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 PSA: Remember check your Car Battery before CNY..., Else later kaput, cant jumpstar easily.

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post Feb 1 2024, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(Teutonic Knight @ Feb 1 2024, 03:18 PM)
Thanks for the heads up TS. Thankfully your parents are all okay. From what I heard certain mechanics shop pipul purposely shorten the lifespan of the battery to 2 years and they keep recycling to new victim
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Please share what you have heard on how do mechanics purposely shorten the battery lifespan.

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post Feb 1 2024, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Feb 1 2024, 04:54 PM)
Bezza 1.3 don’t have start stop feature only myvi iinm
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It depends on which models. If it's the range topper, then yes it comes with Eco Idle. Even the Ativa highest spec comes with Eco Idle liao and yes Bezza ADV does come with Eco Idle feature.

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post Feb 1 2024, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(iSean @ Feb 1 2024, 02:55 PM)
Well not sure consider fortunate or unfortunate, my Bezza just reached 2 year old few days ago, its stock battery died today before CNY. Luckily it died before I plan to go outstation to my parent's hometown...

My parents used my car go pasar, they both didn't bring their phones out. Eventually they had to pinjam pasar stall owner phone in order to call me to get the other family car out to jumpstart. My parent's didn't give precise location had to ronda around just to find my car, with the vague location my parents gave.

My Bezza had a cheapo MrDIY jumper but when I attempted to jumpstart and charge with my Honda City Battery + Engine for like 30 minutes using the proper connection setup was useless, I tried to charge it from 8.5V to 12.5V also unable to jump start. It's battery electrochemistry seems too weak, might not be enough current and voltage to jump start.

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Eventually I ordered Carput's Battery Replacement for an AMARON GO Series 38B20L for RM 275.

Then a random good samaritan came by, and bring his thicker gauge Jumper cable. And told me not to connect to the metal body of my dead car, instead directly onto the Negative Terminal of my Bezza dead Battery.

Luckily, no hydrogen leaked and the original battery didn't exploded. And my Bezza managed to start up, and  had to cancelled the Carput, where the runner still dunno where go pick up the battery. Called Carput CS and the Runner Tech to cancelled ordered.

So, I went around the neighbourhood to look for an Amaron Dealer Car Battery Shop.

First shop, the Cina uncle macam nak potong me, sell higher than Official Store / Carput, RM 340 for the same Amaron Go Battery.

So directly I go survey another Battery shop RM 290 - RM 20 Trade In. Only just saved RM 5.  sweat.gif

At the end, I think should have let Carput to replace me car battery. In case next time or under warranty period the battery became dead.

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Car Batteries nowadays so weak, can't really last more than 2 years+ already?  sweat.gif

My stock battery is some Panasonic Lead-Acid Battery with Refillable Caps.
Only went to Perodua Service Center 3 months ago, the technicians checked the battery report says ok.

I go look back report in details mana pula cold start Voltage was 10V+ but Engine started it was 14V+....
Rated CCA 240A, Measured already 220A...

The Perodua SC didn't bother to inform my battery near dying stage... rclxub.gif
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TS , your Bezza got Eco Idle ?

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post Feb 1 2024, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(k!nex @ Feb 1 2024, 05:00 PM)
Actually it works. I can tell u, there are many kiam siap Vellfire 2.5L users that use regular battery. Those cars have start-stop also. But the owners do disable them every single time immediately right after they start their engines.
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Yup it works until their dashboard starts to light up like a Christmas tree and then ask "Apa ni ?"
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post Feb 1 2024, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(pgsiemkia @ Feb 1 2024, 03:36 PM)
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Good advice. Just want to ask who teach you to connect (-)neg to car body? Apek bawah pokok? Car paint these days already block the connection, also longer route to the battery. I wud suggest direct connection to the battery like in pix, ask the keta hidup to rev car engine first before you attempt dead battery start. Have been helping ppl a lot to jumps start car, even pregnant women who know how to isi minyak and drive saja..Pity nowadays many also dunno how to jumpstart a battery.
*Unker missed the days where you could put car in neutral and jumpstart car in 2nd gear. Maybe CTR or Megane?
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Respect. Even I dare not do that. Respect.

