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post Nov 2 2023, 08:45 AM, updated 3y ago

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post Nov 2 2023, 08:47 AM

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For sure less than 2 pages. Most of /k pro israel and anti islam.
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QUOTE(Halibut @ Nov 2 2023, 08:47 AM)
For sure less than 2 pages. Most of /k pro israel and anti islam.
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They'd say it is self defense
Fake news

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post Nov 2 2023, 08:56 AM

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I thought it’s not religious war but here all kafir mengkafir!
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post Nov 2 2023, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(Halibut @ Nov 2 2023, 08:47 AM)
For sure less than 2 pages. Most of /k pro israel and anti islam.
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Agreed. They are ignorance people that will ignore fact and trust in wiki content or jew news only.
Also like to hide behind keyboard.
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QUOTE(Halibut @ Nov 2 2023, 08:47 AM)
For sure less than 2 pages. Most of /k pro israel and anti islam.
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I think better don simply say others anti islam if they not supporting Palestine.

For many years i also thought those in middle east are terrorist.

Because when i was young I couldn’t understand why suicide bomber etc..

Now getting old and understand how “international media” works,
Then only I understand i was brainwashed, and lots of people are brainwashed because english media work in a group and know exactly how to manipulate.


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post Nov 2 2023, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(Halibut @ Nov 2 2023, 08:47 AM)
For sure less than 2 pages. Most of /k pro israel and anti islam.
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Low IQ and EQ people. Nothing much you can do to improve their thinking skills laugh.gif
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post Nov 2 2023, 09:00 AM

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Casualties on both sides...

Either to continue current conflict or really seek a permanent solution e.g. 2 states solution?

This will be almost never ending if everyone insist on fighting for their own agenda only.
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QUOTE(Halibut @ Nov 2 2023, 08:47 AM)
For sure less than 2 pages. Most of /k pro israel and anti islam.
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Look in the mirror why u don't see anti-(other belief)...... really.
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post Nov 2 2023, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Nov 2 2023, 08:56 AM)
I thought it’s not religious war but here all kafir mengkafir!
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Kafir is the term of non muslim. It is not a symbol of mock or what.
But most of /k nons call muslim terrorist or animal..
Try search the post replied by the said vanpanel and kaya butt toast an u can verify it.
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QUOTE(asdasd @ Nov 2 2023, 08:52 AM)
zionist ass kissers wont acknowledge this. the hate is strong with the KAFIR in Malaysia.
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Russia special operation in Ukraine didn't see as much reaction from BolehLand.

Who are we kidding that majority Msians have selective empathy, stop being self denial hypocrites on high horse wink.gif
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post Nov 2 2023, 09:07 AM

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Don't know if consider genocide. But sure a lot of innocent people die.

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post Nov 2 2023, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Nov 2 2023, 08:50 AM)
They'd say it is self defense
Fake news
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It's collateral damage. No matter yiu liked it anot

Its sad, yes. But nothing can be done unless hamas put down arms, without condition and release all hostages.

Else the massacre will juz go on. Its israel u knoe.

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QUOTE(mokogero87 @ Nov 2 2023, 09:03 AM)
Kafir is the term of non muslim. It is not a symbol of mock or what.
But most of /k nons call muslim terrorist or animal..
Try search the post replied by the said vanpanel and kaya butt toast an u can verify it.
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Planned attack on civilian concert goers........... not terrorism.... hmm.gif
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post Nov 2 2023, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(mokogero87 @ Nov 2 2023, 09:03 AM)
Kafir is the term of non muslim. It is not a symbol of mock or what.
But most of /k nons call muslim terrorist or animal..
Try search the post replied by the said vanpanel and kaya butt toast an u can verify it.
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So what's wrong /K/ kafirs called Muslims terrorist and animals if /K/ mods allow it ? hmm.gif
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post Nov 2 2023, 09:12 AM

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That's horrible

Fuck Zionist
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QUOTE(bengang15 @ Nov 2 2023, 09:07 AM)
Don't know if consider genocide. But sure a lot of innocent people die.
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Many outsiders keep cheering Palestinians to keep fighting for their land...... what to expect but continuous new deaths?

Either they settle with a 2 states solution or just keep letting the death figures keep rising. Most are being emotional shit stirrer instead of seeking real solution.
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Israel has always been the attack dog in the middle-east of and for the American terrorists. This will not change.
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QUOTE(asdasd @ Nov 2 2023, 08:52 AM)
zionist ass kissers wont acknowledge this. the hate is strong with the KAFIR in Malaysia.
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i'm a buddhist and i am saddened with this news and i condemn yahudeee
i hope china intervene and rescue Palestine ppl... they should set up military base and assistance
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QUOTE(mokogero87 @ Nov 2 2023, 09:03 AM)
Kafir is the term of non muslim. It is not a symbol of mock or what.
But most of /k nons call muslim terrorist or animal..
Try search the post replied by the said vanpanel and kaya butt toast an u can verify it.
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You cannot deny that the word carry strong negative connotation to non-muslim. Buddhism and Christianity has no such equivalent term within the actual teaching. Being labelled feel nice?

Most /k dont call ALL muslims terrorist. Just those who carry out the attack.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 2 2023, 09:08 AM)
Planned attack on civilian concert goers........... not terrorism.... hmm.gif
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Big terrorists with jets and tanks Vs small terrorists with paraglider

Both terrorists, happy?
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QUOTE(mokogero87 @ Nov 2 2023, 09:03 AM)
Kafir is the term of non muslim. It is not a symbol of mock or what.
But most of /k nons call muslim terrorist or animal..
Try search the post replied by the said vanpanel and kaya butt toast an u can verify it.
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Does the term come with any other association or T&C?

If not mistaken back in the old days, this group is required to pay special tax or be exiled or even worse.... hmm.gif
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post Nov 2 2023, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(mokogero87 @ Nov 2 2023, 09:03 AM)
Kafir is the term of non muslim. It is not a symbol of mock or what.
But most of /k nons call muslim terrorist or animal..
Try search the post replied by the said vanpanel and kaya butt toast an u can verify it.
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Unfortunately, it's used to mock non-muslims... Similar with the word infidel....
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QUOTE(Halibut @ Nov 2 2023, 08:47 AM)
For sure less than 2 pages. Most of /k pro israel and anti islam.
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Anti-Islam is a heavy word. If you going to label all people who disagree on the tenets of Islam as anti-islam, another 6 billions people are basically anti-Islam too.
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post Nov 2 2023, 09:21 AM

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Why they call Kampung Baru as refugee camp?

It's not like they cannot go to other place in Gaza

They can even go Israel to work

I think Palestine always talk cock
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Nov 2 2023, 09:17 AM)
Big terrorists with jets and tanks Vs small terrorists with paraglider

Both terrorists, happy?
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Terrorist aim their gun directly on concert goers and pulled the trigger..... how to even find excuses for that?

Bombing still got vague excuses that they were aiming at enemy fighters, not fully acceptable explanation but it's still way better than saying massacring concert goers is not terrorism. hmm.gif

I don't support IDF but I definitely condemn HAMAS terrorist for the obvious atrocity done.
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palestinian and hamas wanted this war. go go israel

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nothing unusual

its the fuck around more and find out more situation

has been going on for years and years nothing changes

the crying adults n dead children pic and video has been shown for so many years until has been desensitized to it

come to a point you will realise if they really want peace and care about the children

why they keep doing stupid shit and dont want to sit down and talk peace

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QUOTE(damonlbs @ Nov 2 2023, 09:24 AM)
nothing unusual

its the fuck around more and find out more situation

has been going on for years and years nothing changes

the crying adults n dead children pic and video has been shown for so many years until has been desensitized to it
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Everyone being emotional and keep fanning the conflict, instead of seeking real solution.
Doing same shit and expect different outcome?

Both Israelis and Palestinians are not going away, either they keep killing each others or they come to an agreement of 2 states solution. Any other way the deaths will just keep pilling up while syok sendiri outsiders keep fanning the flame and munch popcorns.
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There is no doubt that Israel is the evil murderer here!

However, it was HAMAS who pulled the trigger...

And then, innocent Palestinians suffer from Hamas' calculated actions to stay relevant and to continue to be "in power".
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QUOTE(Avex @ Nov 2 2023, 09:22 AM)
palestinian and hamas wanted this war.
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both sides want war.

The Israeli leader who signed the peace treaty with Arafat was assassinated by Israeli extremists. Arafat was poisoned by polonium.

Then you have the weekly/monthly incitement events by either side. Lately we have Oct 7 by Hamas, which was built up by Netanyahu, who in turn was shored up with support caused by Hamas activities, which in turn ....

The only ones who truly want peace is the rest of the world, who is fed up with 70+ years of this. It started before I was born and will probably continue long after I pass.

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QUOTE(Avex @ Nov 2 2023, 09:22 AM)
palestinian and hamas wanted this war. go go israel
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Pretty sure also got outsiders whether from the West or ME keep fanning the flame instead of helping to put out the fire. innocent.gif
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Hamas famous defence,.. hide behind human shield,..
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we need another solidarity week with hamas, and more boycott against mcd

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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 2 2023, 09:30 AM)
Pretty sure also got outsiders whether from the West or ME keep fanning the flame instead of helping to put out the fire.  innocent.gif
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Donno about this.

Many, many US presidents have tried to resolve or calm things down.

The Arab countries were the ones who pushed Arafat to the negotiation table.

And most importantly, there is nothing to be gained by the rest of the world. Think noisy neighbours.

Everyone else is just tired and fed up.
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QUOTE(loserguy @ Nov 2 2023, 09:35 AM)
Donno about this.

Many, many US presidents have tried to resolve or calm things down.

The Arab countries were the ones who pushed Arafat to the negotiation table.

And most importantly, there is nothing to be gained by the rest of the world. Think noisy neighbours.

Everyone else is just tired and fed up.
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Iran would say otherwise.
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QUOTE(Halibut @ Nov 2 2023, 08:47 AM)
For sure less than 2 pages. Most of /k pro israel and anti islam.
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27 minutes to prove you know nothing about /k
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If Hamas didn't fire the first rocket into Israel, none of this would have happened.

We all still arguing USD fly to the moon.
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QUOTE(The Retailer @ Nov 2 2023, 08:56 AM)
I think better don simply say others anti islam if they not supporting Palestine.

For many years i also thought those in middle east are terrorist.

Because when i was young I couldn’t understand why suicide bomber etc..

Now getting old and understand how “international media” works,
Then only I understand i was brainwashed, and lots of people are brainwashed because english media work in a group and know exactly how to manipulate.
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islamophobia, russophobia, sinophobia

apa lagi they mau?
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QUOTE(Buffalo Soldier @ Nov 2 2023, 09:37 AM)
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These won't be first nor last if ppl keep cheering the conflict instead of pressuring both Israel and Palestine to sign peace treaty as 2 independent nations.

Murica keep funding Israel, some ME country funding the terrorist, while the rest keep donating to Palestine, seem like helping but is actually prolonging the conflict or even adding oil to the fire.
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QUOTE(Blackscreamerz @ Nov 2 2023, 09:19 AM)
Anti-Islam is a heavy word. If you going to label all people who disagree on the tenets of Islam as anti-islam, another 6 billions people are basically anti-Islam too.
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The lack of reading comprehension. He's only mentioning ktards
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 2 2023, 09:12 AM)
Many outsiders keep cheering Palestinians to keep fighting for their land...... what to expect but continuous new deaths?

Either they settle with a 2 states solution or just keep letting the death figures keep rising. Most are being emotional shit stirrer instead of seeking real solution.
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Even Biden warn Netanyahu two states is a must after this war, status quo of 1.5 state cannot remain

Two states means no blockade, and freedom to access resources to Palestinian
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 2 2023, 09:08 AM)
Planned attack on civilian concert goers........... not terrorism.... hmm.gif
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With high tech precision bomb, airplane, tank but choose to carpet bomb highly populated area in accidental? This is collateral damage?

I read comment about being face to face war, not cowardice action like Hamas. Then Israel should have not bombarding but direct go to land battle lo since they have all the tank which Hamas does not have. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Nov 2 2023, 09:43 AM)
Even Biden warn Netanyahu two states is a must after this war, status quo of 1.5 state cannot remain

Two states means no blockade, and freedom to access resources to Palestinian
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If Biden is serious, the Murica would stop funding IDF.

Whole world stop funding either side, then we see how long they wanna keep on with their conflict.

Short pain vs never ending pain
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QUOTE(uk9089 @ Nov 2 2023, 09:37 AM)
If Hamas didn't fire the first rocket into Israel, none of this would have happened.

We all still arguing USD fly to the moon.
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Hahaha like a rapist says if you din stop him from raping your wife he would not punch you.

TS this is me 5 years ago. Only informed about hamas attack, but know nothing about 4 times “military movements” in gaza and west bank prior the attack, and know nothing about how Palestinians live like prisoners etc
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QUOTE(Zot @ Nov 2 2023, 09:47 AM)
With high tech precision bomb, airplane, tank but choose to carpet bomb highly populated area in accidental? This is collateral damage?

I read comment about being face to face war, not cowardice action like Hamas. Then Israel should have not bombarding but direct go to land battle lo since they have all the tank which Hamas does not have.  smile.gif
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IDF already started land operation.

Anyway, the least you guys can do is at least acknowledge HAMAS did perform obvious no grey area terrorism. By always shifting away from this obvious point, it doesn't help you gain any new sympathiser.
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Who kept vetoed the cease fire temp solution?
Israel really dont want this genocide of Palestinians to end..
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 2 2023, 09:50 AM)
IDF already started land operation.

Anyway, the least you guys can do is at least acknowledge HAMAS did perform obvious no grey area terrorism. By always shifting away from this obvious point, it doesn't help you gain any new sympathiser.
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Well Israel have been raiding and shooting live bullet to Palestinians throwing stone is not a problem I guess to you. Israel has been terrorizing/chasing Palestinians beyond Israeli borders for decades. This recent "war" was triggered after many warnings given by Hamas being intense raiding Aqsa mosque during prayer times just too frequent.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 2 2023, 09:28 AM)
Everyone being emotional and keep fanning the conflict, instead of seeking real solution.
Doing same shit and expect different outcome?

Both Israelis and Palestinians are not going away, either they keep killing each others or they come to an agreement of 2 states solution. Any other way the deaths will just keep pilling up while syok sendiri outsiders keep fanning the flame and munch popcorns.
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That is the part Hams supporter cannot accept and still believe that Israel is going to get bombed to ash.

They call Israel action as genocide but never felt that it is genocide if the opposite happens.

They said it is terrorism when Israel kills Palestinians but called it justified when Hamas storm and kills concert goers.
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QUOTE(uk9089 @ Nov 2 2023, 09:37 AM)
If Hamas didn't fire the first rocket into Israel, none of this would have happened.

We all still arguing USD fly to the moon.
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You need to ask and find out why Hamas is firing rocket recently. What triggered the action?
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QUOTE(Zot @ Nov 2 2023, 09:57 AM)
Well Israel have been raiding and shooting live bullet to Palestinians throwing stone is not a problem I guess to you. Israel has been terrorizing/chasing Palestinians beyond Israeli borders for decades. This recent "war" was triggered after many warnings given by Hamas being intense raiding Aqsa mosque during prayer times just too frequent.
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....and ppl keep cheering/funding for either side will put an end to the conflict?

