I'm planning to buy a motorcycle (used/new also can) for my daily commute to work around 70km +/- round trip.
Currently riding an avantiz 125cc, usually cruise around 80-90kmh (too underpowered, sometimes want potong lorry also susah abit), refuel every 2 days which is very troublesome.
Will use for tapao at nearby sometimes.
90% highway + 10% city
Budget below 12k

ABS is a must

please rekomen...

Did some research and have few bikes came into consideration...
sym husky 150
ktm duke 200 abs
modenas Dominar 400

This post has been edited by Edward566: Apr 27 2024, 12:36 AM

Ride your mum to work ?
That must be exhausting.

his mum will take him to work
in her car

Why so rude to new member?
His request sounds genuine.

Got previous history with you?

Annoyed with shitpee
Cancel mah voucher last min

i dont know the senpai at all...

post yg ke 18jan utk advice motor

70KM daily suggest
- new bike if intend to keep longer
- kapchai for better ride quality , handling, maintenance running cost vs scooters
- japanese for reliability vs austrian, taiwanese,
- upright sitting positions vs aggressive eg duke

Reminder - safety attire a MUST. Full face, gloves, jacket, boots

RS150

cb500x 2nd

ktm250 or srk250...

Ninja 250

since you already using a scooter .....

husky not bad since have everything you want. sym brand should have no major issue.
say no to ktm duke 200. just, don't. no one in the right mind will go for this. dont ask me how i know , i won't go into detail, just to avoid KTM purist come whack me.
stay away from dominar 400 as well . for the price it is ok, you get what you paid, but this bike is fxxking heavy, engine is under power due to power to weight ratio, and this impact the top speed as well. current market have so many better option to choose for. really no reason to get a d400 nowadays (im currently using this d400 v1 + fz150, so this is a honest opinion from a current owner).

personally i will go for something 250cc , maybe a wmoto es250i , not a perfect bike but highly rate by many, and will definitely click with you in a much better way since you now also using scooter.
or the new wmoto rt2, that looks like a good buy as well , with all good feature in one package.

R25...

or

nvx

Honda Adv 160 comes with front and back ABS and traction control.

If kapcai RSX150 oso have ABS but tank cap is small.

Dominar definitely

Btw, if youre thinking about duke 200, consider the pulsars 200 too.
RS200 got dual channel abs, NS200 got front only. but i think 500-800 cheaper.

Is underpowered is your concern
Then don't ever thing to take that husky 150
Go above 150.
Unless u want duke 200, maybe y15 y16, rs150, vf185.
Want fast and with all that safety function xmax 250, xdv 250, rt2, rt3. Or maybe forza 300.

Want reliable, get a suzuki

Ni semua after sales support ok ke?

Ada consider Honda adv 160?

Tmax or adv160. Scooter chill

agree with you i prefer upright position, used to owned a kawasaki z250 before which i use it for 100km travel every weekend, i can say the back hurts LOL
but jap not much options the closest i can think of is nmax, which i think yamaha should give more on the bike...

if travel that far wont it hurts our back? I have friends who owned sports bike like that, they told me that

i actually done some research recently, found out some owners of wmoto said their bikes is good in terms of spec and pricing, but due to local QC issue their bikes have many defect and engine not that tahan lasak, which is a concern to me bcz i use it daily so minimal chances of breakdown is definitely prioritized.

btw the front+rear dash cam is wow

nvx oil tank can upgrade to 7L right? saw them selling on shopee.
but the price of the bike is so high omg, everyone mark up

used R25 is below 10k, but seating position is more on leaning forward...enm...

one thing i super like bout honda adv160, the headlamp is sooooooo bright, satisfying! maybe i came from avantiz with stock led which is so dim that i cant even see the road ahead during night time...
if i wanna choose honda adv, maybe will consider used adv150 as well bcz price is within budget around 8-9k, otherwise new adv160 also can. sifu's advice?

went to a dealership today, was told 150 scooter is more than enough because can cruise 120 on highway

maybe will skip kapchai bcz fuel tank similar to my current bike (avantiz), need to refuel every two days

Please be careful on the highways

Later got people walks out of nowhere

Some retarded ktards will still blame you if crashes

Scooters have higher maintenance, more power loss via cvt etc. Advantage is underseat storage.

How about cubs like
RS150R
Y16ZR fuel tank 5.4L

Plus Givi box within budget ? And safety wear too.

This post has been edited by dogbert_chew: Apr 28 2024, 01:00 AM

did the math abit +1 days before next refuel compare to my avantiz it would be great to have larger fuel tank that can last me for a week (5 days * 70km+)
i have existing givi box already, safety accessories like gloves and jacket also got, basically the budget can all in for the bike. i dont mind if the price goes up to like 16k if it gets me a very suitable bike for my purpose of use.

btw is MT-15 a good option? ticks most of the boxes too

no china bikes...

