Hi, I've recently received a job offer to work in SG and my employer has submitted my details for a S pass application.

Unfortunately it was rejected not once but twice with no clear reasons. Checked with my employer and agent both of them do not have any idea the reason why it was rejected. My employer is now trying to appeal for the third time.

Posting here to see if there's anyone experienced any thing similar. Not sure if there's any chance the continuous appealing would help.

Thanks in advance for your insight.

Sorry for the bad news. But generally there is no reject reason required by MOM. It may not necessary be your issue. It maybe due to your future employee did not meet certain criteria for S-Pass. Maybe try to land another job and see your application can go through?

https://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permits/s...ted-application

I have no idea on S pass. But please have a read if you not done yet.

Yes, very good answer. S pass or Work permits may be dependent on your employer’s ratio of Singaporean vs foreigner hires, and if the ratio isn’t correct, new foreigner hires may be rejected - it may not be a problem on your end at all.

Too many flood in SG i guess

What role and company?

Have you quit your current job?

Yeap, this, your employer need to check their own ratio first.

It's not just your expected Malaysian Chinese that's coming into Singapore. A lot of Malaysian Indians and even Malays are here working, especially in the blue collar sector. Many more such cases than I can remember in recent years. Half the Grab Food delivery drivers are Malaysian (usually Malays and Indians), and most of the security guards are Malaysian Indians. Most of the Chinese blue collar sector works are in the F&B industry (waiters, servers, restaurant captains).

So, yeah, you're right... it's a bit of a flood at the moment.

How does a foreigner even get any employment pass to go there and work as a Grab delivery driver? Grab doesn't employ their riders/drivers so on what pass do they go into Singapore to work like that?

That's what I'd really like to know. They drive JB or Malaysian registered bikes, so I assumed that they must be Malaysians. Singaporeans are not allowed to drive foreign registered bikes in Singapore.

Interesting. Maybe you can stop one and ask them next time 😁

the meta changed, now there are many new rule


>You cannot employ foreign workers to work at a food stall in a hawker centre, coffee shop or food court. Such operations are small scale and should be manned by owners or family members.


>Degree or Diploma from an accredited institute



>working experience



>Quota requirement for different sector




Sector DRC
Construction 83.3%
Process 83.3%
Marine shipyard 77.8
Manufacturing 60%
Services 35%




u are out of luck if the quota reached, try your luck next time or maybe not at all because right now 50% or even 90% of malaysia are working in small land
singapore.





sometime if there are too much male > female ratio , they wont take any more male unless u are top 100 uni and powerful male , rich fellas , can contribute a lot to singapore, topkekw , it is normal open secrets since 2015.

This post has been edited by nelson969: Jan 23 2024, 09:14 AM

Apparently a work pass holder who is not a resident of Singapore (eg staying in Johor and commuting daily) are allowed to use M'sian registered vehicles in SG. Never knew this until I saw this thread and looked it up.

Those daily jams at checkpoints are contributed mostly by Malaysians using Msia-registered vehicles lo.

So my original question above still remains unanswered. How do they get a work pass to work as a Grab driver/rider? Who would their employer be as Grab does not "employ" their riders

Here's your answer:

Illegal Malaysian Grab Delivery Drivers

Minimum salary for S pass? Or quota full.

They "buy" the accounts of locals. However every 3 months they can't enter more than 60 days, otherwise ICA will bar them...

Because they drive a lot in a day, they will fill up cheap M'sia petrol in water bottle before departing to work. During inspection at Causeway, ICA officer won't check water bottle content

Can easily chat with those B40 and they are won't be discrete to share these kangtao

This post has been edited by knwong: Jan 23 2024, 10:00 AM

Am currently working part time. The role offered is Product Specialist with Great Eastern.

Are you work permit holder?

Is that Sales or back office role? Back office job actually many locals can do. Perhaps that's why MOM playing hard there

Thanks for the enlightenment bro!

Wow, stinkaporeans also got alibaba style.

S pass is very dependent on the quota available. Even EP now has a new requirement after they were constantly abused.

The B40 there also want easy way. Easy income, just shake leg while others do the heavy work

but RM jatuh many want to work in SGD stronger currency mah..
so blame who?? blame current gomen ka?? RM jatuh many factors leh not gomen factor... so blame who?? Blame war in ukraine or gaza?? lagi?

Many msian men go sg find sg wife leh.... good meh?