Keep doing the same shit and expect different outcome....... then everyday post pic/video of deaths on either side to keep feeling good about their supported side. thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(Zot @ Nov 2 2023, 09:57 AM)
Well Israel have been raiding and shooting live bullet to Palestinians throwing stone is not a problem I guess to you. Israel has been terrorizing/chasing Palestinians beyond Israeli borders for decades. This recent "war" was triggered after many warnings given by Hamas being intense raiding Aqsa mosque during prayer times just too frequent.
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Is it their fault when the troublemakers first response is always to hide in mosque, hospital, school and all the mosques are so willingly shelter and protect them?

Maybe they should do some self reflect and ask why the troublemakers always like to hide in mosque.
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QUOTE(Zot @ Nov 2 2023, 09:59 AM)
You need to ask and find out why Hamas is firing rocket recently. What triggered the action?
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And you need to ask why Hamas keeps car bomb and firing thousands of rockets every year into Israel causing Israel to retaliate.
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QUOTE(Zot @ Nov 2 2023, 09:59 AM)
You need to ask and find out why Hamas is firing rocket recently. What triggered the action?
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I gip you reverse chronological order.


Hamas did this because Israel did that.
Israel did that because Hamas did that.
Hamas did that because Israel did that.
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boring la, but wat to do Rabin and Arafat already sign say don't do shit.
kam we make Hamas.
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PLO and Israel sign peace treaty.
We won't do that anymore.
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PLO did that because Israel did that.
Israel did that because PLO did that.
PLO did that because Israel did that.
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All the way back to 1948.
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Small rich Arab country that can't send military help directly, they help through soft power like this, lobbying media and politician, hire PR company to go against the Zionist lobbying gang in US and UK. Behind the curtain lobbying war.
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QUOTE(bengang15 @ Nov 2 2023, 09:07 AM)
Don't know if consider genocide. But sure a lot of innocent people die.
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QUOTE(arcadicus @ Nov 2 2023, 09:56 AM)
Who kept vetoed the cease fire temp solution?
Israel really dont want this genocide of Palestinians to end..
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The conflict is never ending because both sides get continuous funding from outsiders who are shit stirrer. Without outside funding, how long can both side continues?

IDF iron dome requires huge funding to keep operating, HAMAS also require funding to afford their rockets. Outsiders are the culprit for the prolong conflict....
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 2 2023, 09:21 AM)
Terrorist aim their gun directly on concert goers and pulled the trigger..... how to even find excuses for that?

Bombing still got vague excuses that they were aiming at enemy fighters, not fully acceptable explanation but it's still way better than saying massacring concert goers is not terrorism. hmm.gif

I don't support IDF but I definitely condemn HAMAS terrorist for the obvious atrocity done.
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But but but our lahad Datu case ATM didn't level done the village to kill those Suluk invaders.

That's what separates us from true terrorists
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I thought it’s not religious war but here all kafir mengkafir!
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Is it their fault when the troublemakers first response is always to hide in mosque, hospital, school and all the mosques are so willingly shelter and protect them?

Maybe they should do some self reflect and ask why the troublemakers always like to hide in mosque.
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Self reflection goes both ways.

A thought experiment.... IF hamas was hiding there... With the numbers of mosques, refugee camps, churches, schools, hospitals, bakeries that have been bombed by IDF these past 20 years plus.

1. Would have not the number of HAMAS goes down or completely obliterated?

2. Would have not the healthcare, education, and refugee workers point them out, document them (picture / video), or report it in some ways?

3. Would have not the healthcare, education, and refugee workers push them out?

4. Would have not all the shelling and bombing show some sign of hamas there?
















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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 2 2023, 10:11 AM)
The conflict is never ending because both sides get continuous funding from outsiders who are shit stirrer. Without outside funding, how long can both side continues?

IDF iron dome requires huge funding to keep operating, HAMAS also require funding to afford their rockets. Outsiders are the culprit for the prolong conflict....
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that is how it works, without the funding, one side will fall at any moment.

you say: so what, let them fall la!

US: ok, you stop funding first brows.gif

Mysterious Hamas supporters: no, no, you first rclxs0.gif
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 2 2023, 09:42 AM)
These won't be first nor last if ppl keep cheering the conflict instead of pressuring both Israel and Palestine to sign peace treaty as 2 independent nations.

Murica keep funding Israel, some ME country funding the terrorist, while the rest keep donating to Palestine, seem like helping but is actually prolonging the conflict or even adding oil to the fire.
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This wouldn't have happened if Arabs signed the Partition Plan which was revised 5 times. But Arabs refused to sign it.

Why? Because the Arabs wanna genocide the jews. Look at Hezbollah. It's sole existence is to hunt down all the jews.

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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Nov 2 2023, 10:11 AM)
But but but our lahad Datu case ATM didn't level done the village to kill those Suluk invaders.

That's what separates us from true terrorists
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Totally different conflict and scenario.

What I would say is, both supporters from either sides are actually prolonging the conflict instead of stopping it. Both camps can easily find atrocity of the other side to keep justifying their support, and that in return keep fuelling the conflict for decades to come.

The irony when ppl keep feeling good about supporting the victim but indirectly keep feeding into the conflict they claimed to despise.
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Don't stay there. Move to south, where got food, aid and medicine.
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I thought it’s not religious war but here all kafir mengkafir!
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Thanks for pointing that dude out.
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For sure less than 2 pages. Most of /k pro israel and anti islam.
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The lack of reading comprehension. He's only mentioning ktards
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1) He said most /k is anti-Islam.

2) Most /k not necessary anti. Just disagree on the teaching.

3) If disagree is considered anti, basically anyone who doesnt subscribe to Islam also should considered disagree due to not following the teaching, then it is equal to the other 6B non-Muslim.

Clear, my friend?

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i wonder how the Thai parents reacted to the mass kidnapping

sure drama like hell
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PuAS supporkters to ignore the fact that it is their terrorist act led to retaliation
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QUOTE(delon85 @ Nov 2 2023, 10:18 AM)
This wouldn't have happened if Arabs signed the Partition Plan which was revised 5 times. But Arabs refused to sign it.

Why? Because the Arabs wanna genocide the jews. Look at Hezbollah. It's sole existence is to hunt down all the jews.
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the hatred is strong on both sides, but supporters on both sides want to argue who has higher moral high ground.....end of the day, nothing was solved, just keep prolonging the never ending cycle of deaths and hatred whistling.gif
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QUOTE(loserguy @ Nov 2 2023, 10:17 AM)
that is how it works, without the funding, one side will fall at any moment.

you say: so what, let them fall la!

US: ok, you stop funding first brows.gif

Mysterious Hamas supporters: no, no, you first  rclxs0.gif
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but but but the water pipes look like genuine funding to supply clean water

the mind twist it into a wmd
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it can be written this way too

QUOTE(Nihonmaru @ Nov 2 2023, 10:19 AM)
Palestine terrorist freedom act led to Israel retaliationaggression
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really biting the hand that feeds you
hamas say they are not responsible to jaga palestinians
israel and un is
but palestinians dont wanna behave and listen to un/israel
go support terror group
cycle of violence continue
then say israel jahat
ownself suffer
ini logic banyak bagus

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QUOTE(The Retailer @ Nov 2 2023, 08:56 AM)
I think better don simply say others anti islam if they not supporting Palestine.

For many years i also thought those in middle east are terrorist.

Because when i was young I couldn’t understand why suicide bomber etc..

Now getting old and understand how “international media” works,
Then only I understand i was brainwashed, and lots of people are brainwashed because english media work in a group and know exactly how to manipulate.
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same as how the western potray the russian. their city and citizen are quite nice actually. not growly blat zlat speaking sound like in the movies.
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QUOTE(h@ksam @ Nov 2 2023, 10:24 AM)
but but but the water pipes look like genuine funding to supply  clean water

the mind twist it into a wmd
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Don't stay there. Move to south, where got food, aid and medicine.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 2 2023, 10:01 AM)
....and ppl keep cheering/funding for either side will put an end to the conflict?

Keep doing the same shit and expect different outcome....... then everyday post pic/video of deaths on either side to keep feeling good about their supported side.  thumbsup.gif
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The situation in area will just let the Palestinian childrens to grow up to become terrorist as defined by the West unfortunately.
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as usual, talk woman and kid after killed orhers woman and kid.
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meh
this is normal for IDF standard for the past 70+ years
why world suddenly huha now?

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Nov 2 2023, 10:17 AM)
that is how it works, without the funding, one side will fall at any moment.

you say: so what, let them fall la!

US: ok, you stop funding first brows.gif

Mysterious Hamas supporters: no, no, you first  rclxs0.gif
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That's why BolehLand being an insignificant 3rd world country with regressing society and economy, should just mind our own business.

pipit can tokok on SOCMED but our leaders should just remain low profile with whatever stand on the never ending conflict, no need to pretend macho when we are just tiny insignificant nation on global stage.
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You need to ask and find out why Hamas is firing rocket recently. What triggered the action?
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Then one also need to ask what triggered the event that triggered the first rocket from Hamas.

And then what triggered the event that triggered the event that triggered the first rocket from Hamas.

And then...
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QUOTE(Zot @ Nov 2 2023, 10:36 AM)
The situation in area will just let the Palestinian childrens to grow up to become terrorist as defined by the West unfortunately.
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Both sides also keep the vicious never ending cycle.

On Palestine side, children will grow up wanna be "freedom fighter/terrorist"

On Israel side, children will grow up wanna be IDF to protect their mother country

Outsiders keep cheering and fuelling the conflict to last another few decades......

....and we ktards got additional topics to tokok
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 2 2023, 09:42 AM)
These won't be first nor last if ppl keep cheering the conflict instead of pressuring both Israel and Palestine to sign peace treaty as 2 independent nations.

Murica keep funding Israel, some ME country funding the terrorist, while the rest keep donating to Palestine, seem like helping but is actually prolonging the conflict or even adding oil to the fire.
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as far as i can educate myself
the arabs/Palestinian are the one walking away from peace


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as far as i can educate myself
the arabs/Palestinian are the one walking away from peace
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Pride. Just like China.

All land in Palestine region are theirs.

Thats why there is no peace. And no short-term to middle-term solution.
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as far as i can educate myself
the arabs/Palestinian are the one walking away from peace
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Yitzhak Rabin, the Israeli PM, who signed the Oslo Accords, was assassinated by an extremist Israeli. Netanyahu has been using Hamas as an excuse to not go back to the negotiation tables until now.
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ABC News: IDF confirms 2nd strike on Jabalia refugee camp in Gaza




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QUOTE(The Retailer @ Nov 2 2023, 08:56 AM)
I think better don simply say others anti islam if they not supporting Palestine.

For many years i also thought those in middle east are terrorist.

Because when i was young I couldn’t understand why suicide bomber etc..

Now getting old and understand how “international media” works,
Then only I understand i was brainwashed, and lots of people are brainwashed because english media work in a group and know exactly how to manipulate.
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i noticed 1 thing. there isn't any suicide boomer news in the last few years. maybe the scholar has corrected the teaching among the pejuang. or there are new tech like drones, missiles to attack.

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So much evidence and yet Muslim sky daddy is sitting idly by…… lol

Why Jewish sky daddy wins all the time?

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Nov 2 2023, 10:56 AM)
Yitzhak Rabin, the Israeli PM, who signed the Oslo Accords, was assassinated by an extremist Israeli. Netanyahu has been using Hamas as an excuse to not go back to the negotiation tables until now.
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mental gynastics is powerful
semua salah israel still

camp david summit(2000) itu apa?

Ehud Olmert offer itu apa?
"In September 2008, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert offered Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas a map, a proposal that would give the Palestinians 93.7 percent of the West Bank, with Israeli territory to make up 5.8 percent, and a corridor to Gaza from the West Bank for the other 0.5 percent. "
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/art...-and-media-bias

additional article in case you say fake or whatever
https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-admits-...er-from-olmert/

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If Hamas didn't fire the first rocket into Israel, none of this would have happened.

We all still arguing USD fly to the moon.
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Oh well... Just another day in ME... Hamas going full retard this time
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QUOTE(mayhammer @ Nov 2 2023, 11:09 AM)
mental gynastics is powerful
semua salah israel still

camp david summit(2000) itu apa?

Ehud Olmert offer itu apa?
"In September 2008, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert offered Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas a map, a proposal that would give the Palestinians 93.7 percent of the West Bank, with Israeli territory to make up 5.8 percent, and a corridor to Gaza from the West Bank for the other 0.5 percent. "
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/art...-and-media-bias
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It takes two hands to clap. Neither side is suci murni. Last I heard only rain or snow falls naturally from the skies.

The current war was precipitated by Hamas, not President Abbas. The Palestinian Authority has control over nearly half the West Bank. Gaza is under Hamas.

Sadly support is currently stronger for the more militant Hamas. Ironically

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-net...p-in-our-faces/

edit: source is from timesofisrael, not random anak jati israel quoted by random tik tok influencer

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Nov 2 2023, 11:28 AM)
It takes two hands to clap. Neither side is suci murni. Last I heard only rain or snow falls naturally from the skies.

The current war was precipitated by Hamas, not President Abbas. The Palestinian Authority has control over nearly half the West Bank. Gaza is under Hamas.

Sadly support is currently stronger for the more militant Hamas. Ironically

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-net...p-in-our-faces/

edit: source is from timesofisrael, not random anak jati israel quoted by random tik tok influencer
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point is, there is an offer
if one side always walk away from peace, then biarla, they get what they sow
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point is, there is an offer
if one side always walk away from peace, then biarla, they get what they sow
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Netanyahu has walked away many times.

A conspiracy theorist will say that bad things happen to Israeli Prime Ministers who work toward peace.
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QUOTE(mayhammer @ Nov 2 2023, 11:09 AM)
mental gynastics is powerful
semua salah israel still

camp david summit(2000) itu apa?

Ehud Olmert offer itu apa?
"In September 2008, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert offered Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas a map, a proposal that would give the Palestinians 93.7 percent of the West Bank, with Israeli territory to make up 5.8 percent, and a corridor to Gaza from the West Bank for the other 0.5 percent. "
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/art...-and-media-bias

additional article in case you say fake or whatever
https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-admits-...er-from-olmert/
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True, I agree. From the readings it looks like there were forces working behind both of them to deny/sabotage the proposal.

From Olmert POV -- https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-never-s...rmer-pm-olmert/

“Abbas never said no,” Olmert emphasized.

“Not only did he not say no — the whole rumor about him rejecting it flatly is untrue,” he continued. “At every possible occasion, from then on until today, President Abbas emphasizes and he relays to me as well… that he never ever said no to this plan.”

“What he actually said to me was this plan sounds very impressive, it sounds very serious… He was excited and very open-minded to the option of making this agreement. But he said, you know, I’m not an expert on maps. How can I sign something before I show it to the experts on our side to examine it?”



From Abbas POV -- https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-admits-...er-from-olmert/

Abbas said he supported the idea of territorial swaps, but that Olmert pressed him into agreeing to the plan without allowing him to study the proposed map.

