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post Feb 20 2024, 12:18 PM, updated 2y ago

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Living in a foreign country for a long stretch is like embarking on a big adventure that totally transforms you.
You’re constantly soaking up new experiences, which can change the way you see the world and even who you are. It’s all about finding your footing in a new culture while still holding onto your own roots.

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That was the journey of Tham Mao Shen, a 28-year-old Malaysian who’s been living in Japan since 2014. Born and raised in Alor Setar, Kedah, Tham’s got a story that’s all about adapting to the land of the rising sun while still holding onto his roots.

‘I moved for the money’
Speaking to WeirdKaya, Tham’s reply when asked why he moved to Japan was rather candid: “To be very honest, it was the money.”
While financial stability was the main factor that drew him to Japan, Tham revealed that over time, his reasons for staying have since evolved. “Nowadays, it’s all about comfort,” he said.

Remarkably, Tham made the move to Japan at just 17 years old, a bold step that would shape his future in profound ways.
Reflecting on his upbringing in Malaysia, Tham describes a life centred around routine tasks like attending tuition classes and preparing for exams such as PMR and SPM.

However, his transition to Japan opened doors to new experiences and opportunities, leading him to acknowledge that he now possesses a deeper understanding of Japan than his homeland—a realisation that weighed heavily on him.

Upon touching down in Japan, Tham’s initial impressions of the country was one of awe and wonder.
Everything seemed fresh and vibrant, from the picturesque cities to the distinct seasons, with winter leaving an indelible impression on me with its biting cold and temperatures hovering between 5 to 10 degrees Celsius.
“Another aspect that stood out to me was the meticulous cleanliness maintained by the Japanese people—a stark contrast to what I was accustomed to back in Malaysia,” he shared.

‘Sleep is for the weak, you sleep when you die’
As for his educational journey, Tham recounted that after completing SPM, he set off for Japan with a group of Malaysians with the purpose of studying Japanese at a local school for a year.

To enroll into a Japanese university, one needs to have completed 12 years of formal education, whereas in Malaysia, it only involves six years of primary school and five years of secondary school.
As such, that one year was crucial for Tham to fulfill the educational requirements in Tokyo.

During this time, he had to take two tests: the Japanese Language Proficiency Test (JLPT) and the Examination for Japanese University Admission for International Students (EJU), which is akin to Malaysia’s SPM but for foreigners.

Upon completion of these tests, he applied to universities and was accepted into Niigata University. This prompted his move from Tokyo to Niigata, transitioning from the city to the countryside.
His academic pursuit focused on architecture, spanning six years encompassing both his master’s and bachelor’s degrees.

The four years of his bachelor’s degree were described as a mix of enjoyment and hardship. However, after four years, apprehensions about entering the workforce led him to pursue a master’s degree. Ironically, upon beginning his master’s, he found himself disliking it intensely.


My motto while pursuing my bachelor’s degree was ‘Sleep is for the weak, you sleep when you die’. However, my perspective shifted during my Master’s degree. I don’t regret the time spent. I just regret the education.
“While my Master’s degree journey wasn’t challenging per se, it was laden with research and output, which was akin to paying for a visa to stay in Japan,” he said.

When asked about his language proficiency, Tham noted that he considered himself proficient in four languages, namely Japanese, Chinese, English, and Malay.

Pined for family & work-life balance
When questioned about what he missed the most during his time in Japan, Tham expressed longing for local food and, most importantly, his family.

Many people don’t realise that when you video call your parents occasionally, you start noticing strands of gray hair on them.
“When you’re in your home country, you see your parents regularly so you don’t notice changes as much. But after a while of being apart, you see the changes immediately and that can be quite scary,” he recounted.

Tham also shared that another challenging aspect of his life in Japan was finding a job that wouldn’t require him giving up on his sleep and social life.
“When I was searching for a job, I realised that staying out late and sacrificing sleep wasn’t the lifestyle I wanted. It contradicted who I am; I enjoy interacting with people and speaking multiple languages.

“A senior colleague suggested I apply for a position in overseas sales and I eventually got the job. Initially, I exported Japanese tools to various countries like Korea and Taiwan, but after two years, I felt stagnant and sought new opportunities.”

Utilising platforms like LinkedIn, Tham later secured a role in sales at an influencer marketing agency, where he currently works at in Tokyo.

