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This post has been edited by RT8081: Dec 26 2023, 11:10 AM

Still a long way for that. transition period might take years.

or you could just use ubuntu which already had an arm build ages ago

dumps? no. Dumping x86 all together is not practical in the short to medium term.

Ayam just hope new operating system all comes with full features AI.

Windows RT says hello

What improvement from current if comes with full AI?

Habislah Intel Malaysia.

Heard it is coming with AI assistant

Just take a look at what ChatGPT and AI image generator can do. Won't it be awesome if all these comes built in with operating system?

dumping only happened when x86 emulation is fast enough.

Hahhahahahahahha...
Almost whole world still using x86.

Many important business application is written on x86 platform such as banking/financial and manufacturing, I think Windows 11 will last forever for those machines.

Kasi chance la. Already they been talking like this since 2011, now buthurt with apple lol

Yup

But Ubuntu not consumer friendly la. Playing game is a pain in the arse

That's what they said with win xp and 7 lol

start from windows 10, the update patch is a joke, every time new major patch sure can make the devices like printer etc not working properly, disaster for corporate office..lol

Nobody uses Apple in REAL WORLD BUSINESS applications, that's why it's more easy for them...

tell that to gomen agency.

windows 98 special edition still in operational.

Now MnC corps all issuing Macbook or windows laptop for business users. Sekarang Ada pilihan la

Those Point of Sales system will the 1st to have problem, it needs to print many reports...

Hopefully no issues in win 12


Lol

Apple silicon can't even use native database application, how the fucuk going to dominate the business users.

Oil and gas system are very complex with huge databases, need to use Windows servers hardware.

That one is server related, of course windows and Linux la. Ayam talking about client machine.

u don't understand?

business application is written on x86 platform that is needed to run on client machine.

U never heard of SaaS ke ? People nowadays all on AWS and Azure lol.

If u meant those 3 tier Architecture, then yes la. I thought we already move on lol

butthurt for what? got killer apps on apple end meh?
games are still be made on PC first (after PS5 as the lead platform of course)

low power battery-life? meteor lake tried to address those

normal consumer applications like browsers compiled for arm64 still sucks, a lot more tooling improvement is needed before x86 can be "dumped".

another boring tered

How cheap is the ARM version? Those high-end Snapdragon are not cheap.

can it run crysis?

Still on Se7en ... 6 days till steam drop support ~

Maybe smoother experience la

Yeah this is an issue also

Yup but probably still cheaper than intel cpu

This post has been edited by RT8081: Dec 26 2023, 12:05 PM

On GFN, yes lol

obsolete admin

I used arm firefox and Microsoft edge (no linux arm build yet). ok la, just like normal x86. why bad?

Some companies don't like to use SaaS.

There are many disadvantages of SaaS.
-Data Security and Privacy Concerns
-Dependence on Internet Connectivity
-Limited Customization
-Vendor Control and Lock-In
-Downtime and Service Outages
-Long-Term Cost
-Lack of Control Over Updates
-Regulatory and Compliance Challenges
- Performance Concerns

I see. Yeah, for those stil using the native x86 applications, then maybe need to stay on x86 la. Will take some time to transition or maybe they won't if it's working, why change

lolwut?
x86 has been smooth when it come to web browsing since i dont know when.
video playback/transcoding are mostly depended on GPU now unless you want those extra quality compression with slow encoder preset.

the only main generalized use cases left for the need of faster CPU other than those niche use cases were high FPS gameplay, which is something ARM yet to deliver, most likely due to low clock speed and low size or high latency caches.

Can run all the data center apps with faster speed? Otherwise no need talk.

still using i5 3570k here

638 subscribers punya channel

kau bodo layan juga ya?

Mostly features and performance build flags that can't be enabled because different architecture and/or support like widevine

There's also still (publicly) open crashing related bugs that is not yet resolved like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1802538

btw what are you using for arm firefox? an sbc like rpi? or an arm laptop like the ones from lenovo?

i have a small ARM laptop to play around with, it is still on windows

i am mostly command line for linux on ARM, just SSH in to play around.

It should be smooth on x86 or else no point using one lol

What I meant is MAC Os is smooth when comes to usage. I think now win 11 is the closest

Lol okay.

enthusiastic will tutup animation. why the obsession with one? if the program is ready to use, why we want to wait for the animation to complete running?

Waiting for epic launcher to port over to arm then

but we are in Malaysia, where unifi frequently not working. few times a year, and each time takes few days to a week.

and true, this happens to unifi business.
TM may bark about their 99.99% SLA, but their layman staff and contractor doesnt give a damm about that.

kesian.
the only time my unifi downtime is when electricity is downtime lel.thanks EV users for increasing our house area load lel.

tell that to bank ATM system, i saw some still using windows xp

This post has been edited by kang6421: Dec 26 2023, 01:44 PM

Which mnc?

This is not true anymore.

A lot leh…all mnc give macbook air nowadays…

got

but towards very niche/few employees with strong justification (like specific use-case)

This post has been edited by fantasy1989: Dec 26 2023, 01:48 PM

ATM can use whatever OS they want…it is a stand alone mschine for cash withdrawals…nothing to do with MacOS

It takes time.