“He showed me a map. He didn’t give me a map,” Abbas said. “He told me, ‘This is the map’ and took it away. I respected his point of view, but how can I sign on something that I didn’t receive?”

Olmert confirmed that he pressed Abbas to initial the offer that day.

Abbas said he also felt Olmert’s offer to accept a symbolic number of Palestinian refugees into Israel did not resolve the issue — because descendants of Palestinian refugees now number in the millions, many scattered across the region.

Abbas said negotiations continued, but broke down as Olmert’s legal problems worsened. Olmert has since been convicted on bribery and corruption charges and sentenced to more than six years in prison. He is currently free while he appeals.



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Ask Hamas to call truce and propose a win-win deal.
They started a war, then still want to claim victory ?
UN can mediate
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 2 2023, 09:12 AM)
Many outsiders keep cheering Palestinians to keep fighting for their land...... what to expect but continuous new deaths?

Either they settle with a 2 states solution or just keep letting the death figures keep rising. Most are being emotional shit stirrer instead of seeking real solution.
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Frankly no ending to this. I don't think the 2 state solution is on the table anymore.

Hamas was supposedly elected by the gazan. After this shit I don't think isreal in their right mind would want to nego at all.

At the end you blame me I blame you.

Generational war.

QUOTE(h@ksam @ Nov 2 2023, 10:09 AM)
i wonder how the Thai parents reacted to the mass kidnapping

sure drama like hell
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Malaysia been very quiet on this. As a good will yhey should at least release all foreigner as a token.

But I think hamas also lost track on the hostages. Lol


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The situation in area will just let the Palestinian childrens to grow up to become terrorist as defined by the West unfortunately.
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This is true...it will be a vicious cycle.
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QUOTE(bengang15 @ Nov 2 2023, 11:55 AM)
This is true...it will be a vicious cycle.
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TS about your tered title ...

I believe that war and violence is wrong.

just sayin'

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Yea very Cham very sad.U die I die every body die.
Freedom comes with a price. The best you could do is not strike first.

All the kids die on parents arm, but who vote them in?

Reap what u sow.

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QUOTE(Buffalo Soldier @ Nov 2 2023, 10:15 AM)
Self reflection goes both ways.

A thought experiment.... IF hamas was hiding there... With the numbers of mosques, refugee camps, churches, schools, hospitals, bakeries that have been bombed by IDF these past 20 years plus.

1. Would have not the number of HAMAS goes down or completely obliterated?

2. Would have not the healthcare, education, and refugee workers point them out, document them (picture / video), or report it in some ways?

3. Would have not the healthcare, education, and refugee workers push them out?

4. Would have not all the shelling and bombing show some sign of hamas there?

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First, by your logic US also should win the Vietnam War against the communists but that is not how it works. As long as there are people funding Hamas there will be people joining them.

2,3,4, UN is there to monitor actions by Israel against Palestine, not the other way around. You can see from their annual casualty report that they make almost no effort to verify casualty on Israel side while they have people on the ground on Gaza that classify getting tear gassed as injury.

Not to mention no one even reported how many car bombs and rockets being fired into Israel every year.

And there are always news that Hamas occupies buildings in Gaza and people don't even know about it.

Also, stop spamming your useless videos here, no one cares about the video.

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/15/gi...aza-media-tower
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Israeli military says Hamas hiding tunnels, operations centres in Gaza hospital

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/i...tal-2023-10-27/
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 2 2023, 10:22 AM)
the hatred is strong on both sides, but supporters on both sides want to argue who has higher moral high ground.....end of the day, nothing was solved, just keep prolonging the never ending cycle of deaths and hatred whistling.gif
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100 years from now, war still continues.

One side need to prop up their military industrial complex, the other side need to kill all juice.
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QUOTE(The Retailer @ Nov 2 2023, 08:56 AM)
I think better don simply say others anti islam if they not supporting Palestine.

For many years i also thought those in middle east are terrorist.

Because when i was young I couldn’t understand why suicide bomber etc..

Now getting old and understand how “international media” works,
Then only I understand i was brainwashed, and lots of people are brainwashed because english media work in a group and know exactly how to manipulate.
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Even senior commander Sanders cannot belip ulang ulang tanya soalan susah sampai IDF pipu fed up.
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QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Nov 2 2023, 12:44 PM)
Supporting zionist colonialism in Palestine is anti islam and antihuman.
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If you die die want to label others as anti islam,
Then you got to accept others label hamas as terrorist d..

Just my opinion, don drag everybody in and label them, you making more enemies this way.

Some group of people only read bbc cnn, they are most probably misinformed. Labelling them as antihuman anti islam will only make more enemies
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If you die die want to label others as anti islam,
Then you got to accept others label hamas as terrorist d..

Just my opinion, don drag everybody in and label them, you making more enemies this way.

Some group of people only read bbc cnn, they are most probably misinformed. Labelling them as antihuman anti islam will only make more enemies
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Okay my bad. I retract my statement and apologize.will edit the post

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QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Nov 2 2023, 02:07 PM)
Okay my bad. I retract my statement and apologize.will edit the post
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The indoctrination goes on all sides of this war...

The mindset


The indoctrication




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It broke my heart seeing the innocent kids hurts badly or die in this war...
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When Hamas militant attacked Israel, they said independent fighter. When Israel attacked Gaza, they said genocide. Who the hell of those guy simply talk nonsense assumption...

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So much evidence and yet Muslim sky daddy is sitting idly by…… lol

Why Jewish sky daddy wins all the time?
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If genocide, mana cluster bomb, mana all out artillery bombardment like Russia flatten Bakhmut. Not a single inhabitant left?
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QUOTE(The Retailer @ Nov 2 2023, 08:56 AM)
I think better don simply say others anti islam if they not supporting Palestine.

For many years i also thought those in middle east are terrorist.

Because when i was young I couldn’t understand why suicide bomber etc..

Now getting old and understand how “international media” works,
Then only I understand i was brainwashed, and lots of people are brainwashed because english media work in a group and know exactly how to manipulate.
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Same like me. I'm Chinese Buddhist, and used to think why the Middle East countries keep going to war with each other, suicide bombing and beheading ppl everywhere. Used to think the "civilized" people were the Americans and the other "white" countries.
Now as I read and dig more and more from the internet and the liberalized social media (like twitter), only I realize how the greed of the capitalist world can manifest in such evil and cruel acts on innocent people. Nothing was as I thought those 10-20 years ago. But you first have to be open to the alternate view, and to want to find out if you're being lied to all these while by the mass media controlled by these very capitalists.

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QUOTE(littlegamer @ Nov 2 2023, 12:23 PM)
Yea very Cham very sad.U die I die every body die.
Freedom comes with a price. The best you could do is not strike first.

All the kids die on parents arm, but who vote them in?

Reap what u sow.
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The election that Hamas won took place in 2006 - 17 YRS AGO ago. Most people in Gaza were either small children or not yet born in 2006.

In 2006, Hamas didn’t run on a “kill the Jews” platform. It ran as “The party of change & reform” on a platform boiling down to: the other guys are corrupt & for 15 yrs have achieved nothing—time to throw them out. For most voters, a vote for Hamas was a vote against Fatah.

Arguing that civilians are guilty because their government is guilty is literally the logic of terrorists, including those who have attacked the US.

Hamas *did not win a majority in the 2006 election* -- across the WB & Gaza it won a plurality w/ 44.45% of the vote. In Gaza, Hamas didn't win a majority of votes in any district.

More than 76% of Gazans alive today were either not born yet or too young to vote. Turnout was about 60%. 45% voted for Hamas. That means less than 7% of current Gazans actually voted for Hamas 17 yrs ago.

So please stop using this argument to allow the killing of innocent women and children.
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QUOTE(mroys@lyn @ Nov 2 2023, 10:25 AM)
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Beheading people = act for freedom ?

Really terrorist mindset
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Nov 2 2023, 03:03 PM)
The election that Hamas won took place in 2006 - 17 YRS AGO ago. Most people in Gaza were either small children or not yet born in 2006.

In 2006, Hamas didn’t run on a “kill the Jews” platform. It ran as “The party of change & reform” on a platform boiling down to: the other guys are corrupt & for 15 yrs have achieved nothing—time to throw them out. For most voters, a vote for Hamas was a vote against Fatah.

Arguing that civilians are guilty because their government is guilty is literally the logic of terrorists, including those who have attacked the US.

Hamas *did not win a majority in the 2006 election* -- across the WB & Gaza it won a plurality w/ 44.45% of the vote. In Gaza, Hamas didn't win a majority of votes in any district.

More than 76% of Gazans alive today were either not born yet or too young to vote. Turnout was about 60%. 45% voted for Hamas. That means less than 7% of current Gazans actually voted for Hamas 17 yrs ago.

So please stop using this argument to allow the killing of innocent women and children.
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Keep telling yourself that.

Sometimes I wonder why is always sand ppl that is weak and is always a war torn country.
Always the same brotherhood.

Don't say ppl XXxphobia, that brotherhood really is not religion of peace.

Cry father cry mother, who right who wrong. So what if u are right, family die left right life left to ruins for vengeance they can't put down.

Always victim are them. Perhaps be smart abit don't start a war u can't win? Or perhaps make /create things benefit to humanity?

Always brotherhood spreading.

I don't say the west are good people. But u realize always brotherhood country get oppressed right? Why are they so good victim,im sure US oppress Japan, Germany after these 2 lost WW2. Why these country after losing it all still rise?

Brotherhood will always cry and cry orang oppress. Then we have idiots that boikot mcd to like it make a dent.

All I see is just funny ppl doing funny things and killing themselves along the way.

Name a modern contribution from brotherhood country? I guess nothing comes from there...
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But 1 innocent German-Israeli instagrammer died, got multiple threads in /k
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israel created hamas in early days to split palestinian just like america create saddam to split arabs
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QUOTE(littlegamer @ Nov 2 2023, 11:40 PM)
Keep telling yourself that.

Sometimes I wonder why is always sand ppl that is weak and is always a war torn country.
Always the same brotherhood.

Don't say ppl XXxphobia, that brotherhood really is not religion of peace.

Cry father cry mother, who right who wrong. So what if u are right, family die left right life left to ruins for vengeance they can't put down.

Always victim are them. Perhaps be smart abit don't start a war u can't win? Or perhaps make /create things benefit to  humanity?

Always brotherhood spreading.

I don't say the west are good people. But u realize always brotherhood country get oppressed right? Why are they so good victim,im sure US oppress Japan, Germany after these 2 lost WW2. Why these country after losing it all still rise?

Brotherhood will always cry and cry orang oppress. Then we have idiots that boikot mcd to like it make a dent.

All I see is just funny ppl doing funny things and killing themselves along the way.

Name a modern contribution from brotherhood country? I guess nothing comes from there...
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Bro, you sound anti-muslim with what you are saying about "not religion of peace", which is understandable as I also used to think somewhat like you last time, as I've already mentioned.

But its not just the brotherhood who gets oppressed by big brother, but its the most public one, cos they can sell it as Forces of Good (Christianity) vs Evil (Islam). Big brother also couped many South American countries, for dumb things like minerals, bananas (United Fruit Company in Colombia) and basically weakening their neighbors so that they never rise to challenge Big Bro. Big Bro will leave you alone if you are not on their boarders, and agree to be their lapdogs (Germany, Japan, South Korea, Philippines etc) to further their goal to be the global Hegemon.

They caused a lot of innocents to die. Just some examples from Wiki:
In Argentina, military forces overthrew the democratically elected President Isabel Perón in the 1976 Argentine coup d'état, starting the military dictatorship of General Jorge Rafael Videla, known as the National Reorganization Process. The coup was accepted and tacitly supported by the Ford administration and the U.S. government had close relations with the ensuing authoritarian regime. The junta launched a "dirty war," a state terrorist operation against its opponents involving torture, extrajudicial killings, and systematic enforced disappearances, with most of the victims being civilians. Many cases where entire families went missing went unreported, and the military destroyed many of its records months before democracy was restored. Among the "disappeared" were pregnant women, who were kept alive until childbirth in primitive conditions in secret prisons. Infants were commonly adopted illegally by families of regime-affiliated military or political figures, and mothers were commonly murdered.

In Bolivia the US government supported the 1971 coup led by General Hugo Banzer that toppled President Juan José Torres of Bolivia. Torres had displeased Washington by convening an "Asamblea del Pueblo" (Assembly of the People), in which representatives of specific proletarian sectors of society were represented (miners, unionized teachers, students, peasants), and more generally by leading the country in what was perceived as a left wing direction. Banzer hatched a bloody military uprising starting on August 18, 1971, that succeeded in taking the reins of power by August 22, 1971. After Banzer took power, the US provided extensive military and other aid to the Banzer dictatorship.[10][11] Torres, who had fled Bolivia, was kidnapped and assassinated in 1976 as part of Operation Condor, the US-supported campaign of political repression and state terrorism by South American right-wing dictators

In Chille, after the democratic election of President Salvador Allende in 1970, an economic war ordered by President Richard Nixon,[19] among other things, caused the 1973 Chilean coup d'état with the involvement of the CIA[20] due to Allende's democratic socialist leanings. What followed was the decades-long US-backed military dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet.According to the Commission of Truth and Reconciliation (Rettig Commission) and the National Commission on Political Imprisonment and Torture (Valech Commission), the number of direct victims of human rights violations in Chile accounts for around 30,000 people: 27,255 tortured and 2,279 executed. Mandalorian and LAst of Us star, Pedro Pascal has previously recounted how his family nearly died under Pinochet's rule.

I'm stopping at "C" because the list is too long, but if you sincerely want to know who is causing all the pain, suffering, wars and deaths in this planet we're living in, for the past 60 years since WW2, you can go down the list right up to Zimbabwe under Robert Mugabe.

Going back to the middle east, which has never seen peace since forever, which you put down to them being Muslims....go read up on the Balfour Declaration" to know who stated this mess in Israel. Go read up how big brother supported the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, from which Osama came about to start Al-Qaeda, which then became ISIS after the toppling of Iraq (I wonder who toppled Iraq btw...in a war based totally on lies)......

Since the beginning of its inception till now, only 1 country has had hands in all the sh1t this world is seeing. And this country controls all our mass/social media throughout the years, successfully shaping us all to see them as saviors and all his enemies as dictators/mass-murderes/sub-humans.
Try to open your eyes...
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Bro, you sound anti-muslim with what you are saying about "not religion of peace", which is understandable as I also used to think somewhat like you last time, as I've already mentioned.

But its not just the brotherhood who gets oppressed by big brother, but its the most public one, cos they can sell it as Forces of Good (Christianity) vs Evil (Islam). Big brother also couped many South American countries, for dumb things like minerals, bananas (United Fruit Company in Colombia) and basically weakening their neighbors so that they never rise to challenge Big Bro. Big Bro will leave you alone if you are not on their boarders, and agree to be their lapdogs (Germany, Japan, South Korea, Philippines etc) to further their goal to be the global Hegemon.

