Tadika Brainy Bunch tidak bayar KWSP pekerja
Tadika Brainy Bunch tidak bayar KWSP pekerja
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May 6 2024, 08:45 AM, updated 2y ago
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May 6 2024, 08:46 AM
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BB want to follow Pasti footsteps?
say they do work because of kebajikan? why religious kindies always machiem ni? |
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May 6 2024, 08:48 AM
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May 6 2024, 08:50 AM
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Work to get pahala, not duniawi 👀 max_cavalera, StorMx, and 4 others liked this post
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May 6 2024, 08:51 AM
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any business related to directly managing /handing children, bosses please treat your workers justly. Otherwise they might vent out at the kids . twosocks and krishtiano86 liked this post
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May 6 2024, 08:51 AM
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Any thing that add religion.....
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May 6 2024, 08:54 AM
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ May 6 2024, 08:46 AM) BB want to follow Pasti footsteps? Should change name to Bahbee Betul (BB).say they do work because of kebajikan? why religious kindies always machiem ni? coyouth liked this post
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May 6 2024, 08:55 AM
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Brainy Bunch very popular and lots of branches. I thought they are doing very well and they started Malakat Mall in Cyberjaya?
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May 6 2024, 08:55 AM
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International islamic montessori..
Its all about akhirat remember? Dunia hanya sementara..KWSP hanya harta duniawi... This post has been edited by Rorschach85: May 6 2024, 08:56 AM |
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May 6 2024, 08:56 AM
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So boikot or not
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May 6 2024, 08:58 AM
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Anggap sedekah untuk saham akhirat.
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May 6 2024, 08:59 AM
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is it even a legit business to begin with?
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May 6 2024, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE(Rorschach85 @ May 6 2024, 08:55 AM) International islamic montessori.. montessori education can relate to religion education?Its all about akhirat remember? Dunia hanya sementara..KWSP hanya harta duniawi... because from what I know, montessori is about giving the child freedom to determine his/her decisions. how you gonna do that with religious education? |
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May 6 2024, 09:05 AM
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tunggang, jangan tak tunggang
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May 6 2024, 09:05 AM
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so need boikot?
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May 6 2024, 09:06 AM
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i tot brainless bunch Optizorb, lagenda110, and 2 others liked this post
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May 6 2024, 09:13 AM
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May 6 2024, 09:17 AM
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Govt usually don't play around with non payment of EPF This can't be happening for years without the owner already being fined. Unless he already fined and still stalling epf contribution which is quite yolo for a biz owner Phoenix_KL and GravityFi3ld liked this post
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May 6 2024, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ May 6 2024, 10:01 AM) montessori education can relate to religion education? These days, just throw in religious flavor and alot will like it.because from what I know, montessori is about giving the child freedom to determine his/her decisions. how you gonna do that with religious education? |
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May 6 2024, 09:25 AM
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Nak duit ke pahala
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May 6 2024, 09:27 AM
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Sometimes, employer ask upfront, kwsp u wan or dont want
U can take upfront since you need the money so much... Lot employees rather take everything in cash, nothing to do with hak I am not saying is right, some employee ask for the money n dont wan it to be in kwsp This post has been edited by taitianhin: May 6 2024, 09:28 AM |
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May 6 2024, 09:27 AM
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Bayar epf all tak penting for them, Tunggang je yang penting.
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May 6 2024, 09:29 AM
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May 6 2024, 09:31 AM
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saya ada kuda, kuda saya namanya 'agama'
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May 6 2024, 09:33 AM
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May 6 2024, 09:33 AM
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May 6 2024, 09:33 AM
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the owners are such a brainy bunch to not pay the kwsp and save money
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May 6 2024, 09:35 AM
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lul qm juga dapat taik.
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May 6 2024, 09:37 AM
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my company offer me 15% their side but my side 11%..
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May 6 2024, 09:38 AM
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kalau tak tipu bukanla ciiiiiiiiii.............
eh eh eh? kompuis |
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May 6 2024, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE(9m2w @ May 6 2024, 10:17 AM) Govt usually don't play around with non payment of EPF Yups, usually they will take immediate action in investigating.This can't be happening for years without the owner already being fined. Unless he already fined and still stalling epf contribution which is quite yolo for a biz owner |
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May 6 2024, 09:43 AM
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when i saw how to owner of malaikat mall trying to tunggang agama to save the mall, i confirm know he is a sleazy ass lowlife.
looks like he does the same for his tadikas also. for some weird reason, many malays think this is the chinese style of doing business. Probably because they are fed propoganda for too long. For any business to survive, everyone must untung. Otherwise sure die one. |
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May 6 2024, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(yhtan @ May 6 2024, 09:33 AM) Hmmm. Is he Mamak? |
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May 6 2024, 09:47 AM
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May 6 2024, 09:49 AM
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when you start to tunggang agama... bisnes mesti tak lama.
