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 Country Heights Grower Scheme (CHGS), anyone heard before?

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wodenus
post Feb 25 2008, 03:32 AM

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QUOTE(neocappuccino @ Jan 7 2008, 06:15 PM)
launching price was RM5000 for one plot or 1/4 acre
now its sellin at RM5500 for one plot or 1/4 acre
the price will appreciate to RM6000 a plot in the mid of FEB


The price is artificially controlled ? is the price Rm6000 now ?


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post Feb 25 2008, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(neocappuccino @ Feb 25 2008, 12:34 PM)
hey sorry guys, i was very busy last week with outstation appointments.
The 8% is based on the initial investment price.

8% for Rm5500 until 23 yrs.

The price is still Rm5500 till 11th March 2008

After that based on the new prospectus, the new price will be Rm6000
First you say February, now you say March ? smile.gif


And look at :

http://www.countryheights.com.my/corp_prof...nual_report.asp

Where are the Annual Reports for 2005 and 2006 ? smile.gif


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post Sep 18 2008, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Sep 18 2008, 01:38 PM)
(5) Liquidability of investment high, i.e. low risk of being insolvent due to land agreements.


That's not how you determine liquidity. Liquidity is determined by the number of people that hold shares, and how easy it is to sell a plot to someone else, if you suddenly need the money. For instance, the share market is very liquid, there's almost no chance that anyone will not find buyers for shares (especially in blue chip companies.) Can we say the same about this?

All the value in the world will not be able to be realized if you can't sell it.


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post Nov 6 2008, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Nov 3 2008, 01:22 AM)
Any idea how long it will take to clear off the current surplus? One thing I'm curious, when China cancels their earlier contract at 3000+ level, do they need to pay any compensation or is it normal for any buyer to purchase and cancel at their perogative?

For CHGS investment, it is meant for risk adverse investors who wish to have regular yearly income with higher interest than FD/Amanah saham, while at the same time grow their initial capital every year to hedge against inflation with capital protection. It is similar to property investment except that the rental income is guaranteed every year & you don't have to look for tenant or pay land tax, mantenence, agent fees etc. Since the returns are certain, it can be used as an addition to regular retirement income, childrens education, holiday income etc. So in terms of portfolio spread, CHGS will fall into the area of your FD/AmanahSaham/Insurance spread, while you may have another portion for other speculative investments (shares, currency, unit trust, real commodity trading).

Comparison for RM320k

CHGS dividens (8-17%)
year 1 to year 3 - RM25,600pa / RM2,133pm
year 4 onwards - RM38,400pa / RM3,200pm (at conservative 12% average)
Capital growth At maturity - RM1,1-1.5 million +/- 400% (from sale of land), RM2.4-3 million +/- 800-1000%(including dividens)

FD at 3.75%
year 1-24 - RM12,000pa / RM1000pm
Capital At maturity - RM320k (original investment), RM746k  ie. 230% inluding dividens(compounded)

Property (single story house in PJ)
average rental - RM15,000pa (not guaranteed, depends on tenant availability) / RM1250pm (4.7%)
less real estate agent fee, lland tax, maintenance, legal fees etc)
After 20+ years sale - +/- 400% return
less real estate agent fee, legal fees, property gains tax etc
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FD at 4.5-5% for 5 years actually. And that is contractually guaranteed. I can spend 25% of my capital now and I know I will get it back. Now think about that, 320K x 5 % = 16,000 guaranteed free money that I can use for whatever. Whatever happens, capital is guaranteed. I can, for instance, buy something for Rm16,000 with my credit card tomorrow (that's assuming credit limit is 16K) and not worry about defaulting at all.

I think the returns from CHGS can't be considered certain. "Certain" means "guaranteed" and guaranteed it is not. It all depends on this.. is 3% extra worth the risk?

