QUOTE(a13solut3 @ May 4 2024, 01:11 PM)
beaten already.pc handheld = zero nvidia
console = zero nvidia
nvidia dont made good cpu is the problem
RTX4070 perf.. but iGPU
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ May 4 2024, 01:12 PM) beaten already. at least nintendo love them.pc handheld = zero nvidia console = zero nvidia nvidia dont made good cpu is the problem recent rumor said nvidia want nintendo to clock the switch2 chip high so it could give 4tflop so it didnt appear weak to the competition, but nintendo said no. ifourtos liked this post
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Hari2 say igpu can blow off GPU but nowhere to be seen. Same like apple silicon killer
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ May 4 2024, 01:12 PM) beaten already. nvidia caters to real pc master race. high res high refresh rate gaming is what we need.pc handheld = zero nvidia console = zero nvidia nvidia dont made good cpu is the problem ![]() ifourtos liked this post
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Later us sanctions Malaysia then intel, Nvidia, AMD semua pun tak dapat , later gt1030 become RM 10k per piece in Malaysia 😂😂
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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 4 2024, 12:44 PM) fake af, z1 extreme with 45watt power only comparable to gtx1060, now say this can be rtx4070 performance which is like 400% faster than z1 extreme? BruhIgpu matching 1050 pun already pipedream once upon a time. Matching 1060 is already big at it is. Matching 4070 is a big claim but seeing how amd managed to achieve something once thought impossible, i would give them benefit of the doubt. We already know it's not about processing power nor is it it about power consumption/efficiency issue, it's always been a bandwidth problem, seeing how m1 and consoles do it. Maybe quad channel ddr5 or even ddr6 if amd managed to rush it could solve bandwidth issue. |
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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 4 2024, 12:42 PM) its a 2 die package. it is possible. calculation of memory bandwidth seems wrong. 256bit of 8533 memory is 273GB/s not 500.the thing that stopping for it to happen were memory bandwidth, which is something amd try to address .finally comsumer product embracing quad channel ddr for real. ![]() on paper it should be around the performance of 7600xt, since total 150/175w also caters to the zen cores too unlike the discrete 7600xt can use as much power it wants. Similar memory bandwidth too. EDIT: my mistake i only saw rtx4070 laptop and not desktop, no way it is faster than rtx4070 desktop, laptop can be close This post has been edited by terradrive: May 4 2024, 02:57 PM |
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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 4 2024, 02:42 PM) calculation of memory bandwidth seems wrong. 256bit of 8533 memory is 273GB/s not 500. effective bandwidth, thats including cache too.on paper it should be around the performance of 7600xt, since total 150/175w also caters to the zen cores too unlike the discrete 7600xt can use as much power it wants. Similar memory bandwidth too. EDIT: my mistake i only saw rtx4070 laptop and not desktop, no way it is faster than rtx4070 desktop, laptop can be close there are probably ipc increase and clock uplift on rdna3.5. yup they are targeting mobile variant of rtx4070 which pretty much closer to rtx4060ti level. |
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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 4 2024, 03:07 PM) effective bandwidth, thats including cache too. isn't effecttive bandwidth already written there, the 8533MT/s.there are probably ipc increase and clock uplift on rdna3.5. yup they are targeting mobile variant of rtx4070 which pretty much closer to rtx4060ti level. |
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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 4 2024, 03:09 PM) thats ddr speed.the reason why you could see 7800x3d yield great number of fps even with ddr5 6000. big cache do helps alot This post has been edited by zerorating: May 4 2024, 03:12 PM ifourtos liked this post
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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 4 2024, 03:12 PM) thats ddr speed. every gpu has it's own cache. the thing that matters is the memory bandwidth the most, unless you are using like 192-256MB of big size caches. iinm amd already has big caches and it still didn't give huge fps advantages over nvidia on comparable segmentthe reason why you could see 7800x3d yield great number of fps even with ddr5 6000. big cache do helps alot |
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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 4 2024, 03:17 PM) every gpu has it's own cache. the thing that matters is the memory bandwidth the most, unless you are using like 192-256MB of big size caches. iinm amd already has big caches and it still didn't give huge fps advantages over nvidia on comparable segment do remember that amd dont have access to gdddr6x, thats why they need to compensate to big cache. nvidia high end chip also have big chungus cache, so their advantage become larger plus superior compression tenchique too.32mb l3 is a decent amount for those 200mm soc, they didnt tell if l2 cache got increase or not. anyway its a compromised product but if amd charge their client low, then thats a decent product, you can cut product cost because no need to purchase gddr module, more vrm, chokes and capacitors and simplified cooling system. This post has been edited by zerorating: May 4 2024, 03:29 PM |
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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 4 2024, 03:26 PM) do remember that amd dont have access to gdddr6x, thats why they need to compensate to big cache. nvidia high end chip also have big chungus cache, so their advantage become larger plus superior compression tenchique too. Good explanation!32mb l3 is a decent amount for those 200mm soc, they didnt tell if l2 cache got increase or not. anyway its a compromised product but if amd charge their client low, then thats a decent product, you can cut product cost because no need to purchase gddr module, more vrm, chokes and capacitors and simplified cooling system. |
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