Hi guys..

Any idea about having an AI processor ? Intel Core Ultra . Is it a gimmick ? does it really have any real function.
I was thinking getting a new laptop for my kid entering PreUni and then Monash University

In my time only paper and pen.

Wondering for these combinations, which is better set up
Zenbook 14inch laptop (mainly for light weight) and Samsung tab 8 or 9 series ? Need go pro version kah
Zenbook 14 inch and Ipad pro or Ipad - will it encounter transferring data prob and how to overcome it ?

Thks a lot

At least it has AI chip inside, unlike some phones...

TS, may I know for what course your kid is going to study?

First gen is always for water fish pioneer.

Ryzen 7000 also AI processor

Hi. planning for Medicine ..
I heard lecture mainly online. with less face to face physical class nowadays

just get macbook m1 cheap la

macbook

Oh ok.

Recommended specs for laptop:
A. Intel or AMD processors. AMD processors cheap a bit.
B. Minimum 16 GB RAM
C. Storage: Get laptops models that using SSD or NVME SSD.
D. With Nvidia or AMD Graphics cards.

Please do not buy dual core laptops la

Preferably laptops many types of port, or at least buy HDMI to VGA adapters for presentations

havent visited any college /university for pass 20years. No one use pen & paper anymore right ? Student take notes either using laptop or ipad / samsung tab ?

still possible to buy dual core laptop?

Ok noted HDMI to VGA port ..
Can ipad pro or samsung tab connect to projectors? , really noob me..

samsung tab can connect to projector using usbC to HDMI cable/dongle.
for student, i still suggest proper laptop rather than tablet.

"AI" laptop is just a marketing gimmick same like the "AI" phone from samsung.

Which monash uni u heading to ? The one in malaysia or australia.
If malaysia one , then dont buy a macbook and ipad pro. Buy a proper windows laptop. You will need to install some software for your course, better get windows to be safe.
The AI might be gimmick or might not but rumours being Windows 12 requirement need an NPU which is an AI component of the CPU

This post has been edited by k!nex: Mar 6 2024, 05:14 PM

macbook air m3, quote from apple

Buy a laptop based on what your kid requires rather than falling for the branding. The AI NPU in Intel is generally used for things such as facial recognition, background blurring, noise cancellation. While apple's neural engine does the same and is accessible to users who does data science ML work. As you indicate medicine is the preferred programme so you want a device that is stable and has long battery life rather than absolute processing power.

A decent intel/AMD laptop with 16GB and 512 of SSD storage with good after-sales support is what you need. Alternatively a macbook air with 16GB/512Gb of storage + applecare is excellent as well as its powerful, cool and very power efficient i.e. long battery life.

Allow your kid some money to subscribe to google drive, onedrive or icloud to backup his work. Laptops/tablets may breakdown and having his work on the cloud is good insurance.

For note-taking even a base ipad gen10 + apple pencil is good enough.

Presentations can generally be done remotely via Google Workspace/O365. But if a dongle is required can get it cheaply from shopee ie. USB C to HDMI dongle. VGA connection is getting very rare in unis, mostly HDMI.

This post has been edited by rush3508: Mar 6 2024, 05:24 PM

Malaysia Monash. I see. Thks alot. ! Noted mainly need window software.
I seen Zenbook might be a better.. Very Lightweight..

yes lenovo ideapad with Celeron N4500 they should be thrown to dustbin

Ok google drive Noted. USB C to HDMI dongle.

Ipad gen10 + Apple pencil .. will the Ipad note taken compatible when transfer to window laptop ? I believe it cannot be airdrop. And no bluetooth as well. Can only be transfered via icloud (need subscription) or google drive

Ipad can take notes on O365 onenote which is accessible via App/cloud. This makes it transferrable between any devices.

I saw that you wrote Monash requires a lot of windows application. FYI Monash or generally private unis will provide software licenses to students during the entire course of their study and generally the licenses are both for Windows and Mac platform. You might want to double check on the list of software, speak to the university tech support for better clarity.

refer to the university's IT policy and software catalogue:

https://www.monash.edu/esolutions/students/...own-device-byod
https://www.monash.edu/esolutions/software/catalogue

I disagree with previous poster on Malaysia Monash must use Windows based. As someone who are familiar most unis are platform agnostic esp for Medicine or Pre-U programmes. Yes there are specific software that are platform dependent e.g. SAS etc but you wont generally encounter that.

anything celeron or athlon should burn with fire, once own a celeron chromebook, lag until youtube 720p cant even play

If u're heading to malaysia monash. Some advice if you're buying a laptop for use in that campus if you want less headache with compatibility with their infra.

1. Get a laptop with Intel Wireless adaptor. Many older Macbooks and Microsoft Surface often get weird problems logging in to their WiFi captive portal, authentication issues. So better buy Intel rigs rather than AMD because AMD ones usually pair with with Mediatek WiFi adaptors. Avoid Realtek WiFi cards at all cost. Monash staff laptops mostly run on Intel WiFi adaptors.