Being patronised at work
When asked about the influence of being a foreigner in Japan on his treatment at work, Tham shared that he occupies a peculiar position due to his East Asian appearance, where he’s often being mistaken for a Japanese person.
“At first glance, people don’t immediately recognise me as a foreigner, allowing me to blend in. However, once they become aware of my foreign status, their demeanor tends to change. They may speak slower, which can sometimes come across as patronising.

Nonetheless, I don’t necessarily view this as entirely negative. It can be convenient as I feel less pressured to conform to certain expectations. This is me trying to find a positive angle in how I’m being treated.

Tham also dispelled the notion that Japanese people are usually exceptionally polite, adding that this was quite evident in the customer service line.
“While they mostly are, particularly in the hospitality and service industry, it’s just another part of the job requirement.
“In Tokyo, the reality is somewhat different and annoying at times. Japanese people are not always extremely polite and they tend not to show much concern. There have been occasions where I made mistakes, and instead of offering assistance, they simply took over the task originally assigned to me,” he remarked.

‘Other people’s opinion don’t matter to me’
Given the fact that travelling to a foreign country, let alone residing there, is a big decision to make, Tham said he had received his parents’ blessing and encouragement before the big move, something he believes is vital.

Ultimately, as long as my parents approve of my decisions, I’m content. Other people’s opinions don’t matter to me.
As for those looking to relocate to Japan, I’d suggest acquiring basic Japanese language skills upon completing their studies so that they can pursue opportunities in the country,” he said.

Tham also offered several insights of living in Japan, where he revealed that one will be bound to experience inequality, racism, and cultural differences.

People should realise that there will always be sh*tty people around
. The best thing to do is to simply move away from them.
“It’s also important to step out of your comfort zone and engage with individuals from different cultural backgrounds rather than exclusively interacting with fellow Malaysians only.
“That way, you won’t feel like you’re still in Malaysia. Rather, you’ll truly experience being in a different country,” he advised.

Battling loneliness
As it always is with living in a foreign land, Tham has had his fair share of loneliness while living and working in a bustling city like Tokyo.

Japan can be very lonely. It’s quite difficult to make friends. It doesn’t matter if you’re Japanese or not; everyone feels lonely in Tokyo.
“In light of this, I recommend proactively making friends online before arriving in Japan using platforms like HelloTalk to establish connections and mitigate feelings of isolation.”

While Tham strongly encourages Malaysians like him to seize the opportunity to live abroad when it comes, he’s also calling for it to be tempered with due diligence.
“If you’re financially able to do it, go ahead. If not, seek for scholarships or work part-time to ensure you have the means to survive before making the move.”

Source: I’m A M’sian Who’s Been Living In Japan Since 2014. Here’s How It’s Like Being A Foreigner In Another Country
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He is also foreigners in Malaysia with lower status

His homeland has become Taliban state.

All the more reason to leave.

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post Feb 20 2024, 12:27 PM

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going there at 17 to study for years and how he make money ?
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QUOTE(limfreelance @ Feb 20 2024, 12:27 PM)
macan anak kaya jer... look at the room and display.
and look at the room of those who jump airplane
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conlanfirm orang kaya anak la

no kaya u cant even fly there study duh
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Feb 20 2024, 12:29 PM)
conlanfirm orang kaya anak la

no kaya u cant even fly there study duh
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what troubles me is all these online page and the masses thinks some kid with rich parents goes to another country to study is considered hardship and an article worthy. We are so pathetic
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QUOTE(tamealphonse @ Feb 20 2024, 12:31 PM)
what troubles me is all these online page and the masses thinks some kid with rich parents goes to another country to study is considered hardship and an article worthy. We are so pathetic
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after completing SPM, he set off for Japan with a group of Malaysians with the purpose of studying Japanese at a local school for a year.


after SPM terus can fly to Japan to study. said is poor? fark la
living expenses siapa bayar? FAMA la ...said poor....ranjiao mega_shok.gif
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lol anak orang kaya with ssoooooooo much safety net. just fuck off, nothing to be proud of
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True ah they only polite in hospitality/service line only?
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Feb 20 2024, 12:29 PM)
conlanfirm orang kaya anak la

no kaya u cant even fly there study duh
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ya both JLPT and EJU can take in kl but he straight go there to japan
confirm got money la

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QUOTE(vapanel @ Feb 20 2024, 12:23 PM)
He is also foreigners in Malaysia with lower status

His homeland has become Taliban state.

