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 Very few Malaysians can afford to reitre.. SAD!

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post Mar 14 2024, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Mar 14 2024, 02:13 AM)
retirement is a western idea.
all asian countries work till their 90s.
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guess ayam not eastern enough, ayam zero intention to work till full retirement age.

By that time, got money but got no health, even without illness, one cannot escape from aging effect.
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post Mar 14 2024, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Mar 14 2024, 09:54 AM)
Cannot simply allow euthanasia. I sappork only of person is terminally I'll and or in lots of pain that will endure prolong suffering. Call it MERCY.
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Euthanasia enpower ppl to have more control in their life. Retirement planning is difficult due to unpredictable life expectancy. Euthanasia enable ppl to remove that uncertainty to a certain degree and max out their utilisation of wealth before gg. innocent.gif
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post Mar 14 2024, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 14 2024, 10:03 AM)
900k with 3.5% inflation can makan till you 90yrs old. If expenses is 3k and average 6.1% div.

That still left you 400k incase you cannot die at 90 or some T20 funeral cost.
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What makes u think 900k is within reach of most Msian? 6.1% div get from where?
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post Mar 14 2024, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 14 2024, 10:14 AM)
If you cannot reach 900k, lower down your expenses. Get your butt out and work.

You can get 6.1% from maybank.  And even much more in another market. Learn and work harder to find. Not difficult.
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From EPF statistic, most will never get 900k even if they work till recommended retirement age.

It's not about work harder, bottom level kuli worked hard, just not getting paid as much as equivalent kuli in more advanced country. That's just the economy reality of this country.

Most low level white collar also not getting high pay, and with the advancement of AI, many white collar job will soon be displaced.
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post Mar 14 2024, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 14 2024, 10:34 AM)
Maybank is already very reliable. Div % I get from pass 20yrs and estimate the future.

Of course you can mix with epf and m2u with ratio.

And if you are smarter, high yield and hold some share will even better.
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u don't hold any foreign investment to hedge against MYR devaluation? All those syok sendiri EPF 5% dividend actually doesn't mean much when currency devaluation and effective inflation alone already wipe out the investment "growth" over time.
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post Mar 14 2024, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 14 2024, 10:42 AM)
This is the foreign investment.

"And if you are smarter, high yield and hold some share will even better."
I thought you believe in EPF?
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I believe EPF is generally a decent forced retirement saving mechanism. But regrettably it has been hijacked by politicians hence EPF cannot give higher return than its potential.

This post has been edited by iGamer: Mar 14 2024, 10:47 AM
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post Mar 14 2024, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(cakoilembutgebu @ Mar 14 2024, 11:01 AM)
Ever wonder why our government don't do shit about current obesity and obsession with potong kaki beverage and artery clogging food consumed by Malaysians? Because government secretly wants B40's to die early and not be a burden to KKM
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If true ayam support. Too bad those overly obese ppl will still suck up huge public health care expenditure b4 they gg.
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post Mar 14 2024, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(cnks @ Mar 14 2024, 12:08 PM)
I don't think the 4 withdrawals have any major impact in ability to retire. If the withdrawals of (I forgot how much cumulatively, say RM40k?) makes you not able to retire, you are not able to retire anyway with or without the withdrawals.

Government should look at other factors, instead of just conveniently blaming the withdrawals, like salary is not keeping up with the living costs, brain drain, lagging in many opportunities, etc.
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Those 40k thru compound interest could become 106k in 20 years (5% annual growth).

If you look further than mere figures, those irresponsible withdrawal from the forced saving fund further deteriorate the good habit to save for future, it promotes the attitude to only focus on short term and ignore the future.
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post Mar 14 2024, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(Atrocious @ Mar 14 2024, 01:34 PM)
Retire? Better stack pillow and think properly..

BKT now RM28/pax

https://www.chinapress.com.my/20240313/%e8%...b0%b4%e9%b1%bc/

Fried egg now RM4.50/pcs

https://www.chinapress.com.my/20240314/%e4%...bb%b7%ef%bc%9f/
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Fry your own eggs, one egg 50 sen je
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post Mar 14 2024, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(bmiph @ Mar 14 2024, 04:19 PM)
Retirement means different things to different people.
For some, still need to work, part time maybe like Grab.
For some, means enjoy life, go overseas trip like 4x a year.
For some, weekend fine dining.
For some, drive around and go places in Msia, foodie hunting. Cuti Cuti Malaysia.
Pick up hobby like carpentry or drawing also need money.