Mt-15 if no mistake, no abs thou.....

EX5

but very rare to get the Boon Siew make ..

Under rated but this actually a good choice...simply go for standard modi and feel the power...

Small fuel tank. Need to refuel often.
Also dunno why for 3 decades they still refused to update the EX5 front drum brake to brake disc. Even 100cc Honda Wave nowadays came with brake disc.

Owner of D400 UG and ADV160 and some few other old kapchais here.

Both motor is fine, but if you want power D400 UG is the one to go. Although FC is high since its a 400cc bike. At least 25km/l or at best 30km/l. Full tank can go 25km/l x 13l = 325km per full tank. Reliability wise quite good just need to make sure dont skip maintenance schedule.

Downside of this bike is you need to spend abit more on maintenance since its a big cc bike. Also abit heavy hence feel abit sluggish especially when you so used to scooter agility. But once u on highway, all of it are forgotten. 150km/h easily achievable.

As for ADV160, its much more comfy but power wise is seemly restricted due to the weight and size of the bike hence top speed only like 110-120km/h. 90-100km/h is the sweet spot for this ADC bike. Also the pickup is quite good. FC is around 38-45km per liter. Full tank means 38km/l x 8l = 304km/l.

Maintenance is also abit more than kapchai since u need to perform oil change every 3k km plus service the CVT belt every 8-12k km. Some fellas claim the belt can last very long (up to 22k km) stated in the manual book which is true if you drive like an ahpek. Better keep some tools to replace the belt + spare belt if you decided to buy this bike for long commute.

Since you didnt provide any budget, best bike for long distance ride is Honda RS150. Not flashy as other bikes in its category but it is a bike for long distance and no need to mod as much to get power. Stock standard is good enough

This post has been edited by Notoriez: Apr 28 2024, 04:01 AM

so decided aready or not?

Honda EX5

120km/h is top speed
I mean cruising is between 80-90 or 100.
150 or 155 scooter ride at 120 is screaming.
Engine, belt, cvt will scream for mercy.
But ofcoz if compare bigger tank, husky is the winner right now.

This post has been edited by latipbogiba: Apr 28 2024, 07:05 AM

A lot of good advise been given already, ie. riding position etc.

You are currently riding Avantiz 125cc, so let's use this as your baseline. I saw some comment with rather different baseline. My comments below is based on Avantiz as baseline

If you want to stick to a scooter, ADV160 is no brainer.

Simple run about, pickup is great and cruise speed sweet spot of 90-100km also vastly improved from Avantiz sweet spot of cruising. Best take away, large underseat storage makes grocery and tapao run easy. Large fuel tank, with 70km round trip a day, will take you 4 days per refuel. I own one.

If you want to switch to manual bikes, got tapao basket to kiap between your legs, RS150 highly recommended. No worry unlike LC135 / Y15Z hot on kidnappers list.

If you can go without basket to kiap, the lighter the better so do consider Pulsar NS200 that's been around and many shops can service with easy availability of parts. Another is a used CB500X that's heavy on spec but light between legs, but might be way over your budget.

I won't consider KTM (ahem) or D400 (heeeavy as a daily runabout bike)

Lastly, avoid anything sold / distributed by MForce. Product might be "ok" until you need support.

Less worry of ownership with Honda, Yamaha and some Kawasaki big bikes.

The husky is dog shit la. Why would anyone buy that when adv160 is avai9?

Have you seen the built quality? Cut corners everywhere.

Underpowered? then...

Y U no SYM 185cc ABS??

https://www.sym.mforce.my/product/VF3i185Pro/

Not worth it to die for work.

Any normal kapcai with higher cc will suffice.

This post has been edited by quintesson: Apr 28 2024, 09:16 AM

now full tank RM7 .. i can go KL from Shah Alam 3 times

my mistake just go through the spec list, doesn't have abs..

appreciate your detailed suggestions bro, might gvup D400 because daily use must keep maintenance cost to minimum, is weekend ride 1000cc also no issue lol
I actually shortlisted adv160 before this but just wonder maybe sifus here got better idea on better bike.
saw many sifus recommend RS150, from spec list it definitely looks more powerful than adv150/160, but the fuel tank is similar to my avantiz so i might need to pass on that

looks like my best bet is adv150/160 for now, which ticks most of the boxes

forgotten to include my budget, its actually around 12k
ysuku and lc i dont dare too panas edi, i can imagine how worry i will be even just leave it park beside mamak and go for tapao, nightmare...
for pulsar ns200 spec wise is not bad, but i will definitely add on gear indicator (forgive me for not riding manual clutch bikes for awhile), and buy it used maybe? because second hand price is mampu milik.
I missed kawasaki on their built quality, ease of maintenance and design, but price too keras

ive seen alot of people hype for it, but for me i buy bikes based on the spec, parts availability, maintenance etc, so far not much of issues heard from modern sym bikes, just resale value drop like roller coaster.

