I like Toyota Corolla Cross a lot, very hensem
But can't buy now because facelift version already launched in Thailand, so must wait a bit buy facelift version

Want buy EV but i am pusi, so buy hybrid next best thing
Rapiji will discontinue petrol subsidy anyway, cant imagine filling full tank rm140 in my current X50 and getting 350km mileage

So want ask here

I readed Toyota hybrid and Honda hybrid both seems bestest.
But which one is more bestest actually?

Corolla Cross hybrid vs HRV hybrid

Come bincang

bezza jer la...

wait for P2 hybrid la, jimat wang still get Toyolta

topup abit BYD seal

btw TS if both of these ur consideration, go for HRV eHEV la. 131PS/ 253nm vs 98/142nm . quite sad to see the latter .

parking here.

tho i have honda city hybrid on my mind right now but im open to other suggestions.

PS : i would take sedan because i already have ativa

Both Toyota and Honda are industry leaders when it comes to hybrid vehicles, so it can be tough to choose between them. Here's a breakdown to help you decide:

Toyota Hybrids

Strengths:
Proven reliability: Toyota has been refining their hybrid system for over 25 years, making it very dependable
Longer warranty on hybrid battery (10 years/150,000 miles) compared to Honda (8 years/100,000 miles)
More available features on some models, like the Intelligent Clearance Sonar with Rear Cross-Traffic Braking

Weaknesses:
Less engaging driving experience compared to Honda hybrids
Braking feel can be less smooth at low speeds

Honda Hybrids

Strengths:
Sportier handling and more engaging to drive
Smoother braking feel, especially at lower speeds
Offers a unique "B" drive mode that increases regenerative braking for better downhill control

Weaknesses:
Shorter warranty on hybrid battery
Hybrid system design might have slightly more complex components compared to Toyota

Toyota also gives 8 years warranty on Hybrid system.. need to add around rm2k for extend to 10years.

My Honda hybrid battery dieding on the 10th 12th year. (2011 - 2023).. it still can move but no more start stop which means it cannot hold enough charge anymore to enable that feature.
But tech has come a long way. When it was working.. it worked flawlessly. Mine was IMA. It's now a different architecture.

This post has been edited by Capt. Marble: Mar 8 2024, 11:02 AM

You ask any person who work on hybrid got anyone recommend Honda over Toyota? That's your answer.

Honda only famous for it's VTEC engine, the rest better get others.

Chery Wumaoda E5 >>>> all

That's pure engine. For toyota you need to add motor 72ps and 163nm torque

RB winning F1 for past 3 years using hybrid engine from Honda yoh

Buy hrv turbo la. Hrv hybrid is for waterfish.

Cross hybrid you might want to wait for the facelift version

Hrv hybrid same powertrain with city hybrid. Due to lighter weight the city have longer mileage.



This post has been edited by stevenryl86: Mar 8 2024, 11:03 AM

Problem with that is first batch

Which one has better & higher autonomous driving?

ayam using cibik eHEV. AMA

i tried all, cibik/CRV the bestest hybrid. have performance n efficient fuel. hrv/city hybrid also ok2 but engine abit noisy

toyota corolla cross tak ada power, feels like driving normal ice car

Toyota Corolla Cross has better and higher autonomous driving. Toyota gives full package.

Honda stingy in giving extra features.

Prius was the initial successful hybrid tech done by toyota...

Toyota is more efficiency building hybrids than other counterparts...
most models are classified...
Super Ultra-Low Emissions vehicles (SULEV) by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

give drillz of your civic hybrid then i belip

Honda ehev works like range extender. Tune for performance. Very seldom will lock engine to tires. Mostly charge the battery and powering the electric motor. It gives u exposure how ev feels like.

While toyota hybrid are tune for FC. Both engine and electric motor can power the wheels. But performance wise, honda ehev is better while FC toyota can give better FC.

This post has been edited by death_nite: Mar 8 2024, 11:14 AM

FYI, Le Mans winners Toyota hybrid 2018~2022
That is 24 hours endurance, which is even more hardcore compare to F1.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_24_Ho...Le_Mans_winners

This post has been edited by littlefire: Mar 8 2024, 11:16 AM

toyota

honda ehev


nissan e power




This post has been edited by fantasy1989: Mar 8 2024, 11:17 AM

cant see, your gambar mati. error

I own a Toyota Cross Hybrid. The power/pick-up is lesser than my Honda City. When cornering, I feel the Toyota Cross Hybrid is more planted than my Honda City. Maybe it is the TNGA technology.

