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babylon52281
post Jan 20 2024, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(tkwmm @ Jan 20 2024, 09:17 PM)
I only play at 1080P 75hz monitor. Not going beyond that.
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The problem isnt ur hardware but how AAA games are made these days. Most of them are basically console ports and current gen consoles; PS5 & Xbox Series have >8GB VRAM so games are developed to use >8GB and this will only get more worse when games are rushed out unoptimised for GPU with 8GB and less VRAM.

You can of course turn down settings when stuttering & lag but that is a real manual way just to keep games within VRAM buffer and its real no fun if you spend first hour in a new game just to tweak down settings in a trial & error way. Some games do provide a setting scale to indicate how much VRAM it will use (Halo Infinite iinm?) but not all has this handy feature.

PS Oh and you dont need to buy another kit of 2x8GB RAM. Since you ady have a 16GB stick, just buy another 16GB DDR4 2666MHZ single stick. Its the same price as 2x8GB and your end with 32GB RAM.

PPS Just for 3060 / 4060 class GPU, a 600W PSU is good enuff. Im using a 650W for my 3060TI w/o issues.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jan 20 2024, 10:31 PM
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post Jan 20 2024, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(tkwmm @ Jan 20 2024, 09:26 PM)
Btw, just a quick update.

Based on the feedback, for better game experience at 1080P, what my setup need is.

1. new Graphic Card
2. change the RAM into 2X8GB
3. upgrade the psu so it will fit the new GPU

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Based on price I can find.
Cost for changing min parts only, reuse most of the part.
1. Zotac RTX 4060 - 1600
2. Cooler Master ELITE V4 600W - around RM 220
3. Kingston HyperX FURY 8GB 2666MHz - Around RM75 X2
Cost for changing almost entire sets, reuse some of the part.
1. I5-12400 - around RM750
2. GIGABYTE B760M H D4 (MATX) - around RM450
3. Zotac RTX 4060 - 1600
4. Cooler Master ELITE V4 600W - around RM 220
5. Kingston HyperX FURY 8GB 2666MHz - Around RM75 X2
6. Casing - around 250

which is around 1200 different. I guess the rest is for me to decide it.

If someone can suggest a better budget build, I am always ready to dive deep into it.

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I could always switch to RTX 3060 which cost around RM1500. But not sure 600W is it enough.
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Do not change RAM to 8GB X2, just add 16GB DDR4-2666. Check the brand of your RAM. Buy back the same model. Low quality power supply is not recommended. And why still going for RTX 4060 trash?

QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jan 20 2024, 10:24 PM)
The problem isnt ur hardware but how AAA games are made these days. Most of them are basically console ports and current gen consoles; PS5 & Xbox Series have >8GB VRAM so games are developed to use >8GB and this will only get more worse when games are rushed out unoptimised for GPU with 8GB and less VRAM.

You can of course turn down settings when stuttering & lag but that is a real manual way just to keep games within VRAM buffer and its real no fun if you spend first hour in a new game just to tweak down settings in a trial & error way. Some games do provide a setting scale to indicate how much VRAM it will use (Halo Infinite iinm?) but not all has this handy feature.

PS Oh and you dont need to buy another kit of 2x8GB RAM. Since you ady have a 16GB stick, just buy another 16GB DDR4 2666MHZ single stick. Its the same price as 2x8GB and your end with 32GB RAM.

PPS Just for 3060 / 4060 class GPU, a 600W PSU is good enuff. Im using a 650W for my 3060TI w/o issues.
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Talking about this...

QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jan 20 2024, 03:54 PM)
The 3060 12GB dont really have the core to fully utilise its sizable VRAM.
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This post has been edited by TristanX: Jan 20 2024, 10:59 PM
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post Jan 20 2024, 10:59 PM

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change to ps5
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post Jan 20 2024, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(WhiteFlag @ Jan 20 2024, 10:59 PM)
change to ps5
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More expensive games. Extremely limited upgrades. Cannot do PC only tasks. Have fun.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jan 20 2024, 11:03 PM)
More expensive games. Extremely limited upgrades. Cannot do PC only tasks. Have fun.
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yes games more expensive but usually i only buy 1,2 games so for my use case ps5 is ok, u can buy second hand disc also.

Extremely limited upgrades, yes, no need upgrade pun, save the money.

Cannot do pc only task, yes, your current old rig also can do every pc task u have, no need a 4060 to do

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I only have one high resource game, ratchet & clark
If turn on ray tracing, some level can use over 8GB VRAM on 3060, some already know i using HP PC
And is very ok at 75fps
As is my first time buy RTX card, i also dunno choose 3060 or 4060, at last i choose 3060 because 12GB, run 4.0 x16 (4060 only 4.0 x8 but i dunno how affact performance)
The downside is more power use 170W, no FG but i no use it
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post Jan 21 2024, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(PJng @ Jan 20 2024, 11:21 PM)
I only have one high resource game, ratchet & clark
If turn on ray tracing, some level can use over 8GB VRAM on 3060, some already know i using HP PC
And is very ok at 75fps
As is my first time buy RTX card, i also dunno choose 3060 or 4060, at last i choose 3060 because 12GB, run 4.0 x16 (4060 only 4.0 x8 but i dunno how affact performance)
The downside is more power use 170W, no FG but i no use it
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According to Derbauer, most likely little to no performance loss going to x8 bandwidth

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post Jan 21 2024, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jan 20 2024, 10:57 PM)
Do not change RAM to 8GB X2, just add 16GB DDR4-2666. Check the brand of your RAM. Buy back the same model. Low quality power supply is not recommended.  And why still going for RTX 4060 trash?
Talking about this...
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Linus discussed this and came to the same exact conclusion (watch from 8:15 onwards)

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post Jan 21 2024, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(tkwmm @ Jan 20 2024, 09:26 PM)
Btw, just a quick update.

