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 Fuel Subsidy CUT: diesel and then RON95, A lot of talk but will we walk the walk?

Do you think our country have the guts to do it?
 
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post Dec 1 2023, 04:17 PM, updated 4w ago

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This seems to come on and off. Here is the latest notice.

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...inequity/104433

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Rafizi confirms new RON95 subsidy programme will be announced next year to address inequity


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post Dec 1 2023, 04:41 PM

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sure will implement, but next GE tukar gomen lagi then u-turn lagi
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post Dec 1 2023, 05:02 PM

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U take away subsidy. U need to put back to make free toll highway and car tax. U cant have both.
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post Dec 1 2023, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(qsub @ Dec 1 2023, 05:02 PM)
U take away subsidy. U need to put back to make free toll highway and car tax. U cant have both.
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agreed, if you take it without giving/free something else, RIP
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The issues is how do they define the T20? I was told as long household income is over 12k per mth, then will be defined as T20, if there is true, pls ask rubbishzi to come Bukit Bintang after he implement his stupid policy, see how would ppl spit on his face.

Any couple who work in Klang valley can easily earn over 12k a mth, but a household with 12k is still consider poor in Klang valley as we need to pay for inflated groceries, house loan, and education fees.
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So in conclusion, mat rampit no need to work so hard as long they are above 18 years old as voter, and should be entitled to pump cheap petrol with T20 tax payers money, for them to continue be superman on highway. It is SUBSIDIZED by rubbishzi.

Even wan to lick their balls for vote also lick in nicer way la pls

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post Dec 1 2023, 06:17 PM

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How would they differentiate T20 from the B/M40 at petrol stations?
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QUOTE(Jingle91 @ Dec 1 2023, 05:25 PM)
So in conclusion,  mat rampit no need to work so hard as long they are above 18 years old as voter, and should be entitled to pump cheap petrol with T20 tax payers money, for them to continue be superman on highway. It is SUBSIDIZED by rubbishzi.

Even wan to lick their balls for vote also lick in nicer way la pls
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Mat rempit have no intention to work hard. They are born this way.
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QUOTE(qsub @ Dec 1 2023, 05:02 PM)
U take away subsidy. U need to put back to make free toll highway and car tax. U cant have both.
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A lot of angry T20 but the government wants to win mainly the B40 Group vote because they are predominant in this country.
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post Dec 1 2023, 06:23 PM

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The government should consider eliminating all fuel subsidies altogether, rather than implementing selective subsidies for specific groups of people. The current subsidy system encourages private transport ownership, but if redirected wisely, the funds saved from these subsidies could be invested in enhancing public transportation infrastructure.

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post Dec 1 2023, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Dec 1 2023, 06:23 PM)
The government should consider eliminating all fuel subsidies altogether, rather than implementing selective subsidies for specific groups of people. The current subsidy system encourages private transport ownership, but if redirected wisely, the funds saved from these subsidies could be invested in enhancing public transportation infrastructure.
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I've said this before.
Malaysia should had followed what Singapore did - Introduce COE .
Zero fuel subsidy in Singapore.

Yes its cruel, but thats how Singapore control its car population in the country. Can't afford COE, means cant afford a car.
However their bus and MRT is fabulous. Buses are on time unlike our RapidKL "Guess what time they arrive" .

Here - Zero downpayment and 9 years car loan. Any tomdick and harry without salary slip, can be kawtim.

Thats how bad our citizens are pampered.
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post Dec 1 2023, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(Jingle91 @ Dec 1 2023, 05:22 PM)
The issues is how do they define the T20? I was told as long household income is over 12k per mth, then will be defined as T20, if there is true, pls ask rubbishzi to come Bukit Bintang after he implement his stupid policy, see how would ppl spit on his face.

Any couple who work in Klang valley can easily earn over 12k a mth, but a household with 12k is still consider poor in Klang valley as we need to pay for inflated groceries, house loan, and education fees.
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The T20 is defined by the Department of Statistics as a household with a combined income of at least RM10,960 a month.

Data in 2020 showed that the median income of households in Malaysia is RM5,209 while the mean is RM7,089. The mean income of households in the Federal Territories of Putrajaya and Kuala Lumpur exceeded the T20 bracket (RM12,322 and RM11,720 respectively).




https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...inequity/104433
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QUOTE(pcdoctor_my @ Dec 1 2023, 08:16 PM)
I've said this before.
Malaysia should had followed what Singapore did - Introduce COE .
Zero fuel subsidy in Singapore.

