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 Utuber kritik proton s70, kturds sure trigger…, Proton lovers assemble!

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hoonanoo
post Dec 6 2023, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(axelrade1 @ Dec 6 2023, 04:33 PM)
fyi S70 parts mostly CKD and assemble here. Then they delcare it as local supply.

Saga will get refresh in 2026, new engine, new platform. Design will be by local. Exora no more, already discontinue. Next in line will be Iriz and Persona, both before 2025. X70 will get refresh next year with new IP. X50 the year after.

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You worked for Powertrain dept ah?

X70 get new face lift mah. 1.5L engine? Still 3 cylinder.

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post Dec 6 2023, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(axelrade1 @ Dec 6 2023, 04:33 PM)
fyi S70 parts mostly CKD and assemble here. Then they delcare it as local supply.

Saga will get refresh in 2026, new engine, new platform. Design will be by local. Exora no more, already discontinue. Next in line will be Iriz and Persona, both before 2025. X70 will get refresh next year with new IP. X50 the year after.

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Just shows how much general public knows. Really couch expert liao. They think proton no brain just let saga go away without having a replacement in mind.
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post Dec 6 2023, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(treblecase @ Dec 6 2023, 04:01 PM)
Persona?
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yes but YouTuber say proton no more National car , persona, iriz , saga still Proton desig , a real National car
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post Dec 6 2023, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Dec 6 2023, 05:34 PM)
yes but YouTuber say proton no more National car , persona, iriz , saga still Proton desig , a real National car
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Yeah if the trend continues, it’s a matter of time all of those you mentioned will be phased out & most likely replaced by other Geely models.
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QUOTE(axelrade1 @ Dec 6 2023, 04:33 PM)
fyi S70 parts mostly CKD and assemble here. Then they delcare it as local supply.

Saga will get refresh in 2026, new engine, new platform. Design will be by local. Exora no more, already discontinue. Next in line will be Iriz and Persona, both before 2025. X70 will get refresh next year with new IP. X50 the year after.

I know because I'm ex-staff.
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S70 local assembled but launch local content must be very low if they say they hope to achieve 70% local content only in two years time.

X50 and X70 facelift incoming I now, already got spyshots on the road testing.
Saga refresh 2026? Time is tight unless they already begin, only 24 months left. Even if redesign "top hat" from BMA is impossible, no way BMA can make 40k product. New engine from where Geely don't have 1.3 or 1.0 engines I don't think. It cannot be Campro VVT, they already announce EOL, so is it revival of Volcano and Magma projects? Or those two already completely shelved?


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post Dec 6 2023, 08:52 PM

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macha with honda mayatz.. stilll looks cooler than this car la woii...
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post Dec 6 2023, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(soul78 @ Dec 6 2023, 09:52 PM)
macha with honda mayatz.. stilll looks cooler than this car la woii...
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Macha paling macho yinside his fully dark tinted wira or waja lar dey
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post Dec 6 2023, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Dec 6 2023, 12:15 PM)
Exora should be replaced by Jiaji, however don't expect to be cheap like Exora, same price as Boyue or X70.

Geely has zero interest in developing below 60k cars. They don't have platform OR cheap cars for Proton to rebadge into new Saga.

This one nvm provided they give Proton RnD money to make new Saga, Persona and Exora. But nope, nothing at all. In few years Saga will be very obsolete, the platform around since 2005 Savvy. I don't know what will happen, maybe Malaysia will lose Proton Saga which is quite sad for me personally.
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Geely should test water launching some kei EV through potong for sub 80k.
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Dec 6 2023, 08:10 AM)
He thinks China Adas is top of the market. hahahaha, the Adas only work once in a blue moon. So no Adas means S70 not complete? i don't think so. Half the time, you expect Adas to work in X70 it doesn't. Also another shitty naming convention by Proton is why the hell they named the car S70? S70 and X70 sounds so similar. Why their naming convention so near one?

He expect Smart Car and S70 to have similar features? Different P1 companies lah bro. You think P1 well known for cross company culture teamwork? hahahaha dream on la. P1 not well known for co talking to each other. Within the co, the departments all work in silo one la. Go read the glassdoor.

I agree its a rebadge car, but no its not 95% china car. Where this info from his ass ah? P1 has to source most of their suppliers here. Whether from local vendors or MNC located here. Otherwise, its a CBU. But yes, the parts design are all from China.

Another complain that he did not cover, why S70, still using 3 cylinder engines !!!!!!

https://global.geely.com/

Echoing his comments, that S70 may bring fresh start for P1 to sell anything else besides SUV. I have news for him. I checked the Geely website, I did not see any other models that are sedan aside Emgrand. Their models are all SUV !!!!!!!

Older models like MPV Jiaji, for some unknown reason I think Geely has discontinued.

So unfortunately, P1 is gonna remain a SUV selling co.

P2 laugh all the way to the bank with no major competitors for non SUV models. Of course, P1 still has Persona and Saga but they are like frozen in development.

Exora is still lacking development.