No idea. Never paid attention to the license plates.

topkek /k and reddit dont know this lmao,


did u know sg women finding foreigner man to own house hbd flat in singapore ? if local sg men buy will be expenses, hence sg women finding rich foreigner men / potential men to own the hbd flat cheaper , because if rely local sg men will take 100 decade


in another word find rich victim and marry and have fun outside, then claim child and asset when divorce.

topkek

Nope. Residing in Malaysia currently.

got many rich sg man also mah in sg right?

I'm in sales. Well to be specific, telesales 😅

Potentially is this, it's not a highly skilled role so your company might have to prove first why they can't find locals to fill that role instead have to hire foreigner.

Singapore wife with foreign spouse can only buy 2-room flat (i.e. living room + 1 bedroom) only.
Most Singapore women are wealthy, and do not use this option, esp. if they can buy together with another family member too.
Or they can wait till they are 35 and buy the flat alone and the government will even throw in grants.

Poetry for the Day

we big land malaysia...everyone drive big car, live big house....all want to give these up....all want to work in SG earn SGD.
chinese, malay, indian....all cross causeway everyday

push and shove....every morning, every evening...all kiasu
scream and shout...scared late for work...all kiasi

got oil, got palm, got water.....all no use
no money, no food, no dignity.....all work in sg

complain sg food sucks...yet all eat
complain sg ppl bad...yet all work for them

complain they greedy...yet all rush for SGD in greed
complain they steal our petrol, speed on our highway.....yet all grovel and serve the mighty SG

we look at our economy and shake our head
we look at our leaders and give big sigh
in politics, race and religion we fight among ourselves

In SG we must trust...all for our family
For SGD we must earn...settle our commitments
Let us kneel, let us pray...to SG our savior today and tomorrow.

do share your qualification and work experience and age

Few possible reasons, could be
1. Your employer not enough quota
2. MOM feels the role can be filled with locals instead. Low skilled office role harder to approve compared to high skilled office role (under EP) and low skilled 3D jobs (under WP)
3. Your qualitification is questionable in MOM’s POV

Never understood how this pass works. Last time my friend salary lower than the EP requirement, but also managed to get EP instead of SP.

don say last time now i m also quite confuse. my gf should be earning 7k if follow EP requirement and age factor but she didnt even hit the 5k mark.

when i told her this i tot she wont be getting ep anymore but S pass instead, then to my surprise her ep renewal was approved in Dec'23

and i also told her not easy to get PR as it would required years of working in sg etc etc, then her pr approved this month...., she only started to work in SG since Jun'22.

u say i m confuse or not....

Currently SG has tighten their quota process. Company need to explain why they need to hire foreign worker and why local can't fill the job

This post has been edited by RT8081: Jan 23 2024, 07:01 PM

Hope you didn't resigned from your current job to take up this one.

if cannot get worker pass, your job gonna be rescinded?

Good for her! She might be in a role that the company values, hence supportive of her application ... but the criteria are never revealed publicly - so your guess is as good as mine.

Find sg wife so that can buy new BTO. Then rent out to foreigners.

malaysian vehicle are allowed to enter SG for no longer than 24hrs
those ppl just rent/buy/borrow local's id to register grab n work illegally

Try your best to GTFO Malaysia. The issue of flooding will just get even worse unless you are a doctor/politician in Malaysia. There is literally no reason to stay in MY unless you own a business. Haha

if S pass cannot then ask HR to try WP?

u think sg wife want msian men meh

Getting PR is not surprising if you're an EP holder from Malaysia, specifically for female. Male has no value, unless you apply before 25 and be prepared to serve NS.

EP requirement is quite ambiguous. The new requirement is 5k, but if you're a past holder, and you still hit certain criteria, which is listed per MOM. You should be able to retain it.

I was a past EP holder, changed to student, and now back to EP. While my peers, despite the same salary range, they were only given SP.

Wow malaysians go foreign country also work low value job?

First generation PRs regardless of age, do not need to serve NS.

It would seem so, yes.

Yes, young healthy single female is much sought-ed. SG wanted to build their population nevertheless.
Similarly, if apply PR or citizenship with whole family (spouse + children), will get approve very easily.


Even tukang sampah salary is 5 figures leh... and they are degree holder.
https://focusmalaysia.my/malaysian-garbage-...-singapore-but/

Low value or low class job but comes with high pay.

Could it be the reason SG men hard to Court local women, so govt bring in more MY women?

