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SUSSihambodoh
post Jan 25 2024, 05:27 PM, updated 2y ago

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Ok this is going to be an interesting topic. There are quite a few believers of alternative treatments and usually they are the ones kena bashed and labeled gullible, stupid etc.

Let's have a good discussion here. Doctors like hgsgmy, please come in.

Let's start with the CAM believers. Do you personally know anyone who's in remission through alternative treatment? What is it that they have tried?

Doctors, have you had any patients who decided to go CAM and recovered? What are your thoughts about it? Why do you not support CAM? Can CAM work hand in hand with conventional? What if a patient is terminal, if the patient wants to try CAM, is it still stupid?

This is serious kopitiam so let's be respectful. The aim of this thread is to help people understand more about the benefits and dangers of CAM and conventional medicine.
SUSSihambodoh
post Jan 25 2024, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Jan 25 2024, 05:40 PM)
There's no such thing as "alternative" treatment.

Alternative treatment implies that such treatment options are valid choices, when there is no scientific proof for these treatments, meaning going through well designed, usually double-blinded clinical trials, multiple stages, to prove efficacy, dosage, risk and side effects, safety, and can be reproduced. Anecdotes, like my aunt's neighbour's son's classmate ate this and they say good, is pointless and nothing but stories.

Effective treatments have gone through rounds and rounds of studies, billions of RnD funds, and years of research done by thousands and thousands of really smart people.
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That's the term used - complementary and alternative medicine. I didn't come out with that term.

Anyway we know what they are, let's not discuss about the definition here.

Perhaps you can share your experience and thoughts why do you think they don't work.
SUSSihambodoh
post Jan 26 2024, 01:48 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 26 2024, 12:53 AM)
Prime example is Steve Jobs. Had pancreatic cancer, surgery to remove it would have sufficed but nope. Delayed for 9 months and you all know the rest of the story. The riches man on the planet spent 9 months on alternative medicine. Must have spent a shit tonne of money on injections to salves to supplements.

That obviously didn't work
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jan 26 2024, 01:40 AM)
Sarcasm cap firmly on:

For some, they might argue that Jobs didn’t use google because he was waiting for Apple to come up with its own search engine to trawl the internet for the holy grail of mystical alternative treatments.
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I appreciate your views. But is there nothing positive from alternative medicine? Have you ever had a sickness which Western medicine couldn't cure but you got it cured through alternative treatments?

The impression I'm getting is that most people believe everything should be fixed with surgery or drugs and there is absolutely no benefit whatsoever with nutrition or fasting to ones health. Even on the topic of fighting cancer, those anecdotal stories you hear here and there. Or from testimonials you can find online, are we saying all of them are untrue? That western medicine is the only thing which can cure cancer?

I'm sure you have heard that is a drug works on 100 people, it doesn't mean it works for all people.

Can we not give some credit to any non drug based treatment? Really none at all? Absolute bs?

This post has been edited by Sihambodoh: Jan 26 2024, 01:50 AM
SUSSihambodoh
post Jan 26 2024, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jan 26 2024, 07:04 AM)
I’ll give you a couple of pertinent reasons why I would advocate for allopathic medicine (that is the proper nomenclature to apply, it is not “Western” medicine) and not alternative methods as far as disease (not only cancer) treatment is concerned.

Firstly, as a doctor, governed by the rules and statutes that both protect as well as prosecute practitioners, I don’t have the luxury to quote statistically improbable, anecdotal cases that may be a mathematical outlier to give false hope to patients. We have to deal with empirical evidence and the evidence must be backed up by statistical outcomes.

A tik-tokker can claim that his words in his videos are for entertainment purposes when his “advice” causes the death of a follower. A doctor has no such defense.

Secondly, unlike proponents of alternative methods, allopathic medicine does not reject an alternative suggestion but instead subjects it to rigorous scientific scrutiny and research. If the statistics and the trials demonstrate efficacy and safety above and beyond that which can be attributed to chance (ie statistically significant outcome), then, the alternative method is incorporated into allopathic medicine and ceases to be labelled “alternative”. A prime example would be the use of artemisinin for malaria treatment.

It’s not us versus “them”, but that’s not often the case with supporters of alternative approaches. They will reject allopathic treatment and hype up the side effects without acknowledging the benefits, and they are quick to quote anecdotal cases of unexpected or unexplained “healing” without understanding why, or even ensuring the full facts are listed (eg the case quoted re colon cancer and carotene hyperdoses - surgery was conveniently left out of the whole story).

I hope this gives you a snippet into the view commonly held by doctors when it comes to alternative strategies.
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Thanks for sharing doctor. I learned a new word - allopathic.

Like any groups of people, surely there will be the hardcore and there will be the milder ones. I have never believed in alternative medicine until a personal experience where something allopathic couldn't help but alternative did. Then I started considering allopathic as options for more complicated situations.

My only gripe is society somewhat leans heavily on allopathic like how I was and proponents of CAM are somewhat demonized for the lack of better word. There are many good alternative therapies out there which can complement allopathic but not given enough attention.

 

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