Yes its cruel, but thats how Singapore control its car population in the country. Can't afford COE, means cant afford a car.
However their bus and MRT is fabulous. Buses are on time unlike our RapidKL "Guess what time they arrive" .

Here - Zero downpayment and 9 years car loan. Any tomdick and harry without salary slip, can be kawtim.

Thats how bad our citizens are pampered.
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COE was designed to limit the number of passenger cars.
It will not work so well in Malaysia because much of the government's income revenue derives from sales of passenger vehicles (Estimated to be around RM 2 Billion+-).
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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Dec 1 2023, 04:41 PM)
sure will implement, but next GE tukar gomen lagi then u-turn lagi
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we had no choice , tukar here tukar there will be the same lol.gif
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and b40s continue to be parasites without tax contribution
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QUOTE(pcdoctor_my @ Dec 1 2023, 08:16 PM)
I've said this before.
Malaysia should had followed what Singapore did - Introduce COE .
Zero fuel subsidy in Singapore.

Yes its cruel, but thats how Singapore control its car population in the country. Can't afford COE, means cant afford a car.
However their bus and MRT is fabulous. Buses are on time unlike our RapidKL "Guess what time they arrive" .

Here - Zero downpayment and 9 years car loan. Any tomdick and harry without salary slip, can be kawtim.

Thats how bad our citizens are pampered.
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You come to rural area and take bus or mrt!

You think whole Malaysia is like Singapore or KL, got good public transport?

Don’t make transportation decisions from metropolitan perspective !

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post Dec 2 2023, 11:29 AM

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To me, if want to take away subsidy, take all away..

Don't just subsidize a certain segment of the society.
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post Dec 2 2023, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Dec 2 2023, 11:29 AM)
To me, if want to take away subsidy, take all away..

Don't just subsidize a certain segment of the society.
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agreed, too bad they will never do it out of political reasons
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QUOTE(Thrust @ Dec 2 2023, 11:29 AM)
To me, if want to take away subsidy, take all away..

Don't just subsidize a certain segment of the society.
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QUOTE(bigduck @ Dec 2 2023, 02:41 PM)
agreed, too bad they will never do it out of political reasons
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https://mier.org.my/rafizi-govt-to-roll-out...0subsidy%20card.


IF I decipher this correctly, government may just do take away all if not a big portion of the subsidy and provide subsidy car only to targeted group.

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The programme will be implemented using three mechanisms, which are based on individual net disposable income, net disposable household income through social protection or assistance schemes, as well as a combination of household and individual earnings, which will be implemented using a subsidy card.


So my take is subsidy card will be issued like how they issue diesel subsidy car to fisherman....To whomever they deemed still need help



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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Dec 2 2023, 03:37 PM)
https://mier.org.my/rafizi-govt-to-roll-out...0subsidy%20card.
IF I decipher this correctly, government may just do take away all if not a big portion of the subsidy and provide subsidy car only to targeted group.
So my take is subsidy card will be issued like how they issue diesel subsidy car to fisherman....To whomever they deemed still need help
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They should just remove all.
Then no need the administration headache to implement, monitor and enforce. Better way to use that manpower on something more productive.
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Dec 4 2023, 01:28 AM)
They should just remove all.
Then no need the administration headache to implement, monitor and enforce. Better way to use that manpower on something more productive.
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Yes, I agree with this. Just need to rip the band-aid off and slowly let the market correct itself.
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Dec 4 2023, 01:28 AM)
They should just remove all.
Then no need the administration headache to implement, monitor and enforce. Better way to use that manpower on something more productive.
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QUOTE(Mavik @ Dec 4 2023, 08:42 AM)
Yes, I agree with this. Just need to rip the band-aid off and slowly let the market correct itself.
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That would be political suicides, unity government would not have the guts.

They have been operating on a similar mode via re- distributing wealth by taxing more on the rich and big company and going more easy or even helping on the smaller guys....and smaller businesses

An example will be when luxury tax is announced, RM2500 e bike incentive is announced for those who earns less than 'RM120,000 per year

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https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc...5R-gwQ/viewform

Please.take the survey conducted by our government
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post Dec 5 2023, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Dec 1 2023, 11:08 PM)
No.. this is from GOV survey

"Kumpulan isi rumah B80 (Pendapatan di bawah RM11,819)"
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https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/a...a-s-budget-2025

Datuk Seri Anwar on Oct 18 said that the government will remove fuel subsidies for RON 95, a heavily subsidised petrol, by the middle of 2025.
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QUOTE(pcdoctor_my @ Dec 1 2023, 08:16 PM)
I've said this before.
Malaysia should had followed what Singapore did - Introduce COE .
Zero fuel subsidy in Singapore.

