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post May 4 2024, 12:22 PM, updated 2y ago

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AMD going to crush many of its competitor in PC Gaming

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Highest tier strix point APU faster than desktop 7600 perf, which surpass Laptop rtx4070...


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Steamdeck 2 delayed? nope. they waiting for this

Intel battlemagi, doa.

Laptop GPU market, Amd will eat alot

Desktop? same. SFF without GPU build.
cheaper, easier.
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post May 4 2024, 12:29 PM

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Wait real benchmark baru talk cock lar. Sekarang bukan zaman 2004 suka suka blow the hype.
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post May 4 2024, 12:33 PM

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If it can match something like 3060 pun long talk. But 4070 lul?
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QUOTE(0168257061 @ May 4 2024, 12:29 PM)
Wait real benchmark baru talk cock lar. Sekarang bukan zaman 2004 suka suka blow the hype.
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QUOTE(bahjan_2000 @ May 4 2024, 12:33 PM)
If it can match something like 3060 pun long talk. But 4070 lul?
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Probably 90% of the frame is AI generated hahaha
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post May 4 2024, 12:41 PM

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U sei sohai got reading comprehension?

Which part says surpassed laptop 4070?
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post May 4 2024, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(bahjan_2000 @ May 4 2024, 12:33 PM)
If it can match something like 3060 pun long talk. But 4070 lul?
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its a 2 die package. it is possible.
the thing that stopping for it to happen were memory bandwidth, which is something amd try to address .finally comsumer product embracing quad channel ddr for real.

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post May 4 2024, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(Baconateer @ May 4 2024, 12:41 PM)
U sei sohai got reading comprehension?

Which part says surpassed laptop 4070?
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10% slower already consider on par.
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post May 4 2024, 12:44 PM

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fake af, z1 extreme with 45watt power only comparable to gtx1060, now say this can be rtx4070 performance which is like 400% faster than z1 extreme?

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post May 4 2024, 12:48 PM

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AMD GPU division is a joke....serious....

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post May 4 2024, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 4 2024, 12:44 PM)
fake af, z1 extreme with 45watt power only comparable to gtx1060, now say this can be rtx4070 performance which is like 400% faster than z1 extreme?
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its more like 150w package for strix halo.
z1 extreme sucessor mostly will have 16CUs, at best probably 20CUs and it need to be monolithic die.
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post May 4 2024, 12:51 PM

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How many cuda cores?
Can run stable diffusion 3?
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post May 4 2024, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 4 2024, 12:44 PM)
fake af, z1 extreme with 45watt power only comparable to gtx1060, now say this can be rtx4070 performance which is like 400% faster than z1 extreme?
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mark for future #lynlaughingstock
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ May 4 2024, 12:51 PM)
How many cuda cores?
Can run stable diffusion 3?
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i guess maybe take 5min per image
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post May 4 2024, 12:57 PM

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looks like something on the pricey minisforum tiny pc. avg poorfag pc gamers can't even afford this.
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post May 4 2024, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ May 4 2024, 12:57 PM)
looks like something on the pricey minisforum tiny pc. avg poorfag pc gamers can't even afford this.
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depend what oem going to do with it. if amd price the product right, they may get more laptop market share out of nvidia.
but anyway this is just a product to response to apple m series.
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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 4 2024, 01:05 PM)
depend what oem going to do with it. if amd price the product right, they may get more laptop market share out of nvidia.
but anyway this is just a product to response to apple m series.
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I thought there's more profits in the steam deck clone market. They probably aiming for that
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post May 4 2024, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 4 2024, 01:05 PM)
depend what oem going to do with it. if amd price the product right, they may get more laptop market share out of nvidia.
but anyway this is just a product to response to apple m series.
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bingo.

soc with high power gpu


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post May 4 2024, 01:11 PM

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Cakap senang. Nvidia is not something u can beat in a matter of day or year.


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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ May 4 2024, 01:09 PM)
I thought there's more profits in the steam deck clone market. They probably aiming for that
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ya.

dont know why handheld suddenly resurrected
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ May 4 2024, 01:09 PM)
I thought there's more profits in the steam deck clone market. They probably aiming for that
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every design counts.
no one know how long x86 will stay relevant.
even china risc-v laptop announced recently are 30% faster single core than arm cortex a55 at 60-80% less power.
https://wccftech.com/chinese-startup-unveil...omestic-laptop/

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QUOTE(a13solut3 @ May 4 2024, 01:11 PM)
Cakap senang. Nvidia is not something u can beat in a matter of day or year.
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beaten already.

pc handheld = zero nvidia

console = zero nvidia


nvidia dont made good cpu is the problem
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post May 4 2024, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ May 4 2024, 01:12 PM)
beaten already.

pc handheld = zero nvidia

console = zero nvidia
nvidia dont made good cpu is the problem
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at least nintendo love them.
recent rumor said nvidia want nintendo to clock the switch2 chip high so it could give 4tflop so it didnt appear weak to the competition, but nintendo said no.
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post May 4 2024, 01:18 PM

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Hari2 say igpu can blow off GPU but nowhere to be seen. Same like apple silicon killer
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post May 4 2024, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(SourLemons @ May 4 2024, 01:18 PM)
Hari2 say igpu can blow off GPU but nowhere to be seen. Same like apple silicon killer
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bodo

igpu and gpu is the same product

how i3 can beat same gen i9???

iGPU always a tuned down ver.
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post May 4 2024, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ May 4 2024, 01:12 PM)
beaten already.

pc handheld = zero nvidia

console = zero nvidia
nvidia dont made good cpu is the problem
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nvidia caters to real pc master race. high res high refresh rate gaming is what we need.