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post Nov 6 2008, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Nov 6 2008, 10:19 PM)
I suggest you read the CHGS contract at www.chgs.com.my before making false comments otherwise you will mislead potential investors. CHGS returns are contractually guaranteed as well as capital protected. This was one of the requirements for SSM approval as all returns must be contractually guaranteed otherwise CHGS cannot advertise the returns as stated as well as local banks cannot market the product stating the returns as such. In fact, that is the main reason the tagline for CHGS is 'invest in certainty'.
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What does "contractually guaranteed" mean ? what happens if the company goes under? yes I know about the land, but what if it doesn't fetch a good price? which SSM do you mean ? Suruhanjaya Syarikat (Companies Commission) or Suruhanjaya Sekuriti (Securities Commission)?

I don't see banks marketing the product at all, I've never seen a bank with so much as a CHGS brochure. When I was inquiring about investment possibilities they never mentioned a word about it.

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post Nov 6 2008, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Nov 6 2008, 10:44 PM)
What does contractual guarantee mean? What do you think it mean, since you mentioned it? For me, contractual guarantee means there must be a contract between the investor and the co. and the contract must show that your dividen of 8% or 3% or 5% is guaranteed.

That is why the funds do not go to CHGS, it goes to BLHB Trustee Berhad, which is owned by CIMB bank. Hope this brings light to you. This is also the reason why SSM only approves CHGS because of this safety feature. Those other UK and Canada land investment co. was raided because they do not have SSM permission to collect funds from the public. Your concerns have already been discussed earlier on, do look back and read the posts.

CHGS is marketed by our marketing partners via their credit card division. If you would like to know more, let me know which bank are you using and I'll recommend the bank officer to you.
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I'll be at MAPEX tomorrow. Not going to read through 7 pages tongue.gif


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post Nov 6 2008, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Nov 3 2008, 12:05 PM)
Mmmm.... It is projected that even more defaults will take place. Well, there is some level of compensation stipulated, about 5% or so if I'm not mistaken. But consider that 5% of RM3,000 is only RM150, when the new pricing is only RM1450, you actually lose not much, but gain more than RM1,000 by defaulting.

The surplus should end my mid second quarter FY09. But do note, should does not mean would. Right now buyer sentiments are very fickle, so assuming no smartass comes out to make detrimental statements, then CPO prices should return to RM2200 by then. Otherwise.....
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post Jan 22 2009, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(F1meteor @ Jan 22 2009, 11:49 AM)
i also received my cheque on 16 Jan
RM700 laugh.gif i bought 2 units last March
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Is that for a year? or what?
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post Jan 22 2009, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(niuchin @ Jan 22 2009, 07:34 PM)
Is this scheme viable


All schemes are viable.


QUOTE(niuchin @ Jan 22 2009, 07:34 PM)
or risk free


No investment is risk-free.

QUOTE(niuchin @ Jan 22 2009, 07:34 PM)
or do I have to allow for the fact or likelihood that I may lose a major part of my investment.


That's always possible.

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post Jan 26 2009, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 25 2009, 06:54 AM)
Govt policy change is not a risk in this investment. In the event there is an uncontrollable external factor that causes the investment to terminate itself, all investor funds must be returned to investors (see clause 9 of CHGS contract at www.chgs.com.my). Since the funds are kept by BHLB Trustee which is owned by CIMB bank, they are required to return the funds upon any termination. That is why this investment is approved by SSM as there must be proper safeguards for the investor to make sure it is a capital protected investment.


So in the event the government takes over CIMB bank?

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post Jan 30 2009, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(benghooi @ Jan 30 2009, 09:38 AM)
5 plots country height grower scheme for sale.

Current price RM 5500
CHGS Trading List

Selling price RM 5400

Please contact Ooi, 016-9755888
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Price is dropping?


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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 26 2009, 09:49 PM)
Then Clause 9 takes effect. The money held by BHLB Trustee is part of the trust a/c, meaning it is held on trust on behalf of CHGS investment. In other words, CIMB bank has no legal right to the proceeds of the investment.
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So in the event that BHLB Trustee goes under?


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post Feb 2 2011, 08:41 PM

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It's been running for years, and there's no one who can confirm that they are making any money at all?

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post Feb 8 2011, 06:14 PM

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So is anyone making a net profit from this after so many years?


 

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