Yes its cruel, but thats how Singapore control its car population in the country. Can't afford COE, means cant afford a car.
However their bus and MRT is fabulous. Buses are on time unlike our RapidKL "Guess what time they arrive" .

Here - Zero downpayment and 9 years car loan. Any tomdick and harry without salary slip, can be kawtim.

Thats how bad our citizens are pampered.
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So what stopping them from making public transport system as fabulous as Singapore's ?
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Dec 2 2023, 03:37 PM)
https://mier.org.my/rafizi-govt-to-roll-out...0subsidy%20card.
IF I decipher this correctly, government may just do take away all if not a big portion of the subsidy and provide subsidy car only to targeted group.
So my take is subsidy card will be issued like how they issue diesel subsidy car to fisherman....To whomever they deemed still need help
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Wait till the targeted group slowly becomes the forgotten group from the kaki kuat kencing. 🤣🤣🤣
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Oct 19 2024, 12:34 AM)
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/a...a-s-budget-2025

Datuk Seri Anwar on Oct 18 said that the government will remove fuel subsidies for RON 95, a heavily subsidised petrol, by the middle of 2025.
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Lets assume the price of Ron 95 are at rm2.76, my car will need additional rm34 per full tank (rm100 full tank now). Based on last time, its not the fuel price that just taking hit to us, its the others dominos effect, everything will price up. Foresee nasi lemak basic at roadside will sell at rm7-8 later.
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Mid 2025 Ron 95 next
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Oct 21 2024, 05:40 PM)
Lets assume the price of Ron 95 are at rm2.76, my car will need additional rm34 per full tank (rm100 full tank now). Based on last time, its not the fuel price that just taking hit to us, its the others dominos effect, everything will price up. Foresee nasi lemak basic at roadside will sell at rm7-8 later.
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Well, why our neighbour country (Thailand/Indonesia) can still survive, sell cheap food even their fuel price are higher than us? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Nov 6 2024, 09:27 AM)
Well, why our neighbour country (Thailand/Indonesia) can still survive, sell cheap food even their fuel price are higher than us?  hmm.gif
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Because they smuggle our cheap and subsidized fuel, etc.?

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Nov 6 2024, 11:46 AM)
Because they smuggle our cheap and subsidized fuel, etc.?

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If nearboring border maybe yes, but overall country still cheaper than us.
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Nov 6 2024, 10:48 AM)
If nearboring border maybe yes, but overall country still cheaper than us.
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How about because Malaysian like to contribute to their country?

https://www.bernama.com/en/news.php?id=2359848
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Cut here...add somewhere....business as usual
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Nov 6 2024, 11:59 AM)
How about because Malaysian like to contribute to their country?

https://www.bernama.com/en/news.php?id=2359848
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They are cheap at first somemore more "freedom", that why most Malaysian like to visit them. brows.gif devil.gif innocent.gif

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Nov 6 2024, 10:48 AM)
If nearboring border maybe yes, but overall country still cheaper than us.
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Because they are agriculture country or agriculture as main economy driver. So that end up the food in particular cheaper by a lot vs us who I believe need to do some import. Especially the basic as flour, rice, sugar.
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QUOTE(tomato people @ Nov 6 2024, 11:09 AM)
Cut here...add somewhere....business as usual
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Put more newer tax, cut some area subsidy for the sake of not implementing the GST. Scared for backlash from big player behind PH?
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Nov 6 2024, 11:13 AM)
They are cheap at first somemore more "freedom", that why most Malaysian like to visit them.  brows.gif  devil.gif  innocent.gif
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https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/733005



Drum rolling.....

Ladies and Gentlemen, introducing 2-tier pricing
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Nov 6 2024, 10:48 AM)
If nearboring border maybe yes, but overall country still cheaper than us.
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Because their agriculture & aquaculture industry is much stronger.

They are a food producer, not heavily reliant on food imports.
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Nov 7 2024, 10:08 PM)
https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/733005
Drum rolling.....