They caused a lot of innocents to die. Just some examples from Wiki:
In Argentina, military forces overthrew the democratically elected President Isabel Perón in the 1976 Argentine coup d'état, starting the military dictatorship of General Jorge Rafael Videla, known as the National Reorganization Process. The coup was accepted and tacitly supported by the Ford administration and the U.S. government had close relations with the ensuing authoritarian regime. The junta launched a "dirty war," a state terrorist operation against its opponents involving torture, extrajudicial killings, and systematic enforced disappearances, with most of the victims being civilians. Many cases where entire families went missing went unreported, and the military destroyed many of its records months before democracy was restored. Among the "disappeared" were pregnant women, who were kept alive until childbirth in primitive conditions in secret prisons. Infants were commonly adopted illegally by families of regime-affiliated military or political figures, and mothers were commonly murdered.

In Bolivia the US government supported the 1971 coup led by General Hugo Banzer that toppled President Juan José Torres of Bolivia. Torres had displeased Washington by convening an "Asamblea del Pueblo" (Assembly of the People), in which representatives of specific proletarian sectors of society were represented (miners, unionized teachers, students, peasants), and more generally by leading the country in what was perceived as a left wing direction. Banzer hatched a bloody military uprising starting on August 18, 1971, that succeeded in taking the reins of power by August 22, 1971. After Banzer took power, the US provided extensive military and other aid to the Banzer dictatorship.[10][11] Torres, who had fled Bolivia, was kidnapped and assassinated in 1976 as part of Operation Condor, the US-supported campaign of political repression and state terrorism by South American right-wing dictators

In Chille, after the democratic election of President Salvador Allende in 1970, an economic war ordered by President Richard Nixon,[19] among other things, caused the 1973 Chilean coup d'état with the involvement of the CIA[20] due to Allende's democratic socialist leanings. What followed was the decades-long US-backed military dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet.According to the Commission of Truth and Reconciliation (Rettig Commission) and the National Commission on Political Imprisonment and Torture (Valech Commission), the number of direct victims of human rights violations in Chile accounts for around 30,000 people: 27,255 tortured and 2,279 executed. Mandalorian and LAst of Us star, Pedro Pascal has previously recounted how his family nearly died under Pinochet's rule.

I'm stopping at "C" because the list is too long, but if you sincerely want to know who is causing all the pain, suffering, wars and deaths in this planet we're living in, for the past 60 years since WW2, you can go down the list right up to Zimbabwe under Robert Mugabe.

Going back to the middle east, which has never seen peace since forever, which you put down to them being Muslims....go read up on the Balfour Declaration" to know who stated this mess in Israel. Go read up how big brother supported the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, from which Osama came about to start Al-Qaeda, which then became ISIS after the toppling of Iraq (I wonder who toppled Iraq btw...in a war based totally on lies)......

Since the beginning of its inception till now, only 1 country has had hands in all the sh1t this world is seeing. And this country controls all our mass/social media throughout the years, successfully shaping us all to see them as saviors and all his enemies as dictators/mass-murderes/sub-humans.
Try to open your eyes...
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Sorry I don't think u get the point.

The west isn't good people in any sense. They can manipulate all they want. Also this is not a secret, USA the meddle with country like Vietnam War, Korean war and other crazy war they have caused. I don't deny that.

But these sand people are giving them excuse for them to commit these inhumane act. Why go hijack 3 planes and hit their world trade Centre and the pentagon? I'm not saying the west go Iraq and cause a mess at their country is by any means right. And ofc US will say the invasion is for self defense to justify, but why even do such atrocious act to give those with power to invade them the 1st place?

Im sure Japan and Korea was in ruin after war. Can't those sand ppl learn to be like Germany Japan or Korea, rebuilt themselves, find other ways in peace and find a livelihood through improvement through self improvement? Build their economy, and start live a life with vengeance but not killing but by self enhancements. I'm sure the Japanese hated the US when they got 2 nuke. They fought back not by army but by advancement, and I dony deny, Japan is still a dog ally to US, but they are not in ruins, same goes to China, or even the Soviet.


I like the word jihad. Jihad means fight for religious reason (correct me if I'm wrong), if they have strong faith in a good way. They can rebuild, not to be war like creatures and only have killing in their mind.
Have u seen the video Palestinians taught them to hate Israel? Where kids say they ready to kill jews???

And ironically they got what they wish for isn't it.

Human likes to dominate weak, I hate to say but this is human nature, China was a poor country, thry are now the 2nd force, and they aren't very kind to a lot of countries aren't they (one belt road give loans to weak country then exploit them in the name of development)

My point is, if u know you are vulnerable and weak. Anger and vengeance with intention to hurt and kill won't get them far, in return the backlash they will get are far far greater in return.

They are stupid enough to blind by just pure vengeance (I'm not saying their hatred is not justifieable, I will be mad too if my family is killed).
They can continue to hate them, but fight differently. Fight to be better in other means, mourn the lost not by hoping to kill another more than they lost. Rmb the golden age of Islam, they need that.

Then I will be sympathetic to them.

Sadly, most sand ppl will never realize this and forever be that way. A victim since birth till death, fuel by powerless anger.

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Sorry I don't think u get the point.

The west isn't good people in any sense. They can manipulate all they want. Also this is not a secret, USA the meddle with country like Vietnam War, Korean war and other crazy war they have caused.  I don't deny that.

But these sand people are giving them excuse for them to commit these inhumane act. Why go hijack 3 planes and hit their world trade Centre and the pentagon? I'm not saying the west go Iraq and cause a mess at their country is by any means right. And ofc US will say the invasion is for self defense to justify, but why even do such atrocious act to give those with power to invade them the 1st place?

Im sure Japan and Korea was in ruin after war. Can't those sand ppl learn to be like Germany Japan or Korea, rebuilt themselves, find other ways in peace and find a livelihood through improvement through self improvement? Build their economy, and start live a life with vengeance but not killing but by self enhancements. I'm sure the Japanese hated the US when they got 2 nuke. They fought back not by army but by advancement, and I dony deny, Japan is still a dog ally to US, but they are not in ruins, same goes to China, or even the Soviet.
I like the word jihad. Jihad means fight for religious reason (correct me if I'm wrong), if they have strong faith in a good way. They can rebuild, not to be war like creatures and only have killing in their mind.
Have u seen the video Palestinians taught them to hate Israel? Where kids say they ready to kill jews???

And ironically they got what they wish for isn't it.

Human likes to dominate weak, I hate to say but this is human nature, China was a poor country, thry are now the 2nd force, and they aren't very kind to a lot of countries aren't they (one belt road give loans to weak country then exploit them in the name of development)

My point is, if u know you are vulnerable and weak. Anger and vengeance with intention to hurt and kill won't get them far, in return the backlash they will get are far far greater in return.

They are stupid enough to blind by just pure vengeance (I'm not saying their hatred is not justifieable, I will be mad too if my family is killed).
They can continue to hate them, but fight differently. Fight to be better in other means, mourn the lost not by hoping to kill another more than they lost. Rmb the golden age of Islam, they need that.

Then I will be sympathetic to them.

Sadly, most sand ppl will never realize this and forever be that way. A victim since birth till death, fuel by powerless anger.
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The only reason there can't be peace in the middle east is because of the constant meddling of UK/USA/EU there. You can't just sweep all the people there under 1 brush as "war loving sand people". They are not constantly plotting to kill non-believers while plotting to end democracy and freedom. They are are all normal folks just like us, wanting to live our lives peacefully with our families. Or at least they started out that way, until outsiders came to start killing their families.

Don't keep accepting what you read from CNN/BBC/Time are all true, since they have proven themselves to be liars over and over again, especially when trying to start a war for their own benefit (Nayirah testimony, Colin Powell's Anthrax vial, Gulf of Tonkin). If someone constantly lies when they want something, why would you so easily believe them again, even when they may be saying the truth? You have to start 2nd guessing, and dig deeper for the truth.

Libya, Syria and Iraq were modern and prosperous Islamic countries (hard to believe if you only read western media). Google "Bin Laden in Falun" to see what this "Mother of all terrorist" looked like in his youth, his father was a millionaire. He was an "Afghan hero" leading the fight against the evil Russian Communists. Why did he give it all up to crash planes into USA and then to hide inside caves and under rocks? Under Gaddafi, Libya changed from one of the poorest to the richest country in Africa, gave free electricity, education, medical treatments and government loans, gave every newlywed USD50k to buy their 1st home, subsidize 50% of car purchases, improved literacy rate from 25% to 83% and gives USD5k for every child born. But because he nationalized his country's oil, asked the African states to do so as well, and wanted to start trading the oil in a unified African gold-backed currency instead of the Fiat USD, the west turned him into the "evil female-bodyguard-raping dictator that genocides his own people". Then they went in and killed him, and Hillary Clinton just laughs, on videorecord, at this. Just stop and think that maybe everything you read about America's enemies might be untrue?

You compare them with Japan and Korea, those countries were decimated after WW2. They were totally neutered by USA (who had just demonstrated their nuclear capabilities on 2 civilian cities, ya). They had to pay Billions annually to have USA bases on their land to keep them in check. Yes they then got loans from IMF and advanced on their own accord, but if they advanced in trade and technology too much they had to give it up to America (Japan Plaza Accords). Japan even has to give up partial ownership of its own sea (Tsugaru Strait) so that America nuclear ships can pass. Give up Okinawa to be a permanent USA base as well.

What you're then saying is that if you know you're weak, don't go fight again someone stronger, like what the middle east countries did. So when only can sovereign countries have their own say in their own resources, policies and direction? Should every country just give in to the greed of the western globalists, at their own expense? If they though they could resist, should they not even try? America and sucked the resources from the world dry, while we sustain ourselves on whatever remnants the leave...you want that to continue? Even Malaysia was not spared in this, as we suffered the Asian Financial crisis where they played with out currency, the 2008 Housing Bubble of America's own doing, and now the current financial crisis due to America not being able to maintain their dollar hegemony.

Their next target is China of course, and its so obvious when you see the media narrative change 180 and ramping up esp since Donald Trump. They were happy enough to let China build their goods for cheap, letting China into the WTO in 2001, increasing the profits of the American companies with manufacturing in China. But China grew too fast and suddenly when China wants to build trade relations with other countries through BRI, suddenly the trade deficit is weaponized to launch sanctions....suddenly USA cares about Muslims in Xinjiang....suddenly Chinese good are spying tools...suddenly lending money to other countries are traps...and suddenly Taiwan is no longer a part of China. I'm sure you know that USA official position since 1979 is that "United States recognized the Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China, acknowledging the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China".
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 2 2023, 10:08 AM)
Planned attack on civilian concert goers........... not terrorism.... hmm.gif
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i blive nobody agrees that what hamas did is correct...
y do you linked hamas and civilian?

are u saying when u did something wrong at school, the teacher slap 9 u and he also need to go to your house and slap 9 your parents too?

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how do you justify bombing refugee camp is acceptable to u?

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For these people, not supporting Palestine means supporting Israel.

They cannot process that Palestinians did really bad things over the last 100 years to the Jews too. To them Palestinians are 100% victims, no matter what they do. They support because same puak. So when others don't support Palestinians, they project that as "anti-islam" because the support the evil things Palestinians do since they're also "islam".

That's why I always ragu-ragu when they're silent on daesh, Boko Haram, Abu Sayyaf, al-Qaeda, Hesbollah, and so on and so forth.
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What "these people" again? I know you're referring to Muslims in general, but this time what Israel is doing transcends racial or religious lines. They may be supporting Hamas, but the thousands of people protesting over in New York, London, Turkey etc.. are not supporting Hamas. They're asking Israel to stop killing women and children so wantonly. Even Orthodox Jews in Israel are protesting this genocide, and there are many videos showing them being assaulted by Isreali police for doing so. How can they not after seeing everything in the 1st post of this thread 1st hand.
Asking Israel to stop bombing refugees shelters with hundreds of women, children and babies, does not mean we hate Jews or want Israel destroyed.
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Yeah, you'd think as the victims of ACTUAL genocide, they'd to the same shit to the Palestinians, but mana concentration camp? Mana gas chambers?
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United Nations definition contained in Article II of the Convention describes genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part. By:

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

No where does it say you have to use concentration camps or gas Chambers. Its clear as day that Isreal is doing this because they want no Palestinians left in the land of Israel. They'll push them out to the desert, get other countries to take them in, or just kill them where they stand. Men, women, children, babies, the entire lot.
If that's not genocide, then nothing else ever can be called one.
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Gosh, really cannot stomach that…

heard many kids have to go thru surgery without anesthetic as they are totally out …this kinda pain is worst than death.. can one imagine that?

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United Nations definition contained in Article II of the Convention describes genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part. By:

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

No where does it say you have to use concentration camps or gas Chambers. Its clear as day that Isreal is doing this because they want no Palestinians left in the land of Israel. They'll push them out to the desert, get other countries to take them in, or just kill them where they stand. Men, women, children, babies, the entire lot.
If that's not genocide, then nothing else ever can be called one.
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you think la, if israel really want them dead, all die long time ago
why would israel give food,water,electricity, jobs etc
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Gosh, really cannot stomach that…

heard many kids have to go thru surgery without anesthetic as they are totally out …this kinda pain is worst than death.. can one imagine that?
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probably should stock more anesthetic and other medicine instead of making those rockets
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Ktard yg pro israel bayangkan dah 1 million israelis mati termasuklah 40 beheaded babies since Oct 7..maybe they can open another thread with more bukti I guess.

Thanks TS for sharing..its really heartbreaking T.T
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Yeah, first, tell Hamas to stop firing rockets from hospitals and schools then. Most Gazans support Hamas, and they don't even want peace. Palestinian teenagers and women are CONSTANTLY trying stab IDF soldiers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-34...li-soldier.html
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/8/pa...tabbing-israeli
https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-w...ot-dead-police/



Oh n0es, the p0or P@lEstInIAns... the iSrAELi f0RcEs sHoULd jUsT LeT tHeMsELveS gEt sTtAbBed!!! doh.gif
Yeah, and Israel is doing a real shitty job at that. laugh.gif
It was LITERALLY in the Hamas Charter to murder and eliminate Jews lah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter

The original, 1988 version of the charter emphasize four main themes:

Destroying Israel and establishing an Islamic theocracy in Palestine is essential;
Unrestrained jihad is necessary to achieve this;

Negotiated resolutions of Jewish and Palestinian claims to the land are unacceptable;
Historical anti-semitic tropes that reinforce the goals.

The Covenant proclaims that Israel will exist until Islam obliterates it, and jihad against Jews is required until Judgement Day. Compromise over the land is forbidden. The documents promote holy war as divinely ordained, reject political solutions, and call for instilling these views in children


Where's your outrage against Hamas? Come on, let's see that outrage! No outrage? Of course not, because you've been indoctrinated by the mainstream media, and you're just repeating nonsense without processing the world.
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Almost everyone protesting in the world now is NOT SUPPORTING HAMAS!

Don't keep equating "Stop Killing Palestinian Civilians, Ceasefire Now, Stop bombing homes/hospitals/mosques/churches" with "You're supporting Hamas/terrorism". Hamas was founded in 1987, and no one gave a damn about Palestinians for 75 years. Its only now that there is such an outcry, even by Jewish ppl in Israel. Israel rightly had everyone on their side immediately after the 7th Oct attacks, but the way their military have responded since, by repeatedly violating Geneva conventions, using phosphorous bombs designed to burn flesh, bombing hospitals, ambulances, journalists etc..
Good god even after seeing the videos from this thread, you still think this is a proportionate response to terrorists shooting rockets from hospitals and schools? 67% of the people they kill are bloody women and children!

