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post Jan 6 2024, 12:39 PM, updated 4 months ago

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Just now, on 6th Dec 2024(Fri) at 11:30 PM, there was suddenly no hot water coming out from the water heater while I was bathing.

I pressed the black button on the left side of the water heater, and now the hot water is working again.

Why did this happen?


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Water heater leaking issue 2nd time at 2024


The electric board of the water heater burned.

That day, it smelled very bad.

The whole house could smell it.


Why?

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post Jan 6 2024, 12:42 PM

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why inside wet ??.. u go and wash the wiring ??..
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post Jan 6 2024, 12:44 PM

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u better blow dry the interior with hair dryer,.. b4 u sambung the power,..
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post Jan 6 2024, 12:45 PM

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the brown wire should be connected to the shower head.

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Also I doubt water heaters are ip68.

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post Jan 6 2024, 12:45 PM

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broo… no scare electrocuted ah

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QUOTE(tatabun @ Jan 6 2024, 12:45 PM)
broo… no scare electrocuted ah

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even the PCB area is wet,..
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post Jan 6 2024, 12:55 PM

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if u need to ask, get an electrician man
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post Jan 6 2024, 12:55 PM

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assuming u bought new unit instead of changing the water reservoir, the internal wiring should be already connected.
U just need to connect the wiring from wall to the unit itself.

its fool proof wiring dont worry if u installed wrong it just wont work. it wont go kaboom
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post Jan 6 2024, 12:56 PM

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Something very very very wrong in those pictures. I am not surprise someone would get electrocuted.
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post Jan 6 2024, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jan 6 2024, 12:39 PM)
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Leaking
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New
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Don't know
But you will find out when you use it later
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post Jan 6 2024, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(Cincai lar @ Jan 6 2024, 12:52 PM)
even the PCB area is wet,..
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Is this normal design?
I don't recall the Panasonic I use have so exposed wiring and connection.
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post Jan 6 2024, 12:59 PM

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post Jan 6 2024, 01:01 PM

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bottom still leaking?
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post Jan 6 2024, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Jan 6 2024, 12:55 PM)
assuming u bought new unit instead of changing the water reservoir, the internal wiring should be already connected.
U just need to connect the wiring from wall to the unit itself.

its fool proof wiring dont worry if u installed wrong it just wont work. it wont go kaboom
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No,.. u must connect earth to earth (green),..neutral to neutral (blue),.. live to live (brown),.. else the ELCB won't trip if shorted,.. and u'll get electrified water,..

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post Jan 6 2024, 01:02 PM

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Throw away that water heater. wires connectors all already turning brown and you still using it ?

3 cores cable entry from outside casing
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post Jan 6 2024, 01:02 PM

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hire an electrician cost about RM80 for heater installation, to save that RM80 for a life... think twice bro
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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jan 6 2024, 12:58 PM)
Is this normal design?
I don't recall the Panasonic I use have so exposed wiring and connection.
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interior shouldn't be wet,.. not only PCB and connecter ,..
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post Jan 6 2024, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(gaman @ Jan 6 2024, 12:56 PM)
Something very very very wrong in those pictures. I am not surprise someone would get electrocuted.
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Please advice which part wrong..



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Joven brand


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come with built in ELCB



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apo lanjiao both all wet inside?......no kena electrocuted yet ah?

and WTF that joven water heater installed all the way so high to the ceiling, TS 7feet tall OR bathroom ceiling extremely low?
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holey shieut
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post Jan 6 2024, 01:09 PM

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There are things that is not worth skimping/saving for when it comes to money, this is one of it. Please save yourself trouble and safety, let ppl install for you. These are technical stuff that can lead to worse case scenario.

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jan 6 2024, 12:39 PM)
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Looks perfect. Should have one more front plastic cover. The one with the buttons and temp control. Knob.

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Throw away the heater and trip the heater MCB now.
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post Jan 6 2024, 01:12 PM

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dont play play, get a professional electrician to fix it
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Better used solar heater, wouldn't kena electrocution.

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QUOTE(blah2blah @ Jan 6 2024, 01:09 PM)
There are things that is not worth skimping/saving for when it comes to money, this is one of it. Please save yourself trouble and safety, let ppl install for you. These are technical stuff that can lead to worse case scenario.
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True
How poor Also. Cannot save money on this kind of stuff. Especially when you do not know what you are doing.
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Just remove old heater and fix new heater follow back same wiring. What's so difficult?

Noobs here everything wanna call people and refuse to learn.
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post Jan 6 2024, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Jan 6 2024, 01:07 PM)
holey shieut
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Why?


Any issue??


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post Jan 6 2024, 01:16 PM

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ok 1315 on 6 jan 2023 ts still replying

him/her/he/she still alive
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post Jan 6 2024, 01:16 PM

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a few concerns..

why internal all wet?
possibly the old wiring too short, you will need a longer wiring
best to dry everything and leave a few days before even try to switch on
presently, in current state, it’s very dangerous
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jan 6 2024, 01:07 PM)
Please advice which part wrong..
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the wet interior !!!...
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post Jan 6 2024, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(blah2blah @ Jan 6 2024, 01:09 PM)
There are things that is not worth skimping/saving for when it comes to money, this is one of it. Please save yourself trouble and safety, let ppl install for you. These are technical stuff that can lead to worse case scenario.
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This is technician install wor

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QUOTE(cycheah @ Jan 6 2024, 01:02 PM)
hire an electrician cost about RM80 for heater installation, to save that RM80 for a life... think twice bro
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Fully agree. Water heaters are high current devices, so if the wiring connection is bad (poor contact), then there is risk of electrical fire. Plus in the domestic context, the water heater pose the highest risk from electrocution in the event of earth leakage. So don't try to save money with the electrical installation. Get a qualified electrician to avoid/minimise risk of electrocution or fire.

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jan 6 2024, 01:17 PM)
This is technician install wor

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then why all the wiring , connector and PCB is wet ??.. u got check the technician license or not ??..
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Kek, brand new but no manual?
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jan 6 2024, 01:17 PM)
This is technician install wor

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if technician install yet you still need to ask... gg la that technician. did he told you need to wash internal 1st before start using? doh.gif

my home heater install by bangala i also confident they are doing fine...
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QUOTE(pureawesomeness @ Jan 6 2024, 01:14 PM)
Just remove old heater and fix new heater follow back same wiring. What's so difficult?

Noobs here everything wanna call people and refuse to learn.
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at times isn't wiring issue... if the screw hole isn't same as previous heater... u need to drill hole o. i b40 thin chicken don't have enough strength to manual drill hole myself.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jan 6 2024, 01:17 PM)
This is technician install wor

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so confused.

Why technician need spray water all over it? Ur house got no towel to wipe? Why do u need to ask us correct or not installation even after u called technician? Is he even a proper technician or someone who "trust me bro" and offer u help for free?

I have so many question!!!
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Water heater wiring usually is 2.5mm but after several years, it will hardened and become crusty. Should change too. Now latest info must use 4 or 6mm. I used 8mm because shit will happen.
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I was considering buying one of these as oppose to direct tank pump.... After seeing this... I definitely will get the tank pump.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jan 6 2024, 01:17 PM)
This is technician install wor

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Kek the L N E wires bundled together?
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i assume trolling then i read the username, tabley. this poster has a record of being double digit IQ.
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First wrong... This is not for malaysia market?
No current transformer no test button no contactor

Show the model and casing pls
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jan 6 2024, 01:17 PM)
This is technician install wor

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Better buy from malaysia higher standard
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post Jan 6 2024, 01:38 PM

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Why inside of this water heater look so cheap, I believe there are no safety features in it.
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QUOTE(Cincai lar @ Jan 6 2024, 01:20 PM)
then why all the wiring , connector and PCB is wet ??.. u got check the technician license or not ??..
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Sorry lar.The houseowner just ask his brother Friend help.....