Ladies and Gentlemen, introducing 2-tier pricing
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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Nov 7 2024, 09:45 PM)
Because their agriculture & aquaculture industry is much stronger.

They are a food producer, not heavily reliant on food imports.
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You know when our diesel subsidies were put off, a lot of farmers cries say diesel will impact their overall cost. bangwall.gif
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Nov 8 2024, 08:35 AM)
You know when our diesel subsidies were put off, a lot of farmers cries say diesel will impact their overall cost.  bangwall.gif
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You know that some of the fishermen was part of the buggers that smuggled subsidised diesel to the smuggling cartel.
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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Nov 10 2024, 07:16 AM)
You know that some of the fishermen was part of the buggers that smuggled subsidised diesel to the smuggling cartel.
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Alas, these bad apples are still rotting to the core and they are the ones who are the most vocal and cry the loudest cry for help without guilt and against any conscience.

Misappropriated targetted subsidy sadly is how some people having been making their living i.e. by continue ripping off government and other tax payers.

All this brings back to the tragic logic of subsidy....Which should really just aid the truly deserving ones AND it cannot be perpetual, it must go out altogether by certain time frame .

And time limit needs to be adhered to. They cannot be extended numerously like what has happened in the past. It only earns no respect of time and make no respect of the government of the day.

A good government cannot be just be populous. It need to be not just hand out carrots but also pull out sticks when the time for doing so is called for.

I find Norwefian government most aspiring and leading by a good example.

They are not the biggest country in Europe yet they have among the best governance, and you can really emulate some of their best practices.

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https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...-ron95-subsidy/

Economy minister Rafizi Ramli today explained why RON95 subsidies cannot be distributed based on vehicle ownership or through direct cash transfers.


Rafizi said data from the road transport department (JPJ), analysed by Padu, showed that about 40% of B60 households do not have registered vehicles.

“This presents a problem because while we may think that vehicle registration could be an effective tool for targeting subsidy adjustments, the reality is that many lower-income households actually do not have a registered vehicle in their name.

“For instance, one family may share a motorcycle under a single registration name,” he said when responding to a supplementary question from Suhaizan Kaiat (PH-Pulai) during Minister’s Question Time in the Dewan Rakyat.


Economy minister Rafizi Ramli said data from JPJ showed that about 40% of B60 households do not have registered vehicles. (Bernama pic)
KUALA LUMPUR: Economy minister Rafizi Ramli today explained why RON95 subsidies cannot be distributed based on vehicle ownership or through direct cash transfers.

Rafizi said data from the road transport department (JPJ), analysed by Padu, showed that about 40% of B60 households do not have registered vehicles.


“This presents a problem because while we may think that vehicle registration could be an effective tool for targeting subsidy adjustments, the reality is that many lower-income households actually do not have a registered vehicle in their name.

“For instance, one family may share a motorcycle under a single registration name,” he said when responding to a supplementary question from Suhaizan Kaiat (PH-Pulai) during Minister’s Question Time in the Dewan Rakyat.

Suhaizan had asked for Rafizi’s views on a suggestion for an adjustable petrol levy to be paid by drivers when renewing road tax to streamline subsidies, instead of providing direct subsidies at the pump.

Rafizi cited similar challenges encountered when targeting diesel subsidies, where individuals sometimes register vehicles under the names of others, leading to data mismatches.

As such, he said, using vehicle registration data alone could lead to significant exclusions among intended subsidy recipients.

FMT previously reported the Federation of Malaysian Consumers Associations (Fomca) as saying that the two-tier pricing system for RON95 petrol under the incoming targeted subsidy programme should be linked to vehicle registrations instead of identity cards.

Fomca CEO Saravanan Thambirajah echoed former Umno man Shahril Hamdan’s opinion, expressed in an episode of the Keluar Sekejap podcast, that an IC verification system would be prone to abuse.

Shahril himself mooted using cash rebates as a way to reduce subsidy leakages.

Rafizi also said the government had considered the cash transfer method, an approach used in most countries that do not give subsidies to their citizens.

“However, our government has found that this approach poses a high risk of driving up prices. That’s why the government has chosen the current approach (two-tier pricing system),” he said in response to a supplementary question from Abdul Latiff Abdul Rahman (PN-Kuala Krai).


Latif had asked whether there are international models that Malaysia could look to as examples for implementing subsidy rationalisation.