Ya, Hamas is shitty, a terrorist organization. Go fight them with some measure of dignity ler, Israel's military is 20x mightier anyway.

Or do you mean because the orphaned teenagers and widowed women of Palestine also tried to throw stones and stab fully-armed IDF soldiers, that they also deserve all these being done on them now?
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Almost everyone protesting in the world now is NOT SUPPORTING HAMAS!

Don't keep equating "Stop Killing Palestinian Civilians, Ceasefire Now, Stop bombing homes/hospitals/mosques/churches" with "You're supporting Hamas/terrorism". Hamas was founded in 1987, and no one gave a damn about Palestinians for 75 years. Its only now that there is such an outcry, even by Jewish ppl in Israel. Israel rightly had everyone on their side immediately after the 7th Oct attacks, but the way their military have responded since, by repeatedly violating Geneva conventions, using phosphorous bombs designed to burn flesh, bombing hospitals, ambulances, journalists etc..
Good god even after seeing the videos from this thread, you still think this is a proportionate response to terrorists shooting rockets from hospitals and schools? 67% of the people they kill are bloody women and children!

Ya, Hamas is shitty, a terrorist organization. Go fight them with some measure of dignity ler, Israel's military is 20x mightier anyway.

Or do you mean because the orphaned teenagers and widowed women of Palestine also tried to throw stones and stab fully-armed IDF soldiers, that they also deserve all these being done on them now?
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what is proportional?
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Well for starters, stop using white phosphorous, stop bombing hospitals and ambulances, stop bombing UN designated shelters, stop bombing places where you asked civilians to evacuate to (south Gaza), stop bombing schools/mosques/churches/apartments where you know so many civilians are taking shelter. Don't use the excuse that Hamas is hiding here, there and everywhere. Hamas leaders are there in Qatar now, Israel can go assassinate them, it would be more meaningful/understandable than what they are doing now.
Then don't cut water and electricity to hospitals, knowing that so many are getting treatment there now because of Israel's genocide. Even the "evil" Russia only attacked Ukraine's power plants 8 months into the SMO, and even then it was a response to Ukraine's bombing of the civilian Kerch Bridge to Crimea.

These are all well known basic laws already specified in the Geneva Conventions and International Law (Under Convention on Conventional Weapons). Sometimes bad countries violate a one of these laws, to maybe gain a quick strategic advantage. But Israel is repeatedly and continuously violating nearly all of them right now, and continue to do so, while US and European politicians stay silent.

So in summary "what is proportional"? Israel can go allow civilian evacuations to the South (monitored by external inspectors) , go into Gaza with all their military might, shoot at enemies when they shoot at you (might kill some civilians), take some casualties, and don't violate International law. Its not perfect, but its hell of a lot more humane that what they're doing now.
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Well for starters, stop using white phosphorous, stop bombing hospitals and ambulances, stop bombing UN designated shelters, stop bombing places where you asked civilians to evacuate to (south Gaza), stop bombing schools/mosques/churches/apartments where you know so many civilians are taking shelter. Don't use the excuse that Hamas is hiding here, there and everywhere. Hamas leaders are there in Qatar now, Israel can go assassinate them, it would be more meaningful/understandable than what they are doing now.
Then don't cut water and electricity to hospitals, knowing that so many are getting treatment there now because of Israel's genocide. Even the "evil" Russia only attacked Ukraine's power plants 8 months into the SMO, and even then it was a response to Ukraine's bombing of the civilian Kerch Bridge to Crimea.

These are all well known basic laws already specified in the Geneva Conventions and International Law (Under Convention on Conventional Weapons). Sometimes bad countries violate a one of these laws, to maybe gain a quick strategic advantage. But Israel is repeatedly and continuously violating nearly all of them right now, and continue to do so, while US and European politicians stay silent.

So in summary "what is proportional"? Israel can go allow civilian evacuations to the South (monitored by external inspectors) , go into Gaza with all their military might, shoot at enemies when they shoot at you (might kill some civilians), take some casualties, and don't violate International law. Its not perfect, but its hell of a lot more humane that what they're doing now.
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you think this is cs, end game can respawn
why dont you say
let hanas go into some are devoid of civilians and shoot out there
tell hamas force ppl to evac
hamas already forcing civilians there to be human shield
to provoke a reponse
tell hamas they are breaking geneva convention
your opponent fight dirty, you still wanna be respectful?


that said, is there pity to the innocent folks, yes
however , are they accountable? yes, they voted for hamas
dont gimme kids didnt vote and bullshit
majority win, majority want hamas
hamas didn't do any reeoection, no major street protest
you ordered moron, you got moron
same like Ukraine kena game by their president and nato


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QUOTE(mayhammer @ Nov 9 2023, 09:48 AM)
you think this is cs, end game can respawn
why dont you say
let hanas go into some are devoid of civilians and shoot out there
tell hamas force ppl to evac
hamas already forcing civilians there to be human shield
to provoke a reponse
tell hamas they are breaking geneva convention
your opponent fight dirty, you still wanna be respectful?
that said, is there pity to the innocent folks, yes
however , are they accountable? yes, they voted for hamas
dont gimme kids didnt vote and bullshit
majority win, majority want hamas
hamas didn't do any reeoection, no major street protest
you ordered moron, you got moron
same like Ukraine kena game by their president and nato
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I'm limited to 3 post a day, so this will be a bit long post.

"Hamas forcing ppl to be human shields so that they can send Tik Toks for sympathy" is a Zionist/Western narrative. Where do you expect the 2M ppl in Gaza to go? It is only 365sq kms, half the size of Perlis, with more than the population of Kuala Lumpur confined there. Yeah they are confined there, Israel does not allow them to leave without very strong reasons (e.g cancer and rare diseases treatments overseas, but upto 80% die before getting permissions to leave). Do you know they can't even goto the West bank, the other Palestinian settlement?? Packed in Gaza like sardines, Hamas stand anywhere in Gaza also will be in close proximity to civilians la, their "human shields". And because of this, Israel say everyone is fair game.

Of course you'd like Hamas to fight Israel in an open area le, like how you'd like Taliban, the Vietcong, Iraqi's etc...to face an overwhelmingly superior military (US) on the US's terms -- and guarantee their own defeat. Hamas is waging a guerilla war with Israel; Hamas is not the military wing of an independent country, with command centers, an Air force, Navy, training facilities, weapons manufacturing plants, all out of immediate reach of Israel. They have to operate within their occupied territories. You're basically asking for a fight for survival between a teenage boy and a pro boxer, and you tell the teenage boy he have to follow conventional boxing rules, no hitting below the belt, no biting, eye gouging etc.....In this analogy, go ahead and win la Israel, so many were already on your side. But now you don't have to go bash to death the kid's siblings and parents as well.

"dont gimme kids didnt vote and bullshit" - Facts is facts la, how can kids vote? I've already posted this a few time, from Lara Friedman:

"The election that Hamas won took place in 2006 - 17 YRS AGO ago. Most people in Gaza were either small children or not yet born in 2006.
In 2006, Hamas didn’t run on a “kill the Jews” platform. It ran as “The party of change & reform” on a platform boiling down to: the other guys are corrupt & for 15 yrs have achieved nothing—time to throw them out. For most voters, a vote for Hamas was a vote against Fatah.
Arguing that civilians are guilty because their government is guilty is literally the logic of terrorists, including those who have attacked the US.
Hamas *did not win a majority in the 2006 election* -- across the WB & Gaza it won a plurality w/ 44.45% of the vote. In Gaza, Hamas didn't win a majority of votes in any district.
More than 76% of Gazans alive today were either not born yet or too young to vote. Turnout was about 60%. 45% voted for Hamas. That means less than 7% of current Gazans actually voted for Hamas 17 yrs ago."

These are pure facts, not conjecture like "Hamas rules Gaza, means they choose hamas la". Pol pot ruled Cambodia, so the Cambodians that were massacred by him wanted to be killed la, right? Even in our own elections we have seen Parties that lost even with more votes garnered. Anwar won the recent elections, right? So all of us supports Hamas la, right? Since he didn't condemn Hamas.....See this is why you can't just assume ppl's stand based on their leader's opinions/actions. Even worse, you're killing them for it...their stand....not even their actions yet. Hamas kills is NOT THE SAME AS Palestinian civilian kills.

Then you give Ukraine example. Perfect example....Russia has every right to bomb Ukrainian population centers completely la right? Since they "elected" that Zelensky. Zelensky won 90% of votes based on a platform of peace with Russia, and promised to sign the Minsk accord. So I guess that 90% of ppl also agree to die under Russia's SMO ler. Russia has the right to bomb Ukraine hospitals and Churches, use phosphorous to kill Ukrainian women and kids? Why even follow Geneva conventions, bomb them with Nerve Gas and Sarin le. I'm sure the US will have the same reaction to that as they have with Israel's genocide. They're just luckily Russia still tried to conduct themselves with honor at the world stage.
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Nov 9 2023, 12:24 PM)
I'm limited to 3 post a day, so this will be a bit long post.

"Hamas forcing ppl to be human shields so that they can send Tik Toks for sympathy" is a Zionist/Western narrative. Where do you expect the 2M ppl in Gaza to go? It is only 365sq kms, half the size of Perlis, with more than the population of Kuala Lumpur confined there. Yeah they are confined there, Israel does not allow them to leave without very strong reasons (e.g cancer and rare diseases treatments overseas, but upto 80% die before getting permissions to leave). Do you know they can't even goto the West bank, the other Palestinian settlement?? Packed in Gaza like sardines, Hamas stand anywhere in Gaza also will be in close proximity to civilians la, their "human shields". And because of this, Israel say everyone is fair game.

Of course you'd like Hamas to fight Israel in an open area le, like how you'd like Taliban, the Vietcong, Iraqi's etc...to face an overwhelmingly superior military (US) on the US's terms -- and guarantee their own defeat. Hamas is waging a guerilla war with Israel; Hamas is not the military wing of an independent country, with command centers, an Air force, Navy, training facilities, weapons manufacturing plants, all out of immediate reach of Israel. They have to operate within their occupied territories. You're basically asking for a fight for survival between a teenage boy and a pro boxer, and you tell the teenage boy he have to follow conventional boxing rules, no hitting below the belt, no biting, eye gouging etc.....In this analogy, go ahead and win la Israel, so many were already on your side. But now you don't have to go bash to death the kid's siblings and parents as well.

"dont gimme kids didnt vote and bullshit" - Facts is facts la, how can kids vote? I've already posted this a few time, from Lara Friedman:

"The election that Hamas won took place in 2006 - 17 YRS AGO ago. Most people in Gaza were either small children or not yet born in 2006.
In 2006, Hamas didn’t run on a “kill the Jews” platform. It ran as “The party of change & reform” on a platform boiling down to: the other guys are corrupt & for 15 yrs have achieved nothing—time to throw them out. For most voters, a vote for Hamas was a vote against Fatah.
Arguing that civilians are guilty because their government is guilty is literally the logic of terrorists, including those who have attacked the US.
Hamas *did not win a majority in the 2006 election* -- across the WB & Gaza it won a plurality w/ 44.45% of the vote. In Gaza, Hamas didn't win a majority of votes in any district.
More than 76% of Gazans alive today were either not born yet or too young to vote. Turnout was about 60%. 45% voted for Hamas. That means less than 7% of current Gazans actually voted for Hamas 17 yrs ago."

These are pure facts, not conjecture like "Hamas rules Gaza, means they choose hamas la".  Pol pot ruled Cambodia, so the Cambodians that were massacred by him wanted to be killed la, right? Even in our own elections we have seen Parties that lost even with more votes garnered. Anwar won the recent elections, right? So all of us supports Hamas la, right? Since he didn't condemn Hamas.....See this is why you can't just assume ppl's stand based on their leader's opinions/actions. Even worse, you're killing them for it...their stand....not even their actions yet. Hamas kills is NOT THE SAME AS Palestinian civilian kills.

Then you give Ukraine example. Perfect example....Russia has every right to bomb Ukrainian population centers completely la right? Since they "elected" that Zelensky. Zelensky won 90% of votes based on a platform of peace with Russia, and promised to sign the Minsk accord. So I guess that 90% of ppl also agree to die under Russia's SMO ler. Russia has the right to bomb Ukraine hospitals and Churches, use phosphorous to kill Ukrainian women and kids? Why even follow Geneva conventions, bomb them with Nerve Gas and Sarin le. I'm sure the US will have the same reaction to that as they have with Israel's genocide. They're just luckily Russia still tried to conduct themselves with honor at the world stage.
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i think i will adopt your 3 post per day

that aside, i dont think we will agree, so i also will leave it as it is

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i think i will adopt your 3 post per day

that aside, i dont think we will agree, so i also will leave it as it is
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Sorry seems that yesterday I was still "Under Probation" and limited to 3 posts/day. Today I just realized that I'm now "Member Group: Junior Member".


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Sorry seems that yesterday I was still "Under Probation" and limited to 3 posts/day. Today I just realized that I'm now "Member Group: Junior Member".
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unlessh your opinions to the world
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Same like me. I'm Chinese Buddhist, and used to think why the Middle East countries keep going to war with each other, suicide bombing and beheading ppl everywhere. Used to think the "civilized" people were the Americans and the other "white" countries.
Now as I read and dig more and more from the internet and the liberalized social media (like twitter), only I realize how the greed of the capitalist world can manifest in such evil and cruel acts on innocent people. Nothing was as I thought those 10-20 years ago. But you first have to be open to the alternate view, and to want to find out if you're being lied to all these while by the mass media controlled by these very capitalists.
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QUOTE(Buffalo Soldier @ Nov 2 2023, 08:45 AM)
When you joining the fight againt israel in palestine?

Instead of meroyan here?

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QUOTE(ronalho2003 @ Nov 9 2023, 04:25 PM)
When you joining the fight againt israel in palestine?

Instead of meroyan here?

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Next time you feel chicken or egg prices too high, why don't you go start a chicken farm? If can't afford to buy a house cos so expensive, go organize a protest in front of SP Setia/Mah Sing/Sunway, ya.
Remember, don't just "meroyan" here ya on /k.


Buffalo Soldier is here to share the horrors of war that all of us have been blind to all these while. We have heard and read about ppl dying, family members killed in front of your eyes, women/children getting raped and tortured, in so many wars and massacres in our history, and we are still able to brush it off as some terrible thing that happened to other ppl, nothing to do with us. We can still dismiss their deaths flippantly with a "they deserve it cos they don't want freedumb and democrazy" etc..

We're lucky to have media like twitter now so that you all can see 1st hand, in high def and stereo sound, all the anguish and pained screams of mothers/fathers as they embrace the broken and lifeless bodies of their child. Their child who they were playing and joking around with, maybe just a few hours earlier, now gone forever. Most of you won't even click through the links shared here in this thread, really see and feel what the ppl there are going through, imagine it happening to you. Maybe then it will start to change your outlook towards what Israel is doing.





