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chromatino_hex
post Dec 7 2023, 03:07 PM

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To those who say the doctors are not at fault, you all are so cruel and heartless

I was screwed by doctors a long time ago for misdiagnosis and wrong prescription of medicine. This doctor prescribed me a type of medicine which caused me to suffer from permanent nerve damage. So I know exactly how TS feel. Rage and helplessness.

I am friends with a lot of doctors and dentists. They don't give a shit about their patients. 8 out of 10 are in it for the $$$ and party every weekend. TS should hire the best medical negligence lawyer (hire an army of lawyers because hospitals usually have strong in-house legal team) because every doctor who caused TS's father is liable for their incompetence

Do not worry about losing the case. Get an army of lawyers from top litigation firms because in-house lawyers are not as good as you think. They are just there for the monthly salary and hospitals can definitely afford to settle out of court. Seek justice for your father please; we need more legal precedent and demand for higher settlement as a result of medical negligence

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chromatino_hex
post Dec 7 2023, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Dec 7 2023, 12:13 PM)
first, they don't have to help you.

You went for them for help, they tried to help.

Your father got better, ICU beds probably full waiting list for other patients. He was moved to other units.

No one wants bad things to happen, but they do happen.

And when it happens, you go back and sue the very people that tried to help you.

p/s put it on hindsight, if the hospital knows you are going to be a difficult person to deal with, they could have turned you away , citing full hospital beds...

But they didn't have a choice do they? they have to accept you....

Sorry for your loss TS, but you need to look at things objectively and don't let emotions cloud your perspective.
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You never suffered from the same predicament as TS. Have some empathy please, a lot of doctors are definitely incompetent. Have you ever been friends with doctors and dentists? A lot of them have no empathy towards their patients, party every weekend and show off their Lambo and Ferrari. They should be accountable for their lack of sense and urgency and causing TS's father to encounter "preventable" death. So many innocent people passed away due to failed diagnosis and unsafe medical procedures conducted by doctors under the pretence of medical professionals.

If you killed someone as a medical professional, regardless of whether it was an accident or as a result of negligence, you deserve to lose your license or even face suspension for a number of years (re-take paper and undergo more training). Accident is not an excuse to exempt someone from any form of liability.

There needs to be more awareness because in the US where its citizens are much more litigious, medical negligence settlements can go up to millions of USD whereas in Malaysia, people rarely sue their doctors.

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post Dec 7 2023, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 7 2023, 03:14 PM)
You are ignorant to be making that comment and you expect doctors & dentist to quietly sip their wines on weekend to de-stress? People hv their own ways to de-stress and tell me which young doctor or dentist is flush with cash working with the government? You may be bitter because of a misdiagnosis and wrong prescription but I doubt there was malice involved so how much money did you pay your lawyers to lose the case?
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Sure, one day when the same thing happen to you or one of your family members, you will retract this statement. But never mind, by that time, you are probably on your death bed already and cannot even sue your doctor.

By the way, the hospital settled out of court with me. So you are wrong

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post Dec 7 2023, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Dec 7 2023, 10:26 AM)
Excellent summary. To add on to the above, I can provide TS the view from the hospital/doctor's/expert medical witness perspective. I've been called to testify as an expert witness in the past, and there are a few issues that limit the effectiveness of such testimony, whether it's for or against the plaintiff's case.

1. Collegiality. This is one of the strong tenets of the foundation of medical practice anywhere in the world. Many times, we've been unfairly accused of 'banding' together and not willing to speak up against another professional in 50-50 medical cases (clear negligence, misconduct, molestations/sexual crimes obviously do not fall in this category). The rationale behind this is that patients are complex and unique individuals, and best practices merely mean it covers the area under the Bell's Curve for 60% of the patients, with 20% on either end belonging to the "others" category. If I think about the significance of that, it simply means that what happened to one doctor could easily have happened to me - and thus, unless the case is clearly one of gross mismanagement medically, wrong medications administered, wrong organ surgically removed, gross negligence of care on part of the attending doctor etc, most of the time, the tragedy is placed on the complexity of the patient's case, and the unpredictable nature that is life.

2. Bolam and Bolitho - the twin pillars of proof of negligence: In medical negligence litigation, a key step is for the claimant is to prove that the physician or the doctor failed to meet the required standard of care. The traditional test in law in such cases remains the Bolam test which states that a doctor is not negligent if what he has done would be endorsed by a responsible body of medical opinion in the relevant specialty at the material time. The Bolitho Test, which is a later test and is an amendment to the Bolam Test, helped to clarify what was meant by “a responsible body,” defining it as one whose opinion had a “logical basis.” So, if the attending doctor has done what was required at that time, according to best practices - e.g. room O2 saturations, Pulse rate, BP sans inotropes all being stable enough to warrant a transfer out of ICU - the doctor cannot be held responsible for the unfortunate events that transpired post the transfer (refer to No. 1 above).

3. Not just one medical expert, and no gold standard. Whilst the plaintiff can call upon his own roster of medical experts, so can the hospital, and it's not uncommon to have 2 pre-eminent giants & experts in their fields clash in court. And, just like reasonable doubt, if 2 experts can't agree, what chance does the plaintiff think the judge and jury, who are laypersons not trained in the intricacies and complexities of medicine, could? In that case, most often than not (except in America, where lawyers run the medical service), the doctor will not be blamed - because he did not stand to gain from the patient's demise, nor was the demise an act of malice on his part.