Rafizi said Malaysia is the reference, as most countries have transitioned to market pricing for fuel, with no country offering subsidies as extensive as Malaysia’s.

“Other countries simply do not have a situation like Malaysia’s. Nearly all countries now use direct cash transfers – floating the prices and then providing monthly cash assistance to the people,” he said.
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They are retarded… why so hard to implement

Just want to make it complicated so their crony can do project to implement this.

1. Remove all subsidy at the pump
2. Every Malaysian with valid drivers license entitled for subsided 150L per month.
3. Enter your IC number at the pump/counter keypad and pay retail price for petrol.
4. Gahmen immediately rebate the subsidy amount to your e-wallet or bank account.

150L more than enough for motorcycles and almost 4 full tank for Myvi — about 1600km a month. Your car high cc high fuel consumption you makan sendiri. Couple then make sure wife also got license, B2 free kan.

Habis cerita. Right now minister complain smugglers and rich ppl using more subsidy. This solves it. Rich man ask driver to pump petrol, driver enter his own IC and get rebate. Good for him but still limited to 150L a month.
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QUOTE(Jason @ Nov 14 2024, 09:51 AM)
They are retarded… why so hard to implement

Just want to make it complicated so their crony can do project to implement this.

1. Remove all subsidy at the pump
2. Every Malaysian with valid drivers license entitled for subsided 150L per month.
3. Enter your IC number at the pump/counter keypad and pay retail price for petrol.
4. Gahmen immediately rebate the subsidy amount to your e-wallet or bank account.

150L more than enough for motorcycles and almost 4 full tank for Myvi — about 1600km a month. Your car high cc high fuel consumption you makan sendiri. Couple then make sure wife also got license, B2 free kan.

Habis cerita. Right now minister complain smugglers and rich ppl using more subsidy. This solves it. Rich man ask driver to pump petrol, driver enter his own IC and get rebate. Good for him but still limited to 150L a month.
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Rich man may just ask his driver to get a few more" petrol fillers " to use their NRIC and allocation , so we create a different kind of 'fisherman" in the case of diesel subsidy

When there is a will there is a way to beat your described system
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Nov 14 2024, 10:50 PM)
Rich man may just ask his driver to get a few more" petrol fillers " to use their NRIC and allocation , so we create a different kind of 'fisherman" in the case of diesel subsidy

When there is a will there is a way to beat your described system
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The money goes to the IC that was used, not the rich man/petrol filler. Husband pump petrol, his own 150L finish he enter his wife's IC#, money goes to the wife.

If you entered my IC to pump petrol, money comes to me, using my quota from the 150L allocation. I wouldn't give you anything. The subsidy is like RM1~2/L, 150L only nets RM300.. what is there to give you back lah lol.


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QUOTE(Jason @ Nov 15 2024, 09:19 AM)
The money goes to the IC that was used, not the rich man/petrol filler. Husband pump petrol, his own 150L finish he enter his wife's IC#, money goes to the wife.

If you entered my IC to pump petrol, money comes to me, using my quota from the 150L allocation. I wouldn't give you anything. The subsidy is like RM1~2/L, 150L only nets RM300.. what is there to give you back lah lol.
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Oh I have misread your plan but you maybe surprised how many people in rural area is willing to let their NRIC and e wallet be HAD for a promised fixed undeclared income

How do you think the below can happen ?

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2024...nd039s-sg-golok

I have worked in Kelantan states for 5 years in my youth and I have seen during 1990 to 2000 where some penghulu and their cohorts offering up NRICs of their villagers to be mule for some rich folks there in applying IPO and opening bank accounts....

Having everything digital now only makes it easier as all one need is an e wallet , and we both know how handphone number registered in one's name imay not be carried by the registered number owner and is almost as good and as secured as Cash

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1. All cars owners have a hand phone (coz hp is cheaper than a car)
2. All Malaysian cars owners have their valid MY IC
3. Hence it possible to force e-Wallet operator to link the IC & HP

At pump, just enter IC # and use e-wallet or card or cash to pay for full price. Govt immediately credit the subsidy amount into e-wallet, limit RM150-200 per month (let's say). End of story. tongue.gif

Those T15 / T2 / T30, classified by their Income Tax file no (linked to IC), are automatically NOT credited with the subsidy money.
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The money goes to the IC that was used, not the rich man/petrol filler. Husband pump petrol, his own 150L finish he enter his wife's IC#, money goes to the wife.