Geely for some unknown reason is not bothered to assist P1 to improve on Saga and Exora, even though they have the expertise. Just the same as they still give P1 3 cylinder engines instead of the 4 cylinder ones.
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wont be surprise if geely kill the saga line

or just throw an outdated geely model in malaysia and call it all new Saga
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QUOTE(msacras @ Dec 6 2023, 08:57 PM)
Geely should test water launching some kei EV through potong for sub 80k.
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post Dec 6 2023, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(Raddus @ Dec 6 2023, 09:58 PM)
wont be surprise if geely kill the saga line

or just throw an outdated geely model in malaysia and call it all new Saga
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One of the way geely and all its owned sub brand able to save a lot of money on new model development cost…

Is because they share cross each other under geely owned brand on their design, car playform, engine, etc2.

So, anneh highly doubt next gen saga, persone will be fully r&d in house done by proton. Probably geely will supply the platform, engine, etc2 while the exterior maybe slight change from any existing model lineup across all geely owned brand.

As they already said msia market is fairly small and it doesnt make economical sense to fully built a car ground up in house proton.
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Dec 6 2023, 09:37 PM)
One of the way geely and all its owned sub brand able to save a lot of money on new model development cost…

Is because they share cross each other under geely owned brand on their design, car playform, engine, etc2.

So, anneh highly doubt next gen saga, persone will be fully r&d in house done by proton. Probably geely will supply the platform, engine, etc2 while the exterior maybe slight change from any existing model lineup across all geely owned brand.

As they already said msia market is fairly small and it doesnt make economical sense to fully built a car ground up in house proton.

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That's the problem, Geely don't have such products otherwise done long ago.

Saga and Persona still market leader for Proton. Remove these two model Proton can close shop, those Geely/Proton rebadge not selling enough.

Malaysia market is small that's why have to sell to Thailand/Indonesia. All this while still consider profitable but need new market. Geely not willing to open up new market or go into Thailand and Indonesia again, two biggest countries that have huge demand for this kind of RM40k car.
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Dec 6 2023, 08:57 PM)
Macha paling macho yinside his fully dark tinted wira or waja lar dey
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Waja with evo bodykit. Yennaaa...
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Dec 6 2023, 08:50 PM)
S70 local assembled but launch local content must be very low if they say they hope to achieve 70% local content only in two years time.

X50 and X70 facelift incoming I now, already got spyshots on the road testing.
Saga refresh 2026? Time is tight unless they already begin, only 24 months left. Even if redesign "top hat" from BMA is impossible, no way BMA can make 40k product. New engine from where Geely don't have 1.3 or 1.0 engines I don't think. It cannot be Campro VVT, they already announce EOL, so is it revival of Volcano and Magma projects? Or those two already completely shelved?
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the new engine for saga will be 1.5 litre pair with CVT from geely. no turbo. Project already kick off. It is not full model change. 2 years is enough.
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Dec 6 2023, 04:57 PM)
You worked for Powertrain dept ah?

X70 get new face lift mah. 1.5L engine? Still 3 cylinder.
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not powertrain, i handle biw. Yes X70 will get new facelift, next year may will start SOP. Engine maintain. dashboard totally change
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post Dec 7 2023, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(axelrade1 @ Dec 7 2023, 09:25 AM)
not powertrain, i handle biw. Yes X70 will get new facelift, next year may will start SOP. Engine maintain. dashboard totally change
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Hope they start placing the LCD like X50 rather than near the air cond switches.
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Dec 5 2023, 11:32 PM)
What qualifies as national car in your opinion? Fully made in Malaysia? Or designed by Malaysians?

Because Perodua has been designing their own cars not just for Malaysia market but ASEAN market also. From Bezza starting already no longer just rebadging. New Axia new Vios all with huge involvement from Perodua. The cars also 90-95% local content made in Malaysia.
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New Axia backside looks like shit though
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QUOTE(axelrade1 @ Dec 7 2023, 09:18 AM)
the new engine for saga will be 1.5 litre pair with CVT from geely. no turbo. Project already kick off. It is not full model change. 2 years is enough.
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So not new platform then. Same Savvy platform. Why 1.5litre, that makes the Persona obsolete. Harder to compete with Axia/Bezza on price.

QUOTE(axelrade1 @ Dec 7 2023, 09:25 AM)
not powertrain, i handle biw. Yes X70 will get new facelift, next year may will start SOP. Engine maintain. dashboard totally change
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So dashboard from Boyue Pro/Azkarra? Or the minor facelift from Boyue 2022? Spyshots already out means not far, change to X90 and S70 grille.
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post Dec 8 2023, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Dec 7 2023, 03:47 PM)
So not new platform then. Same Savvy platform. Why 1.5litre, that makes the Persona obsolete. Harder to compete with Axia/Bezza on price.
So dashboard from Boyue Pro/Azkarra? Or the minor facelift from Boyue 2022? Spyshots already out means not far, change to X90 and S70 grille.
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Persona will end production before 2025.

not sure the latest dashboard design. not my area. But from what i heard the screen will be on top of the dash instead of current inside dashboard.
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QUOTE(treblecase @ Dec 6 2023, 08:33 PM)
Yeah if the trend continues, it’s a matter of time all of those you mentioned will be phased out & most likely replaced by other Geely models.
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i don't think geely has a model that's RM30-40k to replace saga

plus, geely only promised 5 rebadged models...we're at 4 now
so we'll know if it's 5 models or infinite models really soon

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