He is plumbing technician actually
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Better use Panasonic
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Kek the L N E wires bundled together?
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Panasonic also LNE wires bundled together right?
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post Jan 6 2024, 01:48 PM

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Why there cum leaking at the outlet
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QUOTE(TanahGagal @ Jan 6 2024, 01:39 PM)
Better use Panasonic
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Panasonic inside wiring any special?
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incoming wire from above. If water spray on the wire, due to gravity will flow inside the water heater then gg.

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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 6 2024, 01:31 PM)
Water heater wiring usually is 2.5mm but after several years, it will hardened and become crusty. Should change too. Now latest info must use 4 or 6mm. I used 8mm because shit will happen.
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Just use double insulation wire better


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QUOTE(keyser soze @ Jan 6 2024, 01:51 PM)
incoming wire from above. If water spray on the wire, due to gravity will flow inside the water heater then gg.
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Panasonic inside wiring any special?


Why manafacterer never cover life and neutral wire but not cover Ground (earth) wire?
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Can you explain more?
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not bad
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jan 6 2024, 01:45 PM)
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Panasonic also LNE wires bundled together right?
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nope,.. it's your house incoming power supply bundle together,..

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no technician in their right mind would do this,.. if turn on the switch,.. your whole house might trip,..
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Wow this could be the lowest end water heater. Don't have the built in ELCB (EELS in some water heater) too. And what with the hose? Why reuse the old shower head?
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how can u let water into ac circuit ? maybe we can see you on tomorrow or next week's newspaper, im not sure if your insurance cover your death or not, maybe they dont see this as accident, more like suicide.
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post Jan 6 2024, 02:11 PM

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Either unit defective or technician somehow made some mistake while connecting the water supply.
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QUOTE(xperiaVuser @ Jan 6 2024, 02:11 PM)
Either unit defective or technician somehow made some mistake while connecting the water supply.
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you dont open up the unit when connecting water supply or powering it up. sequence is important for sensitive equipment like that, and usually device like this require electricians.
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QUOTE(narf03 @ Jan 6 2024, 02:19 PM)
you dont open up the unit when connecting water supply or powering it up. sequence is important for sensitive equipment like that, and usually device like this require electricians.
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There is a chance water might go in from the bottom even with the cover on, with high water pressure even easier.
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QUOTE(xperiaVuser @ Jan 6 2024, 02:22 PM)
There is a chance water might go in from the bottom even with the cover on, with high water pressure even easier.
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no, the water connection is outside the unit, water cannot go in unless the bath room is flooding up to the water heater height.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jan 6 2024, 01:45 PM)
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QUOTE(xperiaVuser @ Jan 6 2024, 02:22 PM)
There is a chance water might go in from the bottom even with the cover on, with high water pressure even easier.
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real plumber will turn off incoming water b4 installing,.. not installing piping with running water,...
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Jan 6 2024, 02:24 PM)
Was referring to your incoming, first picture
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kopi "O" punya technician,.. no matter wiring or plumbing,...
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Another suicide attempt ....due to installation of water heater by uncertified tech
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Is the water heater missing ECB? Also why the boiler container is plastic.. Macam not design with safety in mind.
Also the connection of the water pipe source is terbalik.

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QUOTE(Cincai lar @ Jan 6 2024, 02:25 PM)
real plumber will turn off incoming water b4 installing,.. not installing piping with running water,...
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That's why I said the installer might have made a mistake, do you see the ceiling is all wet as well. Water could've shot up from the supply
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jan 6 2024, 01:56 PM)
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Why manafacterer never  cover life and neutral wire but not cover Ground (earth) wire?
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nothing special. The problem mainly is the outside wire. Water will follow the wire into your water heater if the wire is at high level.
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QUOTE(keyser soze @ Jan 6 2024, 02:33 PM)
nothing special. The problem mainly is the outside wire. Water will follow the wire into your water heater if the wire is at high level.
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no,.. this the real reason TS is attempting suicide,..

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QUOTE(Brotherjoe @ Jan 6 2024, 02:28 PM)
Is the water heater missing ECB? Also why the boiler container is plastic.. Macam not design with safety in mind.
Also the connection of the water pipe source is terbalik.
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Left side or right side?
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Left side or right side?
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inlet is right side.. outlet is left side... you dont need valve at the outlet.
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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Jul 16 2023, 11:51 AM)
Think 2.5mm² is considered too small for water heaters? They're rated at about 20A. If you use at maximum temperature, I think the wires will overheat.

25A is the maximum current but a 10mA leakage should trigger the trip.
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Jul 16 2023, 12:00 PM)
By right, 4mm is the spec
In practice 2.5mm is commonly installed

2.5mm boleh-lah if it’s 20A MCB because it is still within the 21A max current calc of the cable. Most heaters around 14-16A for 3300-3800W. However cannot use highlands model 4800/5200W with 2.5mm ⚠️

I don’t recommend the Schnitzel RCBO because the 25A too big for over current protection if used with 2.5mm cable ⚠️⚠️. Match a 10mA standalone RCD with 16/20A MCB depending on heater size.
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Water heater died on me last night, Recommend me a replacement brand?
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Better buy Panasonic with built-in ELCB

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https://www.sinardaily.my/article/172257/ma...ot-water-heater

TS want to get in news like this?
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Jan 6 2024, 12:59 PM)
On electric to test
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QUOTE(mushypancake @ Jan 6 2024, 12:45 PM)
the brown wire should be connected to the shower head.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Also I doubt water heaters are ip68.
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Is there a lack of a bypass pipe connected to the hot water outlet pipe or the cold water inlet pipe?


Because now just 3 months,this heater spoiled again.


Big leaking issue.


But this house water pressure is very big.....


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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 28 2024, 08:55 PM)
Is there a lack of a bypass pipe connected to the hot water outlet pipe or the cold water inlet pipe?
Because now just 3 months,this heater spoiled again.
Big leaking issue.
But this house water pressure is very big.....
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If this happen 2nd time, the heater shouldn't be use anymore. The plastic pipe is weak and cannot stand the water pressure.

Got to check the actual water pressure. Find a better spec heater that can stand the pressure.
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QUOTE(Cincai lar @ Jan 6 2024, 01:58 PM)
nope,.. it's your house incoming power supply bundle together,..

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no technician in their right mind would do this,.. if turn on the switch,.. your whole house might trip,..
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Jan 6 2024, 02:24 PM)
Was referring to your incoming, first picture
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QUOTE(Cincai lar @ Jan 6 2024, 02:36 PM)
no,.. this the real reason TS is attempting suicide,..

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Normally the electrician doing this is to makesure nobody ON the switch when he doing the work.

If somebody ON the switch, the RCD trip and save the guy working on the site.

It's an old traditional way safety. Doesn't write in the text book. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 28 2024, 09:37 PM)
If this happen 2nd time, the heater shouldn't be use anymore. The plastic pipe is weak and cannot stand the water pressure.

Got to check the actual water pressure. Find a better spec heater that can stand the pressure.
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This is not plastic pipe.It is metal
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 28 2024, 09:41 PM)
Normally the electrician doing this is to makesure nobody ON the switch when he doing the work.

If somebody ON the switch, the RCD trip and save the guy working on the site.

It's an old traditional way safety.  Doesn't write in the text book. tongue.gif
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but if you accidentally jump N and E the house will trip
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Why so stingy man
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May I know do this house lack 1 bypass piping to hot or cold water pipe?


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QUOTE(geelim77 @ Jan 6 2024, 01:07 PM)
apo lanjiao both all wet inside?......no kena electrocuted yet ah?

and WTF that joven water heater installed all the way so high to the ceiling, TS 7feet tall OR bathroom ceiling extremely low?
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It is because safety.


The shower head should not spray water accidentally onto the water heater's outer surface.