If you entered my IC to pump petrol, money comes to me, using my quota from the 150L allocation. I wouldn't give you anything. The subsidy is like RM1~2/L, 150L only nets RM300.. what is there to give you back lah lol.
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If gomen is bijak, they can utilize the TNG apps as last time they give ewallet cash via here.
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It suffice to say it sucks to be pure petrol stations these days...

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/genera...-tame-smuggling

As if diesel thingy already did not make their businesses hard enough, they have to contend themselves with

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...s-rafizi/156593


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Rafizi said the government acknowledges the challenges in implementing the project.

"These challenges include infrastructure issues, particularly, slow internet access in rural areas and damaged ID card chips, risks of identity verification and potential misuse of ID cards.


"Therefore, the government is committed to ensuring that the chosen mechanism is appropriate and does not burden the public,” he said.


More reason why we should switch EV even cheap ones to pay less visit to petrol stations unless they have EV Charges there
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If gomen is bijak, they can utilize the TNG apps as last time they give ewallet cash via here.
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TnG is a private company, why must pick any single 1 company? Government bijak, means any e-wallet, and any bank account, as long as licensed by BNM. Government tak kisah and no crony.

QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Nov 15 2024, 12:03 PM)
It suffice to say it sucks to be pure petrol stations these days...

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/genera...-tame-smuggling

As if diesel thingy already did not make their businesses hard enough, they have to contend themselves with

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...s-rafizi/156593
More reason why we should switch EV even cheap ones to pay less visit to petrol stations unless they have EV Charges there
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All petrol stations already have the keypad for credit card at the pump. There is no need to do any "canggih" infrastructure. Just add a page for people to enter their IC number. Petronas already can support this (enter mobile number to collect Mesra points)

Things can be implemented EASILY, but they want to choose the DIFFICULT PATH to have PROJECTS.
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TnG is a private company, why must pick any single 1 company? Government bijak, means any e-wallet, and any bank account, as long as licensed by BNM. Government tak kisah and no crony.
All petrol stations already have the keypad for credit card at the pump. There is no need to do any "canggih" infrastructure. Just add a page for people to enter their IC number. Petronas already can support this (enter mobile number to collect Mesra points)

Things can be implemented EASILY, but they want to choose the DIFFICULT PATH to have PROJECTS.
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Petrol station in msia , they only self dev their own member page/system, rest of the thing u see on those kiosk ker, pump screen ke all is outsource to diff companies.

If want use this method, gov actually is the one that need to setup and maintain the backend+api.

Also caltex one so fking laoya i duno they cant handle it or not lol.

On paper if u do this with tngo actually should be cheaper and easier. But then monopoly arises.
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Petrol station in msia , they only self dev their own member page/system, rest of the thing u see on those kiosk ker, pump screen ke all is outsource to diff companies.

If want use this method, gov actually is the one that need to setup and maintain the backend+api.

Also caltex one so fking laoya i duno they cant handle it or not lol.

On paper if u do this with tngo actually should be cheaper and easier. But then monopoly arises.
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No need so susah.

Haiya
Gov just need to say
This is the API you need to integrate to get subsidy for your customers. You want to do or don’t want to do, up to you. You do your customers enjoy subsidy. You don’t do then no subsidy for your customers.

Shell do it at their own cost. Caltex don’t do it. You think people will go to which petrol station?

Edit: you got share in TnG? Can belanja me since you so kaya

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BLAST from the PAST

https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/fuel-su...thly-says-husni

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BLAST from the PAST

https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/fuel-su...thly-says-husni

See you are paying attention or sleeping
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need calculate the 10 year inflation
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need calculate the 10 year inflation
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Just take off fuel subsidy since gomen lack of funds for other programs etc. give subsidy like Pak Lah times but via latest tech, straight via IC cash rebates etc
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December 2, 2024 @ 8:34pm

...It just never really occurred to me that purchasing an electric car would be the catalyst for making solar roof such a good financial move especially as the government is mulling the possibility of modifying the current petrol subsidy system to exclude a large portion of the population.

After all most people don't really take the environment into account when they buy a car but they do take into account running cost, maintenance, insurance and monthly payments.

By looking at car and solar as a package, buyers would see a much larger financial benefit of making the move to electric vehicles.

In any case, the move to electric vehicles cannot rely on government incentives beyond the first few years where it is necessary to attract early buyers to the technology but beyond that they have to stand on their own merit.