2. Test the laptop with Google Spreadsheets and Excel, see whether can see the greyish box that separate each cell. Cheaper laptops have so poor screen that you can hardly see the cell divider. Yes , monash heavily depends on google apps. Dont buy something with a display that has less than 300 nits of brightness , you cannot see anything outdoor during the day.

3. The classrooms have HDMI and Display port input to allow students to do presentations . But wireless presentation are in very limited venue only. Thts y dont buy Apple , if not you have buy countless of adaptors. They always go missing somehow, ppl forget to take back, or dropped it somewhere.

4. 32GB of RAM is prefered since your medical course is 6 years. That is on the safe side of things to ensure you dont need to ditch the laptop because not enough memory before you graduate.

5. Depends on you , but i dont see Zenbook is a smart for u. As i know , Asus dont have onsite support service in Malaysia. You have to send it to service center yourself. For KL , i know its in lowyat. But for you , first year medical course will be in Sunway , after that , off to Johor you go... So... I much prefer Lenovo but make sure you subscribe to at least 3 years onsite support warranty.

Don’t buy windows laptop, later your son will just play games. Just go for iPad and Macbook will do.

Yes, now kids use iPad for note taking.

No software lah. His son study medicine.

I think if serious about AI, need to get laptop with GPU like Nvidia 4070?

So that can use AI stuff like Stable Diffusion smoothly ?

I think Intel Core Ultra is like a booster only.

Not sure, correct me if I'm wrong.


Edit: Anyway, can always pay to run on Cloud I think or maybe got free tier:
https://www.quora.com/Can-I-run-stable-diff...hout-a-good-GPU

This post has been edited by ericcheng2021: Mar 6 2024, 06:10 PM

Exactly. Here ktards getting spread more and more rumors, tak boleh tahan. Now all moving to app based, SaaS and MacOS is the best for now. But they die die want promote windows. Pengsan.

TS, you can check this out:





This post has been edited by xiaojohn: Mar 6 2024, 06:12 PM

IBM SPSS statistics is 1 that i know must use for medicine in Monash.
The rest im not sure.

This post has been edited by k!nex: Mar 6 2024, 06:13 PM

SPSS is no longer relevant.

even if yes, i don't think he will need to use it, as they don't need to do experiments and wet lab.

If software for AI/ML/Data analysis/Precision Medicine - most likely only python.

i think his son will mainly on theory studies about the disease and biology if medicine.

What rumours. Malaysia Apple never offer next business day onsite service like other brands. They do have such thing in Australia. Even Apple Care is different in Malaysia. In Australia , there is Apple Care + that includes accidental damage , here tarak.
Mac rosak have to send in service center yourself. Then 1 week tarak machine pakai

you can see:

https://www.monash.edu.my/study/undergradua...abs__2608997-02

The areas of study covered include:
molecules, cells and tissues
human development and growth
genomics
musculoskeletal system
cardiovascular system
respiratory system
renal and endocrine systems
gastrointestinal system
neurosciences
reproduction
human behaviour
nutrition
geriatrics
immunology
infectious disease
reflective practice
research and statistics
determinants of health
quality assurance
public health and population health
health systems and health economics
patient safety
communication skills
ethics and law
teamwork and leadership
professionalism.

How noob buy laptop

1. buy the top spec if rich
2. buy the lowest spec if poor.

both for waterfish



student, medicine. digital at the least.

get a laptop that have best battery life

dont buy those with gpu if u dont want him gaming.

uncle so old also can learn and change, but you cannot?

Mac rosak? just buy a new one lah, then just log-in AppleID - problems solved.

Apa next day service? Uncle MBAM1 use so long also no need repair.

Exactly.

Uncle second your answer.

There are many gaming kaki among guys in Monash; after gaming, then maybe they are compare/race car, clubbing, social network etc;

For a laptop, MBA so far the best choice.

U 1 ppl use no need repair or claim warranty only. Doesnt mean it applies to every Macbook user. It is a machine , it will break down eventually. If everyone is like you , then wats the point of warranty ? And why does Apple needs to sell Apple Care in the first place ?

Uncle .. so old already then saupei laa. Dont act pandai. Compatibility is 1 thing that Apple is lacking. That is a fact , and these days BootCamp is no more , so even if you want to run Windows apps also cannot. Need to buy 3rd party app, even then, also compatibility issue because Apple SOC lacks AVX instruction set.

Uncle u saupei and dont act pandai laa...shameful u know.
U dare or not take my challenge ?? I say their Med school needs SPSS. .
You not even in this field but want act pandai and promote your Apple fanboi mentality.

I worked in education sector for almost 9 years in IT department.

even they really need, just go run the one/two way ANOVA from library PC lah. what so difficult?

p/s: SPSS is the most useless software, and medicine didn't do wet lab, i don't think they will need SPSS at the end of the day.

