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 Country Heights Grower Scheme (CHGS), anyone heard before?

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prophetjul
post Jan 30 2013, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(MakNok @ Jan 30 2013, 10:35 AM)
they can say system glicth which lasted until D-Day.
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Doesnt matter.....just record it.

When too many things are managed to their advantage the court will take note.
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post Jan 30 2013, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(jeffayn @ Jan 30 2013, 01:27 PM)
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only thing is disappointing that grower only intend to get back their capital that is all they want... .. sad.. but true.... sad.gif
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i bet you thats whay the managemnet is banking on....

they will agree to pay back with OPEN arms........ nod.gif
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post Jan 30 2013, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(beginner99 @ Jan 30 2013, 03:05 PM)
Agenda for the meeting is to discuss whether you wanna sell it or not.
How about the pay back term ?
If they pay back within two years time. I don't think it is fair.
When we bought it, they ask to pay one time.
When we sell it, they pay back installment.
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Learn the skills of negotiation. Start low........

i bet you their target is to pay ALL growers their investments back....no more, no less.

The BAD news is to create a mindset in all of you.

With ALL the BAD news, gettig yer investment back is GREAT news!

BUT you will get it over TWO years because things are BAD....

OK OK we will pay you 80% today and 20% next year at 1st Jan 2014.

JUST BE GLAD THAT YOU GOTTA INVESTMENT BACK! rclxms.gif


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post Jan 31 2013, 08:42 AM

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Is this not a type of ponzi?

using the investors monay to pay their YIELD PAYOUT?


Lots of RED FlaGS from the beginning......

the capital raised appears to be used to purchase land in Gua musang and LD as required by SSM and yet


YOU GROWERS DO NOT OWN THE ASSET!

Talk about a FLEECE! sweat.gif
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post Jan 31 2013, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(jeffayn @ Jan 30 2013, 08:41 PM)
No more story .. now hard facts
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figure above by CGHS, not I sendiri reka, cipta or hear so

The actual cost of land is RM39.5M  and now is valued at RM129M
They had spent ~RM93.4M to develop the plantation. assuming a 10k acre that means RM9340 to plant, to develop it. For palm oil industries, this number is too high.

Now they are going to buy back one to one and of course the dividend you can keep. Sound great right? Wrong.
Even you get back every dime of your money back,

You have lost 4 years
You had paid RM215M FOR SOMETHING WORTH RM39.5 + DEV RM93.4 = RM132.9 still over pay by 60% premium

Now you get back your money, Mr Lee will still get
back his RM 12.2 M deed
the land development cost of RM93.4M
the best part now the land worth at least RM129M and belong to him and he didnt spend a dime for the previous 4 years

LEE PAYOUT RM78.5M
LEE TAKE BACK RM12.2M + RM129M = RM141.2M + SPENT OUR MONEY (RM93.4M) which he need not to spend further to develop = RM234.6M in asset and form
NET RM234.6M-RM78.5M = RM156.1M He fork out 0 at day 1 and earn immediate RM156.1M today!

That is how every one should run their company , role model for Malaysia Business Man !!!!
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Nice PAYDAY for Someone! biggrin.gif
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post Jan 31 2013, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(kinwing @ Jan 31 2013, 09:59 AM)
I am wondering which authorities approved this scheme? Looks like the SC has not said a word on this scheme. So far only CCM is the only authority approved this scheme, so I not sure if CCM got the relevant resources as compare to the SC to understand what type of investment scheme they approved?
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It appears from LKY's letter, SSM approved the scheme as he alludes to their
conditions ..........

Why SC has to be involved since it does nt involve listed companies?
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post Jan 31 2013, 10:41 AM

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All the biggies are using themes of the day to make their big bucks at the expense of the investors..........be it oil palm, gold, silver, etc....
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post Jan 31 2013, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 31 2013, 10:44 AM)
For me I rather get it at the source... for gold I buy gold mining company (New Crest), oil palm, plantation companies (Various) and oil, oil drilling companies (Exxon), property, REITs. At least I get a piece of the asset, with full declaration and no fleecing like all these get rich scheme... sweat.gif
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ALLLLLL these schemes are DERIVATIVEs of the product or assets.