Stories like that of Mushab and his young family who represents the average Malaysian family is the sort that will make people think that they too should make the transition.

Once there is no financial penalty in the purchase price of an electric vehicle, people will need to overcome their concerns with the cost of battery replacement and the longevity of the batteries but it seems that worry is fast evaporating.

The proof of this renewed confidence in batteries can be seen in the resurgence of hybrid sales in Malaysia and around the world.

Just a few years ago any suggestion of hybrid would be met with a frown and a question about the cost of battery replacement because many of us have heard about the jaw dropping prices of post-warranty battery replacement for hybrids. 

The prospect of never having to pay for neither electricity nor petrol can be one of the most compelling reason to make the EV transition. I'm sorry of you live in a highrise.

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https://soyacincau.com/2024/12/16/proton-em...e-specs-launch/

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Trade in your ICE, more rebates if they are Proton ICEs
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Dec 17 2024, 01:32 AM)
https://soyacincau.com/2024/12/16/proton-em...e-specs-launch/

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Trade in your ICE, more rebates if they are Proton ICEs
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better wait up to mid next year, later they put rebates. See x70 facelifted, new, already put rm10k rebates. why cant this EV model
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Aiya, why Govt talked so long about subsidy removal and no update on how is it done ?

The earlier they got rid of the drug for rakyat, the faster we will see EV transition.
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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Dec 17 2024, 02:38 PM)
Aiya, why Govt talked so long about subsidy removal and no update on how is it done ?

The earlier they got rid of the drug for rakyat, the faster we will see EV transition.
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Especially ron95, it seems nothing at the moment
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Aiya, why Govt talked so long about subsidy removal and no update on how is it done ?

The earlier they got rid of the drug for rakyat, the faster we will see EV transition.
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Need to define T15 first , just around the corner: 1Q2025

https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/737225

After that , by mid 2025 the details on the roll out implementing
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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Dec 17 2024, 02:38 PM)
Aiya, why Govt talked so long about subsidy removal and no update on how is it done ?

The earlier they got rid of the drug for rakyat, the faster we will see EV transition.
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Madani in a nutshell. some ministers want drastic action plans etc, but when come to PMX, need to factors for B40, so hold again and again. See why Sarawak diesel still continue subsidy but remove for peninsular. different country? no ball to make drastic but good action in a long run?
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I'm for EV

Now using a < 50k car, +/- 10k km per year. Electric bill also abt $80.

So don't make sense for my use case now, unless I sell charging at my home, lol.

Will be interesting when EV is abt 75k with decent range.
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Dec 18 2024, 09:21 AM)
Madani in a nutshell. some ministers want drastic action plans etc, but when come to PMX, need to factors for B40, so hold again and again. See why Sarawak diesel still continue subsidy but remove for peninsular. different country? no ball to make drastic but good action in a long run?
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Sabah election is coming by 2025, besides that they need GPS to support current goverment. If they pull out Madani will fall, is all about politics.

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I already paying diesel RM 2.95 vs RM 2.15 previously.
So one tank diesel now is RM 35 more expensive than before (For my CX5)

One full tank is approximately 650km

One month I pump twice, so one month RM 70 more expensive for me.
It is not as drastic increase as what I've expected.
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Dec 18 2024, 08:21 AM)
Madani in a nutshell. some ministers want drastic action plans etc, but when come to PMX, need to factors for B40, so hold again and again. See why Sarawak diesel still continue subsidy but remove for peninsular. different country? no ball to make drastic but good action in a long run?
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They claimed sabah and sarawak many people using diesel, thats why madani decided continue giving subsidy..
I'm glad selling off my mitsubishi triton before the subsidy for peninsular been removed
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2025 is also the last year of delay of CKD car prices based on OMV


https://www.wapcar.my/news/omv-issue-2025-p...ntil-2026-83391


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https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2025...oon-says-rafizi

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The eligibility criteria and mechanism for the RON95 subsidy should be announced in a few weeks, says Economy Minister Rafizi Ramli.

He said his ministry would present related matters to the Cabinet soon for approval before informing the public.


“The Economy Ministry and Finance Ministry will bring the proposal of the mechanism and eligibility to Cabinet for approval, and as we progress, we will communicate to the public as soon as possible.

"Given that the timeline is in a few months, and this is already January, some of these announcements have to be made progressively going forward," he said at the Malaysian Economic Forum on Tuesday (Jan 9).


