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MCD > married brown
KFC > ayam muiz
Nutella > choco albab
Nescafe > aikcheong
Maggi > mamee
Darlie > Raiya
Breeze > doozee
Dettol > antabax
Tiger&chipsmore > munchy's
Caltex > bhp
what are some alternatives to Boikot? Pls suggest.
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Nov 23 2023, 12:26 AM
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if they dont have stock, they cannot sell it. alternative is buy all their stock. Rusty Nail liked this post
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Nov 23 2023, 12:28 AM
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even something as important as toothpaste you want to boikot?? in 10 years you'll have to go to the dentist to fill up your teeth with western medicine teeth filling and western medicine diamond drill bit and give them 100x more money that what your toothpaste boikot took from them DarkNite liked this post
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Nov 23 2023, 12:55 AM
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QUOTE(sadlyfalways @ Nov 23 2023, 12:51 AM) even something as important as toothpaste you want to boikot?? in 10 years you'll have to go to the dentist to fill up your teeth with western medicine teeth filling and western medicine diamond drill bit and give them 100x more money that what your toothpaste boikot took from them Ha?Who said anything about boikot toothpaste terus? Got read or not? Got alternative brand kan... Not yet makan ubat issit MegaCanonF liked this post
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Nov 23 2023, 01:04 AM
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QUOTE(sadlyfalways @ Nov 23 2023, 12:51 AM) even something as important as toothpaste you want to boikot?? in 10 years you'll have to go to the dentist to fill up your teeth with western medicine teeth filling and western medicine diamond drill bit and give them 100x more money that what your toothpaste boikot took from them why?local toothpaste brand cannot protect our teeth? |
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Nov 23 2023, 01:06 AM
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QUOTE(likefunyouare @ Nov 23 2023, 12:24 AM) ![]() ![]() for me MCD > married brown KFC > ayam muiz Nutella > choco albab Nescafe > aikcheong Maggi > mamee Darlie > Raiya Breeze > doozee Dettol > antabax Tiger&chipsmore > munchy's Caltex > bhp miloy2k liked this post
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Nov 23 2023, 01:06 AM
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Nov 23 2023, 01:08 AM
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shud boycott since day 1 not now....acah2 je these ppl
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Nov 23 2023, 01:12 AM
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Nov 23 2023, 01:12 AM
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Nov 23 2023, 01:13 AM
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Death is the best alternative.
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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Nov 23 2023, 12:55 AM) Ha? typical malaysian with zero care for mental health lmao straight medicationWho said anything about boikot toothpaste terus? Got read or not? Got alternative brand kan... Not yet makan ubat issit anyway, you think local brand can protect your teeth? knn cannot even make convincing milo but can supersede years of research and development the western brands have? you try la go stain your shirt and use local brand to clean vs dynamo (proctor and gamble) |
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Judging from how this syok sendiri Boycott goes, I wonder would someday some confused fella boycott the SCS Butter
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QUOTE(sadlyfalways @ Nov 23 2023, 01:19 AM) typical malaysian with zero care for mental health lmao straight medication Holy shit its just toothpaste.anyway, you think local brand can protect your teeth? knn cannot even make convincing milo but can supersede years of research and development the western brands have? you try la go stain your shirt and use local brand to clean vs dynamo (proctor and gamble) Janji ada flouride, cukup dah. Memang typical Malaysian, membaca bukan budaya. This post has been edited by cursetheroad01: Nov 23 2023, 01:22 AM MegaCanonF liked this post
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Nov 23 2023, 01:31 AM
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I misunderstood the title, I thought what actions were better alternatives than boycotting. Seriously boycotting doesn't dent Israel a bit, but you are just hurting local people doing businesses. Don't know who start this boycott campaign, but I am sure the starter/leader is not bright, he never thinks about the repercussions - and all of the followers also not bright too. Someone who are bright, please find other alternatives protesting the war. Surely there is one. DarkNite liked this post
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Nov 23 2023, 02:09 AM