Is your house's water heater installed very low?

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 28 2024, 09:59 PM)
May I know do this house lack 1 bypass piping to hot or cold water pipe?
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why do you need a bypass?
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 28 2024, 10:59 PM)
May I know do this house lack 1 bypass piping to hot or cold water pipe?
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No need bypass, this is not process cooling.
Replace the heater and don't use steel pipe connector use PVC instead.

Add one manual valve for cold water.
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QUOTE(kswee @ May 28 2024, 10:16 PM)
No need bypass, this is not process cooling.
Replace the heater and don't use steel pipe connector use PVC instead.

Add one manual valve for cold water.
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1) Why can't we use a steel pipe connector and instead use a PVC pipe?

2) Do you work in the HVAC (Heating, Ventilation, and Air Conditioning) sector?

Actually, some tenants always leave the switch on and never turn it off, even when the water heater is already leaking.

3) If I add one more valve for cold water pipe, will I need to open two valves when I bathe?

4)Do you want to decrease the pressure by adding one more valve?

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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ May 28 2024, 09:49 PM)
but if you accidentally jump N and E the house will trip
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Once it join together, if it trip, it will trip.

2nd, heater wiring are individual and no looping.
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 28 2024, 10:45 PM)
Once it join together, if it trip, it will trip.

2nd, heater wiring are individual and no looping.
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Is this joven brand too lousy?

I plan to change to panasonic brand



In 7 months,2 units spoiled.



https://www.bestdenki.com.sg/1004529-panaso...-dh-3ns1sw.html

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I think the hot/cold pipings are for storage heater. Apasal install instant heater pulak?

Also, the shut off valve stops the water inlet or water outlet? If water outlet, it's dangerous as instant heaters iinm don't have pressure relief valve.
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May I know do this house lack 1 bypass piping to hot or cold water pipe?
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Why is the gap so huge right after the elbow connector?

Why are the so many unnecessary connectors in between?

Why steel pipe and no fastener or clip holding in between joints?
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 28 2024, 10:48 PM)
Is this joven brand too lousy?

I plan to change to panasonic brand
In 7 months,2 units spoiled.
https://www.bestdenki.com.sg/1004529-panaso...-dh-3ns1sw.html
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topkek, 7 months, 2units spoilt and can ask if it's lousy

of course it is. when the thread started ktards already warned you about the absence of elcb in the water heater.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 28 2024, 10:04 PM)
It is because safety.
The shower head should not spray water accidentally onto the water heater's outer surface.

Is your house's water heater installed very low?
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my water heater installed slightly above head level lor, hardly kena water when mandi, unless naughty son play n splash......no where so near the ceiling like TS lor.......either TS too tall or his ceiling too low.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 28 2024, 10:48 PM)
Is this joven brand too lousy?

I plan to change to panasonic brand
In 7 months,2 units spoiled.
https://www.bestdenki.com.sg/1004529-panaso...-dh-3ns1sw.html
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last time I used joven too........ok lar, mine last 6 years then rosak.
If your case 7 months rosak 2 unit, you better check your electrical wire lor. Don't play play
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QUOTE(mushigen @ May 28 2024, 10:55 PM)
I think the hot/cold pipings are for storage heater. Apasal install instant heater pulak?

Also, the shut off valve stops the water inlet or water outlet? If water outlet, it's dangerous as instant heaters iinm don't have pressure relief valve.
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An instant water heater can use both hot and cold pipes right?

Is an internal heater tank a good option for this type of water tank material?

Should be metal but not plastic right?

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last time I used joven too........ok lar, mine last 6 years then rosak.
If your case 7 months rosak 2 unit, you better check your electrical wire lor. Don't play play
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Is an internal heater tank a good option for this type of water tank material?

Should be metal but not plastic right?


Your Joven also use plastic water tank?

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Is the water heater missing ECB? Also why the boiler container is plastic.. Macam not design with safety in mind.
Also the connection of the water pipe source is terbalik.
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Panasonic brand water heater water container is steel.

But joven brand is plastic....


Thats why 7 months spoiled 2 units?

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An instant water heater can use both hot and cold pipes right?

Is an internal heater tank a good option for this type of water tank material?

Should be metal but not plastic right?
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Instant water heaters only have one cold water inlet pipe. You regulate the water temperature by toggling the set temperature switch/knob.

The isolation valve is located at the inlet of the heater. The outlet of heater is not supposed to have any valve to avoid over pressuring the heater and cause internal leakage.

Also, you're not supposed to use steel hose or pipe to connect to the heater to reduce risk of electrocution.
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QUOTE(Brotherjoe @ Jan 6 2024, 02:28 PM)
Is the water heater missing ECB? Also why the boiler container is plastic.. Macam not design with safety in mind.
Also the connection of the water pipe source is terbalik.
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The heating coils are not supposed to be subjected to any pressure by having the water stop valve at the inlet and no valve at the outlet.
I highly suspect TS' connected his instant heater the way storage heaters are connected. The difference between them is storage heaters have pressure relief valve and instant heaters don't (or I've yet to see any). So any overpressure in instant heaters will cause internal leakage as in TS' case.
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Is this joven brand too lousy?

I plan to change to panasonic brand
In 7 months,2 units spoiled.
https://www.bestdenki.com.sg/1004529-panaso...-dh-3ns1sw.html
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There is no different in what model.

Tell me more detail where is the exact the leak.

I probably can understand why it leak.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ May 28 2024, 11:48 PM)
The heating coils are not supposed to be subjected to any pressure by having the water stop valve at the inlet and no valve at the outlet.
I highly suspect TS' connected his instant heater the way storage heaters are connected. The difference between them is storage heaters have pressure relief valve and instant heaters don't (or I've yet to see any). So any overpressure in instant heaters will cause internal leakage as in TS' case.
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I think Panasonic brand water heaters have the valve you mentioned.

But kesian Joven brand do not have the valve.

Does this valve reduce the pressure from the main water supply pipe of the water company?

Some water companies supply water to our house pipes at too high a pressure.

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 28 2024, 11:52 PM)
There is no different in what model.

Tell me more detail where is the exact the leak.

I probably can understand why it leak.
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Is an internal heater tank a good option for this type of water tank material?

Should be metal but not plastic right?
Your Joven also use plastic water tank?
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last time my joven used plastic tank.
currently using Panasonic, with copper tank n piping.

Of cos copper better n last longer lor.

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QUOTE(mushigen @ May 28 2024, 11:48 PM)
The heating coils are not supposed to be subjected to any pressure by having the water stop valve at the inlet and no valve at the outlet.
I highly suspect TS' connected his instant heater the way storage heaters are connected. The difference between them is storage heaters have pressure relief valve and instant heaters don't (or I've yet to see any). So any overpressure in instant heaters will cause internal leakage as in TS' case.
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But normal what brand water heater also have this valve to control water volume right?
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But normal what brand water heater also have this valve to control water volume right?
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No need. Pana push start just press the big button to on/off water and heater together gether.
Water valve is there but hardly touch. TBH, water valve-sahaja (no push start) is B40 model.
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QUOTE(Cincai lar @ Jan 6 2024, 02:36 PM)
no,.. this the real reason TS is attempting suicide,..

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Topkek

See the piping go huru hara all over also likely overtightened AF and cracked the inlet plastic connector of the WH whistling.gif

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where is the pipe joint leak? It is from the hot water outlet joint?

Exactly at where?
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I think Panasonic brand water heaters have the valve you mentioned.

But kesian Joven brand do not have the valve.

Does this valve reduce the pressure from the main water supply pipe of the water company?