What is the possible consequences if caught, jail, permanent bar from entry?

join marriage agency lah....like vietnamese girls marrying sg men as overseas brides through marriage agencies.
but most sg male customers of such marriage agencies are the not-so-educated, income not too high, blue collar types.

our engrish standards can't match up to theirs
our chinese accent too strong and too "malaysian" and get mocked by them sometimes

but make-do lah....dont be too picky.

It depends on the industry requirements. Example is teachers or nurses are scarce and badly needed, they will give EP even if the salary scale didn’t reach that level. Plus can get PR just after 6 months of working

nvr heard any news on this, I would assume similar treatment like those illegal immigrants/worker
- jail
- deport
- perma banned

Found this, very serious offence:

Malaysians working illegally as food delivery riders in Singapore: Some 'hide' food in top box
Stomper: "Malaysian-registered motorcycles are doing GrabFood deliveries in Singapore."photo_library

Ong Su Mannmail
Posted on 04 October 2023 | 70,318 views | 67 comments
Submitted by Stomper Anonymous

It is illegal for a foreigner to work as a food delivery rider in Singapore.

Yet motorcycles with Malaysian plates have been spotted here with riders wearing the distinctive green Grab apparel carrying the distinctive green Grab bag behind.

Sharing photos of several such motorcycles, a Stomper said: "Malaysian-registered motorcycles are doing GrabFood deliveries in Singapore."

But some are more discreet about it.

"Some of them have no GrabFood bag on the motorcycle seat, only a top box. They hide the food inside to not let people know they are doing GrabFood delivery in Singapore," said the Stomper, who shared a video showing a GrabFood delivery in an anonymous box on the back of a motorcycle with a Johor plate.

Last month, four foreigners were charged with four counts of working illegally as food delivery riders in Singapore without valid work passes.

Two Singapore citizens and one permanent resident were also charged with three counts of abetment of these offences. They had purportedly provided the foreigners with access to their accounts on various food delivery platforms, despite being aware that the foreigners did not have valid work passes to work as food delivery riders.

Foreigners who are self-employed without a valid work pass may be liable to a fine not exceeding $20,000, imprisonment for up to two years, or both. Upon conviction, they will be permanently barred from working in Singapore.

Local delivery platform workers who are found to have allowed foreigners to use their accounts may face the same penalties.

This post has been edited by MGM: Jan 24 2024, 02:45 PM

in Malaysia got tongkat and cable

go Singapore you are competing without tongkat

But you could potentially be competing against people who are hungrier, work harder and more eager and more talented… results matter.

Both countries have their own challenges for the workers

My wife is sg and it can happen. In fact, it's quite prevalent but most have 'converted' or don't disclose.
However, your chances to find such a wife is very slim if you need to stay in JB but work in Sg. In short, financially-challenged.

Converted? You mean the husband from Malaysia's converted?

Or the ex-Malaysian wife converted to take up Singapore citizenship?

Opps sorry for ambiguity. Husband from Malaysia's converted. Many have assimilated into Sg so well that you won't know until you casually ask if they have holiday plans.. that's when they speak about 'balik kampung'.

Yeah... I'm also at the verge of thinking of trading my passport in....

Wife traded her in decades ago...

Better keep one as backup la. Wife and child can be Singaporean and you can still hold as Malaysian, then can retire her, better environment and house is cheaper too

how can the environment be better here? hahaha

floods, mudslide, water disruption, high crime, 3-5 million illegals everywhere.
poor education system, unstable politics, corruption, bribery
collapsing economy, collapsing ringgit
racial tensions, religious politics
which one is untrue i ask u?
open your eyes!

u think big land, big house, big car is everything??...u think can compensate for all this? once you step outside...problems everywhere...
(i assume you own big house, big car...all cheap material assets to singaporean)

wife/kids singaporean....you think they coming back with you to retire? u think your kid wants to work here when he or she grows up?

admit it...sg better than us...even their "pigeon hole" HDB as we like to call it is spacious, better maintained and worth a million ringgit after conversion.
and KL (240 km2) is actually 3.5 times smaller than sg (735 km2). compare city to city.

if got chance run quickly!!!! if not sg, then australia....for the sake of your family.

dont live in denial, or paste cotton wool over your eyes!