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It's useless Go thailand, philipine, singapore, vietnam, korea, japan Compare to us, it's not even make a dent in their market, the one hurting is our own people, if you like to see your own kind suffer then by all means go ahead, but don't blame nons pula why not join your cause Didn't you all learn past history boycott in malaysia?? Ikea?? McD?? Hangat taik ayam jer setakat dpt like share at socmed but in the end flock back juga BlueLion11 liked this post
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Nov 23 2023, 02:24 AM
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QUOTE(billylks @ Nov 23 2023, 01:31 AM) I misunderstood the title, I thought what actions were better alternatives than boycotting. Seriously boycotting doesn't dent Israel a bit, but you are just hurting local people doing businesses. Don't know who start this boycott campaign, but I am sure the starter/leader is not bright, he never thinks about the repercussions - and all of the followers also not bright too. Someone who are bright, please find other alternatives protesting the war. Surely there is one. QUOTE(melvin91motorola @ Nov 23 2023, 02:09 AM) It's useless it's not about the money Go thailand, philipine, singapore, vietnam, korea, japan Compare to us, it's not even make a dent in their market, the one hurting is our own people, if you like to see your own kind suffer then by all means go ahead, but don't blame nons pula why not join your cause Didn't you all learn past history boycott in malaysia?? Ikea?? McD?? Hangat taik ayam jer setakat dpt like share at socmed but in the end flock back juga it's about sending a message |
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Nov 23 2023, 02:27 AM
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Jews are clever, thats why so many products and inventions .. Islam, Hindu and Buddhist are lazy asses ..
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Kek Yep. The state of Malaysians consumers. Even if these boikot weren't for this particular conflict, there's no way to organise a long term effort among Malaysians against any causes because a large portion of us just too kiasu. We aren't known for persevering, continuous efforts. That, and the defeatist, tak apa attitude. Somewhat relevant, it's why can't have effective unions because masing masing nak jaga periuk nasi masing masing. This post has been edited by cursetheroad01: Nov 23 2023, 02:30 AM DarkNite liked this post
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Nov 23 2023, 02:33 AM
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Nov 23 2023, 03:48 AM
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Nov 23 2023, 03:59 AM
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QUOTE(sadlyfalways @ Nov 23 2023, 01:19 AM) typical malaysian with zero care for mental health lmao straight medication Slow down cowboy. You clearly had comprehension issue early on. The guy asks for alternatives and you got your panties wet. And now you sound bitter. Calm down okanyway, you think local brand can protect your teeth? knn cannot even make convincing milo but can supersede years of research and development the western brands have? you try la go stain your shirt and use local brand to clean vs dynamo (proctor and gamble) |
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"Tulis beribu perkataaaaaaannnnn, ..... "
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Boikot all these products please, then we nons can enjoy lower prices like McD now.
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Nov 23 2023, 04:27 AM
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Just learn from PAS, theres no need to boikot everything, choose one very easy to boikot to show solidarity
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Nov 23 2023, 04:54 AM
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QUOTE(likefunyouare @ Nov 23 2023, 12:24 AM) ![]() ![]() for me MCD > married brown KFC > ayam muiz Nutella > choco albab Nescafe > aikcheong Maggi > mamee Darlie > Raiya Breeze > doozee Dettol > antabax Tiger&chipsmore > munchy's Caltex > bhp Wadapps This 2 u done ? dwks liked this post
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O really hope these stocks tank price kaw kaw for those listed in M'sia. Then can buy for cheap.
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kata boikot. tapi mesidi, internet, fb, youtube guna jugak
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Nov 23 2023, 05:28 AM
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QUOTE(sadlyfalways @ Nov 23 2023, 12:51 AM) even something as important as toothpaste you want to boikot?? in 10 years you'll have to go to the dentist to fill up your teeth with western medicine teeth filling and western medicine diamond drill bit and give them 100x more money that what your toothpaste boikot took from them Use Raiya local product. Cheapest and work in same way. |
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QUOTE(OrientalGopi @ Nov 23 2023, 01:08 AM) I won't use the word boycott.. But i don't really see some of those yahudi brand are more superior than local brand when come to quality... We should support local brand with quality.....buy Malaysia brand |
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Nov 23 2023, 05:52 AM
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The best alternative to boycott is think smart and do better than those brands.