All the more reason to leave.
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Wah you learned nothing from this guy, he said there is always going to bad people, move away from them and step out of your bubble. But most of all, be grateful…

Since you are toxic pepul I must always get away from you. Let you rot in your Sin Chew daily bubble…

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QUOTE(AlexRoss27 @ Feb 20 2024, 12:44 PM)
Wah you learned nothing from this guy, he said there is always going to bad people, move away from them and step out of your bubble. But most of all, be grateful…

Since you are toxic pepul I must always get away from you. Let you rot in your Sin Chew daily bubble…
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Of course you want me to move away

Sorry I will not.
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Given the fact that travelling to a foreign country, let alone residing there, is a big decision to make, Tham said he had received his parents’ blessing and encouragement before the big move, something he believes is vital.
DADDYKASI!!!!
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and UK, Australia or US

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Setoberi gen set the new low for hardship.
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moved to Japan at 17? sure daddykasi

much effort much hard work
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Why he tldr for things we already knoe?
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QUOTE(TruboXL @ Feb 20 2024, 01:15 PM)
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So did he marry any Japan moi, or he "homesick" want local fruit instead? whistling.gif
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So much dengki here. Probably they are the entitled folks where the parents paid fully for their education as well.

I've friends who got scholarships to study abroad and all living expense are funded by working part time. One even funded his own studies abroad.
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QUOTE(tamealphonse @ Feb 20 2024, 12:31 PM)
what troubles me is all these online page and the masses thinks some kid with rich parents goes to another country to study is considered hardship and an article worthy. We are so pathetic
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Yes their parents pay for it, but it doesn't mean they don't have to work hard for it. Once reach there they still need to work hard to earn their degree, work hard to integrate to Japan working environment and adapt to their social norms.
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Something doesnt add up.
If the motivation was money, he can actually move to other places and easily fix his other issues like loneliness etc

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QUOTE(limfreelance @ Feb 20 2024, 12:27 PM)
macan anak kaya jer... look at the room and display.
and look at the room of those who jump airplane
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i kinda felt gross how some rich kids brag about how hard their life is moving overseas and making money bla bla

in fact they start off with rich parent funding, what else does one needs to start a life overseas.
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there u go, taking photo looking out of the window. teach people how to live a life.

Fricking Cringe. haha.
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Feb 20 2024, 12:38 PM)
quadcube
True ah they only polite in hospitality/service line only?
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Depends on a lot of things. Generally, hospitality/service of course politeness tip top. Outside of that, really depends..
Like in Tokyo, usually ppl are much “colder”, actually even between Japanese themselves because most of them move from other prefectures to city mainly for work.
In rural parts, ppl are generally nicer IMO, at least from my experience living in rural parts for 6 years.
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Feb 20 2024, 12:38 PM)
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True ah they only polite in hospitality/service line only?
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theres a reason my friend said before when he was working in JP last time, they have classes to teach employees how to behave/respond/act when facing customers so its not limited to certain lines

like no matter how much shit you get from customers, you must always smile, take in the insults like sponge and so on. classic customer is always right mentality right there

which ultimately is why many call japanese the 2 face country, but TBH this exists everywhere man. i work in sales in MY also i need to pandai kowtow and please the clients and be a sponge when needed. its the same shit, except i wasnt sent for those trainings lol
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Only daddykasi can claim go oversea, study until Master degree then get job that has absolutely nothing to do with the degree.

Somemore can talk about prioritising work life balance when living abroad, meaning money is not an issue.

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Go thr for the money but study till master degree there. Then work as sales?

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‘Sleep is for the weak, you sleep when you die’: Only got a masters, influencer gig like those bimbos already dare to lan si lan yong and quote that???

If u so good then go become a world class footballer / champion athlete lah sei sor hai talk cock lan si lan yong there.

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QUOTE(tifosi @ Feb 20 2024, 01:41 PM)
So much dengki here. Probably they are the entitled folks where the parents paid fully for their education as well.

I've friends who got scholarships to study abroad and all living expense are funded by working part time. One even funded his own studies abroad.
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he said he finish SPM aje

scholarships apa nya?
not even uni...mana ada scholarship
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Feb 20 2024, 05:13 PM)
he said he finish SPM aje

scholarships apa nya?
not even uni...mana ada scholarship
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You are not capable to get scholarship after SPM to do pre-U doesn't mean others can't. So many scholarships to do pre-u foundation locally or even abroad. Sila spend time google and not babble like tin kosong in here.
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QUOTE(tifosi @ Feb 20 2024, 05:58 PM)
You are not capable to get scholarship after SPM to do pre-U doesn't mean others can't. So many scholarships to do pre-u foundation locally or even abroad. Sila spend time google and not babble like tin kosong in here.
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i said HIM, ts article bukan yang lain
did u saw or read that he get scholarship for PreU? no leh


During this time, he had to take two tests: the Japanese Language Proficiency Test (JLPT) and the Examination for Japanese University Admission for International Students (EJU), which is akin to Malaysia’s SPM but for foreigners.

