QUOTE(gashout @ Mar 17 2024, 01:02 PM)
never understand what is the purpose of that scholarship that doesn't need the person to come back and serve the country.
I wouldn't blame the JPA scholar for not serving their bond. Once upon a time, they have a mandatory bond to work with the gov for around 7-8 years. So, the minimum they must do is to applied to gov position when they graduate. Once applied, in order for gov to exercise their right for the bond, gov MUST give them a job. If the gov didn't provide them a job, the contract was broken by the gov themselves. Hence those students are no longer be obligated by a broken contract. They are cleared of responsibility. So they are free to work anywhere.
The students aren't at fault here. It's simply a matter of the wrong policy.
So, this new loan system policy is an acknowledgement of the fact government cannot provide all jobs and perhaps a method to recoup back the previous losses. At least now, even if they dont work in government, these students are more likely to work in the country rather than overseas.
This the case right now. In JKPJ loan scholarship, we have to serve a bond AND pay back loan according to the following discount.
• Full scholarship (no loan repayment): By serving as a public servant in the civil service upon graduation.
• 25% loan repayment: By working in a Government-Linked Company (GLC) upon graduation.
• 50% loan repayment: By working in a company in the private sector in Malaysia upon graduation.
• Full loan repayment: All other situations (Working overseas, no intention of working, etc)
What's wrong here is that, gov is still dangling themselves to be the ultimate destination, yet they are still unable to provide the jobs promised.
Speaking in terms of France, this however sucks because majority of sponsored students are in the fields that government don't cover, such as chemical engineering, electrical engineering, automotives, biochemical, etc. Hence, it is for certain that most of them are unable to benefit from a 100% scholarship if they insist to stay in their specialisation. However, even if its a 25% or 50% loan repayment, its still between 100-250k in total to payback which isn't a fun amount to start your adult life with.
Normally, we expect student to graduate and work in Malaysia and start paying the monthly amount. What may happen, under this context however, is that student may choose to delay payments by continuing to master or PhD, so that they can start paying on a better salary starting line. Or work overseas, pay 100% in order to be free from the debt faster. This may be caused due to a high monthly payment amount as a fresh grad ranging between 600-700 per month. Assuming that average salary for overseas graduates is RM4000, that is still 15% of their salary. The fact that 15% of their salary is dedicated to education debt, might limit many of their actions in adult life or even their career progression, as I already mentioned before.
QUOTE(AtenJieha @ Mar 17 2024 @ 05:16 AM)
However, putting aside my situation, I still believe that sentiment needs to be discussed in this conversation. Because, in many situations, things aren't simply black and white. For example, dissatisfaction can breeds due to lack of transparency by loan provider. Furthermore, high monthly loans payment can be holding borrowers back in many future decisions (marriage, insurance, children, car, house etc). And some may decide to stay in a job they hate, or in a job that pays well for a fresh grad but have low growth/promotion opportunities for the sake of money. Some could also just settle for whatever job they get instead of what they studied for (skill underemployment). Furthermore, due to the debt discount programs that PTPTN been doing, some people can be discouraged to pay it regularly. Opting to just wait until a bigger discount or future discount instead. The lack of enforcement of punishment can also instill a sentiment of confidence that they can escape from their obligation.
Based on studies, the appropriate max amount of education loan payment is 8% of fresh grad salary so that the monthly payment wont prevent loan holders from planning their future life. This however isn't practiced in Malaysia as our loan system mimic the American system more.
What would then be a solution? Debt relief is a no. And free higher education like Germany is a no too. There were conversations about implementing Income Contingent Loan Program last October, but nothing came out of that. This however is a pretty good suggestion as if the loan is considered a burden to some, we will take only how much they can afford, just like in Australia. At least, we have a continuity of repayment as long as graduates continue to strive in their career. This way, at least PTPTN can use the repayment money to help new students instead of taking up more loans themselves. (PTPTN take out high interest loans to give out low interest education loans)
| Repayment threshold | Repayment % rate |
| Below $51,550 | Nil |
| $51,550 - $59,518 | 1.0% |
| $59,519 - $63,089 | 2.0% |
| $63,090 - $66,875 | 2.5% |
| $66,876 - $70,888 | 3.0% |
| $70,889 - $75,140 | 3.5% |
| $75,141 - $79,649 | 4.0% |
| $79,650 - $84,429 | 4.5% |
Nevertheless, is government and students the only party in this conversation. For me, I believe educational institution should also carry part of the burden too. It is their responsibility to generate high quality employable and skilled graduates. However, market reaction had proven that, our graduates don't have much worth. What with the lack of fresh graduates salary growth. As years go by, our youth purchasing power is simply diminishing.