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I can smell your bullshit miles ahead. Please don't cover behind Buddhist. Makes me want to puke
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I was posting that reply to The Retailer who said not to simple accuse ppl who don't support Palestine (like you) are actually anti-Islam. Perhaps I should not have tried to speak up for ppl like you, and maybe you really are just a rabid anti-Muslim.

But since you feel so aggrieved, tell me how am I hiding "behind Buddhist"? Are you accusing me of not being a real Buddhist, and pretending to be one to bluff ppl that some non-Muslims also supporting Palestine? Or are you accusing me of bring a real but disgraceful Buddhist because I go stand with murdered Muslim civilians?

Let me know which one ya, so I can tailor my future "bullshit from miles away", so as not to further aggravate your nausea.

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So what's wrong /K/ kafirs called  Muslims terrorist and  animals if /K/ mods allow it ?  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Nov 10 2023, 10:39 AM)
I was posting that reply to The Retailer who said not to simple accuse ppl who don't support Palestine (like you) are actually anti-Islam. Perhaps I should not have tried to speak up for ppl like you, and maybe you really are just a rabid anti-Muslim.

But since you feel so aggrieved, tell me how am I hiding "behind Buddhist"? Are you accusing me of not being a real Buddhist, and pretending to be one to bluff ppl that some non-Muslims also supporting Palestine? Or are you accusing me of bring a real but disgraceful Buddhist because I go stand with murdered Muslim civilians?

Let me know which one ya, so I can tailor my future "bullshit from miles away", so as not to further aggravate your nausea.
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I was posting that reply to The Retailer who said not to simple accuse ppl who don't support Palestine (like you) are actually anti-Islam. Perhaps I should not have tried to speak up for ppl like you, and maybe you really are just a rabid anti-Muslim.

But since you feel so aggrieved, tell me how am I hiding "behind Buddhist"? Are you accusing me of not being a real Buddhist, and pretending to be one to bluff ppl that some non-Muslims also supporting Palestine? Or are you accusing me of bring a real but disgraceful Buddhist because I go stand with murdered Muslim civilians?

Let me know which one ya, so I can tailor my future "bullshit from miles away", so as not to further aggravate your nausea.
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Simple...... Snap a shot of your hand holding some kind of Buddhist amulet. Put a piece of paper pornoman together with it. Or better yet let's meet up for lunch or yumcha.

Do that and I'll admit I have problems with myself and I shall do self reflection on how I should be conduct myself.

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Simple...... Snap a shot of your hand holding some kind of Buddhist amulet. Put a piece of paper pornoman together with it. Or better yet let's meet up for lunch or yumcha.

Do that and I'll admit I have problems with myself and I shall do self reflection on how I should be conduct myself.
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Sure why not, since I'm a recently promoted "under probation" new user, might as well try out the image posting feature. But sorry ya, I'm not the amulet wearing kinda Buddhist, hope you'll accept this pic of my prayer altar punya accessories.

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Anyway apologies if my reply to you was a bit too aggressively sarcastic, and for joking that you might be an anti-muslim, I'm sure you're not. We all have many degrees of prejudices and opinions on everything around us from race, religion, politics and other $h1t. People can simply interpret any action or comment you make as racist (e.g. like preferring to not rent property to certain segments of society), and won't take into account any other mitigating factors when they judge you.
Its just that in this Israel-Palestinian case, I just don't see how any neutral party can still say Israel is right to continue what they are doing. I'm not saying to not retaliate against Hamas and maybe incur some collateral civilian deaths....but what they are doing now is really the worst documented PURPOSEFUL massacre of children in humanity's dark history.



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Sure why not, since I'm a recently promoted "under probation" new user, might as well try out the image posting feature. But sorry ya, I'm not the amulet wearing kinda Buddhist, hope you'll accept this pic of my prayer altar punya accessories.

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Anyway apologies if my reply to you was a bit too aggressively sarcastic, and for joking that you might be an anti-muslim, I'm sure you're not. We all have many degrees of prejudices and opinions  on everything around us from race, religion, politics and other $h1t. People can simply interpret any action or comment you make as racist (e.g. like preferring to not rent property to certain segments of society), and won't take into account any other mitigating factors when they judge you.
Its just that in this Israel-Palestinian case, I just don't see how any neutral party can still say Israel is right to continue what they are doing. I'm not saying to not retaliate against Hamas and maybe incur some collateral civilian deaths....but what they are doing now is really the worst documented PURPOSEFUL massacre of children in humanity's dark history.
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Ever wonder why so much coverage on Israel-Palestine conflict? It's because of the freedom of press, those other conflict zones you think foreign press is allowed?

Those casualties had it not been Hamas using human shield tactics, they would have been replaced by Hamas militants.

The genocide narrative presented by TS is not entirely true either, Gazan has seen population growth since the past. I'll turn a blind eye to TS's misleading thread title since it seems like unspoken leeway of kopitiam section

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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Nov 10 2023, 02:20 PM)
Sure why not, since I'm a recently promoted "under probation" new user, might as well try out the image posting feature. But sorry ya, I'm not the amulet wearing kinda Buddhist, hope you'll accept this pic of my prayer altar punya accessories.

user posted image

Anyway apologies if my reply to you was a bit too aggressively sarcastic, and for joking that you might be an anti-muslim, I'm sure you're not. We all have many degrees of prejudices and opinions  on everything around us from race, religion, politics and other $h1t. People can simply interpret any action or comment you make as racist (e.g. like preferring to not rent property to certain segments of society), and won't take into account any other mitigating factors when they judge you.
Its just that in this Israel-Palestinian case, I just don't see how any neutral party can still say Israel is right to continue what they are doing. I'm not saying to not retaliate against Hamas and maybe incur some collateral civilian deaths....but what they are doing now is really the worst documented PURPOSEFUL massacre of children in humanity's dark history.
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OK, I concede. I shall back down on my stance and relook at my behavior. Perhaps I'm not that open minded as I have thought
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Ever wonder why so much coverage on Israel-Palestine conflict? It's because of the freedom of press, those other conflict zones you think foreign press is allowed?

Those casualties had it not been Hamas using human shield tactics, they would have been replaced by Hamas militants.

The genocide narrative presented by TS is not entirely true either, Gazan has seen population growth since the past. I'll turn a blind eye to TS's misleading thread title since it seems like unspoken leeway of kopitiam section
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There has always been a lot of coverage whenever big wars happen...especially when it involves the USA directly (9/11, both Iraq wars etc..). But what I think you mean is that now we are getting a free flow, real time, uncensored stream of coverage from both the "baddies" and the "good guys", right? Its been quite obvious since the Ukraine-Russia SMO/War, actually. That's why so many arguments from both side now in Internet space, previously on Ukraine and now on Gaza. People can now easily access news from both sides, and it is slowly changing their world view. I mean, even Jewish people are showing their support to Palestine en masse, can you imagine? Freedom of the Press, baybeh!! Yeahhh!

I put it down to 1 person, and that is Elon Musk and this Twitter/X. If he hadn't bought twitter and stubbornly kept it independent of government influence, I'm sure many ppl (myself included) will continue cheering for the western powers. Also because handphones and mobile data is so pervasive now. Previously if you wanted to get the view of the conflict from the "baddies", there was no way since the Mainstream media only reported the the good guys being good and the bad guys being bad. And if bad guys were not "bad" enough, the MSM will create stories to make sure you know the baddies are really really evil. Evil enough to throw babies from incubators, evil enough to behead 40 Jewish babies, evil enough to re-educate 1 million Muslims and force them to eat pork on Fridays, evil enough to execute officials with Anti-Aircraft guns .....all real "stories" you can fact check on twitter.

Regarding Hamas Human shields, you can read my post in page 8 of this thread.

Regarding Gaza population growth and on TS being misleading in his "Genocide" title, I think you're referring to MAGAMan-X's Worldmeter chart a few posts above? TS started this thread the around the same time as Israel started this Genocide. Perhaps ask MAGAMan-X to get the Palestinian population chart from 9th Oct 2023 to now, then we discuss again if it qualifies as a genocide or not.
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Nov 10 2023, 03:28 PM)
There has always been a lot of coverage whenever big wars happen...especially when it involves the USA directly  (9/11, both Iraq wars etc..). But what I think you mean is that now we are getting a free flow, real time, uncensored stream of coverage from both the "baddies" and the "good guys", right? Its been quite obvious since the Ukraine-Russia SMO/War, actually. That's why so many arguments from both side now in Internet space, previously on Ukraine and now on Gaza. People can now easily access news from both sides, and it is slowly changing their world view. I mean, even Jewish people are showing their support to Palestine en masse, can you imagine? Freedom of the Press, baybeh!! Yeahhh!

I put it down to 1 person, and that is Elon Musk and this Twitter/X. If he hadn't bought twitter and stubbornly kept it independent of government influence, I'm sure many ppl (myself included) will continue cheering for the western powers. Also because handphones and mobile data is so pervasive now. Previously if you wanted to get the view of the conflict from the "baddies", there was no way since the Mainstream media only reported the the good guys being good and the bad guys being bad. And if bad guys were not "bad" enough, the MSM will create stories to make sure you know the baddies are really really evil. Evil enough to throw babies from incubators, evil enough to behead 40 Jewish babies, evil enough to re-educate 1 million Muslims and force them to eat pork on Fridays, evil enough to execute officials with Anti-Aircraft guns .....all real "stories" you can fact check on twitter.

Regarding Hamas Human shields, you can read my post in page 8 of this thread.

Regarding Gaza population growth and on TS being misleading in his "Genocide" title, I think you're referring to MAGAMan-X's Worldmeter chart a few posts above? TS started this thread the around the same time as Israel started this Genocide. Perhaps ask MAGAMan-X to get the Palestinian population chart from 9th Oct 2023 to now, then we discuss again if it qualifies as a genocide or not.
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Just take Yemen war for example, they don't welcome Western journalists.

What about the part where Gazan give voluntarily support to Hamas by enlisting themselves or their kids? Or indirectly support Hamas through other means like giving food or anything? The association is not really quantifiable.

Chill dude, I respect your effort, but I still think it's not worth the lengthy explanation for a conflict that has happened way before most of us are born. Don't mean to throw shade at you, I don't think u are not convincing anybody otherwise nor your effort help the peace process in any way. You may think you know the full picture, but that's not necessarily true either, no offense, forumers here are to be taken with a grain of salt. After we are uninformed busybodies

I appreciate your candidacy in this matter, at least you don't throw one liner insults and seeking to profit off of this conflict. Cheers to you gentleman

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I bet you K anti Islam and pro Israeli supporters wont even looks at these tweets.

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I bet you K anti Islam and pro Israeli supporters wont even looks at these tweets.
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You want to fight war, this is what you get.

You pple vote for hamas, support hamas, this is what you get.
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You want to fight war, this is what you get.

You pple vote for hamas, support hamas, this is what you get.
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You people? Since when I vote for Hamas? Feeling stupid are we.
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I saw it, Unlike you, i'm don't throw away my rationality just because I see some gore.
War is horrible, but what about the violence of Hamas. Palestinian supporters want to look?

Terrorists shoot up civilian vehicle
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Terrorist shoot up a child's bed
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Terrorist abduct a woman, later stripped her naked and then behead her, shouting "Aloha snackbar!!!"
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Terrorists kidnapping Israelis
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Please la, you want to be so invested in your pro-terrorist narrative, at least look at the other side.
Pretty sure he added a comma after the "vote", where he said "support". So do you support Hamas or not?
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lol hamas = terrorist, israel is not ? hamas killing innocent ppl yes, israel not bombing children ? if hamas is terrorist then israel confirm terrorist, if israel not terrorist then confirm hamas is not. Hamas score 50, pass, israel score 80, excellent in terrorist test.
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I have to say, this pornoman can give good points. Unlike most other rabid hamas indirect supporters here who are from the religion of peace, these guys can't debate for nuts, unable to counter arguments, but only knows how to copy twitter messages from their surau's whatsapp groupchat into /k. Its not surprising that pornoman isn't a member of that religion of peace.
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lol hamas = terrorist, israel is not ? hamas killing innocent ppl yes, israel not bombing children ? if hamas is terrorist then israel confirm terrorist, if israel not terrorist then confirm hamas is not. Hamas score 50, pass, israel score 80, excellent in terrorist test.
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Both are terrorist since both did have history attacking civilian.
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You want to fight war, this is what you get.

You pple vote for hamas, support hamas, this is what you get.
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Sigh....not this excuse again....Not sure if this is against /k etiquette, by repeatedly posting the same comment in the same thread...

I've already posted this a few time, from Lara Friedman:

"The election that Hamas won took place in 2006 - 17 YRS AGO ago. Most people in Gaza were either small children or not yet born in 2006.
In 2006, Hamas didn’t run on a “kill the Jews” platform. It ran as “The party of change & reform” on a platform boiling down to: the other guys are corrupt & for 15 yrs have achieved nothing—time to throw them out. For most voters, a vote for Hamas was a vote against Fatah.
Arguing that civilians are guilty because their government is guilty is literally the logic of terrorists, including those who have attacked the US.
Hamas *did not win a majority in the 2006 election* -- across the WB & Gaza it won a plurality w/ 44.45% of the vote. In Gaza, Hamas didn't win a majority of votes in any district.
More than 76% of Gazans alive today were either not born yet or too young to vote. Turnout was about 60%. 45% voted for Hamas. That means less than 7% of current Gazans actually voted for Hamas 17 yrs ago."
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No, it does not. Why you want to pick population chart starting 9th Oct 2023 to now? You mean prior to that Israel no genocide against Palestinian ka? Ok lor, then Palestine are the attackers, so they get what they deserve la, right? LOL! Please la, you want to cherry pick data just to fit your narrative. Get real. In NO SCENARIO is there any evidence of genocide against Palestinians, there's basically a bunch of hateful scums, and a group of people treating scums like scums.

As long as Palestinians are the ones who throws the first punch, any claim of "genocide" is invalid. "But the blockades!!!" Oh please... Gaza has a border with Egypt too, where's the help from their fellow Arabs? And the reason why there's a blockade is Palestinians use the trade routes to smuggle weapons into Palestine, even the West Bank Palestinians said "ya Egypt, go ahead and blockade Gaza. No problem"

Who's trying to genocide who here? LOL!!! laugh.gif
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In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.

I really didn't want to reply directly to you, seeing as you can view the videos of dead/dying babies on this thread and come up with "a group of people treating scums like scums." But perhaps my answer here can be appreciated by other readers.

Firstly I definitely think the UN charter left out the 6th criteria for qualifying anything as genocide.. "Needs approval from MAGAMan-X". And maybe the 7th one...."If no one else in the world (e.g.Egypt) tries to help said genocidees , then it automatically disqualifies it to be called a genocide....kill away then". Too bad this UN definition was only officialized in 1948, after the Holocaust, because then the Allied countries fighting to overcome the Nazi's would have disqualified it as a genocide.

Obviously, I (and everyone else in this world debate) picked 9th Oct because this is when the Genocide of Palestinians started..Of course you would then measure population growth/decrease starting from that point. Isn't that logical?