Some water companies supply water to our house pipes at too high a pressure.
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It controls water VOLUME not PRESSURE.
If there is a problem with extreme pressure, make a report on LifeSG

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ May 29 2024, 12:00 AM)
No need. Pana push start just press the big button to on/off water and heater together gether.
Water valve is there but hardly touch. TBH, water valve-sahaja (no push start) is B40 model.
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See the piping go huru hara all over also likely overtightened AF and cracked the inlet plastic connector of the WH whistling.gif
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My house in Malaysia also uses a Panasonic water heater, and we've had it for 9 years already.

However, I need to close the volume switch every time after pressing the big button on the Panasonic water heater.

If I don't do this, water keeps coming out even after pressing the big button.


The same thing happens when I want to take a bath.

If I don't open the water volume switch and only press the big button of panasonic water heater, no water will supply to the water heater, and it will make a noisy sound due to high pressure.



Why like that?


This Joven water heater is at singapore house.
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where is the pipe joint leak? It is from the hot water outlet joint?

Exactly at where?
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Actually is water tank leak..
Internal leak

I saw before last time...

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ May 29 2024, 12:00 AM)
No need. Pana push start just press the big button to on/off water and heater together gether.
Water valve is there but hardly touch. TBH, water valve-sahaja (no push start) is B40 model.
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See the piping go huru hara all over also likely overtightened AF and cracked the inlet plastic connector of the WH whistling.gif
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The pipe is not huru hara (messy), but the wiring is huru hara.

I've used this water heater for 3 months without any issues. After 3 months, it started to have a small leak.

Now is big leak.

If the nut is overtightened, it would cause an external leak but not an internal leak.

How can the nut below the steel pipe affect the internal water tank?

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 29 2024, 12:08 AM)
My house in Malaysia also uses a Panasonic water heater, and we've had it for 9 years already.

However, I need to close the volume switch every time after pressing the big button on the Panasonic water heater.

If I don't do this, water keeps coming out even after pressing the big button.
The same thing happens when I want to take a bath.

If I don't open the water volume switch and only press the big button of panasonic water heater, no water will supply to the water heater, and it will make a noisy sound due to high pressure.
Why like that?
This Joven water heater is at singapore house.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 28 2024, 11:55 PM)
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I think Panasonic brand water heaters have the valve you mentioned.

But kesian Joven brand do not have the valve.

Does this valve reduce the pressure from the main water supply pipe of the water company?

Some water companies supply water to our house pipes at too high a pressure.
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The part you circled should be the flow switch which switches on the power to the heater and cuts off the power when there's no water flow.

The high supply water pressure should not be an issue because you can regulate the flow (hence the pressure) by using the inlet valve.

As I said, if you installed a stop valve at the outlet (hot water side), you risk over pressuring the heater coil.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 29 2024, 12:14 AM)
The pipe is not huru hara (messy), but the wiring is huru hara.

I've used this water heater for 3 months without any issues. After 3 months, it started to have a small leak.

Now is big leak.

If the nut is overtightened, it would cause an external leak but not an internal leak.

How can the nut below the steel pipe affect the internal water tank?
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The piping nut is using compression fitting. By right it’s supposed to use hand tight only not twist until the tank break. If using flexihose the procedure is turn using hand and add a 1/4 turn with spinner and stop. It is sealed by the washer French kiss NOT by the screw thread. The plastic tank is not supposed to use compression fitting with the olive ring inside. It will break.

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 29 2024, 12:14 AM)
The pipe is not huru hara (messy), but the wiring is huru hara.

I've used this water heater for 3 months without any issues. After 3 months, it started to have a small leak.

Now is big leak.

If the nut is overtightened, it would cause an external leak but not an internal leak.

How can the nut below the steel pipe affect the internal water tank?
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That piping is meant to be for a storage water heater.
Hence the 3 pipes in the wall.
1 for cold water in.
1 for hot water out
1 for excess water due to the pressure valve.

Installing an instant water heater with no elcb instead of a storage water heater is suicide.

Switch this out for a proper storage water heater. You can get the same brand too if you like.
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That piping is meant to be for a storage water heater.
Hence the 3 pipes in the wall.
1 for cold water in.
1 for hot water out
1 for excess water due to the pressure valve.

Installing an instant water heater with no elcb instead of a storage water heater is suicide.

Switch this out for a proper storage water heater. You can get the same brand too if you like.
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Actually, this Joven brand water heater has an safety features like built in ELCB.


The other day, a water leak caused a power trip because the wire inside the water heater is connected to the ground wire.

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The piping nut is using compression fitting. By right it’s supposed to use hand tight only not twist until the tank break. If using flexihose the procedure is turn using hand and add a 1/4 turn with spinner and stop. It is sealed by the washer French kiss NOT by the screw thread. The plastic tank is not supposed to use compression fitting with the olive ring inside. It will break.
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The below blue circle?
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Why is the gap so huge right after the elbow connector?

Why are the so many unnecessary connectors in between?

Why steel pipe and no fastener or clip holding in between joints?
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Between the hot and cold pipes, there is a drain off pipe in the middle if you want to use other type of water heater.

Water heater with a big water tank outside...


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Please look at all the photos I posted again.


What type of fastener did you mention? I don't understand.

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somehow i dont feel safe with metal pipes. If there are electrical leak from the heater to the metal pipe and accidentally touched it....
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somehow i dont feel safe with metal pipes. If there are electrical leak from the heater to the metal pipe and accidentally touched it....
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The ELCB already cuts off all the house power if there is any electric leak.
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Hi Ts,

There is question , why u install instant heater instead of storage water heater ? Coz the piping not design for instant heater. Normally instant heater outlet straight to shower head right.

As some other mention, hot water outlet shouldn’t be any valve.

Hot water outlet piping to your shower head was indirectly as valve when u on/off water your shower head.





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Joven brand water heater come without built-in ELCB
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Joven brand water heater come without built-in ELCB
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But still safe to use?

Actually, this Joven brand water heater has an safety features like built in ELCB.


The other day, a water leak caused a power trip because the wire inside the water heater is connected to the ground wire



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Hi Ts,

There is question , why u install instant heater instead of storage water heater ?  Coz the piping not design for instant heater. Normally instant heater outlet straight to shower head right.

As some other mention, hot water outlet shouldn’t be any valve.

The hot water outlet piping to your shower head is indirectly controlled by a valve when you turn the water on or off for your shower head.


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The hot water outlet piping to your shower head is indirectly controlled by a valve when you turn the water on or off for your shower head.


This cause my water heater leak?

This should be built by government or houseowner.

But now valve is on cold water pipe but not hot water pipe.

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How to destroy your house 101.
Ts.

Get a proper technician.
U having metal pipes also fail d.

Nowadays got label that the outlets near the heater should not be metal...
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QUOTE(shadowglow @ May 29 2024, 05:04 AM)
How to destroy your house 101.
Ts.

Get a proper technician.
U having metal pipes also fail d.

Nowadays got label that the outlets near the heater should not be metal...
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Later technician will come.


But he is not a professional one


This is rent house.

Houseowner want to save money
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Should pasang this kind of heater...

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My house instant water heater only straight to shower head, why got so many pipes one lol

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Not sure, People say Joven brand sucks…
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Leaking is because

1. Ur water is too dirty and muddy
2. The small filter near outlet already all jammed with mud and dirt
3. Water pressure high and jam due to mud clogging
4. Leaking start at inlet area due to bottleneck pressure

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 29 2024, 12:10 AM)
Actually is water tank leak..
Internal leak

I saw before last time...
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The leaking is probably the heater is constantly under pressure all the time.

From the installation of the heater, the bathroom is on another side. That means you only off the valve at the shower head after a bath at another side.

That leads to the heater underpressure all the time. The way of usage is wrong for such heater.

Such heater after bath require to OFF the valve at the water inlet side. The heater always come with the shut OFF/ON valve at the inlet side. So the water pressure is stop at before the shut OFF/ON valve.

No matter what brand or model, it will leak after sometime.