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I kinda like thread like this
People keep say dont boycott, find other alternatives But there is none Money is the biggest weapon that you have Boycott works, even if it is just a little bump You want to want to boycott only a few stuff? go ahead Everyone have right to choose not to buy stuff that they don't wanna buy |
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Nov 23 2023, 06:39 AM
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PuAS members should boycott mercedes n apple devices to set a good example. Now they say cannot, why not? Just sell the cars n buy other brands
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Stop consume maggi mee and milo. I bet most people here will only do selective boycotting. If really want to boycott, please boycott all related brands and not selective. Be serious.
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Boikot ownself so ownself dun exist?
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Nov 23 2023, 07:13 AM
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lol henry ford not americunt meh?
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Nov 23 2023, 07:15 AM
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Nov 23 2023, 07:20 AM
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Getting served a court summon is great ...
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Nov 23 2023, 07:22 AM
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Microsoft in or not? Facebook?
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Nov 23 2023, 07:25 AM
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Mana intel, fb, meta etc?
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QUOTE(billylks @ Nov 23 2023, 01:31 AM) I misunderstood the title, I thought what actions were better alternatives than boycotting. Seriously boycotting doesn't dent Israel a bit, but you are just hurting local people doing businesses. Don't know who start this boycott campaign, but I am sure the starter/leader is not bright, he never thinks about the repercussions - and all of the followers also not bright too. Someone who are bright, please find other alternatives protesting the war. Surely there is one. QUOTE(melvin91motorola @ Nov 23 2023, 02:09 AM) It's useless Jangan persoal.Go thailand, philipine, singapore, vietnam, korea, japan Compare to us, it's not even make a dent in their market, the one hurting is our own people, if you like to see your own kind suffer then by all means go ahead, but don't blame nons pula why not join your cause Didn't you all learn past history boycott in malaysia?? Ikea?? McD?? Hangat taik ayam jer setakat dpt like share at socmed but in the end flock back juga Mekdi turun harga = boikot berjaya. Otherwise they naik harga means they have enough support yakin naik harga still got pipur buy. |
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QUOTE(zero-0 @ Nov 23 2023, 06:30 AM) I kinda like thread like this We boycott via selecting alternative brands. Mau fast food? Go warung that serve western but local style. Ramli burger stand. Marrybrown.People keep say dont boycott, find other alternatives But there is none Money is the biggest weapon that you have Boycott works, even if it is just a little bump You want to want to boycott only a few stuff? go ahead Everyone have right to choose not to buy stuff that they don't wanna buy Nestle? Usah diambil. Ambil vico cap ayam anything lebih baik. Kipidap 10 tahun pahala berlimpah limpah hidup bahagia. QUOTE(POYOZER @ Nov 23 2023, 06:47 AM) Stop consume maggi mee and milo. I bet most people here will only do selective boycotting. If really want to boycott, please boycott all related brands and not selective. Be serious. That's the spirit. Keep pushing on. |
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QUOTE(likefunyouare @ Nov 23 2023, 07:56 AM) International human rights treaty. dwks liked this post
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Nov 23 2023, 08:11 AM
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Nov 23 2023, 08:13 AM
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How about stop wasting time killing the local economy first?
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For a good alternative, you can go kill yourself.
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Lot of unhealthy garbage. Easier to drop them altogether
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Actually, why people so mad over boycott move?
Is it because they own mcd franchise or they are nestle’s employee? I dont boycott. But i dont get mad over it as well. Your money, up to you how do you want to spend it. |
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boikot only if have alternative this is the logik and also some PUAS leaders say ikut RASA HATI, FB ,insta no alternative ok fine use it, but mercedes have so many alternative tapi tak buat, semangat yg lemah je i tengok. So if my kid wants happy meal and no local place gives a meal with a free toy so bolehla pergi macdonald betul tu takda salahnya kan kan kan 😁😁😁 and so many local staff working in mac donald still, does tat mean they support israel also, no wonder this boikot not working kena upkan semangat😁😁😁
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Boikot more pls.. hopefully Body shop suffer kau kau and reduce prices. I need to start buying x'mas present.
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boikot sini sana , dont forget boycott fb and IG cause owned by a jew
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Boycock only hurts the locals, you think it impact them over there meh? As usual hippo only .... to show off ... shiok sendiri ...