Rafizi said the announcement would include the transition from existing gross income criteria, which comprise B40, M40, and T20, to net disposable income.

“We have informed the proposal of policy changes, but the Cabinet's decision has to be official so we can proceed to the next steps.

"In a few weeks, we hope to finalise the matter with the government’s approval in accordance with the proposal by the Economy Ministry,” he added.

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Dec 20 2024, 02:11 PM)
I already paying diesel RM 2.95 vs RM 2.15 previously.
So one tank diesel now is RM 35 more expensive than before (For my CX5)

One full tank is approximately 650km

One month I pump twice, so one month RM 70 more expensive for me.
It is not as drastic increase as what I've expected.
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Those who need to pay full is the one who can afford to absorb the price hike. and what citizen concern is goods and services price hike. but, diesel subsidy removal not really affected inflation. just enter new year, food of price increase. but not related to diesel. but related to other things. chain effect.

If I become government, I will fast fast remove ron95 subsidy. even without removal, price of goods still increase. so, why need to wait.
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At least until after Sabah state election I suppose
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Dec 20 2024, 02:11 PM)
I already paying diesel RM 2.95 vs RM 2.15 previously.
So one tank diesel now is RM 35 more expensive than before (For my CX5)

One full tank is approximately 650km

One month I pump twice, so one month RM 70 more expensive for me.
It is not as drastic increase as what I've expected.
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Many need to pump at least twice per week unfortunately, not as lucky as you to only need to pump twice a month
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Jan 13 2025, 10:51 AM)
Many need to pump at least twice per week unfortunately, not as lucky as you to only need to pump twice a month
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My car tank is bigger.
If I pump twice every week I'll be doing 5,200km every month.

An average consumer only drives 2,000km per month.

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QUOTE(DS51 @ Jan 13 2025, 10:00 AM)
Those who need to pay full is the one who can afford to absorb the price hike. and what citizen concern is goods and services price hike. but, diesel subsidy removal not really affected inflation. just enter new year, food of price increase. but not related to diesel. but related to other things. chain effect.

If I become government, I will fast fast remove ron95 subsidy. even without removal, price of goods still increase. so, why need to wait.
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I vouched for subsidy removal be it diesel as well as petrol. Too many foreigner taking an advantage here especially at the boarder, in Perlis more obvious Thailand registered car filled up our 95 like nobody cares. But, if Gomen got ball, make it to all, not Peninsular only, include also Sabah and Sarawak, what are the objective discard them from subsidy cut off?

Another is the related to Medical, at KKM and Public Hospital. RM1 treatment is sure hurts the gomen wallet cz nobody is checking the patient weather they are b40 nor t20, both pay rm1. Why not make it rm50 as minimum except to those needed and purely b40? The extra fund from this, or saving from the subsidy by this, transfer it to KKM or MOH, they can use it to hire more doctors, or give annual appreciation bonus for example.

Pity to see the gomen Doctors need to works extra miles and full swing especially see the no of patients at any public hospitals are max daily
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Jan 13 2025, 12:19 PM)
I vouched for subsidy removal be it diesel as well as petrol. Too many foreigner taking an advantage here especially at the boarder, in Perlis more obvious Thailand registered car filled up our 95 like nobody cares. But, if Gomen got ball, make it to all, not Peninsular only, include also Sabah and Sarawak, what are the objective discard them from subsidy cut off?

Another is the related to Medical, at KKM and Public Hospital. RM1 treatment is sure hurts the gomen wallet cz nobody is checking the patient weather they are b40 nor t20, both pay rm1. Why not make it rm50 as minimum except to those needed and purely b40? The extra fund from this, or saving from the subsidy by this, transfer it to KKM or MOH, they can use it to hire more doctors, or give annual appreciation bonus for example.

Pity to see the gomen Doctors need to works extra miles and full swing especially see the no of patients at any public hospitals are max daily
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Rural area of Sabah Sarawak has to rely on diesel generator for their electricity supply on night time (some even for whole day), if u raise the diesel price then it will affect them very badly.

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jan 14 2025, 03:56 PM)
Rural area of Sabah Sarawak has to rely on diesel generator for their electricity supply on night time (some even for whole day), if u raise the diesel price then it will affect them very badly.
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Then there still a potential of diesel/ petrol transfer out of the country again and again where the taxpayers paying indirectly for that.

 

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