my friend jump from ex5 to leoncino 250, so far so good from what i heard from him

why not electric bike got rebate

used price is very attractive lol but some sifus here said sym aftersale service is bad.
my nearest service centre is mforce segambut, anyone had experience before?

blueshark r1? i thank our government for the rebate but consider the price with its range, top speed. Maybe not suitable for my usage bcz i cruise on highway to work most of the time
for city ride only mmg best can charge at office so zero "petrol" fees for whole year

based on all sifus professional advice, there're few motorcycles that comes into my considerations:

Honda ADV 150/160
Modenas NS200 ABS

Maybe:
Honda RS150
Yamaha Y16
SYM 185

as for husky 150, i sat on it ytd, seating position abit high for me (170cm with short legs), still no experience with sym aftersale service yet (mforce) so 50/50

Forget the ADV150.
Can't overtake trucks properly. Not enough torque.
It's the main reason I changed to ADV160 and happy with it. New 160cc engine high compression ratio high torque nice and lovely.

If you have grudges on seat height of Husky, you are gonna have the same grudge on the ADV. I am 180cm long legs and can just flat both foot on the ADV160, which has a slighly lower seating position than ADV150 of which I can also flat both foot.


NS200 ABS is a bit odd considering you don't want to refuel every 2 days, but maybe 2.5 days with NS200. With what you describe, this seems like the bestest option for you but stick to 2 days petrol station visit.

Go join Pulsar FB group and sniff around.
Throw WTB NS200 ABS post out there and see responses.
All the common problems of NS200 are already sniffed and fixed or easily fixed.
A used one fits super well in your budget, can be had for 6k and below easy, and all the standard gremlins would be resolved by first owner. Find a low milers below 30,000km. Savings from your budget (assuming it's cash budget) you can use for future bike upgrade, or add boxes to this NS200 and go touring.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/270290130109558


Honda RS150 3 days to refuel. No brainer workhorse but my personal preference between this and NS200, I go for NS200.

SYM, MForce.. ptui.. nuff said.

This post has been edited by WH4CockcooBird: Apr 28 2024, 03:15 PM

Agreed. ADV160 fits the request.

And if need topspeed, we'll spend on Molassi.

Superlegara v4s

This post has been edited by Ayambetul: Apr 28 2024, 04:07 PM

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5454122

i use normal kapcai. i dont speed. just like top topic, sudden car ebrake. biker dieded

got 1 long straight road on highway to cheras i think, sudden turning to left. i heard everyday got accident there..

currently 60-70km round trip daily, idg when they say more maintainance, pcx/adv150/nmax/nvx is enough already, every 2 month spend around rm50 for maintainance, the key is must follow schedule

There are times I need to do daily 90km non-highway round trip, and I had been doing that on the ADV160 instead of driving. Save much time.

Cruising 90-110km/h, not red lining engine. Always arrive fresh.

GenY .. Im GenX ..

cina i konform bodo cina apa bikin?

Vario 160 or go for ADV 160 if you have the budget.

If got city ride, avoid clutch bike la..penat

the bike seems cruising at high speed and not aware traffic ahead, + front brake too good caused the bike to flip forward
RIP...

But I tot RS150 no abs?

The one with abs is RS-X (front abs only)....

Boss can share more info regarding mforce?

Really tempted to trade in my d400 and go for their new scooter , such as rt3 n1 or the rt2, but notice here many not happy with their after sales, I did camping in their group and saw some mention they are happy with the after sales so I not sure who to believe now.

That girl cause all the accident, she needs to take full responsibility, no way around it.

Modenas versys x-250

Ok you got me in the mood to write something.

You visit Mforce webpage and you will find out MForce trading in too many brands and models. This results in serious challenges for them to stock spare parts for each and everyone of them, not to mention expertise on the ground (aka. workshop bawah pokok) everywhere that's familiar with their product.

CKD production line also need to cope with so many models. Work instructions, worker's training and QA processes will never be mature before next model took over the line. In short, assembly quality issues plenty.

Owners of their products thus end up facing not just lack of parts, lack of assembly quality and also lack of workshop that's familiar in dealing with the common problems of their products.

Mforce located at Penang. They have PR people (just a few) reading online postings, they will reach out to those complainants. Those whom are approached by these PR guys usually got VIP treatment to have their issues resolved amicably. They will sing praise of MForce. They are usually located around Penang. If you are not around Penang, you are on your own. Good luck.