If you want to use as your way, get the storage water heater. Storage water heater tank can be under pressure and have a safety valve for over pressure. It can install in any place.
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The hot water outlet piping to your shower head is indirectly controlled by a valve when you turn the water on or off for your shower head.


This cause my water heater leak?

This should be built by government or houseowner.

But now valve is on cold water pipe but not hot water pipe.
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Adui, I have stated so many times instant water heaters aren't supposed to have a water stop valve at the outlet.

Your configuration comes with a valve at the outlet line (hot water) to stop water flow, correct?

If so,
1) get it removed and reroute the piping to add stop valve at the inlet, or

2) change to a storage heater

And

3) don't use steel piping or steel hose to connect to instant heater heater.

You are lucky your heater circuit presumably has a 10mA RCCB since it's Singapore, else you upcar liao.
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QUOTE(Boomwick @ May 29 2024, 07:40 AM)
Leaking is because

1. Ur water is too dirty and muddy
2. The small filter near outlet already all jammed with mud and dirt
3. Water pressure high and jam due to mud clogging
4. Leaking start at inlet area due to bottleneck pressure
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The filter is located at the inlet. If that filter is clogged, leakage would be at upstream of the filter which is outside of the heater housing.
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The filter is located at the inlet. If that filter is clogged, leakage would be at upstream of the filter which is outside of the heater housing.
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Yea.. isnt that pic showing those dirt rust water leaking out from inlet pipe? Or ts got other leaking?
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the plumbing is for heater tank, not instant heater - note the metal/chrome piping
you need to know the max pressure at the place, these instant heaters can hold up to certain pressure only

the control valve should be at inlet, not outlet
you just need 1 valve to control the water flow

for those instant heater with built-in pump, stop the heater before closing the valve

the square shaped thing is for water flow sensor, to activate the heater only when water flows... this thing also can fail, and cause heater to either not function, or continuously boil the water

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I suggest you find a different plumber technician

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you need a proper multipoint water heater
either storage / instant kind

just install instant multipoint water heater
joven also got

if not Stiebel Eltron / rheem

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Not sure, People say Joven brand sucks…
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For every complaint about this brand, ayam sure there are 10 praises for this.
How long a heater lasts depends on installation, usage and water quality.
Users who full blast water flow will naturally need to increase heating rate, shortening its lifespan.

A bathroom with more users will naturally wear out the heater faster.

A house with "harder" water will increase deposits lay down in heating coil, causing hot spots and poor heat conduction and thus users need to increase heating power, shortening its lifespan.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ May 29 2024, 10:30 AM)
For every complaint about this brand, ayam sure there are 10 praises for this.
How long a heater lasts depends on installation, usage and water quality.
Users who full blast water flow will naturally need to increase heating rate, shortening its lifespan.

A bathroom with more users will naturally wear out the heater faster.

A house with "harder" water will increase deposits lay down in heating coil, causing hot spots and poor heat conduction and thus users need to increase heating power, shortening its lifespan.
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I think average users don't want to know these.... reality is a bit sad
see the photo, oredi warning there... chrome pipe or faucet should not be used
electric, water, metal should not mix, and the recipe is complete here
just lucky the ELCB is tripped, else later found out "elcb is bypassed because always trip since the plumbing technician say is ok"
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TS been trying to kill himself for months and haven't succeeded? Lol

I think most people correctly pointed out that these piping are meant to be used with storage water heater. TS pulak installed instant water heater. And do you always turn on the inlet valve before use and turn it OFF after use?
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1st picture and this, kennot imagine how TS didn't see sparks flying or tak masuk lagi berita for electrocution.


Gila tau to see ayer inside the unit mega_shok.gif
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ May 29 2024, 10:21 AM)
hold on why guna steel pipe
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looks like sinjiapor to me
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i'm using the same model n brand that TS use for my condo in KL

few years using it so far so good
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QUOTE(Boomwick @ May 29 2024, 07:40 AM)
Leaking is because

1. Ur water is too dirty and muddy
2. The small filter near outlet already all jammed with mud and dirt
3. Water pressure high and jam due to mud clogging
4. Leaking start at inlet area due to bottleneck pressure
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Singapore water is super clean.....

I think leak is because of piping or joven brand ?
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i'm using the same model n brand that TS use for my condo in KL

few years using it so far so good
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Do your house use 2 metal pipe also?
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1st picture and this, kennot imagine how TS didn't see sparks flying or tak masuk lagi berita for electrocution.
Gila tau to see ayer inside the unit  mega_shok.gif
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The technician is not water heater expert

Houseowner want to save money
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TS been trying to kill himself for months and haven't succeeded? Lol

I think most people correctly pointed out that these piping are meant to be used with storage water heater. TS pulak installed instant water heater. And do you always turn on the inlet valve before use and turn it OFF after use?
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The white big rotating one is inlet valve?
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I think average users don't want to know these.... reality is a bit sad
see the photo, oredi warning there... chrome pipe or faucet should not be used
electric, water, metal should not mix, and the recipe is complete here
just lucky the ELCB is tripped, else later found out "elcb is bypassed because always trip since the plumbing technician say is ok"
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The technician last time told me his main job is to install lighting, not to work on water heaters. Maybe he also doesn't understand how water heaters work..

So the homeowner wants to save money...

Last time he told me not to use the maximum water volume; he said this would spoil the water heater.

But the water is still cold, and even after 5 minutes, no hot water comes out.

So I use maximum water volume.
This will cause leaking?


Do you think what he told me is true?


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wait... the heater is connected to the hot water supply of the whole unit?
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wait... the heater is connected to the hot water supply of the whole unit?
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Hi,

I am not sure what you are asking.This is instant water heater but not boiler type.

Here is what I know:

The water heater that is leaking is inside the bathroom near the living room area.

There is also a bathroom in the master bedroom.

There should be one more water heater inside, but I am not sure because I have never entered the room before.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me.

Thanks for your reply.
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Do your house use 2 metal pipe also?
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plastic inlet

outlet terus shower hose
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wait... the heater is connected to the hot water supply of the whole unit?
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For my guess the red and blue is exiting piping, homeowners probably remove the existing boiler and install this new instant heater

If you see the diagram probably cold via instant heater and exit old hot piping shower head

ts should save all the hassle only use the incoming blue piping and only use the stock shower head+flexible hose given by the instant water heater

Since the exiting piping is conceal under the wall if the wall is cold and is long also the wall also good at absorb heat i guess by the time reaching at the end the water ia already cold


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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 29 2024, 12:37 PM)
The technician last time told me his main job is to install lighting, not to work on water heaters. Maybe he also doesn't understand how water heaters work..

So the homeowner wants to save money...

Last time he told me not to use the maximum water volume; he said this would spoil the water heater.

But the water is still cold, and even after 5 minutes, no hot water comes out.

So I use maximum water volume.
This will cause leaking?
Do you think what he told me is true?
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Shower output water temperature is resulted by:

1. Water heater's power rating | The higher the power rating, the hotter the output water temperature. Yours is 3.3kW 230V, possibly one of the lowest power rating in the market, hence output water temperature is only so-so.

2. Water flow rate | The faster the water flow, the lower the output water temperature (less contact time between incoming water and the heating element). So if you increase your water flow, u will get lower output water temperature, not the other way around.

3. Distance between water heater and output | The longer the distance the water heater's output water has to travel before reaching users, the more heat loss, hence the lower the output water temperature. Such low power rating 3.3kW water heater should be using their provided plastic hose and handset, not connect back into the wall (this will cause a lot of heat loss).

4. Hose material from water heater to output | The more heat conductive the material, the more heat loss, the lower the output water temperature. U are using metal, which is highly heat conductive, hence more heat loss, as compared to using the plastic hose provided with the water heater.

5. Incoming water temperature | The lower in the incoming water temperature, the lower the output water temperature.


Conclusion, if you want to use the water heater with this current piping setting, u need to get an instant water heater with higher power rating, and make sure it is using copper tank since (I am guessing) your water pressure is extremely high.