The amount needed varies from person to person, locality to locality.
EPF only states the minimum requirements for most people.
If you are outlier (high end side), then work on it to get more $$ before retire lor.

I read before, to retire need 3 things:
1. Health
2. Wealth
3. Three hobbies.
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can elaborate on the 3 hobbies? Ayam don't even have 3 hobbies while working.
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post Mar 14 2024, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(seather @ Mar 14 2024, 04:29 PM)
retire and survive.. i think most msia still can la..

retire with dignity.. now that is a dream for many..

while some T1 work until they die because they dunno how else to live.. lol
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what is retire with dignity?
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post Mar 14 2024, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(seather @ Mar 14 2024, 04:48 PM)
to retire with enough cash to maintain your current lifestyle (of course some changes due to age is expected) and have some leftovers for the kids...

for example, my parents late 70s now..
- no more loans
- still got medical insurance coverage until age 100 (of course co-pay) with annual premium of 12k
- still have their annual oversea trips and hobbies
- still can splurge on meals and shopping as before without counting the pennies..
- still can change car when it is time
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seems like T20 or higher kind of retirement.

I guess majority will not have retirement with dignity cry.gif
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post Mar 14 2024, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(KeyMochi @ Mar 14 2024, 04:52 PM)
Sudahlah bro i tired d reading ketard economist wannabes give lecture as if they have oracle power to see the future not to mention delusional. Everyday open tered myr down economy down semua down as if straight poor kenot live anymore. Let them be.
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ktards recommended retirement fund is RM4m
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post Mar 14 2024, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(commonsense @ Mar 14 2024, 05:03 PM)
U forgot anak itu rezeki? Anak tanggung lah. One anak give 500. 5 anak = rm2500 per month. Enough to makan rite? Your epf can generate rm2.5k or not?
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600k epf @5% dividend will give u RM2.5k dividend/mth

But chances are out of the 5 rezeki, if one turn out really charsiew also can turn the parents pokai and poor at golden age. And rezeki plan no longer applicable to Chinese, most already said they don't expect their children to support them financially, hence new gen also won't be giving money to parents when they start working.
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post Mar 14 2024, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Mar 14 2024, 05:04 PM)
T20?? That is T5 lifestyle...
T20 KL household starts at RM15k... per person RM7k salary GROSS....
Even with that salary while working.. I don't think you can do

- still have their annual oversea trips and hobbies
- still can splurge on meals and shopping as before without counting the pennies..
- still can change car when it is time

Unless your oversea trips limited to Asia.... + low cost hobbies...

Splurge meals only weekends and shopping once a month for high street brand not luxury brand...

change car after 9 years.....

all that with most likely ZERO savings cause still got housing loan... kids... and other expenditure....
Zero savings how to continue such lifestyle in the future where you only could afford like 21% of your existing salary maxx.....
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ayam not TXX, so ayam always humble by 20k ktards. sweat.gif
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post Mar 14 2024, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(sunami @ Mar 14 2024, 05:17 PM)
Your Retirement Funds at Age 55
You will need
Based on your choice*:
RM 2,148,075
For 25 years
Until 80 years old
You have about
RM 2,050,104
Approx. for 25 years
Until 79 years old

cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif  deficit

btw..it din take into consideration that the amount you have is generating passive income?
then not accurate lo
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that calculator use 2/3 of last salary as basis of post retirement monthly spending, ayam definitely don't need that much. Even when working only use less than 30%, no reason after retirement spend more than before retirement sweat.gif

By adjusting the expected monthly money required, the calculator result show I am already able to retire now (with my frugal lifestyle).
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post Mar 14 2024, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(sunami @ Mar 14 2024, 05:51 PM)
Tat means u already achieve /k standard celery..
67% of 20k is a lot... But not b40 celery..
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Regrettably ayam not 20k ktards, just a frugal pipit.

 

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