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May 6 2024, 09:52 AM
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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ May 6 2024, 09:43 AM) when i saw how to owner of malaikat mall trying to tunggang agama to save the mall, i confirm know he is a sleazy ass lowlife. wah this guy own malaikat mall and brainy bunch, so kaya nilooks like he does the same for his tadikas also. for some weird reason, many malays think this is the chinese style of doing business. Probably because they are fed propoganda for too long. For any business to survive, everyone must untung. Otherwise sure die one. |
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May 6 2024, 09:53 AM
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walaun n ulamak talak pigi tolong n condemn ka? iaya, kasi halal masuk better place more important. shuib sipatu talak bayar oso happily walking n makaning around.
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May 6 2024, 09:54 AM
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May 6 2024, 09:55 AM
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Duit epf tak masuk, report epf la. Report polis and pej buruh for whattt
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May 6 2024, 09:56 AM
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May 6 2024, 10:04 AM
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May 6 2024, 10:16 AM
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Brainy bunch had been doing well and I guess he had been making a lot of money from there. The problem is that a lot of his other businesses are hardly making money, loosing tonnes of money actually like Malakat Mall which he had been struggling to pay it off to the banks. Guessing he had been using the monies from Brainy Bunch to cover up those loans
QUOTE “Kami menyeru semua rakyat Malaysia terutamanya orang kita untuk bangkit membeli saham minima satu lot (100 unit) Serba Dinamik Holdings Berhad (Serba Dinamik),” kata Pengasas Kumpulan Malakat Mall, Fadzil Hashim. Sauce How much did he loose from here do you think? |
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May 6 2024, 10:27 AM
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bertahun no bayar? kenapa x repot?
for me, max i give 2 months, if still no pay i'll repot d |
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May 6 2024, 10:30 AM
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QUOTE(Rorschach85 @ May 6 2024, 08:55 AM) International islamic montessori.. Wah this the kindy that was started by the former CEO of Proton, after he left Proton?the specky guy?Its all about akhirat remember? Dunia hanya sementara..KWSP hanya harta duniawi... This post has been edited by fongsk26: May 6 2024, 10:30 AM |
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May 6 2024, 10:33 AM
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their epf money is not in kwsp but in heaven so dont complain much... life is temporary, what matter most is afterlife.. keep moving on, gambate!!
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May 6 2024, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE(KevProp @ May 6 2024, 10:27 AM) I guess they didnt check EPF account.Interviewer say payslip got tolak, tapi tak da bayar. Memang cibai employer ni regarding the races. Easily accumulate hundred of thousand if you have more than 20staff working under for a month. |
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QUOTE(rads78 @ May 6 2024, 10:16 AM) Brainy bunch had been doing well and I guess he had been making a lot of money from there. The problem is that a lot of his other businesses are hardly making money, loosing tonnes of money actually like Malakat Mall which he had been struggling to pay it off to the banks. Guessing he had been using the monies from Brainy Bunch to cover up those loans i highly doubt he bought anySauce How much did he loose from here do you think? |
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May 6 2024, 10:47 AM
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I can understand the PASTI issue (not giving them approval of avoiding the EPF contribution) because they are charging lower rate of the annual and monthly fees for the student.
But the brainy bunch is expensive, it the same or at least a bit more expensive than Little Caliph |
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May 6 2024, 10:50 AM
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I remember they have attraction inside Kidzania some time back.
Every time I go Kidzania with my kids, always see their attraction nobody patronize 1... |
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May 6 2024, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(9m2w @ May 6 2024, 09:17 AM) Govt usually don't play around with non payment of EPF Yup last year my finance admin forgot to pay 1 month, KWSP kept calling me till we settled macam ahlong. So i really don't understand how can till years never pay, last time Myairline also 6 months didn't pay. This can't be happening for years without the owner already being fined. Unless he already fined and still stalling epf contribution which is quite yolo for a biz owner Bigger question is got staff so dumb till stay in that company if it doesn't pay KWSP? |
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May 6 2024, 10:58 AM
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Impossible not to pay EPF. Late 1 day already come chasing.
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May 6 2024, 11:00 AM
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Why report at labour office & police? I thought if go straight to EPF very fast they'll come cracking down on employer.
