minizian
6) This may sound silly but my research suggest to me that bikes price varies between dealership? and availability is depending if one is paying full cash vs someone taking loan (I am more keen on cash payment). Sorry for such Q since I am coming from car world where prices are more or less fixed as per RRP.
- just don't take a loan with high interest rates

This post has been edited by alexei: Nov 17 2023, 03:21 PM

Seems like they have my size, need to go shop and try since my build is a little bit unique (short body long leg type)
Planning bring my jacket along just to see if both match along?

Got it approx 700 bucks, the liner was fraying a little bit.
The upper part seems to have decent amount of support i think, although I dont want to test it by crushing a heavy bike on top.


Yup, I plan to do cash purchase, but i notice the shop will ask you if you are going buy cash or loan. Some prior reading tells me shop prefer one to take loan cos more profitable.
Also, while browsing certain sales folks try to upsell me (approching 1litre) telling me it is okay for L lesen rider to ride

Currently looking in those over the net to see if there anything I would need to watch out when buying used Z650 or D400.
Seem like other bike in class was MT-07 and in particular which i am keen on SV650 since long running production it is still a barebone bike (no electronic aids or fancy stuff) apart from ABS that seems like a bike that I can grow with

If you dont mind sharing how much do your get for your D400? I checked mudah seems like running around 9K to 10K. Feeling like this would be a good starter bike to go around apart from heavy bike.

This post has been edited by minizian: Nov 17 2023, 05:01 PM

I got my late 2019 D400 with 3000km by the first owner for 8500 2.5y ago. It was a buy it or loose it deal so I snapped it up. You should be able to find a v1 for around 5.5 to 6k now. Prices haven't dropped much since...so I lucked out.

I will be writing up my 60k long term review in a week or so, so you can check it out at the Dominar pulsar thread here. I will send you a link when it's up. I personally feel the v1 is better than the V2/UG. The v1 has a more punchy midrange and vibrates less relatively than the newer UG, other upgrades not withstanding. Seems more reliable as well.

The z650 seems pretty trouble free. So used ones are a good buy. There's more of them so used prices are more depressed compared to other bikes in its category.

The sv650 is also a good bike. Easy to ride. however they are quite rare so used prices tend to hold. And as the z650, tend to be pretty reliable but with less parts and accessories compared to the more popular z.

Don't get a too powerful bike first time out no matter what people say. If the bike scares you too much, it will impede your learning experience. If and when you outgrow the bike, you can always upgrade later once you get an idea what you are looking for in a bike. Any 800cc let alone a litre bike naked nowadays has more than enough power than you would need.

As for buying in cash, I buy my cars and bike in cash. I just try to make an offer to the shop. Take it or leave it. Obviously this won't work for a popular bike, but a works very well for a "cold" bike (or a secondhand car). Cash is still king. The stories you hear are usually for smaller bikes, especially popular kapchais where shops maximize profits with the loan commission.

Cheers for the feedback look forward to read your write up.

I have glance tru dominar thread earlier but would relook at again since i roughly know what I wanted.

so far what I saw in mudah was around 9-10K, not sure if can find 5.5k to 6k deal or not, if so also I assumed it would be quickly snapped up.

What you mentioned about V1 is true as one of shop selling used unit (5k km but costing RM9k plus) was sharing the same sentiment as you.

Thanks for the feedback, need to continue survey around in Mudah or in person at shop. Too bad suzuki dont have 400CC range of bikes, saw the gixxer 250 in person had this in KIV as the price of the bike was within my budget.

this is a fact for sure

quote=minizian,Nov 15 2023, 12:02 AM


Hodaka Motoworld
LSH Racing world
Mecinda racing Pertama Complex
Singapore Regina specialties / Lim Ah Boy

not necessary, however recommended


not much different riding requirement or ergonomics from clutch equipped kapchai vs a bigger 150cc sport bike.
either will work in learning how to ride.
Thinking 250cc bikes are heavy won't matter after you gotten your b full and getting your own proper big bike. either way you'll need to deal with the weight before and after the license.


no, the bike can fall on you and you'll still be alive.


there was one that i was looking forward to, will pm you separately.
need to dig back old messages

ya, in fact i personally deemed it a requirement to all my gloves.