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Yes. Or you could have turned off BOTH of these in your photo here when not in use
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so where is the water leak from .

from pix i guess the steel pipe /black connect at the outlet ??

maybe need more tape at the joint/


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Surprise TS still alive.
Change to Panasonic, use all non-metal pipes
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Surprise TS still alive.
Change to Panasonic, use all non-metal pipes
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May I know why metal pipe is not suitable for water heaters?
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so where is the water leak from .

from pix  i guess the steel pipe  /black connect  at the outlet ??

maybe need more tape at the joint/
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Internal water tank inside water heater is burst.

The cover



Water pressure too high
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QUOTE(Aurora Boreali @ May 29 2024, 01:38 PM)
Yes. Or you could have turned off BOTH of these in your photo here when not in use
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Why must turn off everytime ?
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You got some balls
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The plumber technician is quite bold. He just does things haphazardly without following proper SOP. It's not me.

Actually, I'm not sure if he knows how to change or install a water heater 100%.


He doesn't seem like a professional plumber.



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My goodness, ask the expert to get it done. Save your life and also your precious time.
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If ts don't want overdone suggest using this simple method, the setup your have right now are over configuration

Try not to using elbow around inlet can create air lock
On red circle
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Use male to male for wall cold water

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Then flexible hose all the way to instant water heater inlet how long you need i tak tahu sendiri measure but this nylon hose can sustain 3 to 4 bar without issues make sure you keep the existing oring when tighten this flexible hose if not given remember to bought 4 pcs in case water heater exit stock flexible hose dah hilang

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Don't forgot all the male balut white tape in clockwise direction if you do it counter clockwise can tear up the White tap when tighten it

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This is more cost effective and budget and very straightforward

If you know what you doing

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My goodness, ask the expert to get it done. Save your life and also your precious time.
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Later, he will come to install a new water heater. I'm not sure if he bought a Panasonic brand or still a Joven brand.


I need to sleep now; I have a night shift later.

So, update here by me maybe around 6:15 PM.

I just rent this house. I think the homeowner wants to save money by hiring cheap labor.

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The white big rotating one is inlet valve?
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Yes. Or you could have turned off BOTH of these in your photo here when not in use
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 29 2024, 01:56 PM)
Why must turn off everytime ?
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Nowonder TS busted 2 heaters in the span of few months


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Nowonder TS busted 2 heaters in the span of few months
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My friend never turns off this valve at another house.


They use a Panasonic brand water heater in the bathroom, and there have been no issues for a few years already.


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My friend never turns off this valve at another house.
They use a Panasonic brand water heater in the bathroom, and there have been no issues for a few years already.
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panasonic usually use a metal can heater
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QUOTE(Momo33 @ May 29 2024, 02:26 PM)
panasonic  usually  use a  metal can heater
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So, the Joven brand uses a plastic water tank that cannot withstand the inlet valve being open (high pressure) all the time?

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So this Joven brand use plastic water tank and cannot tahan inlet valve not closed(high pressure) all the time?
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yes.. i think so .

the pana can is 1 complete metal can unit ..
the joven can is a metal top fused to a plastic can ... that seal maybe not strong enough.


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QUOTE(Momo33 @ May 29 2024, 02:36 PM)
yes.. i think so .

the pana can is  1  complete metal can  unit ..
the joven  can is  a metal top  fused to a plastic can ...  that  seal  maybe not strong enough.
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the model i own one with jet pump the other no pump already 8 Year from pana entry level series with external 0.5hp tsunami water booster can reach 4bar not even single leak all this while, either joven build quality cacat or whatever reason probably airlock on elbow causing the leak due to water hammer

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Even deka non pump entry level with 0.5hp water pump also no sign of leak after 5 year use , all water heater i have no hard piping is use only flexible hose for intake , probably more atas level have more better build quality that one i tak tahu

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Forgot to mention all this water heater I'm sendiri yang pasang 😂😂

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 29 2024, 11:51 AM)
Singapore water is super clean.....

I think leak is because of piping or joven brand ?
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Maybe is piping
Or rubber seal no good already.. the heater hot water expand the pipe and sudah longgar..
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QUOTE(zuozi @ May 29 2024, 03:00 PM)
the model i own one with jet pump the other no pump already 8 Year from pana entry level series with external 0.5hp tsunami water booster can reach 4bar not even single leak all this while, either joven build quality cacat or whatever reason probably airlock on elbow causing the leak due to water hammer

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Even deka non pump entry level with 0.5hp water pump also no sign of leak after 5 year use , all water heater i have no hard piping is use only flexible hose for intake , probably more atas level have more better build quality that one i tak tahu

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Forgot to mention all this water heater I'm sendiri yang pasang 😂😂
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Power bro.You are professional pumber or work in Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning (HVAC) sector?

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Power bro.You are professional pumber or work in Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning (HVAC) sector?
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I'm more on heavy equipment Field, when those cibai field friend i call them come fixed it they usually speak on phone and saying very simple punya i borrow you tools just get this and that tap here and there and problem solve , that how i gain all this skill , if you also have rich DIY experience you also can do it lah for most house hold stuff

Just sometimes don't over complicated make it simple
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 29 2024, 01:54 PM)
May I know why metal pipe is not suitable for water heaters?
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Singapore HDB like to use metal hose...


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Singapore HDB like to use metal hose...
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When I rented my unit I alr checked out the WH and DB box before committing to the lease..

Plus the hose is not expensive (flexihose or plastic shower hose)

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Piping problem, use flex hose at inlet and outlet at water heater.

The metal length incorrect length causing leak.

Don't cheap stake, go get a unit with ELCB like panasonic

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TS. if ur renting u should report this to hdb. that low grade joven instant heater is not meant to be connected directly from water inlet and to hot water outlet. it cannot take the pressure. this piping is only for storage heaters. that hot water outlet is to supply to all the bathroom in the house. no instant heater has the capacity to do that.

if this is your house..... good luck.

to others. steel exposed piping is usually used in hdb for connecting all the water inlet to your taps, storage heaters and shower and the main risk is the water storage heater which is properly grounded.

you can use instant heater but the inlet and outlet to instant heater is usually grey pvc pipes.

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QUOTE(sonicscourge @ May 30 2024, 12:37 AM)
TS. if ur renting u should report this to hdb. that low grade joven instant heater is not meant to be connected directly from water inlet and to hot water outlet. it cannot take the pressure. this piping is only for storage heaters. that hot water outlet is to supply to all the bathroom in the house. no instant heater has the capacity to do that.

if this is your house..... good luck.

to others. steel exposed piping is usually used in hdb for connecting all the water inlet to your taps, storage heaters and shower and the main risk is the water storage heater which is properly grounded.

you can use instant heater but the inlet and outlet to instant heater is usually grey pvc pipes.
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HDB will come to this house and take actions?

I don't think HDB will care this so small issue......

So if I use panasonic brand also will leak?
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When I rented my unit I alr checked out the WH and DB box before committing to the lease..

Plus the hose is not expensive (flexihose or plastic shower hose)
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When I rented my unit from someone else, I checked the water heater and the distribution board before signing the lease.

Also, the hose isn't expensive (a flexible hose or a plastic shower hose).


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You open the watet heater cover and look inside wiring ,thermostat ,water tank before you sign contract?


The singapore houseowner so kind one?
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HDB will come to this house and take actions?

I don't think HDB will care this so small issue......

So if I use panasonic brand also will leak?
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leaking water heater with risk of electroculation you put this in the complaint form see how fast they call you. if ur landlord is trying to save money by asking a non-qualifed person to install the heater then i say go to hdb, and report police too.

if not i'll just wait then when cna reports a person died from heater electrocution and offer takziah here.