Also QM kek. Sudah lebur already. |
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May 6 2024, 11:00 AM
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May 6 2024, 11:00 AM
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How?
Tarak check epf statement ka korang? |
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May 6 2024, 11:06 AM
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This already long standing issue.
CEO even created an Reddit account to confirm they delayed EPF payment. https://www.reddit.com/user/coachfadzil/ |
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May 6 2024, 11:11 AM
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Omg
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May 6 2024, 11:13 AM
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just curious many melei companies no pay/slow epf?
i pendatang cina boss, every month 1st sure pay epf zhunz zhunz |
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ May 6 2024, 11:06 AM) This already long standing issue. during covid can understand, yuran also got discount.CEO even created an Reddit account to confirm they delayed EPF payment. now yuran full amount yo. annual fee also full amount. quick google = total student population of over 6,000 annual fee is RM1200 and RM1800 IF, just calculate RM1500, and "only" 3k people paid, thats already RM4.5 million mana duit semua pergi? add source: https://www.brainybunch.com/fees-structure This post has been edited by erry-: May 6 2024, 11:19 AM |
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QUOTE(taitianhin @ May 6 2024, 09:27 AM) Sometimes, employer ask upfront, kwsp u wan or dont want I heard that this mostly happen with Malay, heard je lah...U can take upfront since you need the money so much... Lot employees rather take everything in cash, nothing to do with hak I am not saying is right, some employee ask for the money n dont wan it to be in kwsp |
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May 6 2024, 11:18 AM
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May 6 2024, 11:19 AM
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Is this the school that promote quantum metal?
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May 6 2024, 11:25 AM
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Ni , bila mau boikot
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May 6 2024, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(erry- @ May 6 2024, 11:15 AM) during covid can understand, yuran also got discount. Lower primary annual fee is RM 5K and slowly goes up depending on the yearnow yuran full amount yo. annual fee also full amount. quick google = total student population of over 6,000 annual fee is RM1200 and RM1800 IF, just calculate RM1500, and "only" 3k people paid, thats already RM4.5 million mana duit semua pergi? add source: https://www.brainybunch.com/fees-structure |
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May 6 2024, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE(9m2w @ May 6 2024, 09:17 AM) Govt usually don't play around with non payment of EPF makes me think many of them don't even bother to report it to authority. Just sembang kencang on socmed then find new job. This can't be happening for years without the owner already being fined. Unless he already fined and still stalling epf contribution which is quite yolo for a biz owner 100% of my friend who know about business will say the last thing u want is fucking around with EPF. You will end up in jail. |
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May 6 2024, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ May 6 2024, 11:06 AM) This already long standing issue. lol..that kind of mindset really wtf based on the comment. CEO even created an Reddit account to confirm they delayed EPF payment. https://www.reddit.com/user/coachfadzil/ |
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May 6 2024, 12:04 PM
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lol
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May 6 2024, 12:08 PM
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lol.
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May 6 2024, 12:12 PM
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i wrongfully calculated epf pay less rm30 to one staff also epf came to my shop and chase me, how did this guy avoid paying for so long?
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May 6 2024, 12:13 PM
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May 6 2024, 12:17 PM
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May 6 2024, 12:17 PM
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owner BB apa bangsa?
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May 6 2024, 12:19 PM
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I am surprised that the workers never do their own checks to see if KWSP has been paid. lagenda110 liked this post
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May 6 2024, 12:20 PM
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At least cinapek boss will not do this.
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May 6 2024, 12:38 PM
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Bertahun...
Staff tak kan takda i-akaun? Boleh check kt situ... |
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May 6 2024, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE(9m2w @ May 6 2024, 09:17 AM) Govt usually don't play around with non payment of EPF according to the newsThis can't be happening for years without the owner already being fined. Unless he already fined and still stalling epf contribution which is quite yolo for a biz owner 3 years tarak bayar really got balls |
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May 6 2024, 12:42 PM
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Illegal to not pay kwsp, go report them.
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May 6 2024, 12:50 PM
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They go report polis or not. Report kat TikTok no use
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May 6 2024, 12:52 PM
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-Failed Brainy Bunch
-Failed Malakat Mall -Failed Raudhah City What else from this owner/scammer? |
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May 6 2024, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ May 6 2024, 11:06 AM) This already long standing issue. he tengah buat fb live to clarify EPF issueCEO even created an Reddit account to confirm they delayed EPF payment. https://www.reddit.com/user/coachfadzil/ |
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May 6 2024, 01:02 PM
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dont talk about akhirat that no one has ever set foot and see. it could be fairy tales. focus on duniawi first by working hard to get wat u want lagenda110 liked this post
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May 6 2024, 01:02 PM
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It's a special right, Bumi company no need to pay worker's EPF....