MForce always claim they have parts for your bike. You pay them first, they order, you wait hor.. wait.... from weeks to months, before the parts arrive. What they really do is "pre-order" mode like shopee. They never stock 98% of the parts. They order from their supplier after they get the money from you. No need to tie up working capital in inventory. You are lucky if you want the 2% of parts they happen to have.

They appear to be practicing concept of sell-cheap-sell-more. People whom look at their bikes are usually drawn to their prices then try to justify their purchases, except admitting they love the cheap price. Buy cheap buy twice or more.

Avoid RT2 and RT3. Loads of gremlins. Owners been cursing on FB pages but later learnt to tone down their cursing. Why? 'Cos people dig up history from socmed. When one want to sell his bike, people dig up his cursign in FB and avoided buying from him. Hence these days complains of issue on FB groups gone down 'cos people learn to tone down, and bring these discussions off socmed into whatsapp / telegram group.

Zontes 350 so far plenty positive surprises, and surprise it's not distributed by MForce, but KTM network.

Vario 160
Adv 160
RS 150
RSX
Y15
Y16
SYM 185 Vf3i
Yamaha MT150
Pulsar 200 ns / is

I'm leaning to vario 160 for now. Same engine with adv but small and light. Adv win with storage

I also have Vario 160.
Pickup is damn fun and much better than ADV due to lighter weight.
Ride like kapchai when ADV ride like tourer.

For TS, the 5.5L fuel tank of Vario need refuelling around 180km~210km distance. This translate to 2.5 day of refuel interval for him, it's a stretch pushing it to 3 days.

This is one of his grudges. If he can tolerate this, he can get a new practical fun bike within his budget.

Tapao and groceries can put on floor

This post has been edited by WH4CockcooBird: Apr 29 2024, 08:22 AM

Hi bro, for your daily commute i would recommend you to use Dominar 250 or 400 according to your budget. Fuel efficient, price also gnam and also low maintenance.

i think for brands under mforce, ned more time for them to "hands on" the after sale and parts services, based on what i saw online.

i actually went to few kedai motor today to get the best price.
vario 160 vs adv 160
price differ 3k +/-

things adv160 get extra:
traction control
bigger fuel tank
bigger meter display
bigger underseat storage
windshield
double showa shocks

things vario160 get extra:
TEH TARIK HOOK

i tried both bikes underseat storage with my (GIVI M30.1 OPEN FACE HELMET CIELO) XL size, cannot fit

may i know max 210km range is around how many speed in kmh?

Yup, the floor flat is the advantage for vario.

thanks for the neat sharing, make a lot of sense now.
decide to stay away from mforce for now.

kinda almost grab the zontes ZT310X... almost.
zontes 350D/E's weight is too much for me (thanks to D400), good for long distance cruising thou i think.
but zontes i think definitely dying in malaysia market , not so great (unlike mforce who seems gaining some market here...)
its like so rare on the road, even the zt155 is rarely seen, and not even used is that much (i even saw a used zontes parked at the shop like, years, and its still there).

and now you kinda get me into Vario 160... spec is looking good for city and short distance ride

thanks for the underseat test, am using simiar helmet m30.3 d-visor.
i guess thats the reason why most vario 160 and adv160 install a topbox.

personally now i kind on the vario side due to the weight.
need some thing light to fight the jam in the city, and need that hock for tapau my kopi ice

please do share once you decided which one to go for

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....

Can't change a tiger's stripe.

People actually believe that for a company operated so many years under the same model.

80-100km/h

210km usuallly pump slightly less than 4 liter. However, that blinking low fuel indicator will get you to petrol station earlier unless you have balls to push it.

Yes it's true that not many helmet can go under the seat, unfortunately.

My Shoei J Cruise 2 has such a big shell even Forza seat have a little challenge taking it.

My Shoei full face, forget it.

Box time!

Yeah.. if the ADV350 really come, might ditch the ADV160 and keep the Vario with the bigger ADV.

Why isnt anyone recommending Suzuki Raider 150?
Banyak problem?

Tank kecik. Nak buat pergi sekolah boleh la.

Heads up for you two.

Vario seat can be hard, and suspension can be bumpy.
Rear shock is adjustable, go get adjust tool and turn from right to left to soften it if you want.

There's also comfort seat on sale now. Can consider that.

smol seat for fat fuark like RtK

Another PRC scoot coming in soon

Saw from fb groups some owner can cruise up to 50km with the fuel indicator starts blinking.

Stock shocks can adjust?
If i plan to upgrade rear shocks, you have any recommendations for comfort? Because i know single side rear shocks comfort is not enough especially cruising on our KL/selangor roads whereby potholes and plaster everywhere.
I tried RCB before not much improvement

Hvnt tried comfort seat before not sure if it improves

Ohlins
YSS (not the basic entry level model)

Where's skyblu3? His advice are usually good.