contract system which pissed off new doctors. Doctors resigned to private practice and now they are short of doctors again.
They said too much house officers and medical officers in service but waiting time in hospital is still shit.

Jadi doctor is a passion
Mana ada work life balance

Salah
It means they no money

covid actually changed a lot of things
it changed people's perspective toward being in the medical industry completely

it's no longer a get rich in one generation profession anymore

36 hours straight working hours or every other day oncall is no longer practiced in countries with mature healthcare system. Instead of incompetent doctors, I see incompetent ministers, and our country is too poor to hire new doctors though house officers’ salary is merely 4000+ nowadays.

root cause is doctors themselve cant manage the whole sector in KKM. they fighting to becoming managers in office aircond room.. but bende simple like parallel pathway pun xboleh settle.

May be can open up the post to bangla loktor, offering them RM3k.

Means what ?

No more dedak after GE14?

Inb4 my ambition is to become a doctor

But no money then bye bye

Gov should do some reform, increased the prices and hire more permanent doctors with higher pay. Kesian those doctors working like cow but pay like ciput

good lah
kan edi said before tadak mani to gib permanent position, so apa pasal mau kecoh?

biology, especially medical science should just dai in meleisial bcos only got very few use here
import je bangla when want, setel
kek

it was incompetent in the beginning then now shortage. raise the god damn rm1 fee already. not sustainable with the raising price of pills and medicine and lifestyle of the ppl abusing the healthcare system.

bangla don't even work more than the contracted hours for malaysian employers

2057 - # of housemen drops to just 14 people in total.
KKM - we are closely monitoring the situation.

Kkm singgit je

For context, HO in SG work from around 6:30-7 a.m. to 5 p.m. and on calls are till the next day afternoon. They do have some free time over the weekends after the rounds or even some weekends totally off. On top of that, quite easy to get leave approved, in fact they actually force you to plan your leave earlier.

A Malaysian HO on the other hand, gets scolded because he legitimately took MC for a legitimate fever. You are also required to put in a lot of unpaid extra hours both weekdays and weekends.

Also as a HO, seems like suggesting ways to improve to your superiors is a huge no no. The Malaysian system has killed off passionate Drs for mediocrity.

No problem. Can import more contract doctors from Myanmar. They got more experience with dead bodies then Malaysian. With a cheaper pay

This post has been edited by zairee2580: May 7 2024, 12:54 PM

36 hours? 48hours to 72 hours straight working hours pun masih ada di Malaysia... Seriously... work like zombie...

Main turn off is the bullying culture

They insist on keeping that toxic bullying culture to their junior instead of breaking off the cycle

Many also finish studying medic and graduated but quit houseman. Never students will pick move life balance medical field like pharmacist and dentistry

One way or another rm1 hospital bill end sooner or later, we are going to have expensive healthcare cost like in USA in the future

This post has been edited by Imp Bron: May 7 2024, 01:04 PM

hehehe soon malaysia hab to import doctors from overseas

so many of them left malaysia due to b40 pay and crazy working hours

also politics like crazy within the hospital

Never ending story with medical grads and housemen...

I’m no longer in government service, therefore I don’t know the existence of 48-72 straight working hours. If this is true, then it is understandable why house officers resign.

last time they say oversupply right? tetiba lacking pulak?

they want ho, which is basically a slave to do all the work with little pay

permanent post issue is different, but im sure it has discouraged many to do medicine here, or to come back if they do it abroad

there are so many presumably scholarship students working in the nhs, every time i go clinic in uk there is at least one Malaysian doctor and one pinoy nurse

Dah lama bagi warning

It's a no brainer that money is necessary for survival.
If everyone passionate is ok without money then world will be an empty place bcoz people will be dying of hunger

It's easier to be richer in other ways than to be a doctor

Doctor work 36 hrs then go home rest then study some more if u put that same number of hours to doing something like a business... there's a high chance that you could make more than a doctor.

In fact u see those doctors who choose to go the businessman route will usually make more than those who stick to the traditional doctor route.



This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: May 7 2024, 04:23 PM

realy need to sacrifice to b dr now days, never ending certification..hope those dr is has the passion to help ppl now bcoz i can

penat lawan dinosaur bodoh dalam KKM ni.

36 hours straight at a rate of rm9/Hour. Baik OT kat starbucks je. No important clinical decision making risking patient's life for rm9/Hour

Last time oversupply, probably a lot of people change their mind and did not take up medical anymore.

The pandemic probably scared off a lot of people too.

At the same time, the issue of underpaid and overworked doctors when there was oversupply until today is not settled yet.