This post has been edited by xiaojohn: Mar 6 2024, 06:38 PM

Then it defeats the purpose of a buying a laptop . Monash Malaysia promotes BYOD. Many years ago , students can borrow laptops from library , now no more. Even before MCO, there are plans to remove all PC from library, leaving tables for BYOD .

You dont act pandai laa.. i know what they use in that campus , you dont. Let me give u some hints first.

Macs battery is farrr superior than windows.

downside??

even u can get cheap outdated m1 mac
those accessories will still kill u.

charging cable already pricier than powerbank

medicine is medicine. not science.

which science you are from? biomed? biotech?

charging cable? you can use any charging cable lah bro.

By the way, you know MBBS or MD course doesn't study the same topic as you right?

people buy macs takut non official cable rosak thier macs....

if uncle see this kind of people, uncle will give them a long lecture.

Also, SPSS is a very small part of the analysis of the samples/in experiments. nothing else. for exam, probably they will need to use paper, to solve with mindmap and theory steps. no computer needed.

This post has been edited by xiaojohn: Mar 6 2024, 06:56 PM

AI chips can be potential invasion of privacy!...

a malicious code or operation trained into the AI chip can be hidden where a person for example trigger a certain message, email, sms or sms from a certain phone number with a certain msg. AI being one of your base system can trigger operations or processes it was trained to do.

Apple 16-neutral engine (AI chip) is different.

Uncle... You need to update yourself . Since 2019 , Malaysia campus started moving to paperless exam , e-exam. All run using computers. Even in year 2020 MCO lockdown times , students were doing exams at home . Have to on webcam , there were invigilators from Australia exam team that supervised the students remotely. If they see students looking around or doing something fishy, they're screwed , accuse of cheating.
Practical exams for MBBS of course use practical means.

Hotel Management maybe?

lidat he can utilize the lappie for gaming efficiently and skip class.

As long as you cant know what was trained in the npu, you will never know...

Old mobile phones and computers would be gold , in the age of AI where people would want privacy...

Even windows 11 , with its cockpilot... having access to whatever you do in your PC and what you type... i dont really trust it... Its just invasion of privacy from my standpoint.

imagine storing and writing down your keriptos seed phrase onto notepad ...

to be downloaded onto thumbdrive...



Then you foundout kokpilot oredi have access to what you have type into notepad...

My personal view is that windows with kokpilot integration is spyware that i don't need... Thats why i still stick to Windows 10...

but owaittt...



they coming for your Windows 10 as well... with KB5033372 update... dec last year

that is so different:

#1 Apple 16-Neural engine is SOC and on the chip/in the device itself only; nothing is upload to server for the ML.

#2 Microsoft/Windows AI is mainly utilized the server pc power, they don't do the ML/AI processor locally in the devices, but in the server/supercomputer that host the server.

get macbook je..

so, in what situation the medicine student need to use SPSS?

Of course for class and coursework. That is BYOD for u.

Thats bullshit. The reason why client side computing put NPU or AI is because they want processing side in the client , for security and data privacy reasons.
You dont need your rig to have AI capability to run ChatGPT. That is because AI processing on server side.

However video editing relying on AI on the NPU is on client side and do locally on the client, not relying on what supercomputer.

Both Apple and x86 AI have the same concept.

There is an Intel demo here.



This post has been edited by k!nex: Mar 6 2024, 07:35 PM

Please read properly, that’s exactly what uncle said.

Which windows laptop have AI chip?

Puik

This post has been edited by xiaojohn: Mar 6 2024, 07:43 PM

Refurbished thinkpad

Built like a tank

thank you guys for the healthy debates.. love the spirit of lowyat forummers.
i roughly have a clearer picture what to take..

My kid and i are not really in IOS system, hv been using android and PC all these while.. dont get me wrong.. i love macbook..
my Macbookpro is really good and reliably stable (but i bootcamped it .. hahaha) already 11 years only changed keyboard and battery
M1 chips i think got prob in bootcamping..
Zen book have OLED display would be great to learn anatomy with bright and sharp images ..
i believe compatibility would be more important .. ..


As for AI processors hmmn,,, video editing lie a pro sounds fun,, we might hv to move along with new age tech and embrace it... no matter how unsecure we felt at current moment.. we need to be progressive our self .. or would be left out in rat race.

As for note taking.. ipad would be cheaper than samsung tab 9series

Thanks.. u guys awesome

Generate AI image and answer will be extreme fast.
27 years ago its MMX ( multimedia extension )

uncle also wants to buy a laptop...
I'm waiting for the snapdragon, bought the xiaomipad6 max14 rubbish betul.

Incoming Microsoft laptop.
https://www.lowyat.net/2024/318060/microsof...rface-21-march/

please avoid xiaomi....no jokes, they cheat a lot inside you cannot see...

just buy ipad pro/mcbook air

feels like bandwagon