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May 6 2024, 01:05 PM
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4,358 posts Joined: Oct 2010 From: KL |
lol...now tahun 2024 dah, still talk about mco era.
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May 6 2024, 01:27 PM
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May 6 2024, 01:34 PM
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1,132 posts Joined: Jun 2015 |
QUOTE(erry- @ May 6 2024, 11:15 AM) during covid can understand, yuran also got discount. CEO: Ko ingat rental free? ko ingat gaji tak perlu bayar? ko ingat tak perlu bayar kanak2 aircond electric fee? now yuran full amount yo. annual fee also full amount. quick google = total student population of over 6,000 annual fee is RM1200 and RM1800 IF, just calculate RM1500, and "only" 3k people paid, thats already RM4.5 million mana duit semua pergi? add source: https://www.brainybunch.com/fees-structure Coach limited who can comment on this post. |
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May 6 2024, 01:34 PM
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9,050 posts Joined: Jan 2003 |
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May 6 2024, 01:36 PM
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290 posts Joined: Jul 2008 |
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May 6 2024, 01:37 PM
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290 posts Joined: Jul 2008 |
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May 6 2024, 01:42 PM
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42 posts Joined: Jun 2015 |
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May 6 2024, 02:02 PM
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2,323 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Smallville |
QUOTE(submergedx @ May 6 2024, 01:34 PM) CEO: Ko ingat rental free? ko ingat gaji tak perlu bayar? ko ingat tak perlu bayar kanak2 aircond electric fee? itu semua ... from MONTHLY fee.Coach limited who can comment on this post. i ask about ANNUAL fee. the first payment before can send the kids. the thing is, how come no carum KWSP can lepas? QUOTE(rads78 @ May 6 2024, 11:54 AM) seems the issue is only BB not getting their EPF. maybe management care the primary school teacher more? lol |
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May 6 2024, 02:04 PM
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1,863 posts Joined: Aug 2014 From: Soviet Sarawak - Dum Spiro Spero |
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May 6 2024, 02:11 PM
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Why still walking free?
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May 6 2024, 02:15 PM
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May 9 2024, 04:17 AM
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uhh EPF issue again ka?
topkek this penunggang agama.. malakat mall also his punya |
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May 9 2024, 04:44 AM
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5,741 posts Joined: Apr 2019 |
QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ May 6 2024, 12:40 PM) Bukan tak bayar, cuma bayar lambat. Jangan fitnah QUOTE(Optizorb @ May 9 2024, 04:17 AM) Kek. Now say pay late. Everything is tuhan. |
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May 9 2024, 04:49 AM
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421 posts Joined: Feb 2022 |
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May 9 2024, 05:15 AM
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774 posts Joined: Nov 2010 |
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May 9 2024, 05:45 AM
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May 9 2024, 06:24 AM
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May 9 2024, 06:58 AM
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935 posts Joined: Jul 2005 |
Mereka sulah manyak Briyani bunch .
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May 9 2024, 07:01 AM
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May 9 2024, 07:21 AM
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5,614 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Cyberjaya, Shah Alam, Ipoh |
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May 9 2024, 07:24 AM
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May 9 2024, 07:34 AM
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1,410 posts Joined: Dec 2009 From: Everywhere |
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May 9 2024, 07:43 AM
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May 9 2024, 07:56 AM
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QUOTE(Optizorb @ May 9 2024, 04:17 AM) Old Jan 2021 fb response, I think dah bayar la by now (2024)Kadang2 lambat, tapi pasti bayar post #1 tiktok macam recent. Confuiz 🤔 This post has been edited by jojolicia: May 9 2024, 08:09 AM |
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May 9 2024, 09:36 AM
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1,902 posts Joined: Sep 2012 |
QUOTE(DarkAeon @ May 9 2024, 05:15 AM) "Saya akan minta Peguam kami untuk.ambil tindakan." the RM300 LOD issued by loyar is quite effective to silent these plebs , to be honest> cakap takde duit bayar epf lambat > tapi suruh loyar ambik tindakan, x mahal ke? I have seen too many plebs fall for this trap. LOD saja. not even file case. not even masuk queue naik court yet. |
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May 9 2024, 09:53 AM
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delay bayar also can justify. delay till kiamat can?
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