Who started what 1st, you can debate until cows come home, and still everyone would have their valid points. You want to pick Hamas starting this attack on 9th Oct, other can say it was in response to the escalating Israeli settlers illegally taking Palestinian homes/land this year, which is even happening in the West Bank where there is no Hamas.



Aiyah failed posting twitter...not "twt" meh? https://x.com/AJEnglish/status/1721969347193610271?s=20

Then you can go further until the 6 day war, the massacres upon massacres each side perpetrated against each other. But in the end, blame the Brits with their Balfour Declaration. But that is another discussion for another thread.

Plainly this is a genocide, even if the western powers do not want to admit it because its being done by their golden child. 10000 Palestinians killed in a month, 70% of them civilians, would mean the entire Gaza strip can be emptied in 7 months....and you think its not a genocide.... Wer'e not talking 10k Hamas soldiers here....we're talking about bloody civilians. I wonder if Israel even managed to kill 1000 terrorists, seeing how indiscriminately they are bombing.

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In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.

I really didn't want to reply directly to you, seeing as you can view the videos of dead/dying babies on this thread and come up with "a group of people treating scums like scums." But perhaps my answer here can be appreciated by other readers.

Firstly I definitely think the UN charter left out the 6th criteria for qualifying anything as genocide.. "Needs approval from MAGAMan-X". And maybe the 7th one...."If no one else in the world (e.g.Egypt) tries to help said genocidees , then it automatically disqualifies it to be called a genocide....kill away then". Too bad this UN definition was only officialized in 1948, after the Holocaust, because then the Allied countries fighting to overcome the Nazi's would have disqualified it as a genocide.

Obviously, I (and everyone else in this world debate) picked 9th Oct because this is when the Genocide of Palestinians started..Of course you would then measure population growth/decrease starting from that point. Isn't that logical?

Who started what 1st, you can debate until cows come home, and still everyone would have their valid points. You want to pick Hamas starting this attack on 9th Oct, other can say it was in response to the escalating Israeli settlers illegally taking Palestinian homes/land this year, which is even happening in the West Bank where there is no Hamas.



Aiwah failed posting twitter...not "twt" meh?  https://x.com/AJEnglish/status/1721969347193610271?s=20

Then you can go further until the 6 day war, the massacres upon massacres each side perpetrated against each other. But in the end, blame the Brits with their Balfour Declaration. But that is another discussion for another thread.

Plainly this is a genocide, even if the western powers do not want to admit it because its being done by their golden child. 10000 Palestinians killed in a month, 70% of them civilians, would mean the entire Gaza strip can be emptied in 7 months....and you think its not a genocide.... Wer'e not talking 10k Hamas soldiers here....we're talking about bloody civilians. I wonder if Israel even managed to kill 1000 terrorists, seeing how indiscriminately they are bombing.
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But the fact remains, this current conflict was started by Palestinians unless you say Hamas are not Palestinians.

When 7 Oct happened, what do you expect Israel should respond? This type of Israeli response are expected as you have seen previously and still the Palestinians throw the stones at the beehive knowing full well that repercussion and you can see how happy they were when 7 Oct happened.

It's sad that the victims are civilians from both sides but the point is you opened the Pandora box, you suffer the consequences.
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But the fact remains, this current conflict was started by Palestinians unless you say Hamas are not Palestinians.

When 7 Oct happened, what do you expect Israel should respond? This type of Israeli response are expected as you have seen previously and still the Palestinians throw the stones at the beehive knowing full well that repercussion and you can see how happy they were when 7 Oct happened.

It's sad that the victims are civilians from both sides but the point is you opened the Pandora box, you suffer the consequences.
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Maybe my posts are too darned long and ppl skip over all the points I made**:

"this current conflict was started by Palestinians unless you say Hamas are not Palestinians." - Yes agreed. It was started by Hamas, a subset of Palestinians. Only 7% of the current Palestinians 'might' have voted for Hamas. If a father robbed a bank, should his whole family goto jail?

"When 7 Oct happened, what do you expect Israel should respond?" - Respond with a war or a Special Military Operation ala Russia. Don't respond with a genocide. Don't respond with bombs on civilian targets, on hospitals, on shelters, on Mosques and Churches. On women and children. I'm not sure why I have to keep typing this point out here...

As far as possible, kill as many Hamas soldiers as you like. But if you have to kill 10 kids to kill 1 Hamas soldier, then find another way, a non-criminal (by definition of international laws, not Laws I made up myself) way.


"still the Palestinians throw the stones at the beehive" - Then I ask you back, what do you expect the Palestinians to do? Let Israeli settlers take their homes, watch their land shrink year-after-year, until they finally exist on their own lands like the Indigenous peoples of USA, Aust & Canada? Sit by and continue living like caged animals in walled cities? Negotiate for 75 years with no outcome?
I'm not saying they should rise up like Hamas. If I was in their shoes with my kids there, I'd probably just sit tight and swallow all these injustices. But not everyone is like me, and some choose to fight for their rights. Maybe some of them have nothing left to live for. You can't deny them that right.

**There's a lot of nuance when evaluating any response to an injustice, which is why my posts are so long. Not trying to justify Hamas crimes, or Palestinian crimes if you want to call it that....just try to see the situation as a whole rather than solely from Israel's side.



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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Nov 11 2023, 08:30 AM)
Maybe my posts are too darned long and ppl skip over all the points I made**:

"this current conflict was started by Palestinians unless you say Hamas are not Palestinians." - Yes agreed. It was started by Hamas, a subset of Palestinians. Only 7% of the current Palestinians 'might' have voted for Hamas. If a father robbed a bank, should his whole family goto jail?

"When 7 Oct happened, what do you expect Israel should respond?" - Respond with a war or a Special Military Operation ala Russia. Don't respond with a genocide. Don't respond with bombs on civilian targets, on hospitals, on shelters, on Mosques and Churches. On women and children. I'm not sure why I have to keep typing this point out here...

As far as possible, kill as many Hamas soldiers as you like. But if you have to kill 10 kids to kill 1 Hamas soldier, then find another way, a non-criminal (by definition of international laws, not Laws I made up myself) way.
"still the Palestinians throw the stones at the beehive" - Then I ask you back, what do you expect the Palestinians to do? Let Israeli settlers take their homes, watch their land shrink year-after-year, until they finally exist on their own lands like the Indigenous peoples of USA, Aust & Canada? Sit by and continue living like caged animals in walled cities? Negotiate for 75 years with no outcome?
I'm not saying they should rise up like Hamas. If I was in their shoes with my kids there, I'd probably just sit tight and swallow all these injustices. But not everyone is like me, and some choose to fight for their rights. Maybe some of them have nothing left to live for. You can't deny them that right.

**There's a lot of nuance when evaluating any response to an injustice, which is why my posts are so long. Not trying to justify Hamas crimes, or Palestinian crimes if you want to call it that....just try to see the situation as a whole rather than solely from Israel's side.
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The military operation will fail, the other party might join up from other fronts.. sad.gif it may turn regional war and etc mess

https://fb.watch/oexsap8F24/?mibextid=UVffzb

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lol hamas = terrorist, israel is not ? hamas killing innocent ppl yes, israel not bombing children ? if hamas is terrorist then israel confirm terrorist, if israel not terrorist then confirm hamas is not. Hamas score 50, pass, israel score 80, excellent in terrorist test.
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HAMAS killing innocent ppl first !

So HAMAS killed 1400 innocent ppl does not mean that Israel cannot kill more than 1400 ppl, ! REVENGE IS REVENGE, SEI SO HAI !

Israel ALREADY killed more than 10000 ppl, so if you are not happy you can ask HAMAS to revenge and kill 20k of Israel, or you can go to kill Israel, talk here is no use la !

HAMAS killing innocent ppl first !

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The military operation will fail, the other party might join up from other fronts.. sad.gif it may turn regional war and etc mess

https://fb.watch/oexsap8F24/?mibextid=UVffzb
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Israel already kill few thousand of HAMAS members, fail or not fail is not judge by you or that sohai in that youtube ! who are you ? LOL !

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Israel already kill few thousand of HAMAS members, fail or not fail is not judge by you or that sohai in that youtube ! who are you ? LOL !
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That's what usa and west said last time when they vs Taliban. See where Taliban now.

Hamas? Their policy makers still in Qatar sana safe. Members? They hide in tunnel I guess.. Becoz mostly yg died are woman and children. Not sure, they consider as hamas members ohmy.gif



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QUOTE(miloy2k @ Nov 11 2023, 08:38 AM)
The military operation will fail, the other party might join up from other fronts.. sad.gif it may turn regional war and etc mess

https://fb.watch/oexsap8F24/?mibextid=UVffzb
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not really, looks like hamas is going to be thrown under the bus. the rest are going ayam tatau ayam birgin.
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not really, looks like hamas is going to be thrown under the bus. the rest are going ayam tatau ayam birgin.
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Wait and see, they surely hide one in tunnel like Vietnam war. Else how come men casualties lower vs woman and kids
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QUOTE(miloy2k @ Nov 11 2023, 05:37 AM)
Both are terrorist since both did have history attacking civilian.
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it is war, how many civilians died during ww1, ww2?
wen JP came, how many innocent people died n they were killing for all kinds of reasons, one of them was "for fun"

the fact HAMAS provoked this n hid behind n under civilians.. saying a lot of them, hope more Palestinians wake up soon.

and for people who are debating on either side, here my 2 cent:
we can turn the land into a wasteland and move both arab n jew out to another area, and eventually new kind of conflict will start.
hatred for each other who are different is in our blood until one day the entire world finally wakes up, and conflict continues.


also, media from both side, just ignore it, both are trying to feed their narrative to the world.
idf can record vid n say tis site was HAMAS home base, the other side would say it is fake.
hamas can record vid n say tis person was killed idf, the other side would say it is fake.


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Too many zionist symphatizer here..
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QUOTE(biggie @ Nov 11 2023, 10:35 AM)
Too many zionist symphatizer here..
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More like islamophobes
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 2 2023, 11:08 AM)
i noticed 1 thing. there isn't any suicide boomer news in the last few years. maybe the scholar has corrected the teaching among the pejuang. or there are new tech like drones, missiles to attack.
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Suicide bombers are last resort

QUOTE(James8899 @ Nov 11 2023, 09:03 AM)
HAMAS killing innocent ppl first !

So HAMAS killed 1400 innocent ppl does not mean that Israel cannot kill more than 1400 ppl, ! REVENGE IS REVENGE, SEI SO HAI !

Israel ALREADY killed more than 10000 ppl, so if you are not happy you can ask HAMAS to revenge and kill 20k of Israel, or you can go to kill Israel, talk here is no use la !

HAMAS killing innocent ppl first !
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Two wrongs doesn't make right. If Hamas should be condemned for killing civilians, Israel should be too if they're killing civilians, no matter what the reasons.

QUOTE(Nigmo @ Nov 11 2023, 10:31 AM)
it is war, how many civilians died during ww1, ww2?
wen JP came, how many innocent people died n they were killing for all kinds of reasons, one of them was "for fun"

the fact HAMAS provoked this n hid behind n under civilians.. saying a lot of them, hope more Palestinians wake up soon.

and for people who are debating on either side, here my 2 cent:
we can turn the land into a wasteland and move both arab n jew out to another area, and eventually new kind of conflict will start.
hatred for each other who are different is in our blood until one day the entire world finally wakes up, and conflict continues.
also, media from both side, just ignore it, both are trying to feed their narrative to the world.
idf can record vid n say tis site was HAMAS home base, the other side would say it is fake.
hamas can record vid n say tis person was killed idf, the other side would say it is fake.
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How can Palestinian will completely reject Hamas when all they see it is Israel that keeps killing the people. The better way is improve the livelihood of Palestinian, so that they can't find enough reason to support Hamas, and Hamas can't find any strong reason to continue their terrorism. Which Israel didn't do for the past 7 decades
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even wit hamas gone, a new kind hamas will emerge
the conflict never ends, just a matter of time.
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QUOTE(Nigmo @ Nov 11 2023, 10:31 AM)
it is war, how many civilians died during ww1, ww2?
wen JP came, how many innocent people died n they were killing for all kinds of reasons, one of them was "for fun"

the fact HAMAS provoked this n hid behind n under civilians.. saying a lot of them, hope more Palestinians wake up soon.

and for people who are debating on either side, here my 2 cent:
we can turn the land into a wasteland and move both arab n jew out to another area, and eventually new kind of conflict will start.
hatred for each other who are different is in our blood until one day the entire world finally wakes up, and conflict continues.
also, media from both side, just ignore it, both are trying to feed their narrative to the world.
idf can record vid n say tis site was HAMAS home base, the other side would say it is fake.
hamas can record vid n say tis person was killed idf, the other side would say it is fake.
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QUOTE(sanosizo @ Nov 11 2023, 11:40 AM)
More like islamophobes
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I thought you guys keep saying this conflict is not about religion and about land? Now you pull out the religion card.

Most people here are just pointing out that this conflict started because Hamas got itchy and poke a beehive.

Both sides are no angel and the suffering are the civilians from BOTH sides.

If you want people to sympathise with the Palestinians, you should also sympathise with those killed by Hamas.
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QUOTE(Nigmo @ Nov 11 2023, 10:54 AM)
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even wit hamas gone, a new kind hamas will emerge
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Yup2

Becoz of the treatment of Palestian civilian imo, like some analysts mention, collective punishment will make more worst.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid...mibextid=UVffzb
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Nov 11 2023, 09:30 AM)
Maybe my posts are too darned long and ppl skip over all the points I made**:

"this current conflict was started by Palestinians unless you say Hamas are not Palestinians." - Yes agreed. It was started by Hamas, a subset of Palestinians. Only 7% of the current Palestinians 'might' have voted for Hamas. If a father robbed a bank, should his whole family goto jail?

"When 7 Oct happened, what do you expect Israel should respond?" - Respond with a war or a Special Military Operation ala Russia. Don't respond with a genocide. Don't respond with bombs on civilian targets, on hospitals, on shelters, on Mosques and Churches. On women and children. I'm not sure why I have to keep typing this point out here...

As far as possible, kill as many Hamas soldiers as you like. But if you have to kill 10 kids to kill 1 Hamas soldier, then find another way, a non-criminal (by definition of international laws, not Laws I made up myself) way.
"still the Palestinians throw the stones at the beehive" - Then I ask you back, what do you expect the Palestinians to do? Let Israeli settlers take their homes, watch their land shrink year-after-year, until they finally exist on their own lands like the Indigenous peoples of USA, Aust & Canada? Sit by and continue living like caged animals in walled cities? Negotiate for 75 years with no outcome?
I'm not saying they should rise up like Hamas. If I was in their shoes with my kids there, I'd probably just sit tight and swallow all these injustices. But not everyone is like me, and some choose to fight for their rights. Maybe some of them have nothing left to live for. You can't deny them that right.

**There's a lot of nuance when evaluating any response to an injustice, which is why my posts are so long. Not trying to justify Hamas crimes, or Palestinian crimes if you want to call it that....just try to see the situation as a whole rather than solely from Israel's side.
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So you’re saying Hamas don’t represent Palestinians. So why are they not doing anything to expel Hamas or stopped them before they provoke Israel.