After all, I don't drive very fast. Usually 100km/h in highway and less than 40km/h-60km/h in normal road.

I get around 620km for 36 liter of fuel on my Toyota Cross Hybrid.

If you are interested on looks and want to gain a few points among the ladies then go for Honda.

If you are married and don't care about looks then Toyota Cross Hybrid.

Btw, my friend said my Toyota Cross Hybrid cabin noise is lower (more quiet) than Honda HRV.

updated

researchgate i think u need access their page to get it loaded

i'm a car illiterate, can i get which one is the best and why?

If it was me, I would go for Toyota for reliability and peace of mind.

Both also cannot charge with charger

the new cross. still with footbrake ka?

1.5 ba 2.0 of course la

Not recommended since Plug In Hybrid adds more complexity to the system.

I am using honda city hybrid idcd for 6 years now.
So far so good.

~750km full tank. Just need to refuel once every 2 weeks, sometimes 3 weeks or even 1 month if i really hypermile it to the max.

Bear in mind, it uses dry DCT gearbox, hence need to take extra care and avoid creeping during heavy traffic jems.

Other than that, it’s a wonderful car.

Honda hybrid tech:
iMA - 1st gen
idcd - 2nd gen
iMMD - 3rd gen (latest)


But right now, my mind is into EV.
Tesla Y Juniper facelift with hybrid NMC + LFP battery that could yield ~800km per full charge kinda pique my interest now.

EPB

Time to watch toyolta fangays change narrative how footbrake no longer the best and most reliable.

This post has been edited by msacras: Mar 8 2024, 11:35 AM

So, did you change the hybrid battery or trash / dispose your car?

If Toyota Prius comes into Malaysia market and the price is about the same as Corolla cross, there is no second thought to take the Prius.

If you want hybrid, Toyota has the best hybrid system in the market. Honda doesnt even come close

sorry but what do you mean avoid creeping during heavy traffic jems? Like lane changings?

Besa ialah satu huruh T, satu H

Creeping = move a bit then stop then move and repeat

Basically DSG don’t like these repetitive low speed gear engage disengage.

i see. Does this bad factor affects on most hybrid cars or only honda hybrid cars specifically?

This post has been edited by Clowninja: Mar 8 2024, 11:57 AM

If you want style & love speeding = honda
If you just drive like oldman = toyota.

simple.

This is bodo, even my 16years old car can do more than 800km with RM150 full tank.

You wumao buy jap car do what? Ccp is the best, xipeepee pee on your face

Toyota has hybrid system since first gen Prius, and Camry XV50 has been using it for more than a decade, i would say the technology enhanced a lot along these years.
Honda no comment.

This post has been edited by submergedx: Mar 8 2024, 12:08 PM

x90 also hybrid what

owai

this is hypothetical when tade subsidy


now fill rm70 can go 350km
later when ron95 double to rm4 per liter then ggwp. rm140 for 350km

thank you madani

This post has been edited by JoeK: Mar 8 2024, 12:11 PM

RM150 full tank based on fuel price after subsidy removed later on...not the current price

need to change master brake pump and inverter soon ?

cost loads of money

remember the time p2 show cased a prototype EV of the axia / myvi? then suddenly we let tesla in and then they diam2 alot? lels
they are like that script kiddies that copy and paste from real smart people and then show off like they are the real deal then when the big boys come into town then they disappear like nothing

Toyota: Primary is engine running the car, electric motor and engine runs the car together
Honda: Primary is electric motor running the car. Engine generate power to the electric motor, electric motor runs the car

Minyak kan murah

Toyolda = mother of Berukdua = world no.1 anti-EV car manufacturer

You think they'll allow Berukdua to release EV?

i suggest go for toyota more reliable

Toyota hybrid is well matured compare to Honda one.

