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cherroy
post Oct 28 2007, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(Pai @ Oct 27 2007, 09:41 PM)
1. Property market cycle started back in 2002, not now. In fact now we are at our highest peak. I disagree with this statement, as there's no fundamental evidence to support it.

I honestly dont understand the correlation between oil price and property investment, apart from the rising cost of construction.  hmm.gif 
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1. Property market depends on econmy situation, if economy will be robust in the next 5 years then demand for property will be good and vice versa. So need to look at the economy situation to determine. If said next 5 years will be good because of cycle without good reason backing then it is purely speculation.

There is some modest correlation between oil price, inflation which affected the property market.
If taking aside the demand issue due to economy, high oil price will mean push up the inflation in all channel, steel price goes up, cement price goes up as well as all other building materials mean that developers need to raise their price which generally make the market price higher.
But in the real world, it is much more complex, high oil price and inflation generally will mean higher interest rate imposed by central banks making loan more expensive and lesser demand on property. Also high inflation mean consumer has less ability to buy property also high oil price always associated will economy slow down -> less demand.

So it has 2 way to affect the property sector which one is on the upside, one is on the downside. So how it (oil price and inflation) willl affect the property market, you need to see which factor has the largest effect.

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post Oct 28 2007, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(Pai @ Oct 28 2007, 01:07 PM)
very clear n precise explanation, learnt something today, thanks mate  wink.gif U r right, oil is the key driver for inflation. The last time we raise interest rates last year was bcoz of oil as well. Btw, whats your take on the FEDs next move? Cut, hike or mantain? It seems like they have no choice but to cut rates to spur back the US economy and to mantain Dow's performance, but now inflation is way up due to oil prices.

1 thing I'd like to point out though, our BNM has been very conservative in hiking up or lowering our rates. I think FEDs raised their interest rates like 17 times since 2004 to date, and we've raised ours only 3 times. Therefore, I still think that even with rising inflation (oil, toll etc) and our CPI is currently still below 3, BNM most likely wont hike up our rates anytime soon. 
BAck to properties, unless oil prices drop big-time, new properties will always command higher prices due to higher cost of construction. Therefore, my advise to anyone shopping around for properties now, please buy completed, secondary market properties. If you must buy an undercon properties, make sure you buy from reputable, cash rich developers.
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The Fed might have another 0.25% cut in the bag as housing slump continue and financial market credit crunch issue is far from stable. But with inflation is still a threat, I don't think Fed will cut it too low unless economy run into recession. If they really cut it too low, then it will send the USD to more fresh low and if USD did drop non-stop, if would create more uncertainty in global market as most of the trade and asset held is in USD denomination.
But over long term, there are some arguement that you don't cure the problem at all at the root with the rate cut, you just delay it, as inflation might haunt later on. This issue still debatable, only time will tell.

Back to local issue, BNM has no choice at all, by right, wtih high inflation currently, BNM needs to hike the interest rate to cool down the demand, but current domestic demand is not so strong, they don't want to risk it as it mean economy will be easily put into break with the hike. They rather take the risk of inflation rather than causing economy to slow down. We just come out the the 1997 recession and recover, they don't want out economy back to slow mode again which might mean a lot of problem domestically. Also, there is massive liquidity in the local banking system which means klibor rate will stay at low end for the near time.
Also, the recent inflation is not because of domestic demand driven but the root of raw material which is much harder to tackle.

With high inflation is coming and raw materials price surging, it is a bit high risk to buy those under-con with less reputable developers. When the raw materials price outshooting their cost, project will have high chance of being delayed and abandoned especially those bad track record developers. Our law is simply not protective enough for the buyers.

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post Oct 28 2007, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Oct 28 2007, 08:35 PM)
cherroy,

My feeling is it will be a 0.50% cut next Wednesday from what I read so far.  I guess we will know how good my guess is on Thursday.

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If it is 0.5% then USD will be slaughter in the forex market.
Then oil price will probably shoot up again.
Foreigners holding US assets will feel the pain if USD keep on its bearish mood. US Dollar Index has dropping to fresh low recently, around 77.+ only.

Let see how it make up on Wednesday, Fed move is difficult to judged at the moment.

Cheers.


 

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