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QUOTE(sonicscourge @ May 30 2024, 11:06 AM)
leaking water heater with risk of electroculation you put this in the complaint form see how fast they call you. if ur landlord is trying to save money by asking a non-qualifed person to install the heater then i say go to hdb, and report police too.

if not i'll just wait then when cna reports a person died from heater electrocution and offer takziah here.
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But later my house owner decide not renew contract with me also how?

This is her rights.


So i go to report is not good for me.
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You open the watet heater cover and look inside wiring ,thermostat ,water tank before you sign contract?
The singapore houseowner so kind one?
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If you’re experienced you can tell without disassembly alr.
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ May 29 2024, 11:40 PM)
When I rented my unit I alr checked out the WH and DB box before committing to the lease..

Plus the hose is not expensive (flexihose or plastic shower hose)
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This lousy brand

Burning smell come out
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that one is designed for storage water heater? storage water heater require the drain pipe.
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QUOTE(Matchy @ Jun 22 2024, 09:01 PM)
that one is designed for storage water heater? storage water heater require the drain pipe.
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This one is new one.

But also spoiled
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This one is new one.

But also spoiled
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this, and storage Ariston, are the Dekas of the water heaters laugh.gif
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this, and storage Ariston, are the Dekas of the water heaters  laugh.gif
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dekas means?


Good or lousy?



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This no turn off when no use bathroom will affected?


Why my house one just few weeks install then burning smell come out?

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is there a misunderstanding on the metal hose ?

nowadays from the metal hose provided by the manufacturer the connector are plastic between the heater to the hose, so it should be fine

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is there a misunderstanding on the metal hose ?

nowadays from the metal hose provided by the manufacturer  the connector are plastic between the heater to the hose, so it should be fine
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But my house 2nd water heater spoiled again....

Why?
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But my house 2nd water heater spoiled again....

Why?
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Have you check your house water pressure? Nowsaday all instant water heater use plastic container to hold the water to boil the water. Over the time, the container will crack or degrade, which I experienced on two diff brand of water heater - joven and alpha - after over 7years of using it.

Move over, your house water is quite rusty, based on the picture in your post, caused the rubber seals harden?

Alternative, go for tank based water heater - joven not bad. Using it now.

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jan 6 2024, 01:07 PM)
Please advice which part wrong..
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Are you nuts ?
Assuming yr wiring is done correctly, the water leakage is obviously due to improper connection or rubber seal worn or none. Every shower manufacturer states that shower hoses (inlet & outlet) must user rubber/pvc type and NEVER use those that conduct electricity. You are obviously a novice DIYer. For yr own safety sake, get an electrician and plumber for thr job
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QUOTE(Kasawari 2 @ Jun 23 2024, 06:12 AM)
Are you nuts ?
Assuming yr wiring is done correctly, the water leakage is obviously due to improper connection or rubber seal worn or none. Every shower manufacturer states that shower hoses (inlet & outlet) must user rubber/pvc type and NEVER use those that conduct electricity. You are obviously a novice DIYer. For yr own safety sake, get an electrician and plumber for thr job
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Actually this is rent house.


But why 2nd unit also issue?


Now burning smell come...


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This button no close will cause it spoiled?

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Actually this is rent house.
But why 2nd unit also issue?
Now burning smell come...
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This button no close will cause it spoiled?
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This type of cheapo water heater just close the big valve will do. The water volume [plus minus] just for fine tuning only.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jun 23 2024, 03:00 AM)
dekas means?
Good or lousy?
The latter
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The latter
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Haiz


Why singapore allow this product?

Really made in sg?
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This type of cheapo water heater just close the big valve will do. The water volume [plus minus] just for fine tuning only.
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https://chuanheng.sg/Panasonic-DH-3RL1SW-In...nt-Water-Heater



https://www.parisilk.com/home-appliances/Pa...nt-Water-Heater

Better I go this shop and ask the technician ceritifcate to show houseowner


https://app.pub.gov.sg/searchlicensedplumbe...chPlumbers.aspx

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This is the "big valve" you said?


The electric board of the water heater burned.

That day, it smelled very bad.

The whole house could smell it.


Why?

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The electric board of the water heater burned.

That day, it smelled very bad.

The whole house could smell it.
Why?
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Dang why your rented house bathroom so susah?got invisible hings?
Use gas/electric stoves boil hot water pour into bathub mix pipe water until desire temperature and bath that way lagi safe 😂

Since the bathroom you not the one who install i guess nothing much i can help liao, that day what i can help is already mentioned on the previous post good luck if band luck remember use lok yao leaf to mandi ya 😂
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 29 2024, 12:29 PM)
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The white big rotating one is inlet valve?
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Obviously some installation problem with the water leaking out. Also, the warning label already said not to use chrome or metallic pipes and look what's connected to it?

Some times I wonder if you're trolling.
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QUOTE(zuozi @ Jun 24 2024, 03:22 AM)
Dang why your rented house bathroom so susah?got invisible hings?
Use gas/electric stoves boil hot water pour into bathub mix pipe water until desire temperature and bath that way lagi safe 😂

Since the bathroom you not the one who install i guess nothing much i can help liao, that day what i can help is already mentioned on the previous post good luck if band luck remember use lok yao leaf to mandi ya 😂
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The problem is that the homeowner does not stay at this house, and he now thinks we purposely spoiled the water heater.

Yes, less than a month after it was replaced, this new water heater broke again.

Actually, I suspect whether this is a new water heater or not.

It spoiled so easily.

When his best friend came and installed it, I was not at the house. They have the house key.
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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Jun 24 2024, 03:27 AM)
Obviously some installation problem with the water leaking out. Also, the warning label already said not to use chrome or metallic pipes and look what's connected to it?

Some times I wonder if you're trolling.
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Now this new one spoiled again


A very bad smell come out....

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QUOTE(gaman @ Jan 6 2024, 12:56 PM)
Something very very very wrong in those pictures. I am not surprise someone would get electrocuted.
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Do you close your water heater volume switch every time after use?
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so confused.

Why technician need spray water all over it? Ur house got no towel to wipe? Why do u need to ask us correct or not installation even after u called technician? Is he even a proper technician or someone who "trust me bro" and offer u help for free? 

I have so many question!!!
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https://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-...h-3ndp1msr.html


I plan to install this new water heater at my house.



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wtf kind of installation is that?
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Walaoeh, metal pipe somemore. This one is waiting for disaster to come
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Walaoeh, metal pipe somemore. This one is waiting for disaster to come
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I think this one government install?

Sg flat
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The problem is that the homeowner does not stay at this house, and he now thinks we purposely spoiled the water heater.

Yes, less than a month after it was replaced, this new water heater broke again.

Actually, I suspect whether this is a new water heater or not.

It spoiled so easily.

When his best friend came and installed it, I was not at the house. They have the house key.
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Make a police report that your landlord and his best friend is trying to murder you. laugh.gif
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No one saw what is the problem? It's the wrong tool for a wrong job. If you want to connect water heater to internal piping, you need a heater tank. Not some wall shower water heater
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No one saw what is the problem? It's the wrong tool for a wrong job. If you want to connect water heater to internal piping, you need a heater tank. Not some wall shower water heater
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I don't understand.

Panasonic brands also install like that.

Could you explain a few more details?

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wtf kind of installation is that?
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I heard the technician is " chef " actually
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If ts don't want overdone suggest using this simple method, the setup your have right now are over configuration

Try not to using elbow around inlet can create air lock
On red circle
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Use male to male for wall cold water

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Then flexible hose all the way to instant water heater inlet how long you need i tak tahu sendiri measure but this nylon hose can sustain 3 to 4 bar without issues make sure you keep the existing oring when tighten this flexible hose if not given remember to bought 4 pcs in case water heater exit stock flexible hose dah hilang

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Don't forgot all the male balut white tape in clockwise direction if you do it counter clockwise can tear up the White tap when tighten it

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This is more cost effective and budget and very straightforward

If you know what you doing
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Now spoiled again.

