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post Nov 16 2023, 09:27 AM, updated 3y ago

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Employers not allowed to pay salaries in cash without approval - Sivakumar

KUALA LUMPUR: The payment of wages in cash is prohibited unless approved by both the employee and the Department of Labour Peninsular Malaysia (JTKSM) director-general to avoid manipulation.

Human Resources Minister V.Sivakumar said employers who do not pay wages through a bank account are committing an offence punishable by a fine of up to RM50,000 under Section 25 and 25(A) of the Labour Act 1955 (Act 265).

At a joint operation held at Pasar Borong Kuala Lumpur today, Sivakumar said 34 employers were inspected and 19 of them paid wages in cash. Other offences included violations of working hours and non-compliance with the Minimum Wages Ordinance.

“The operation aims to address complaints regarding unpaid wages, lack of contributions to the Social Security Organisation (Socso) and the Employees Provident Fund (EPF), and employers not paying salaries via bank accounts,” he told reporters after participating in the operation in the wholesale market.

Meanwhile, Sivakumar said that from January to October, a total of 1,654 investigations were opened for offences relating to payment of salaries, accommodation of workers and minimum wage orders, resulting in total fines of more than RM4.3 million.

He said that of the investigation papers opened, 357 cases were fined a total of RM391,236 while 775 cases were compounded RM3,958,500.

The investigation papers were opened under Act 265, Workers’ Minimum Standards of Housing and Amenities Act 1990, and Minimum Wages Order 2022.

He said the ministry and relevant departments are determined to ensure that there is no element of forced labour in the country and that integrated operations will continue throughout the country.

“I have stressed several times that if there are complaints from employees or the embassies, we will take stern action against any employer who does not comply with the existing laws in line with the International Labour Organisation (ILO) Convention,“ he said. - Bernama

Link: https://thesun.my/local/employers-not-allow...umar-CC11752624
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post Nov 16 2023, 09:31 AM

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jobs that are paid in cash usually don't pay EPF and SOCSO at all
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post Nov 16 2023, 09:35 AM

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Knowing my HR, she going to say “okay if you want bank in you can only receive 7 days later”

Her argument on why she go cash is because if that day or the day before got absentism she can deduct on the spot. If got bank in the Giro need to approve few days before actual pay date. So if got absentism between salary bank in and approval date very hard to claw back apparently.

I don’t want argue much coz this hr of mine power trip and probably sucking the GMs cock.

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post Nov 16 2023, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(Mixo Mania @ Nov 16 2023, 09:35 AM)
Knowing my HR, she going to say “okay if you want bank in you can only receive 7 days later”

Her argument on why she go cash is because if that day or the day before got absentism she can deduct on the spot. If got bank in the Giro need to approve few days before actual pay date. So if got absentism between salary bank in and approval date very hard to claw back apparently.

I don’t want argue much coz this hr of mine power trip and probably sucking the GMs cock.
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So every month ur HR pass cold hard cash to u???
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post Nov 16 2023, 10:01 AM

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Where to report employer?

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QUOTE(Mixo Mania @ Nov 16 2023, 09:35 AM)
Knowing my HR, she going to say “okay if you want bank in you can only receive 7 days later”

Her argument on why she go cash is because if that day or the day before got absentism she can deduct on the spot. If got bank in the Giro need to approve few days before actual pay date. So if got absentism between salary bank in and approval date very hard to claw back apparently.

I don’t want argue much coz this hr of mine power trip and probably sucking the GMs cock.
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confirm your company alot of workers hilang diri after gaji masuk
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post Nov 16 2023, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(Mixo Mania @ Nov 16 2023, 09:35 AM)
Knowing my HR, she going to say “okay if you want bank in you can only receive 7 days later”

Her argument on why she go cash is because if that day or the day before got absentism she can deduct on the spot. If got bank in the Giro need to approve few days before actual pay date. So if got absentism between salary bank in and approval date very hard to claw back apparently.

I don’t want argue much coz this hr of mine power trip and probably sucking the GMs cock.
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I think can pay cash but consider as 'advance payment' la. Then the 'advance' amount will be reflected (deduction) in the staff monthly salary slip. Only the balance will be banked into the staff bank account. Most important is in the staff salary slip, got deduction for epf, socso, sip, tax (if any), etc
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Nov 16 2023, 09:31 AM)
jobs that are paid in cash usually don't pay EPF and SOCSO at all
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and most are thouse illegal immigrants
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post Nov 16 2023, 10:06 AM

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The economy is so bad that some workers ask to be paid in cash weekly to keep up.
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QUOTE(drug5 @ Nov 16 2023, 09:58 AM)
So every month ur HR pass cold hard cash to u???
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For some of the ground workers yes. Office still get bank in.

Who gets cash or bank in, HR macam suka hati decide one.
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post Nov 16 2023, 10:13 AM

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Meanwhile, Sivakumar said that from January to October, a total of 1,654 investigations were opened for offences relating to payment of salaries, accommodation of workers and minimum wage orders, resulting in total fines of more than RM4.3 million.

Got people still working for below min wage?

Those business is the one that deserves boycott.

Boycott priority all gone wrong.