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post Feb 1 2024, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(iSean @ Feb 1 2024, 03:39 PM)
Yeah, parents are okay, just abit drama from mother keep giving suggestions that I've proposed first, then shove it back to me, after getting her phone back calling relatives that does car insurance.  sweat.gif
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Well I hope not, very non-ethical, shortening battery lifespan. But if stock from manufacturer, defects or electrochemistry not well made I can't blame la.
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The good quality batteries that I am getting directly from the manufacturer has no problems whatsoever. Haven't found one yet and there is a good reason for that. If there is a ever problem, it's going to be a big problem cause production is made innhuge batches and it's a freaking big problem.

My clients batteries that die prematurely within the warranty period will be immediately investigated and it's usually the drivers error. After the battery is properly recharged, they can still use it. No problems at all and the drivers learn not to repeat the same mistake.

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post Feb 1 2024, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(k!nex @ Feb 1 2024, 05:23 PM)
Nah... it works. Because original from factory also not running on AGM battery. They all use EFB ones like all typical non-hybrid cars with start-stop.
Regular cars with no start stop also can use EFB batteries. I have tried and lasted close to 4 years that has a bunch of audio upgrades before the battery worn out.
My boss had his Vellfire for 7 years since 2016 until he upgraded , never seen Xmas lights on the dashboard... Thats a Toyota.. Not BMW...
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My client 's Toyota Hellfire V6 CBU lighted up like that. I remember when he called me the 1st time, he said he had already removed the battery himself ! I was like WTF ???

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QUOTE(iSean @ Feb 1 2024, 07:56 PM)
Well, I think newer cars less of an issue.  hmm.gif
Hopefully my dashboard+fog lamps running won't be sucking too much power from the battery and/or alternator.
Really stupid feature of Bezza of designing a dashboard so recessed can't even read the speedometer under sunlight without the backlight on.

I normally only leave that on, heating element for rear windshield also off.
Only normally need to drive additional Xiaomi Dashcam from 5V/2A USB port and a 12V to 5V/9V/12V PD Charger Type C charger only  rclxub.gif
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How I wish what you said is true, I think newer cars less of an issue. I am seeing so many troubles happening because owners think. To tell you the truth, I don't even allow clients close to my heart to jumpstart. They have my number and they are suppose to call me and not allow anyone to jumpstart etc etc provided they are within range.

Instead of writing the problems I am coming across, I will quote another forummer bad experience instead. New vehicle mileage 30k and the alternator had failed. Forummer acbc I thought my clients vehicle 5.5 years was the fastest but I think acbc friend took pole position !

About the dashboard and fog lamps. If those are stock from the factory, I wouldn't worry about it. If you have made any modifications to them, then that will be a problem. A potential problem. A potential customer called and what to know why his battery in his Honda last a year max. On!y at the end of the conversation, that I managed to uncover that he had done aftermarket modifications to his vehicle.

I dont recommend these aftermarket modifications especially if they are not approved by the manufacturer. Modern vehicles CANBUS will go haywire because of such modifications. Tip Ever wonder why the warranty on such aftermarket products are such a short period ? Back to the caller with a year max battery lifespan, KNN his camcorder stays on even after he turned off his vehicle for a period of time. Mana battery tak mati woi !

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QUOTE(boonwuilow @ Feb 1 2024, 08:22 PM)
Thanks to those people i found 1 month old battery at my friend's scrap yard.

U can try Kingbolen BM550, quite cheap and accurate, less than rm50 can get, youtube got ppl test it against Bosch battery tester and it is almost as accurate as the Bosch.