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QUOTE(viole @ Nov 23 2023, 08:44 AM) Actually, why people so mad over boycott move? The whole movement are extremely hypocritical that serves merely as political tools to distract attentions from real national issues. Not to mention Malaysia’s own systematic racism which should be obvious even to you.Is it because they own mcd franchise or they are nestle’s employee? I dont boycott. But i dont get mad over it as well. Your money, up to you how do you want to spend it. |
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QUOTE(viole @ Nov 23 2023, 08:44 AM) Actually, why people so mad over boycott move? I don't think ppl actually mad about it, it's more like amused by it.Is it because they own mcd franchise or they are nestle’s employee? I dont boycott. But i dont get mad over it as well. Your money, up to you how do you want to spend it. |
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So far I see, local Malaysians are most affected by the boycott like: -tumpang glamour western name brand like Zues Coffee and Kononya Kita Pizza -workers of fast food chain like mcd, KFC (but never mind la malays kan) compared to the poor guy got fired for wearing cross it's nothing Does boycott really help destroying Malaysian itself or cripple Israel economy ya? I think Malaysian economy cripple first before we could make a significant dent topkek cc: ry8128 skyblu3 liked this post
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QUOTE(dwks @ Nov 23 2023, 08:56 AM) The whole movement are extremely hypocritical that serves merely as political tools to distract attentions from real national issues. Not to mention Malaysia’s own systematic racism which should be obvious even to you. Come on. If not boycott, there will be thousand more distraction from real national issue. Even our pm is a champion at that.But seeing how overly some people react over how other people spending their own money, there must be something that irk those people. And why being irked if it doesnt harm us? I just dont get it. QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Nov 23 2023, 08:56 AM) Seeing some of ktards reaction, it’s definitely more than amused. |
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Boikot ini dan itu. Israel dah surender?
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Nov 23 2023, 09:09 AM
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We can rebrand, McD outsource to marry brown mcm tu
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Not boycott will not make you go to hell because god never say that to human and not even in your holy book dictionary.
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hello cannot.. like PUAS say we can only boycott mana2 yg mampu.. so must follow
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Nov 23 2023, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE(likefunyouare @ Nov 23 2023, 12:24 AM) ![]() ![]() for me MCD > married brown KFC > ayam muiz Nutella > choco albab Nescafe > aikcheong Maggi > mamee Darlie > Raiya Breeze > doozee Dettol > antabax Tiger&chipsmore > munchy's Caltex > bhp Some of those company also bought their ingredients from US company, and they also uses stuff from US/Israel... how? Kalau nak boikot, need to boikot end-to-end baru lah lengkap! |
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Nov 23 2023, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE(Strike Eureka @ Nov 23 2023, 09:07 AM) So far I see, local Malaysians are most affected by the boycott like: That goes without saying yo. They boycott here and there, in the end is own ppl susah.-tumpang glamour western name brand like Zues Coffee and Kononya Kita Pizza -workers of fast food chain like mcd, KFC (but never mind la malays kan) compared to the poor guy got fired for wearing cross it's nothing Does boycott really help destroying Malaysian itself or cripple Israel economy ya? I think Malaysian economy cripple first before we could make a significant dent topkek cc: ry8128 But then even boycott also not boycott all. Microsoft ok pula, Benz ok pulak |
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Nov 23 2023, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE(ry8128 @ Nov 23 2023, 12:33 PM) That goes without saying yo. They boycott here and there, in the end is own ppl susah. Microsoft - We don't have own OSBut then even boycott also not boycott all. Microsoft ok pula, Benz ok pulak Benz- our national automotive quality P1 P2 faham faham la Syarikat anak melayu bumiputera tempatan quality |
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Nov 23 2023, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE(viole @ Nov 23 2023, 09:07 AM) Come on. If not boycott, there will be thousand more distraction from real national issue. Even our pm is a champion at that. Who say people only dislike this boycott, most dislike all of distractions that anwar are doing. Only idiots don’t see through what Anwar is doing at this point, TVs aren’t the only informations tools like mahathir era.But seeing how overly some people react over how other people spending their own money, there must be something that irk those people. And why being irked if it doesnt harm us? I just dont get it. Seeing some of ktards reaction, it’s definitely more than amused. I personally couldn’t care less about this boycott, but less money outflow is never a bad thing for us. |
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