I mean cheap than living overseas and our medical for old age even If private is affordable compared to.SG. especially if you already build your wealth

This post has been edited by RT8081: Feb 2 2024, 09:56 AM

dude, i give you my honest opinion...

it's cheaper in malaysia compared to sg yes. but "cheap" only if you earn sgd and spend in malaysia.
it's not "cheap" for a malaysian who work and live here.
and our medical facilities are below par compared to sg. u want cheap or u want your life?
even our political leaders go to sg for medical treatment...just google.

there is no such thing as cheap or free medical treatment
someone has to pay for it...directly or indirectly
u think doctors, nurses, medicines, hi-tech medical equipment just drop from sky?
you get what you pay for...pay peanuts get monkey
if got chance u go to their public hospital, and u compare with our public hospital in KL...the difference is so clear

That's what I am explaining la 😅


After working hard in SG, spend the money here on retirement la. If give up Malaysian citizenship, then waste loosing the privilege.

My comments is for hksgmy because he is right now working in SG

This post has been edited by RT8081: Feb 2 2024, 10:14 AM

oh...sorri...i go eat my bread now.

LOL better Chill and enjoy your Friday tonight

ts no update?

Thanks bro, but I’m thinking of retiring in Australia haha

[quote=hksgmy,Feb 2 2024, 02:43 PM]
Thanks bro, but I’m thinking of retiring in Australia haha

[/quote

ok as long you are happy and content, bro. Australia is not bad either.

cuz she young, female, correct race?

out of curiosity...u know the TS personally ah? how you know he did not pay income tax? or you just assuming, making things up so that you have something to post here?

fact: only 1.3 million malaysians (or 4% of population) pay income tax out of a population of 33 million. taking out kids, students, retirees, unemployed, housewives....this is a huge number not paying despite enjoying all the privileges as a citizen living here. you should focus your attention on these groups.



This post has been edited by J2001k2: Feb 3 2024, 09:56 AM

At least some of them still milking enjoyment/escapism from Malaysia forum. And such enjoyment is priceless. Msia protected you at least 20years before they fleeing away. Rohingya wan a place to sleep also dun have. Not grateful at all and still dare to talk bad about the place that raised you up.

This post has been edited by Accord2018: Feb 3 2024, 10:01 AM

i dunno who you talking about. malaysia protecting who?

your brain can skip to rohingya too?

the TS asking why his work pass rejected. he didnt say anything bad about malaysia.

you post in wrong thread is it?

yeah might be that case. i have also submitted my application last year aug. lets see what will be the outcome

How long usually PR process takes ? i heard many different stories 4, 6 months to 1.5 years.

not sure but my gf case is about a year. she applied last year jan.

few of our friend applied during mco, got their pr within 6 months. i think it takes longer now...

I was on ep prior to 2022

Returned to Malaysia and came back to work as wp in 2023

Year end my employer tried to apply ep but rejected

I’m switching job now, the employer will try ep.

My question is is there any implication of my wp status on subsequent ep applications?

How did u end up with wp instead s-pass? EP now is harder to get compared to 2022.

S pass quota is almost non existent today

Ah lol .. but WP has no quota meh? I thought both have quota. From WP to EP .. if you're earning 5k+, you should have the chance as a malaysian.

I hope his prospective employer isn’t trying to pull a fast one… EP no quota but WP has quota and they are willing to apply for WP… maybe salary issue? EP has much higher salary requirement now

EP doesn't come with a quota, but with more stringent requirements. Because of the abuse, they increased the salary to 5k .. soon to 5.6k. Basically it is harder for us Malaysians to get EP le ..

I see. Maybe that’s the reason ?

But to drop from EP to WP .. something never heard of. Usually from EP to S-pass. From WP to EP is rather a huge leap again.

Yeah... I hope he's not being taken for a ride by his prospective employers.

Not too surprising .. especially for sme ..

Currently, Singapore is generous to award EPs and WPs with lower salary requirement to only Malaysians compared to other foreigners.

Heard these rules for Malaysians will be adjusted to same level as other foreigners soon.

Actually salary is just one of the criteria for EP, not necessarily you need it. For example, 5k is the minimum, at age of maybe 22? If you're 30, you will need maybe 8k to hit that criteria. So, 5k, malaysian, education >> you hit the 40 points criteria >> EP .. on the other hand, for PRC or Indian, they may hit only 30 points >> only S-pass ..

I know this because my colleagues were complaining that I was the only EP holder although we had the same starting salary. The rest of them were on Spass

The small benefit of being Malaysian