Upon completion of these tests, he applied to universities and was accepted into Niigata University.


doesnt looks like he get scholarhip duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Sila spend time READ MORE and not babble like tin kosong in here. laugh.gif laugh.gif

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most people who migrated wont care anymore for their aging parents in my.

this is the first reason they migrate.. so i dont need to care for my parents when they get old...
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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ Feb 20 2024, 12:18 PM)
Living in a foreign country for a long stretch is like embarking on a big adventure that totally transforms you.
You’re constantly soaking up new experiences, which can change the way you see the world and even who you are. It’s all about finding your footing in a new culture while still holding onto your own roots.

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That was the journey of Tham Mao Shen, a 28-year-old Malaysian who’s been living in Japan since 2014. Born and raised in Alor Setar, Kedah, Tham’s got a story that’s all about adapting to the land of the rising sun while still holding onto his roots.

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Japan used to be the country everyone looked forward to go for the past 2 decades when China was still an emerging 3rd world country coming out from its slumber.
Everything was the newest, funky and hyped. Even their internet access had technologies no where else in the world had and claimed to be the fastest.Also the food and nice nature conservation efforts.

Even having to put up with the very strict emigration laws due to their high nationalism pride and image.

Every rich fag would want to send their child there to study and eventually settle down there.
Not just Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, India, Europeans and even Americans wished to go there and become a naturalized citizen.

But it's no longer the case today.

With a growing ageing society still stuck with seniority mentality, aggressive competition for innovation challenged by their emerging neighbors such as China and South Korea, natural disasters and radioactive water contamination. The world corrupted elites are now thinking of their safety relocating there.

China is now their most fiercest competitor in every way. Being way more efficient than them now because they don't have seniority mindset, pay much more than them, hungry for innovation, in pricing and commit in way bigger volumes.

Sucks be those who miscalculated and wasted their 2 decades of their lives only to be disappointed.

Japan standards are usually not recognized elsewhere even in China, European Union and other parts of the world.
They always wanted to be unique and different from the rest of the world which was a advantage for them such as their technology standards that doesn't follow international convention.

To sum it up even the Japanese themselves are looking to kluar their own country for brighter career prospects even to work in their arch rival countries such as China, US and South Korea for better pay prospects and remunerations.



Fated decline. Good thing never last.
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Feb 20 2024, 04:33 AM)
after completing SPM, he set off for Japan with a group of Malaysians with the purpose of studying Japanese at a local school for a year.
after SPM terus can fly to Japan to study. said is poor? fark la
living expenses siapa bayar? FAMA la ...said poor....ranjiao mega_shok.gif
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to some people, kaya is fly to UK to study and drive Mercedes or Masili.

Japan is indeed poor in their level of exposure lels.
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QUOTE(kons @ Feb 20 2024, 06:22 PM)
most people who migrated wont care anymore for their aging parents in my.

this is the first reason they migrate.. so i dont need to care for my parents when they get old...
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Reclaiming Japan's Lost Decades
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5390416/

Even Thai MNCs pay much better now to their own locals and foreign Japanese expats to work there.

All those rich fags who moved to Japan today for the past 2 decades are regretting.Education not suitable to apply outside the country due to uniqueness of its own standards and what more the language.
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QUOTE(AfraidIGotBan @ Feb 20 2024, 06:31 PM)
to some people, kaya is fly to UK to study and drive Mercedes or Masili.

Japan is indeed poor in their level of exposure lels.
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At least you can immediately put English to use there after your 12 years of secondary education and additionally if you know Chinese helps because it's among world's top 3 most useful language.

Japanese is like a whole new language you need to struggle to learn from scratch and over there all their standards/requirements do not comply to international standards.

Now with their radioactive water contamination and salary stagnant with an ageing society the only jobs for 3rd world migrants are 3D jobs which their own locals don't want to do.



Those who worked in Japanese companies even in Malaysia know the work culture is shittiest. Stingy salaries, must be very committed to company, very little flexibility..


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