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post May 4 2024, 01:23 PM

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Later us sanctions Malaysia then intel, Nvidia, AMD semua pun tak dapat , later gt1030 become RM 10k per piece in Malaysia 😂😂
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ May 4 2024, 01:21 PM)
nvidia caters to real pc master race. high res high refresh rate gaming is what we need.

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Nvidia bring their gpu out side gaming world

medical
industrial
labs
automobil

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ May 4 2024, 01:12 PM)
beaten already.

pc handheld = zero nvidia

console = zero nvidia
nvidia dont made good cpu is the problem
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Nintendo switch is using Nvidia tegra sei sohai

The nxt switch will also most likely be using Nvidia

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post May 4 2024, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 4 2024, 12:44 PM)
fake af, z1 extreme with 45watt power only comparable to gtx1060, now say this can be rtx4070 performance which is like 400% faster than z1 extreme?
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Bruh
Igpu matching 1050 pun already pipedream once upon a time.
Matching 1060 is already big at it is.

Matching 4070 is a big claim but seeing how amd managed to achieve something once thought impossible, i would give them benefit of the doubt.

We already know it's not about processing power nor is it it about power consumption/efficiency issue, it's always been a bandwidth problem, seeing how m1 and consoles do it.

Maybe quad channel ddr5 or even ddr6 if amd managed to rush it could solve bandwidth issue.
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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 4 2024, 12:42 PM)
its a 2 die package. it is possible.
the thing that stopping for it to happen were memory bandwidth, which is something amd try to address .finally comsumer product embracing  quad channel ddr for real.

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calculation of memory bandwidth seems wrong. 256bit of 8533 memory is 273GB/s not 500.

on paper it should be around the performance of 7600xt, since total 150/175w also caters to the zen cores too unlike the discrete 7600xt can use as much power it wants. Similar memory bandwidth too.

EDIT: my mistake i only saw rtx4070 laptop and not desktop, no way it is faster than rtx4070 desktop, laptop can be close

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ May 4 2024, 12:54 PM)
mark for future #lynlaughingstock
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misleading title, you wrote rtx4070 but didn't specify rtx4070 laptop
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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 4 2024, 02:42 PM)
calculation of memory bandwidth seems wrong. 256bit of 8533 memory is 273GB/s not 500.

on paper it should be around the performance of 7600xt, since total 150/175w also caters to the zen cores too unlike the discrete 7600xt can use as much power it wants. Similar memory bandwidth too.

EDIT: my mistake i only saw rtx4070 laptop and not desktop, no way it is faster than rtx4070 desktop, laptop can be close
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effective bandwidth, thats including cache too.
there are probably ipc increase and clock uplift on rdna3.5. yup they are targeting mobile variant of rtx4070 which pretty much closer to rtx4060ti level.
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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 4 2024, 03:07 PM)
effective bandwidth, thats including cache too.
there are probably ipc increase and clock uplift on rdna3.5. yup they are targeting mobile variant of rtx4070 which pretty much closer to rtx4060ti level.
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isn't effecttive bandwidth already written there, the 8533MT/s.
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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 4 2024, 03:09 PM)
isn't effecttive bandwidth already written there, the 8533MT/s.
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thats ddr speed.
the reason why you could see 7800x3d yield great number of fps even with ddr5 6000. big cache do helps alot

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post May 4 2024, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 4 2024, 03:12 PM)
thats ddr speed.
the reason why you could see 7800x3d yield great number of fps even with ddr5 6000. big cache do helps alot
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every gpu has it's own cache. the thing that matters is the memory bandwidth the most, unless you are using like 192-256MB of big size caches. iinm amd already has big caches and it still didn't give huge fps advantages over nvidia on comparable segment
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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 4 2024, 03:17 PM)
every gpu has it's own cache. the thing that matters is the memory bandwidth the most, unless you are using like 192-256MB of big size caches. iinm amd already has big caches and it still didn't give huge fps advantages over nvidia on comparable segment
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do remember that amd dont have access to gdddr6x, thats why they need to compensate to big cache. nvidia high end chip also have big chungus cache, so their advantage become larger plus superior compression tenchique too.
32mb l3 is a decent amount for those 200mm soc, they didnt tell if l2 cache got increase or not.

anyway its a compromised product but if amd charge their client low, then thats a decent product, you can cut product cost because no need to purchase gddr module, more vrm, chokes and capacitors and simplified cooling system.

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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 4 2024, 03:26 PM)
do remember that amd dont have access to gdddr6x, thats why they need to compensate to big cache. nvidia high end chip also have big chungus cache, so their advantage become larger plus superior compression tenchique too.
32mb l3 is a decent amount for those 200mm soc, they didnt tell if l2 cache got increase or not.

anyway its a compromised product but if amd charge their client low, then thats a decent product, you can cut product cost because no need to purchase gddr module, more vrm, chokes and capacitors and simplified cooling system.
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