The government don't have the money to absorb so many doctors. So, whoever around need to overwork and underpaid.

So, a lot after having some experience go to private practise or overseas.

The only solution I see which will work long term is increase the price of government hospitals.

Imagine increasing RM1 to RM10 already government hospitals can earn 10 times more.

However, how many Malaysians are willing to pay more? If they increase, sure Madani will get criticised for zalim.

It was never oversupplied. IF oversupplied, doctors wouldnt work 36hours shift.


It was lack of permanent post , which at the time tak pernah bertambah despite more new hospitals, huge increase in number of patients.

Heheheh wait till u get sued few mil bcoz u made a life altering decision after 30 plus hours of no sleep..

When even lay people who drive car can microsleep and crash car despite 8 hiurs of sleep at night...

but then they can judge you for an error you make after 30 plus hours no sleep.

It's funny how people expect doctors to be superhuman and get little pay, but when they do 9 to 5 job they expect to be paid 20k lol

This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: May 7 2024, 04:29 PM

Depopz agenda is real mang.

Now u want good medical service, u need to pay for it.

Private medical fees all shoot up real high.....

A lot will mati katak.

The Malaysian Medical Association said there was an oversupply of medical graduates, with more than 22,000 doctors on contract with the government since 2016

https://eduspiral.com/2022/01/03/malaysian-...ical-graduates/

The problem is the government don't have the capacity to absorb all and even with new hospitals and increase in number of patients, they can't take as they don't have the money.

Like I say before, you increase the government hospital fees from RM1 to RM10 only, government hospitals will be able to earn 10 times more. With higher earnings. they can take in more doctors and offer them permanent positions.

It will also probably reduce the number of patients too because today the fees are so cheap and people just go government hospitals to get cheap drugs. Why spend money to buy panadol when you can get it in government hospital cheaply.

This post has been edited by 30624770: May 7 2024, 04:36 PM

People tell doctors their job is just normal job why need special consideration
" what so special bout doctors, why need to have special incentive or whatever.. its just a job.. why need permanent? Other jobs also kontrak what. Pther jobs also dun need what masters schlarship , want to study then pay la "
" don't want work then others plenty coming in"

Then when doctors treat their jobs like normal jobs....
" wah why doctors nowadays no heart and passion ah... ask them put in extra hours to learn with no pay, then they don't wanna do alrdy... why? This job not like other jobs ok, if no passion then don't do it"
" wah why nowadays see doctor getting more expensive ( beech pls it's not, cut hair even more expensive than consultation fee) , why doctors so money minded, they think this is like other business ah, wanna earn money then don't become doctor. I deserve to see GP for rm30 while I as a hairstylist deserve to be paid rm200 for a haircut because im a director"
" wah nowadays strawberry gen la, why people can't take 36 hour work ? I see other people in other industries also doing the same ( haha) "

Eh make up your mind pls beetch

This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: May 7 2024, 04:41 PM

I heard these OT claims..many are not honoured too... claim liao, wait for 1 year pun xdpt lagi

Masalah jibby ni....
Medicine study take around 5 years

2017 excess doctor graduate mean over intake in 2012
2022 insufficient doctor graduate mean over reduced intake in 2017

Another jibby legacy ni. Poor planning management

A lot of doctors are already T10 or T5. Even here we have some representatives already....

what a funny government or kkm
before this complaining to many houseman
dont have enough money to employ more houseman
despite the waiting time in kkm hospitals/clinics getting worse
now not enough houseman?
can we have these candidate for director of kkm to contest using hospital simulator video game first?

dont mix up private and gov doctors

doesn't mean anything I can say lots of ppl in other industries are t1, the top 100 richest ppl in msia aren't doctors or if they're doctors they are doing business. One of the richest doctors from msia got rich by doing casino business in Cambodia lol

A lot of gp get paid 10 to 15k only and that's their ceiling.

meanwhile ktards can go up to 20 30k...

This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: May 7 2024, 04:47 PM

So the point is, they are fat and rich.

So they shud ask themselves why are they doing this?

Mind you, the service given by them can often be pretty lousy (for what you pay)....

housemanship still require to conduct solely under government hospital now? or private hospital also allow?

Maybe you can try going to Singapore or USA then, maybe they offer better service

Perhaps don't look at the bill though.

That's why la, many will mati katak.

Confirm.

But Indonesians say the money paid to see msian doctor is worth it though ...

Gov. Now we are so lacking, only state hospital ada houseman

how much should the base salary for UD41 MO get? what is the acceptable amount?

Better become pharmacist. Same pay less stress. See the amoi pharmacist /k got share before so syok can enjoy life