ALLLLL DERIVATIVES ARE SEWAGE says Warren Buffet nod.gif

Worse LKY shewed that the expenses included the yield paid to growers frommmmmm ummmm the captal exercise!

Is this not PONSI.??? rclxub.gif
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post Jan 31 2013, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(kinwing @ Jan 31 2013, 11:07 AM)
A lot retail investors are not so market savvy and don't know how to count, too bad for them.

But I realise a lot investors have the mindset of sheep mentality and not doing enough homework before investing, like this case that the traps are quite obvious to be noticed through proper vetting through the prospectus and simple calculation, and worse investors should have known the creditability of LKY. Or all CHGS Growers were having the thought that this time is different and they won't be so unlucky to encounter another trap?
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aye.......simply Rm20,000 to develope an acre of oil palm land is OTT......simply fleecing.
Thats why they can use part of this capital to entice those sheeple with YIELD.

Much like Gnneva, use the capital to pay YIELDs..........so ssorry sheeple
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post Jan 31 2013, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 31 2013, 11:08 AM)
No wor... officially this is called 'contract farming'  but underneath in ponzi...(hidden)...brows.gif
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if i OWNED the land and contract it out, thats contract farming......

This is a derivative of oil palm pl biggrin.gif antation.....no ASS-et biggrin.gif
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post Jan 31 2013, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 31 2013, 11:13 AM)
You don't own the land Mr lee does... you are paying Mr. Lee to 'contract farm' for you and split the earnings. You have no right to the assets, just Mr Lee.  rclxms.gif

Basically Mr. Lee sold you a call option (is a derivative right?  tongue.gif ) on the future palm oil crop...
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Yes...thats a good way of describing.........a call option.....
NOW can growers claim the PALMS to be theirs????

GO an DIG them UP! biggrin.gif
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post Jan 31 2013, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(MakNok @ Jan 31 2013, 11:14 AM)
why the marketing cost is 7.6million FIXED throughout the 4 years period?
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They should check WHO the marketing company is......another related party? hmm.gif
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post Jan 31 2013, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 31 2013, 11:20 AM)
Technically no, the palm does not belong to the grower, just the fruit... can go and collect your own fruit? whistling.gif
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Alas........... growers are TOTALly fleeecedddd nod.gif
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post Feb 4 2013, 09:08 AM

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You believe this innocent face? Go Get HIM!


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post Feb 4 2013, 09:27 AM

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“There is only a small group of disgruntled CHGS investors who are creating such a big issue out of the termination exercise and has roped in the Minority Shareholders Watchdog Group (MSWG) to look into the matter and want to delay our intended general meeting on Feb 8 to vote for the termination proposal and accept the refund offer."- LKY
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post Feb 4 2013, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 4 2013, 11:27 AM)
How come CHGS never mention their Lahad Datu plantation, all the talking is on the Gua Musang Estate, even the Lahad Datu plantation is never mentioned for sale? What will happen to the plantation after termination? hmm.gif
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The LD plantation has been trampled...........

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post Feb 5 2013, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(ddragon007 @ Feb 4 2013, 04:30 PM)
refer to the latest letter from LKY. http://www.chgs.com.my/LATEST.pdf.  There is a 19.7mil cost for acquisition of Lahad Datu estate.  Lahad Datu should belongs to PGCB.
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More questions and more RED FLAGS ...........

Inter related party transactions ALWAYS sucks*....in the real world its called CONFLICT OF iNTEREST
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post Feb 6 2013, 09:05 PM

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appoint golden palm to take over................... smile.gif
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post Feb 7 2013, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(LowGrower @ Feb 6 2013, 11:59 PM)
How come you propose golden palm?
Would not some parts of the model/scheme have the same flaws or defects?
Are they willing to buy-out CHGS Growers, as they (GP Mgt Co) are also initially enjoying the same benefits in the initial years?
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Golden palm operates in Gua Musang as well....they are getting double CHGS yeild.........
Maybe they are better? smile.gif
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post Feb 7 2013, 03:04 PM

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Just FIRE him...............some indian chap

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