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I never get salary by cash.. all bank in to bank
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post Nov 16 2023, 10:18 AM

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Pay by cash coz they pay Rm1500 then declare pay Rm3000 = instant profit
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Only applicable local or including foreign workers?....my foreign workers dont want to go to bank / ATM bcs ......received cash...can immidetely called their remitance agent bkash .....to send money back

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QUOTE(Mixo Mania @ Nov 16 2023, 09:35 AM)
Knowing my HR, she going to say “okay if you want bank in you can only receive 7 days later”

Her argument on why she go cash is because if that day or the day before got absentism she can deduct on the spot. If got bank in the Giro need to approve few days before actual pay date. So if got absentism between salary bank in and approval date very hard to claw back apparently.

I don’t want argue much coz this hr of mine power trip and probably sucking the GMs cock.
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Then how your company pay your EPF/SOCSO? hmm.gif
Absent also kena deduct on the spot? What chinaman company is this?
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At a joint operation held at Pasar Borong Kuala Lumpur today


I would not expect people that runs a pasar booth/ stall to be run fully like an office anyway.
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QUOTE(ixaRA @ Nov 16 2023, 10:15 AM)
I never get salary by cash.. all bank in to bank
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many plantation worker get salary in cash...some warehouse paid cash...weekly wages.....to malaysian
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QUOTE(adam71 @ Nov 16 2023, 10:19 AM)
Only applicable local or including foreign workers?....my worker dont want to go to bank / ATM bcs ......received cash...can immidetely called their remitance agent bkash .....to send money back
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Hallo pulis.

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now can pay salary via TnG what, got DuitNow LULZ
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QUOTE(porselinaheart @ Nov 16 2023, 10:28 AM)
Hallo pulis.

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Jabatan tenaga kerja said can paid cash to foreign worker if obain written statement from them.....I was not wrong doing.......is law changed already?

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selalu yg bayar2 cash ni yg buat kerja kontrak by days la kot...macam renovation rumah etc?
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QUOTE(Mixo Mania @ Nov 16 2023, 09:35 AM)
Knowing my HR, she going to say “okay if you want bank in you can only receive 7 days later”

Her argument on why she go cash is because if that day or the day before got absentism she can deduct on the spot. If got bank in the Giro need to approve few days before actual pay date. So if got absentism between salary bank in and approval date very hard to claw back apparently.

I don’t want argue much coz this hr of mine power trip and probably sucking the GMs cock.
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I cannot imagine have to carry 24k cash everymonth to go and bank in.
Feels like will get robbed
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QUOTE(Nightstalker93 @ Nov 16 2023, 10:22 AM)
Then how your company pay your EPF/SOCSO? hmm.gif
Absent also kena deduct on the spot? What chinaman company is this?
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As you say lor, chinaman company.
But more like my HR constantly go on a power trip.
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QUOTE(Natsukashii @ Nov 16 2023, 10:13 AM)
Got people still working for below min wage?

Those business is the one that deserves boycott.

Boycott priority all gone wrong.
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know one bangla only get 1400 per month. they get bangla bcoz its cheap.
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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Nov 16 2023, 10:37 AM)
know one bangla only get 1400 per month. they get bangla bcoz its cheap.
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Something wrong with that bangla.. actually I think in our country, bangla also become demanding already.

Or maybe he don't have bangla friends who can explain our wages system. (min salary).

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QUOTE(Mixo Mania @ Nov 16 2023, 10:10 AM)
For some of the ground workers yes. Office still get bank in.

Who gets cash or bank in, HR macam suka hati decide one.
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This one worse than my ex-company which runs off multiple shell companies
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I paid cash to my workers for almost 10 years without problems. Now only say illegal?

At the same time, I also paid SOCSO and EPF plus LHDN for the workers. Cash only payable after deductions.
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QUOTE(Natsukashii @ Nov 16 2023, 10:42 AM)
Something wrong with that bangla.. actually I think in our country, bangla also become demanding already.

Or maybe he don't have bangla friends who can explain our wages system. (min salary).
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That bangla work 9 months adi he said. Bangla wont know anything minimum wage. and employer can take advantage. if authority come then can say deduct rm100 for accommodation or foods. They start work 5am. They like bangla over local because bangla more cincai, can work long hour without OT.
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my old place use to pay cash to illegal workers using money gotten from selling scarp metal, means their salary every month not fixed, can drag up to weeks for salary, sometimes suddenly every other week got payment.....

i believe this is to excape paying taxes, EPF and such......

but office staff black and white, maybe bcoz we will complain to labour dept. chinaman boss btw....

lucky i join SG company, a bit more standard......
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QUOTE(acbc @ Nov 16 2023, 10:54 AM)
I paid cash to my workers for almost 10 years without problems. Now only say illegal?

At the same time, I also paid SOCSO and EPF plus LHDN for the workers. Cash only payable after deductions.
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From a quick google... It seems that the employment act was amended in 2012.

All salaries through bank account now.

Previously, it was the opposite, salaries must be in legal tender ie cash. If through bank account, hr must hand out an approval form for the staff to sign. As previously in ancient times, where got atm everywhere so convenient like nowadays.

Plantation workers and those working in rural places having to take one day no pay leave to go to town and to the bank to withdraw money. smile.gif

So different nowadays with ewallet and debit card.

In your situation, you must get your workers to sign an approval form.

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