Based on the feedback, for better game experience at 1080P, what my setup need is.

1. new Graphic Card
2. change the RAM into 2X8GB
3. upgrade the psu so it will fit the new GPU

----
Based on price I can find.
Cost for changing min parts only, reuse most of the part.
1. Zotac RTX 4060 - 1600
2. Cooler Master ELITE V4 600W - around RM 220
3. Kingston HyperX FURY 8GB 2666MHz - Around RM75 X2
Cost for changing almost entire sets, reuse some of the part.
1. I5-12400 - around RM750
2. GIGABYTE B760M H D4 (MATX) - around RM450
3. Zotac RTX 4060 - 1600
4. Cooler Master ELITE V4 600W - around RM 220
5. Kingston HyperX FURY 8GB 2666MHz - Around RM75 X2
6. Casing - around 250

which is around 1200 different. I guess the rest is for me to decide it.

If someone can suggest a better budget build, I am always ready to dive deep into it.

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I could always switch to RTX 3060 which cost around RM1500. But not sure 600W is it enough.
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1. I would suggest you dun get ZOTAC GPU. Try go for others. (expensive few RM 1xx for better GPU which have more heatpipes for better thermal dissipation is better than you save the RM 1xx for something else)
2. PSU any will do, as long full load utilization never > 70%, cheaper option can try FSP.
3. For ram, if you wan increase your available memory, I suggest just get another 1x16GB of your same brand ram same clock speed ram.
4. Not mentioning I not sure your case can fit RTX series or not. You might need consider this aspect as well.

This post has been edited by yeo1992cc: Jan 21 2024, 03:56 PM
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post Jan 21 2024, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(tkwmm @ Jan 17 2024, 09:34 PM)
I started having Video TDR failure, and current graphic card GTX 1060 6GB is struggling to run most of the latest game at 1080P.

Thus, I'm considering getting a new graphics card. However, I'm having difficulty deciding whether I should upgrade only the graphics card or if my current build can still last for 3-5 more years with a new graphics card.

My current build:

Processor: i5-9400F
GPU: Zotac GTX 1060 6GB
RAM: 16GBX1 DDR4 2666MHZ
SSD: 240GB
HDD: 2TB
PSU: Thermaltake 450W
MainBoard: MSI B365M Pro-VH mATX

Planning switch to RTX 4060.

Any Budget Gamer / Sifu can advice?
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Have you try stress test your GPU? Try use OCCT.
If OCCT stress test GPU VRAM 15mins and 3D adaptive 1hr no issue. Then you might want to downgrade your GPU driver, and modify TdrDelay to 10 and TdrDdiDelay to 13.
If stress test have error usually GPU hardware side have issue, stress test BSOD might due to PSU.

I myself new brand new RTX 4080 mobile getting Tdr issue as well, but only in Apex Legends. Downgrade driver and modify TdrDelay & TdrDbiDelay resolve the issue for me.

This post has been edited by yeo1992cc: Jan 21 2024, 03:50 PM
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post Jan 21 2024, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(yeo1992cc @ Jan 21 2024, 03:44 PM)
1. I would suggest you dun get ZOTAC GPU. Try go for others. (expensive few RM 1xx for better GPU which have more heatpipes for better thermal dissipation is better than you save the RM 1xx for something else)
2. PSU any will do, as long full load utilization never > 70%, cheaper option can try FSP.
3. For ram, if you wan increase your available memory, I suggest just get another 1x16GB of your same brand ram same clock speed ram.
4. Not mentioning I not sure your case can fit RTX series or not. You might need consider this aspect as well.
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May I know what issues with ZOTAC GPU?

From what I know, ZOTAC cooling design not the best if compare with other well known brand such as MSI. However performance wise they are the same. Cooling part I can resolve by choosing proper casing with fan + aircon.

RMA support, I heard all brand are same, difficult to deal with. I own a MSI before and it died a day before the warranty run out, and the outcome of the RMA is bad (they mentioned they honor the warranty and fix it, but issues was still there). I haven encounter any issues with Zotac gpu.
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QUOTE(tkwmm @ Jan 21 2024, 07:15 PM)
May I know what issues with ZOTAC GPU?

From what I know, ZOTAC cooling design not the best if compare with other well known brand such as MSI. However performance wise they are the same. Cooling part I can resolve by choosing proper casing with fan + aircon.

RMA support, I heard all brand are same, difficult to deal with. I own a MSI before and it died a day before the warranty run out, and the outcome of the RMA is bad (they mentioned they honor the warranty and fix it, but issues was still there). I haven encounter any issues with Zotac gpu.
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As you mentioned, ZOTAC heat dissipation aren't that good. I not sure about new model, but in past Zotac fans is cannot last long. After few years the fans need replaced which required mod the GPU.
If you alright with ZOTAC gpu, just go ahead, just my personal opinion.

 

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