Redneck like me I don't just charge it using a conventional battery charger, I zap those battery with DC inverter welder, after zapping u can see the CCA improve. That how my scrap yard's friend lorry don't have to buy battery. And of course not all battery can be zapped, if u don't know what you are doing, you can end up with acid bath.
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Ha ha. Here is the kicker, "if u don't know what u are doing." Kejap. I think like that also can la. I see YouTube video, they also do no problem what. I done so many times already, how difficult can it get.

I have to thank everyone because of their willingness to try out stuff and when it fails, then I know those stuff cannot work one.

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post Feb 1 2024, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(boonwuilow @ Feb 1 2024, 07:53 PM)
I never bought battery for all the car in my house, my friend open scrap yard, so i just go there and take for free only... U will be surprised by how many battery is actually "misdiagnosed" or "scam" by mechanic.
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A mechanic who retires a Good Battery from service in a client vehicle is not honest but the mechanic who sends a Good Battery to the scrap yard, is he an intelligent mechanic ? LOL

You must be blessed to have so many intelligent mechanics nearby.

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QUOTE(iUnique @ Feb 1 2024, 09:48 PM)
may I know which mods that should be avoided/ think thouroughly?

a. changing the infotainment system to aftermarket one - for 360 feature
b. DVR

both should be ok right?
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The.caller didn't specify which camcorder model but what he said was initially the camcorder was connected to the cigarette adaptor but subsequently it was rewired directly to the battery itself.

My advice is best to buy a vehicle that comes with whatever one wants. Unless these aftermarket modifications are approved by the car manufacturer, I wouldn't dare install anything to my new vehicles.

In the old post, there was a new forummer who bought the basic Axia. Send the new Axia to make such modifications, then car cannot start ! Apa lagi buka thread, ask how la. Dunno Perodua Service Center is going to help him out for doing illegal modifications onot. The guy never came back online despite PM him. Definately the accessories shop is not going to take responsibility for screwing up the guy new Axia.

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QUOTE(boonwuilow @ Feb 1 2024, 09:54 PM)
Some of it are sent in from walk in customer, that bangla worker also ask, eh battery baru 1 bulan sudah mau buang ka... that customer say, neh itu mechanic lah, sudah tukar lagi x boleh, lagi tukar lagi check baru tau alternator punya hal. Then every week will have this one guy come with a small van, he will unload on average at least 10 battery each time, and he can explicitly tell that bangla worker which battery still good working condition which is not, then the worker will separate out the working battery and when i test, that seller put his money where his mouth is. And this guy, how much money u give him, he don't care, he just take whatever u give him, he don't even care if he bring in a DIN110 but you pay him NS40 price, just as long as he walks out with money.

All i know is this is very good for the economy even though is dishonest or incompetent mechanic. And beneficial for people like me. And good for my scrap yard friend, pay lower than market value still got ppl willing to sell, then drill holes to the battery and brim it with water before selling to larger scrap, cause larger scrap they weight the battery instead of by unit and size. Then also beneficial to my other close friend, they need battery just let me know they get the battery for free (as long as they exchange their old one) and belanja me eat.
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That is why, my clients are taught to listen only to me. I say battery can use, they follow la. 1 client went to SC for servicing. Battery on!y 1 year, SC told him battery weak liao. Luckily he brought up the issue with me and when I check the battery ok je. I asked the guy where is the proof that the SC said it was weak ? He said they just told him verbally only. I replied, next time anybody say anything about my Principal Co battery I install, I want to see the back & white. It has been 6 months already, the weak battery still OK only. Of course it's a good battery la. This is classic example of battery 1 year already kah ? Going to spoil already according to the battery tester inside their head. 😂 Kelapa otak dia.
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Good title thread. Even better is before any road trip, get a trusted person to check the battery is OK.

Don't tengah highway, bateri mati woi. Call me, I also won't help. Gila ka ? KNN Highway le, fucking dangerous. 10 pipu already died because of battery Itu pun pasal official report. Unofficial dunno how many die already.