Windows 11 already have built in Co pilot now. Edge has built in co pilot now.

I would rather ask you, what do you expect out of AI assisted OS?

Unker more kesian to those who still stick to windows laptop…now buy laptop:

1) better get the chipset that come with NPU/TPU
2) x86 is not efficient, windows also planning to phase it out
3) very soon their laptop will become dinasour

Intel still no ARM compatible chips ka?

good luck lo, even transition in ATC alone will take centuries

kepala hotak ang.
just because they starting support ARM doenst mean they going to phase out x86 anytime soon.

microsoft dont even have ARM port for forza, halo, sea of thieves, etc

The bigger gaming market is no longer at PC.
PC gaming development also reduce.
You got to wake up liao.

windows already have arm version for quite long lo, this is just specific support for the new snapdragon je

then whats the point microsoft purchasing blizzard at 69billion again?
simple, gaming is how the platform will stay relevant.
last time when microsoft gathered bathesda, did they increase their mobile games portfolio? it still the same console+PC gaming formula.

development getting reduce? not sure about it, but game development cost sure increase and takes much longer time to develop, making game announcement news less frequent.

it will take another 10 years at least to fully transition into ARM

Kek
XP stayed around for almost another decade after its support were dropped

Summore an architecture skip?

LoL…obviously you do not follow their full story…the only objection come from Sony…

Nobody buy another company/technology for not doing anything on it…it is not because of the PC gamers for sure…you think too much

But I like the ARM story.
Such a dedicated team

my own 2 cents is before ARM get matured in PC ..RISC-V will come instead

its more like we dont know anything about it.
you think a big company like to spend billions here and there for acquisition? why they didnt seek for value acquisition, why die2 must be those established IPs?

good thing rockstar is not for sale, if it happened, im going to bet it going to be 3digit billions at least.'

answer me this, which news is more interested, a new microsoft office feature or an expansion for starfield?

This post has been edited by zerorating: Dec 26 2023, 02:43 PM

Blizzard know PC gaming is going down and in fact the PC gaming market size is much much much smaller than mobile gaming.

Period.

the IPs are not stuck on PC gaming and console, anytime it can go down to mobile platform. never heard of diablo immortal?

now in the hand of microsoft, will they capitalize the mobile market even more or they tried hard to save PC/xbox gaming instead?

You just say out what unker had said.

SD X how good i dont know

if u depend microsoft team for the transition

you are GG.

whatever it is, microsoft have bigger plan with blizzard activision IPs, it is something that havent revealed now.
for now, it just business as usual, tencent game, netease are still milking them IPs.

What will happen to all my x86 games?

Impossible. For one, big game player like Apple already hedge into ARM. Once you make a decision like that you don't change for ten years at least. The ARM transition is going well lots of developers already prepare native arm support. As a developer you already developing for X86 and ARM now. No way you have the resources to develop for RISC-V in addition.

Those that argue risc5 will take over because open source and free, see the argument for Linux. Open and free is not what market wants.

microsoft is still deciding if they want to move to arm64 or stay with x86.

i think its all depends how good the upcoming zen5 will be. if it is stagnant, move to arm64, if it is good, stays with x86.
whatever it is, intel is no longer a decision factor.

This post has been edited by zerorating: Dec 26 2023, 03:09 PM

ts still dreaming ka hahah pls wake up.

Since you can read.....

UNKER 2 cents: if can, do not buy any windows laptop for now....there is no TPU/NPU...

go for macbook

uhmmmm, meteor lake and current 7000 and 8000 ryzen series is what?
also not many care about NPUs, the use case is still niche. even if you dont need it, it is good to know that the machine is somewhat AI ready.

those cheap windows laptop <3k do not have it....
it will definately see the impact on the next windows upgrades

Will gaming world be ready?

close enough
https://shopee.com.my/HONOR-MagicBook-X14-P...6d-770e0917f2bc

macbook air m1 = RM3500

Mac OS small base easy to manage, unlike Windows OS

I window 11 pun belum update.

not meant for windows users.
and you huhah need NPU, you use that for apa lanjiao?
i dont see AI silicon replacing accelerated asic like video decoder/encoder.
laptop/desktop going to have AI image processing chip like what TV have(e.g samseng AI Quantum processor/TCL AiPQ)? dont see that happened yet.

it will be great when it can emulate x86 games and mission critical proprietary systems

can unker disclose the answer only by 2024 end? because unker want to plan my investment correctly first.

Sorry guys, ayam just came back from makan angin lol

chatgpt and bingAI very valuable
today need to get some robot system from china up and running
OS running on linux
the manual they gave me like macam tabuli pakai. full of error with machine tranlsated instructions. dependencies all outdated or lacking pre-requisite
ayam never used linux before so just copypaste whatever error that happen to chatgpt
then chatgpt point out the typos, the spacing, etc, dependencies, steps, permission issue. then managed to get them working already

yeah i love AI now
was playing before with Unity. now this is useful instead of trying to google that 90% give SEO optimized clickbait pages