Is company to be at fault. Perhaps their claim of lack of skills and experience is valid. Where and when then can these grads get the required skills? In the university. I believe, universities should be incentivized or given a deterrent according to their graduates performance. That a university should be rated according to their products(graduates). What are their starting salary, employability, average length of time taken for graduates to find jobs, etc. This move can make the universities take more accountability of their education quality and be more invested in a graduates success. What can be used as incentives or deterrent is probably the endowment fund the public universities receive.
In this way, its not just the graduates crying for higher starting salary. After all, with how much inflation over the years had been, yet the average wage stayed the low.
| Year | Median Salary for graduates < 24 years old | Salary growth | Inflation rate | Inflation adjusted salary | Inflation adjusted growth |
| ------ | -------------------------------------------- | ---------------- | ---------------- | --------------------------- | -------------------------- |
| 2018 | RM2,112 | - | 0.88% | - | - |
| 2019 | RM2,066 | -2.18% | 0.66% | RM2,130.59 | -3.13% |
| 2020 | RM1,550 | -24.98% | -1.14% | RM2,079.64 | -34.17% |
| 2021 | RM1,590 | 2.58% | 2.48% | RM1,532.33 | 3.63% |
| 2022 | RM1,624 | 2.14% | 3.38% | RM1,629.43 | -0.33% |
| 2023 | No data | - | 1.50% | RM1,678.89 | - |
| 2024 | No data | - | No data | No data | - |
The value of 2018 salary in 2022 is RM2261.80. This means in between 2018 until 2022, salary had decreased by 28.2%. So the cries for higher starting salary was quite justified in that period of time. Their quality of life had decreased by more than 25%.
Though considering the new minimum wage in May 2023, this may affect the current graduates salary positively. To what extent cannot be determined as it differs between websites and DOSM havent reported anything since. So yeah, we need to pressure the company to raise wage. However, we also need to make education worth its value too. And considering the rates of underemployement, we need to increase the number of skilled job opportunities. We need to asses why is this happening and if its concentrated on particular field of studies? Are we producing too much graduates of a certain field? I dont think DOSM is tracking that data. Couldnt find it. Only one from 2012.
QUOTE(sanwaltz @ Mar 17 2024, 01:17 PM)
If I tell one of the solutions is for the current generation to sacrifice some lifestyle to alleviate the problem on their offspring, I bet most would say 'why must that it's we, who must start to do so'. Parents should bear some of tertiary education costs so their children could minimize the loan size.
I wont comment on the lifestyle since I haven't been in Malaysia for years and am not very active on social media. I do know that there have been criticism of luxurious expenses among youths in Malaysia. To what extent I don't know. But I do know that its not a Malaysian youth thing, but a global phenomenon. For our youths, the FOMO is now on global scale it seems and we need to understand that difference. Its a generational thing.
However from my conversations with friends here, I would say, if lifestyle sacrifice needs to be made due to financial constraints, its not going to be stop going to nice restaurants, stop buying nice clothes, no vacation etc, instead we will most probably favor secondhand goods, delay marriage, not marry and choose to not have/ have less children in order to preserve quality of life. Owning a home is probably optimistic for most. Most of us are quite positive towards using credit card for their benefits and favor using public transport. And we will probably favor WFH over going to work physically if the industry and job allows.
Birth rate are already falling, so soon Malaysia gonna have to start worrying about its population number and workforce and older generation probably.
Regarding parent bearing tertiary education cost, I think that's quite hard considering that public university don't have enough spaces. And private universities are expensive. Hence the loan schemes. This however can be rectified by equipping students and parents with better awareness of job demands and financial knowledge. As long as parents stop seeing higher education as the measure of their children success, and highschool grads understand what they are getting into, we may be able to do something about the current situation.
Well, this ended up a bit long. Those who survived until here, congratulations.
This post has been edited by AtenJieha: Mar 17 2024, 06:17 PM