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 Country Heights Grower Scheme (CHGS), anyone heard before?

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dreamer101
post Feb 15 2008, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(mkhor7 @ Feb 14 2008, 09:53 PM)

1.  CHGS is to fund the Management Company(MC) in their project of a 10,000 acre oil palm plantation.  For each plot of RM5.5k fee, 29% is set aside to give us the initial returns of 8%x3yrs and 5% kept as Reserve funds with the Trustee.  MC gets to use about RM3.5k after marketing costs.  If all 28000 plots are sold, MC will have about RM 100 million funds to develop this 10,000 acre project.


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mkhor7,

The calculation does not seem correct.

1 plot = RM5.5K

28000 plot = 153 millions.

<<MC will have about RM 100 million funds to develop this 10,000 acre project.>>

That means $10K per acres to develop the land. How much does the original land costs?? We have not even factored in the land costs.

For each acres, the investor pays $22K. In order for this to work, the original land has to cost much less that 15K per acre.

If I am the businessman, the cost of the land will come from the RM3.5K since I do not want to use my own money. So, 3.5K X 28000 = 98 millions. So, it has to be much less than 9.8K per acres.

Those are the guesses base on your number.

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post Feb 15 2008, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(mkhor7 @ Feb 15 2008, 06:31 PM)


MC accounts as at Feb-2007 showed they have already put in around RM20 million including land development costs of over RM15 million.  The RM100 million from CHGS will be used to buy more seedlings, planting and fertilizers costs, labours , maintenance, re-planting, etc...  Hence a fully operating plantation with productive trees would fetch good value even after 20 years.  This Gua Musang land lease would likely remain as plantation land for its whole leasehold term.



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You mean it is leasehold land?? It is NOT freehold??


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post Feb 16 2008, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 15 2008, 09:47 PM)
One question,
If the palm oil tree fails to grow enough then there would be no profit, then how the company going to pay the return to the scheme holders?
Yes, it depends on the CPO price but it also depends on the plantation yielding aka fruits grows. In term of any natural disaster like flooding etc, then no profit then how company going to pay the return? Insurance enough to cover?  hmm.gif Don't think insurance company want to make losing business as well.

Participant in trust is like owning it and whether to get the return or not, it depends on the profitability of it, just like Reit.

Owning the trust is not exactly like owning a land, just similarity, as same as reit also. Owning a land, you got the land title, you can opt to sell or do whatever you want whenever you wish. But in this trsut scheme, investors basically are tight for 23 years period, unless another person willing to take up the trust or buying from you. Actual landbank or owning a land is much easier to sell than owning a trust espeically the trust is not listed. If listed, then it would be a good plantation trust, as it resolve the main issue, liquidation part.

It is just a leasehold for 23 years?

Don't get me wrong. Not mean to discredit this scheme, instead personally view it is an ok investment target. Just want to highlight some disadvantage besides its pros so that discussion in it will only make a claerer picture and only benefit to all.

Also, 'guess' term is not good enough, it involves hard earned money in stake, every fact in it must be known properly, can't second guessing of it. This scheme already running one, we should able to find out the actual fact of it.

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cherroy,

I just realized why 23 years. In Palm Oil, you plant a 3 to 4 years old tree. You need to wait 3 years to harvest. After 23 years, it is 25 - 30 years old tree. You need to replant the tree. So, after 23 years, there is a HUGE cost to replant tree and you may or may not want to do that. You may just want to sell the land.

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post Feb 23 2008, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Feb 23 2008, 10:44 AM)
Oh, i just saw that the price will increase to RM6000. Is it only effective after 11th March?
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Jordy,

So, if the price gone up to 6K, the 8% is based on 5.5K or 6K?

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post Feb 24 2008, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(Justmua @ Feb 23 2008, 09:57 PM)
Dreamer,

The 8% is based on 6K.
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Justmua,

Thanks.

Okay. So, the subsequent return is based on lot size or 5.5K versus 6K??

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