Hi all, I did not dig too much before posting.
Is anyone here in a committed relationship but not legally married in the country, and with no plans to do so, or close to anyone in this kind of relationship? (not sure if there is a term for that)

What would be the downsides for couples who are not legally married in this country?
What are the obvious legal complications? Can't legally have kids? (Exclude inheritance rights, social, religion and cultural perceptions please)

Thanks!

Interested to know too.

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Nons can have kids with both the father and mother in the child’s birth cert even they are not married

Biar betul ni. In Malaysia?

But if not married, say if one passed away without a will, that will cause difficulty right?

I don't know but there will be some goverment agency that will require marriage certificate like for the above case, perkeso, kwsp and insurance actually asked for it. But i'm not sure if they will process even without it.

Edit: if not any tom dick and harry can claim to be their "spouse".

This post has been edited by keong_boy: Apr 4 2024, 03:17 PM

Ts mentioned ignore inheritance rights

Ops sorry. In that case, can't think of any entity that would require marriage certificate.

no prob bruh, cus that is the only obvious one that I can think of
but wondering if a Will can replace a marriage certificate ar

Not too sure, but if claim inheritance i think 'will' quite powerful, even more than marriage cert. I think the court will layan the 'will' > marriage cert. Lawyers will suggests you to do it, but not sure it's just because they want cari makan. But they say if no will, other parties such as children and parents have a percentage of what the decease leaves behind, if they choose to dispute, if no dispute then no issue.

But, maybe, for kwsp/perkeso/insurance, cert > will. Kwsp has nomination, but perkeso, the checklist is marriage cert to be entitled for it's benefits, as it's for "spouse and children". Not sure if a will can replace a cert in this case.

damnnn, really can't think of what entity will need it. Only can think of court and insurance.

my parents were not legally married but so far no issue with the birth certs,etc

a lot of old people were not legally married too so dont be surprised

thanks for sharing, I really din know.

the only difficulties they face was during applying for the US tourist visa

they have to prove their marriage status but end up settled. i didn't ask about this

If Im not mistaken, you cant name GF/BF as beneficiary of life insurance in malaysia.

If you're employee of MNC or any company that provides insurance in your remuneration package, then you'll find that your immediate family is automatically covered by the insurance. AFAIK you need to be legally married to allow your partner to enjoy that.

Beside that, tax filing can be done individually or with spouse. If your partner is not working or has less income, I guess you can combine to lower the tax brackets?

Note: I'm speaking entirely from own research, I'm not legally married.

The partner cannot legally made the important / life saving decision the best of his/her interest at the time of emergency.

For instance, when 1 of you got into accident or experience mishap which leads to emergency medical procedure / operation, you are unconscious hence cannot authorized the procedure by yourself. Your partner are in no position to place his/her signature to authorize the emergency procedure.

It called gf and bf relationship.......
The real question is what is the stoppage to marriage?

Not ready to have family....
Still young want to wet for few more years.....
Do not want marriage commitment and legal implication

Then ask whether u willing to wait it through
then u know what to do

Excellent Excellent Excellent!

Bro or Sis, you are The One!

Enjoy!!!!!!!!

Mind to ask how old are u?

Then and now may have changes in requirements.

Not me. My parents

Right until now i dont have any implications maybe because i have a legit birth certificate

But right now could be massive change

This post has been edited by hihihehe: Apr 7 2024, 11:45 PM

Power of Attorney

Can.

Insurance act 1996

EPF act 1991 > Will > marriage cert

Adui . These ppl who refuse to marry or giving multiples reason not to sign a legal marriage paper, you expect them to trouble themselves with this option ?

It is an option but very least likely.

Religious reasons

yeh exactly. Thanks bruh.

Eh just for my own curiosity, please help me understand, which religion and why?

De facto relationships are given the same weightage in countries such as Australia and New Zealand, and similarly in Singapore - although not equivalent to marriage, the Women's Charter ensures that the woman will not be any worse off should a de facto relationship sours.

Is this proven. Does this also apply to foreigner relationship?

If you (assuming you’re Malaysian male) put your name on the birth certificate for the child, the child can be a Malaysian citizen yes.

Can i put mother's name assume she is illegal and can i register them as Indonesian not Malaysian.

It's called a de facto relationship

It means...no tangible commitment...

Zero responsibility...can walk out easily...

Yes

if you dont have a legal marriage cert, most likely the child will follow the citizenship of the mother, not sure the latest rules [malaysian father] are in place or not

not really, without a legal marriage cert, the child follows the mother's [foreigner] citizenship, BUT, there new laws that states that child can be malaysian is father is malaysian

Oh? Thank you for the clarification.

you will get the (permohanan seksyen 13) on the birth cert
the child can't inherit father wealth

Just create a will or better if not mistaken with Amanah Raya if your will have specific requets. I plan to nominate Amanah Raya for my EPF

Amanah Raya? That’s like a public trustee, isn’t it? I thought you were going to get your sister to administer your will?

Amanah Raya might take sometimes. For now nominees will be my sister until i figure out the allocation for them. Also i will inform my sister about my will with Amanah Raya to prevent dispute. As we never know future what will happen. What if we both gone together

Good luck again, bro!