Bennington lousy brand

Electric board burn
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QUOTE(zairee2580 @ Jun 24 2024, 09:21 AM)
No one saw what is the problem? It's the wrong tool for a wrong job. If you want to connect water heater to internal piping, you need a heater tank. Not some wall shower water heater
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It's called storage heater. I already mentioned this but this TS macam keep on trolling.

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I don't understand.

Panasonic brands also install like that.

Could you explain a few more details?
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what like that? ppl water outlet install to shower head, your installation??

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Now spoiled again.

Bennington lousy brand

Electric board burn
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wow u still having issue?
suspect the water heater not receiving water and boil dry?
what actually burned?
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wow u still having issue?
suspect the water heater not receiving water and boil dry?
what actually burned?
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Should be electric board.


Very smelly until whole house ......
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what like that? ppl water outlet install to shower head, your installation??
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Yeah.. No... Wall water heater cannot be on 24h. You need a heater tank for that type of setup
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Yeah.. No... Wall water heater cannot be on 24h. You need a heater tank for that type of setup
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My other house also like this setup


Panasonic brand.

Now 11th years ,no leaking and no issue at all
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I was considering buying one of these as oppose to direct tank pump.... After seeing this... I definitely will get the tank pump.
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https://toshiba-zsp.com.cn/pd.jsp?id=302


This is best?

10 years warranty
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QUOTE(zairee2580 @ Jun 24 2024, 09:21 AM)
No one saw what is the problem? It's the wrong tool for a wrong job. If you want to connect water heater to internal piping, you need a heater tank. Not some wall shower water heater
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https://energytrading.com.hk/brand_rasonic/...%80%91/rwh-ct7/

Stainless steel tank


Malaysia have?

These 3 rules is very important.


The appliance may only be connected and operated by qualified professionals."



But the anyhow technician never follow.


Instantaneous water heaters are electrical appliances and must be connected to a ground wire.


Disconnect the power supply and turn off the water source before connecting the appliance!

Connect the water source first, then only connect the power supply.

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jun 28 2024, 08:40 AM)
https://toshiba-zsp.com.cn/pd.jsp?id=302
This is best?

10 years warranty
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I am not sure which is the best. My friend say Panasonic.

But my short research tells me that there are no concept of energy saving.... Didn't see any tnb 5 stars in any of the water pumps.

So I ended up buying the rubine Cetus... purely cuz it comes with rain shower and is aesthetically pleasing in my point of view.

One thing to note is that my water pressure is damn weak. After installing the pump it only manage to increase the pressure to a usable level. I feel that there is still the need to install a dedicated water pressure pump in the piping system.
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QUOTE(h4r8_kIlLeR @ Jun 28 2024, 09:40 AM)
I am not sure which is the best. My friend say Panasonic.

But my short research tells me that there are no concept of energy saving.... Didn't see any tnb 5 stars in any of the water pumps.

So I ended up buying the rubine Cetus... purely cuz it comes with rain shower and is aesthetically pleasing in my point of view.

One thing to note is that my water pressure is damn weak. After installing the pump it only manage to increase the pressure to a usable level. I feel that there is still the need to install a dedicated water pressure pump in the piping system.
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panasonic have jet pump built in
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Jun 25 2024, 04:49 PM)
It's called storage heater. I already mentioned this but this TS macam keep on trolling.

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This TS biasa la. Will ignore advice, suggestions by some then keep asking the same question over and over again. "Why?" ...
Sometimes I wonder if he's trolling or someone that have special needs
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jun 28 2024, 10:43 AM)
panasonic have jet pump built in
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I don't even know what all that means. During my short research I notice that all the brands will tell you "oohh we got turbo rocket jet fuelled super amazing turbine pump this and that".

But no one will actually display any relevant data like how many units of pressure. When they do... It's not standardized some will use bar, some use psi... And some will use some unknown bastardized unit of measurement. Just so they can inflate the numbers to seem high.
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QUOTE(geelim77 @ Jan 6 2024, 01:07 PM)
apo lanjiao both all wet inside?......no kena electrocuted yet ah?

and WTF that joven water heater installed all the way so high to the ceiling, TS 7feet tall OR bathroom ceiling extremely low?
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Just now, on 6th Dec 2024(Fri) at 11:30 PM, there was suddenly no hot water coming out from the water heater while I was bathing.

I pressed the black button on the left side of the water heater, and now the hot water is working again.

Why did this happen?

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Dec 7 2024, 01:49 AM)
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Just now, on 6th Dec 2024(Fri) at 11:30 PM, there was suddenly no hot water coming out from the water heater while I was bathing.

I pressed the black button on the left side of the water heater, and now the hot water is working again.

Why did this happen?
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Earth leakage, got components faulty or electric leakage.

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QUOTE(kswee @ Dec 7 2024, 01:11 AM)
Earth leakage, got components faulty or electric leakage.
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But inside water heater no water leak.....

How can earth leakage?

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Dec 7 2024, 02:34 AM)
But inside  water heater no water leak.....

How can earth leakage?
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Before it trip may be got water vapor goes inside the heater expose wiring connectors cause leak that trip it built in elcb.
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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 6 2024, 01:10 PM)
Throw away the heater and trip the heater MCB now.
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Yesterday night no hot water...

But after reset then have hot water....


Why?
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post Dec 7 2024, 08:55 PM

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As u say your water inlet leaking also , your water heater features cause ?? Assume not enough water go in boiling then overheat ? Check degree?

Anti-scalding Protection
Manual reset Thermal Cut-off
High Pressure Protection
Power Indicator:
Power I & Il Indicators
Overheat Indicator
Features
Auto Power I cut-off at 60°C and reset at 35°C
Complete power cut-off at 90°C and requires manual reset
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Dude. You posted this in Jan. Are you telling us, for one year this problem is not solve?
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QUOTE(bengang15 @ Dec 7 2024, 08:58 PM)
Dude. You posted this in Jan. Are you telling us, for one year this problem is not solve?
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Now third unit.....


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QUOTE(niceit198 @ Dec 7 2024, 08:55 PM)
As u say your water inlet leaking also , your water heater features cause ?? Assume not enough water go in boiling then overheat ? Check degree?

Anti-scalding Protection
Manual reset Thermal Cut-off
High Pressure Protection
Power Indicator:
Power I & Il Indicators
Overheat Indicator
Features
Auto Power I cut-off at 60°C and reset at 35°C
Complete power cut-off at 90°C and requires manual reset
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May I know how you know is 90 degree?

All brands water heater same ?
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QUOTE(niceit198 @ Dec 7 2024, 08:55 PM)
As u say your water inlet leaking also , your water heater features cause ?? Assume not enough water go in boiling then overheat ? Check degree?

Anti-scalding Protection
Manual reset Thermal Cut-off
High Pressure Protection
Power Indicator:
Power I & Il Indicators
Overheat Indicator
Features
Auto Power I cut-off at 60°C and reset at 35°C
Complete power cut-off at 90°C and requires manual reset
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May I know how you know the auto cut-off must be at 90 degrees?
Is it the same for all water heater brands?


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post Dec 14 2024, 09:49 PM

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Why now water heater always off the auto cut-off?

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Ts u seriously need to look for psychiatrist
Something not right with your mind

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QUOTE(samjet @ Dec 15 2024, 02:51 AM)
Ts u seriously need to look for psychiatrist
Something not right with your mind

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The homeowner changed to this lousy brand...

This is the house I rent in Singapore.

I have no choice either.

She doesn't live in this house.
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QUOTE(samjet @ Dec 15 2024, 02:51 AM)
Ts u seriously need to look for psychiatrist
Something not right with your mind

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Now I use this one.......

Bye bye

Lousy joven brand

 

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