4. The pre-existing state of the patient. If this was a strapping, healthy young man with no pre-existing medical conditions, the weigh of evidence may be shifted somewhat in the plaintiff's favour vs if this were a case of an elderly patient with complex co-morbidity & post-transplant on immunosuppressant therapy. Index of survival would be obviously different, and the evidence may be shifted away from a favourable ruling given the latter scenario. It's a sad fact of life that limited resources in the face of unlimited requirements require harsh decisions to be made on the part of the attending doctor - the ICU bed may be needed for a more urgent case that had a better chance of survival, and who's to say that new patient's life is worth less than the old one's? It's never easy.

5. Last by not least: Cost. I was asked to give expert testimony in one simple case, and had my AEIC (affidavit evidence in chief) drafted by the lawyers, but obviously required multiple amendments and corrections on my part, and I only turned up for one session of the High Court hearing. The bill from my practice to the defendants (who won the case, by the way) came up to nearly SGD30,000. And that particular case was a simple one, where the judge took my testimony, weighed it with that of the countering expert's, and ruled in our favour without needing more evidence to be presented. I can't imagine what a complicated case would entail. Since that one case, I've never availed myself for such duties anymore - it simply isn't worth the money, and it also meant bruising the egos of colleagues on the opposing end - not an experience I wish to repeat.

The receipt which I generated, and of which I still keep a copy in .pdf format till this very day, with the details redacted obviously:

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I'm not trying to pour cold water onto TS's case, and if he feels there's definite grounds to go on in terms of negligence by the doctor, then by all means, he should go ahead to seek an answer at the very least. I hope he finds peace no matter what the outcome is, but I also hope that he enters into this with his eyes wide open and realise the enormity of the task ahead of him.
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So you are claiming not to pour cold water but you just provided a plethora of reasons to dissuade TS from taking legal action?

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post Dec 7 2023, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 7 2023, 03:21 PM)
Based on a quick check on your post history in 2021. You are still in uni, tarc if believe? Major in math. So if you don't mind me asking how did you manage to mingle with successful doctors or dentist who have lambos who are normally very rich if they have been in the field for 8 to 10 years. Don't get me wrong, I really think you being friends with these people whilst you are struggling to finance your own studies makes me question your statement they are out for money.

You seem to be very bitter for something and channeling that bitterness to get another person who's obviously grieving and angry right now by giving the wrong advice is a dickish move
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post Dec 7 2023, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 7 2023, 03:21 PM)
Based on a quick check on your post history in 2021. You are still in uni, tarc if believe? Major in math. So if you don't mind me asking how did you manage to mingle with successful doctors or dentist who have lambos who are normally very rich if they have been in the field for 8 to 10 years. Don't get me wrong, I really think you being friends with these people whilst you are struggling to finance your own studies makes me question your statement they are out for money.

You seem to be very bitter for something and channeling that bitterness to get another person who's obviously grieving and angry right now by giving the wrong advice is a dickish move
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Yeah so? There is this thing called "life-long learning". So cannot take second degree after working is it?
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post Dec 7 2023, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(reanimation_84 @ Dec 7 2023, 03:28 PM)
This happened to my cousin's maternal grandma. The doctor operated wrongly on her. Operation was suppose to be on the left side, the doctor operated on the right side. Grandma passed away. Doctor said cant file anything as the next of kin have signed off on the documents to allow for the operation. But i feel it was bullshit, they didnt take further action.
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cause we have people like @Angelice who think doctors are always right.
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post Dec 7 2023, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 7 2023, 04:07 PM)
Yeah. Got turn off trying to talk to him when he's clearly bitter about something, all because of toxic patients like him made me specialize in orthopedics. Less drama and patients who are clearly in pain but aren't dying are easier to deal with especially when it's easy to explain to their family members why a knee replacement is needed vs why this pt needs to be intubated and moved to icu immediately event through she was eating happily the hour before then having to explain to them about terminal lucidity.

Thank fuck I'm out of that cesspool.
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revealed himself already. Doctor defending doctors
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post Dec 7 2023, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Dec 7 2023, 04:01 PM)
Sudah lah bro. I read his tirade and I realised he kept harping on medical negligence where it hasn’t even been established whether that’s even a remote possibility or otherwise.

Perhaps he really suffered unfairly at the hands of unscrupulous doctors and has developed an aversion or even outright hostility toward doctors as a result.

Further more, due to the perceived financial successes and lifestyles of certain doctors, this hatred led to more navel gazing and a deepening of that misplaced hatred.

We see it all the time - a diagnosis of cancer told to the family becomes our fault because the members lash out blindly in reflexive response to the bad news. An intraoperative complication from a complex procedure that didn’t go as planned is our fault despite the fact that the patient would have died without our intervention in the first place.

We take the good with the bad and roll with the punches. That’s our calling and that what makes us get out of bed, and get to work every day.
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Medical expert witness defending doctors. Just quit that pretentious commentary

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post Dec 7 2023, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Dec 7 2023, 04:53 PM)
You’re sadly mistaken. My expert testimony was for a patient and his family.

I would suggest you stop making a bigger fool and yourself than you already have.
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ok, still you are a doctor right? its like a gang member defending their own leader. So doctor defending doctors. Doctors in this thread acting like God's gift, using all those verbose language to justify their own kind's negligence

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post Dec 7 2023, 05:18 PM

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Ok, I sent TS the contact number. End this argument amicably at last. I am sure these two doctors @hksgmy and @avangelice care about their patients. Not every doctor is bad la, bad doctors are not the norm, but an exception

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