Inb4 u ask mean u cant afford

long lasting i believe toyota..as it is there in market for decade and prius is like everywhere in US



i remember toyota they patented their gearbox ..i remember the name is like star gear or what

which allowed power from hybrid motor and engine to switch or co-power it to tyre

thats why honda n other they have to "innovate" it with different way

Honda eHEV instead of having single gearbox ..they have 2 separate connection to wheel

nissan is purely driven by motor and engine as generator

bz4x not ev?

they still will do ; be it own development or co-owned with other manufacturer to leverage their tech

but wont be their main focus

BYD and toyota formed partnership on EV development for china market

To me, hybrid sounded like neither here nor there.

With ICE, you only have to worry about the engine.
With EV, you only have to worry about the battery.

With Hybrid, have to worry about both the engine and the battery.

With China's EV now entering price war in Malaysia, soon, you can get one EV cheap.

I have only test driven the Honda's. When exceeding the national speed limit, the performance lost out to the pure turbo engine.

your Cross hybrid apa review?

got go touge genting?

one have good-looking interior

the other like bas express dashboard

Only on the old hybrid, DCT. The current gen don’t have such

understood.

With a heavy heart, I sold it off.

Got one Pauline tan article explaining the similarities n differences between the two hybrids.

I was quoted outside for the battery RM 4500 and the fan for RM 980. Not sure about the invertor. With Honda the battery alone was quoted around RM 6k. A relive actually as it was once >RM 10k. I guess battery prices do come down.
Didn't have issues with the master brake pump.
Sadly, I sold it off after much thinking.

This post has been edited by Capt. Marble: Mar 8 2024, 03:11 PM

Everyone really has very different beauty standards.

In terms of financials, if subsidy goes away, your fuel cost will increase by X amount every month. By purchasing a hybrid, you probably get to save something on fuel but you may still have to pay higher cost (loan, insurance, etc).

But both cars are very different in how they drive.

Fast Vs Relaxed

Toyota hybrid reliability does not apply here in Malaysia
Very simple.
You look at Toyota Prius in Malaysia. All the owners I know had their hybrid battery replaced before hitting 150k km. One of close friend had his replaced at 112k km, 6 years old car at the time.
From what I know, Prius hybrid battery warranty is only 8 years, not 10 years. Even current generation Toyota hybrids only 8 years warranty on battery, the extra 2 years warranty is you need to pay additional money on top of your vehicle purchase price at the point of vehicle purchase or during the first 12 months of vehicle ownership . Just like you pay for Apple Care.
It is written at Toyota Malaysia website.

If you look at Honda Insight, many of them still running on their original battery from the factory.

You can't generalize Honda hybrids because there are so many versions of it today.
1. I-MMD version from Insight, CRZ and earlier Jazz Hybrid
2. I-DCD version from GM City and previous HRV Hybrid with 7 speed DCT gearbox but both of them have different engines, the City runs on Atkinson cycle, HRV runs on Otto cycle. City has a rougher engine sound than HRV.
3. e-HEV version GN City , HRV and CRV , more like a range extender EV than a conventional hybrid.

mine cross 1.8V

not hybrid mia

1 word = underpower

but enough to use ..if u just want to cruise around ..that day baru drive cross go KL instead of using benz ..so far ok

just the wind cut noise is quite noisy once reach 120

This post has been edited by fantasy1989: Mar 8 2024, 04:31 PM

nah. fyi only crv rs and civic hybrid got card key

Mantap bossku

Uncle

how thin the card? how many mm? together with key 1 the card?

👍🏻

After trying camry hybrid i expected cross hybrid to perform better than non hybrid cross

Mana tau both feels the same. Underpower

If i transplant ativa turbo at cross hybrid can or not?

Kasi tekan tekan preggy

Hybrid Toyolta > all. But cibik more chan get amoi bj. Damn

Ativa body is around 1000kg
Cross is 1400kg

maybe will affect the pikap

Any other turbo engine to consider?

no..but sweet spot for cross weight should be 1.6T

if there are any

Brandnya yang berbeza

thickness of 2 cards stacked

Sure or not? Or just sembang kencang only?

Maintenance still same as petrol. As for ev their main income will come from tire replacement.

Fill full rm70 currently can get around 350km for my X50

If no subsidy price becomes rm4 per liter, then yes