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Feb 1 2024, 11:42 PM)

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QUOTE(boonwuilow @ Feb 1 2024, 10:26 PM)
Ah when you say SC, last time my scrap collector friend go and pakat with the SC of the brand with tiger on it's logo. He offer them good price for the battery, with that this motivated the mechanic to entice and coax the customer into replacing their battery. Last i know they are so motivated until all the mechanic will come and queue up as soon as his lorry arrive just to sell him the battery. U see... like this good for the SC in terms of sales and those mechanic, with the xtra money they can go and spend it and treat their family to a nice meal. This is what i called help drive the growth of economy...  :thumbsup:  thumbup.gif

But yeah the X50 really got prob... like 9/10 the battery is really bad.
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Thinking over your post about them being "so motivated", ini yang bahaya ni. It's akin to stealing already by using deception to mislead customers into replacing their Good Battery. Pity customers who comes in contact with such characters and then blame "Why these days batteries don't last long ?"

Bro., I have a question. Since you are into using scrap batteries. How long have the scrap batteries lasted Iin your turbo diesel, correct ? Means for 1. Scrap RFB how long ? 2. Scrap EFB how long ? & 3. Scrap AGM how long ?

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QUOTE(boonwuilow @ Feb 2 2024, 01:50 PM)
Then you ask back the customer loh... If you as a battery manufacture do you want your battery to last like super super long? So long that people who pakai your battery don't have to change battery making your business turnover rate super low till gulung tikar...  laugh.gif

The scrap AGM in my turbo diesel has been a few months, every week i monitor the CCA and internal resistance and it never drop and increase. EFB i don't bother to take, they always arrived like super super dead, can't even power the battery tester that kind of dead. Normal RFB, for my own car only target those which were like super new and sold to scrap simply because of alternator failed and can't charge the battery. Like i just got a Amaron 65d26L 420CCA rated but tested 500CCA. Yes... i understand about the fact that SLI battery sulfation will occur when it is deep discharged. Expect maybe can use for 1 year? Those Century and Motolite NS70 and D23 tends to be good, if the CCA is low, i just have to zap it with DC welder can regain 100-150CCA, improving it very close to factory rated CCA. Those use on lorry so far already more than 6 months still going strong. So far the oldest battery i put on my diesel car is the Merc OE AGM which was approx 3 years + when it was send to scrap.
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I don't think it's possible for everyone to use their batteries for such a long time until battery companies kena gulung tikar because of market imperfections as not everyone listens, not everyone has full detailed knowledge about how batteries work, and not everyone is able to keep their charging system efficient. Example my client new vehicle less than 6 years old and the Charging System already nyawa nyawa ikan even with replaced alternator from the SC. Summore berani to ask me, how long the new battery can last compared to the previous 42 months especially when the Charging System already nyawa nyawa ikan. Battery warranty now void, dare to ask how long pulak ? Tu la tak mau dengar awal awal, now nasi dah jadi bubur. Kesian this owner. One word my boss will say, degil.

Don't Mess with Melaka sial. Just replaced my regular clients battery in a Honda City. There is a strange noise thats coming from the area where the alternator is but it's a sound that I have never heard before from failing alternators. The owner asked me if her alternator was in trouble but Charging Test is OK status with voltage of 14.45V, which is very good. She had checked with Honda SC and there is a long list of items which needs to be change but there was no alternator on that list. It's the outside shops that asking her to change her alternator !!! So I informed the client if she decides to change her good original Honda alternator out, she better get back that original Honda alternator at all costs. I doubt whatever they are planning to put in is going to be as good as the original stuff.

While talking to the owner, her Honda suddenly turned on its Hazard Lights by itself. I was like WTF ??? Nobody was in the vehicle. The owner and I were standing in front of the vehicle. The vehicle was in an OFF position. Keys not even in the ignition. Weird man. Wish I had taken a video of this shit. I have the alternator sound in video but dunno how to post it here.

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