Special Operation like Russia? This war is not like Ukraine Russia war where it’s more a conventional war. Even in Ukraine plenty of civilians are killed but the Ukrainians soldiers don’t hide in hospitals, schools, residential areas, etc. launching attacks on Russians. Also, Ukraines don’t display their dead civilians like Palestinians to gain sympathy.

It’s easy for us to say find another way but this is war. War is ugly and the objective of any wars is to obliterate the enemy without suffering heavy losses on your own side. What other way Israel have when the enemy are hiding with civilians?

What Palestinians can do? Israel basically left Gaza alone since 2005. What did the Palestinians do in Gaza since 2005? They elected Hamas and launch an intifada. Then they blame Israel for holding a tight leash on Gaza. Can you really blame Israel for holding a tight leash. Remember, Egypt also control their borders with Gaza tightly too. Why? Before they talk about Israel, why aren’t the Palestinians getting rid of Hamas first and find a leader who genuinely have plans for their future when you say they just represent 7% of Gazans?

As for West Bank, it’s time the Palestinians accept they lost the lands to the Jews. Negotiate with Israel to land swap with Israel because the current West Bank and Gaza are separated and impossible to govern together. Salvage whatever they have before they lose everything. Unfortunately, a partition like India Pakistan is the best solution and don’t even think of going back to 1948 borders. It’s unfair but Palestinians need to wake up and stop dreaming of from the river to the sea anymore. They have lost support from most Arabs countries and most Muslims leaders are just using them for political mileage only.

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QUOTE(Exiled_Gundam @ Nov 11 2023, 11:45 AM)
Suicide bombers are last resort
Two wrongs doesn't make right. If Hamas should be condemned for killing civilians, Israel should be too if they're killing civilians, no matter what the reasons.
How can Palestinian will completely reject Hamas when all they see it is Israel that keeps killing the people. The better way is improve the livelihood of Palestinian, so that they can't find enough reason to support Hamas, and Hamas can't find any strong reason to continue their terrorism. Which Israel didn't do for the past 7 decades
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HAMAS killing innocent ppl first !

HAMAS killed 1400 innocent ppl does not mean that Israel cannot kill more than 1400 ppl, !

REVENGE IS REVENGE, SEI SO HAI !
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Seems like some /k members die die wanna say Gazan are "innocent". Let me reiterate, support does NOT only come in the form of election, they can VOLUNTARILY enlist, provide money and aid, any way that can prop up Hamas.

Unless you talk from stats/evidence and quantify that Palestinian indeed are not associated to Hamas in any way, the connection is still there, war guilt remains DEBATABLE. But I bet no one's really been to Gazan, no one knows the full picture, so yup, take it with a grain of salt. All the more reasons to remain NEUTRAL and not pick sides.

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QUOTE(overlimit @ Nov 11 2023, 11:43 AM)
Seems like some /k members die die wanna say Gazan are "innocent". Let me reiterate, support does NOT only come in the form of election, they can VOLUNTARILY enlist, provide money and aid, any way that can prop up Hamas.

Unless you talk from stats/evidence and quantify that Palestinian indeed are not associated to Hamas in any way, the connection is still there, war guilt remains DEBATABLE. But I bet no one's really been to Gazan, no one knows the full picture, so yup, take it with a grain of salt. All the more reasons to remain NEUTRAL and not pick sides.
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Agreed, both side did the terrorism act. Plus, this more towards proxy war between usa vs 2 world power indirectly.
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QUOTE(James8899 @ Nov 11 2023, 11:26 AM)
HAMAS killing innocent ppl first !

HAMAS killed 1400 innocent ppl does not mean that Israel cannot kill more than 1400 ppl, !

REVENGE IS REVENGE, SEI SO HAI !
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Israel updated the figure. it's actually around 1200 not 1400.
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QUOTE(sanosizo @ Nov 11 2023, 10:40 AM)
More like islamophobes
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Agreed. The sucis and the tertindas included
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QUOTE(James8899 @ Nov 11 2023, 09:03 AM)
HAMAS killing innocent ppl first !

So HAMAS killed 1400 innocent ppl does not mean that Israel cannot kill more than 1400 ppl, ! REVENGE IS REVENGE, SEI SO HAI !

Israel ALREADY killed more than 10000 ppl, so if you are not happy you can ask HAMAS to revenge and kill 20k of Israel, or you can go to kill Israel, talk here is no use la !

HAMAS killing innocent ppl first !
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Lol if like that hamas isn't terrorist, Israel only terrorists, they go there and kill ppl 1st, need to look back 75 years
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QUOTE(narf03 @ Nov 11 2023, 02:34 PM)
Lol if like that hamas isn't terrorist, Israel only terrorists, they go there and kill ppl 1st, need to look back 75 years
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Why not look back 500 years ago ? LOL
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 11 2023, 12:53 PM)
Israel updated the figure. it's actually around 1200 not 1400.
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So what ? 1200 or 1400 does not really matter, REVENGE IS REVENGE !

You kill my ppl 1200, when revenge I can kill your ppl 10x or 100x more . . . .LOL
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Why not look back 500 years ago ? LOL
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ya correct, u noticed how stupid was your claim isnt it ?
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QUOTE(miloy2k @ Nov 11 2023, 11:48 AM)
Agreed, both side did the terrorism act.  Plus, this more towards proxy war between usa vs 2 world power indirectly.
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USA has its hands in 90% of the wars, coups and conflicts in the world since WW2, maybe even earlier. It has used Anti-Communism, The War on Drugs, Spreading Freedom and Democracy, War on Terror as its excuse to extract resources from countries all over the world. They then profit again when populations from these war-torn countries immigrate to the USA to contribute to their advancement, that's why they have such an open immigation policy. They proudly call themselves "A Nation of Immigrants"-John F Kennedy 1958.

So yes you are correct, there is more than meets the eye (my post from another thread):

Israel-approves-development-of-gas-field-off-the-coast-of-the-gaza-strip (notice date of article)

Also google the Ben Gurion Canal (going to be the western/zionist alternative to the Suez Canal).
In summary: USA needs to bring down China, China has the BRI, India launches the BRI alternative on Sept'23 (India/Middle East/Europe trade route) during the G20 to great cheers from USA.

"Traditionally trade between India and Europe have relied heavily on the Suez Canal. After the acquisition of the Haifa Port, Israel’s second largest port, by a consortium led by India’s Adani Group, it is being transformed into a world-class facility that can be an alternative route, besides challenging China’s growing footprint in the region. Ron Malka, Israel’s former envoy to India, the executive chairman of the Haifa Port Company says the goal is to develop the Haifa Port as a true gateway connecting the East to West.
The Ben Gurion Canal will give Israel in particular and other friendly nations the freedom from blackmail arising out of access to the Suez Canal."

And so many ppl on the internet is wondering why India supports Israel's actions on Gaza so strongly.


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QUOTE(delon85 @ Nov 2 2023, 10:18 AM)
This wouldn't have happened if Arabs signed the Partition Plan which was revised 5 times. But Arabs refused to sign it.

Why? Because the Arabs wanna genocide the jews. Look at Hezbollah. It's sole existence is to hunt down all the jews.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1922_census_of_Palestine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1931_census_of_Palestine

Even if you take the 1931 census, Muslims & Christians in Palestine outnumbered Jews 8 to 1 in the area. There really was no justification for partition & establishing a Jewish state there other than Zionist lobby and Western imperialists acquiescence.

Rest as they say is history.

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you guys sure those image or video are not AI generator ?

Alot of fake news and pictures on the internet

very hard to believe anyone or any news outlet

I dont trust the main stream media at all


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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Nov 11 2023, 03:04 PM)
USA has its hands in 90% of the wars, coups and conflicts in the world since WW2, maybe even earlier. It has used Anti-Communism, The War on Drugs, Spreading Freedom and Democracy, War on Terror as its excuse to extract resources from countries all over the world. They then profit again when populations from these war-torn countries immigrate to the USA to contribute to their advancement, that's why they have such an open immigation policy. They proudly call themselves "A Nation of Immigrants"-John F Kennedy 1958.

So yes you are correct, there is more than meets the eye (my post from another thread):

Israel-approves-development-of-gas-field-off-the-coast-of-the-gaza-strip (notice date of article)

Also google the Ben Gurion Canal (going to be the western/zionist alternative to the Suez Canal).
In summary: USA needs to bring down China, China has the BRI, India launches the BRI alternative on Sept'23 (India/Middle East/Europe trade route) during the G20 to great cheers from USA.

"Traditionally trade between India and Europe have relied heavily on the Suez Canal. After the acquisition of the Haifa Port, Israel’s second largest port, by a consortium led by India’s Adani Group, it is being transformed into a world-class facility that can be an alternative route, besides challenging China’s growing footprint in the region. Ron Malka, Israel’s former envoy to India, the executive chairman of the Haifa Port Company says the goal is to develop the Haifa Port as a true gateway connecting the East to West.
The Ben Gurion Canal will give Israel in particular and other friendly nations the freedom from blackmail arising out of access to the Suez Canal."

And so many ppl on the internet is wondering why India supports Israel's actions on Gaza so strongly.
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Profits to be made are there aka mainly for Usa military complex. If let say say Israel and Palestine peace, who will buy those weapon. Who knows, they create sales and demand scenario world wide.
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QUOTE(nobrainer86 @ Nov 11 2023, 04:09 PM)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1922_census_of_Palestine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1931_census_of_Palestine

Even if you take the 1931 census, Muslims & Christians in Palestine outnumbered Jews 8 to 1 in the area. There really was no justification for partition & establishing a Jewish state there other than Zionist lobby and Western imperialists acquiescence.

Rest as they say is history.
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Read the Peel Commission and you know why they recommended 2 state solution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peel_Commission


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So you’re saying Hamas don’t represent Palestinians. So why are they not doing anything to expel Hamas or stopped them before they provoke Israel.

Special Operation like Russia? This war is not like Ukraine Russia war where it’s more a conventional war. Even in Ukraine plenty of civilians are killed but the Ukrainians soldiers don’t hide in hospitals, schools, residential areas, etc. launching attacks on Russians. Also, Ukraines don’t display their dead civilians like Palestinians to gain sympathy.

It’s easy for us to say find another way but this is war. War is ugly and the objective of any wars is to obliterate the enemy without suffering heavy losses on your own side. What other way Israel have when the enemy are hiding with civilians?

What Palestinians can do? Israel basically left Gaza alone since 2005. What did the Palestinians do in Gaza since 2005? They elected Hamas and launch an intifada. Then they blame Israel for holding a tight leash on Gaza. Can you really blame Israel for holding a tight leash. Remember, Egypt also control their borders with Gaza tightly too. Why? Before they talk about Israel, why aren’t the Palestinians getting rid of Hamas first and find a leader who genuinely have plans for their future when you say they just represent 7% of Gazans?

As for West Bank, it’s time the Palestinians accept they lost the lands to the Jews. Negotiate with Israel to land swap with Israel because the current West Bank and Gaza are separated and impossible to govern together. Salvage whatever they have before they lose everything. Unfortunately, a partition like India Pakistan is the best solution and don’t even think of going back to 1948 borders. It’s unfair but Palestinians need to wake up and stop dreaming of from the river to the sea anymore. They have lost support from most Arabs countries and most Muslims leaders are just using them for political mileage only.
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So why are they not doing anything to expel Hamas or stopped them before they provoke Israel.

How do you expect civilians to overthrow an armed militant group that operates among them? Hamas stopped elections in Gaza after taking power. They won on an anti-corruption platform.
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How long was Myanmar under the military Junta, which carried out massacres on its own population, and why didn't they overthrow it? (Ans-50 years)

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Ukraines don’t display their dead civilians like Palestinians to gain sympathy.

Ukraine tried though, but they mostly only had dead adults, which does not elicit as much sympathy. Also no videos. Remember the Bucha "massacre", they sure tried pushing that for outrage? Also Russia does not want to attack Ukrainian civilians as Putin thinks they are the same ppl, and you can somewhat see the restraint Russia practices in attacks on Ukraine.
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War is ugly and the objective of any wars is to obliterate the enemy without suffering heavy losses on your own side.

Yes that is the gist of war, but should international laws be followed during conduct of war? Is your opinion that Israel should use any means necessary to win, even using nuclear bombs? What if Israel started rounding up Palestinians and put them in Gas Chambers, is ok by your outlook on this matter?

I know we'll never see eye-to-eye on this, and I understand that Israel can't be blamed for wanting to solve this Palestinian issue once and for all and secure the entire region for itself, with 0 Israeli deaths if possible. Ultimately, we are just bystanders on this, don't know everything going on behind the scenes, and our opinions are not worth a cent.
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QUOTE(nobrainer86 @ Nov 11 2023, 03:09 PM)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1922_census_of_Palestine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1931_census_of_Palestine

Even if you take the 1931 census, Muslims & Christians in Palestine outnumbered Jews 8 to 1 in the area. There really was no justification for partition & establishing a Jewish state there other than Zionist lobby and Western imperialists acquiescence.

Rest as they say is history.
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That's 1931, by 1937 the percentage have already increased more.

The area is also under British control since 1917 after the defeat of Ottoman Empire in the Great War. Since 1948, many wars were waged against Israel and Arabs lost all. Tell me, do you know what happens in wars?
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That's 1931, by 1937 the percentage have already increased more.

The area is also under British control since 1917 after the defeat of Ottoman Empire in the Great War. Since 1948, many wars were waged against Israel and Arabs lost all. Tell me, do you know what happens in wars?
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Again, it doesn't justify Jews getting an independent state and of all places there in an area with such complex history and religious situation.

So you are basically saying then winner takes all? No issues with that statement as long as people are consistent with it. In future if PRC forcefully takes islands in SCS will you accept it as same?
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Nov 11 2023, 03:38 PM)
Read the Peel Commission and you know why they recommended 2 state solution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peel_Commission
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Anywhere else it would have just let things take their course and the majority get their way, but hanks to Zionist lobby and Western interference, instead we got the majority deprived of their land and a state which has no business existing imposed on the area.

Moving on though, that is the history of it. Justified or not Israel is forced on the area and has been for past 70 years that it's become a fact now.

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QUOTE(nobrainer86 @ Nov 11 2023, 07:21 PM)
Again, it doesn't justify Jews getting an independent state and of all places there in an area with such complex history and religious situation.

So you are basically saying then winner takes all? No issues with that statement as long as people are consistent with it. In future if PRC forcefully takes islands in SCS will you accept it as same?
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That's what happens in war isn't it. Winner dictates the rules. Did you see Japan set condition for their surrender in ww2?
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QUOTE(narf03 @ Nov 11 2023, 03:59 PM)
ya correct, u noticed how stupid was your claim isnt it ?
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So you are so stupid, you still can't understand the fact that the vengeance on both sides will continue until one side completely disappears from the face of the earth. !
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That's what happens in war isn't it. Winner dictates the rules. Did you see Japan set condition for their surrender in ww2?
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Such a mentality mostly ends up leading to further conflict down the line.

Look how Germany were humiliated after WW2, and where that led to

It's easy for us to say such things to others, but when ending up on the losing side would we accept our loss as easily?

Think about it
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Such a mentality mostly ends up leading to further conflict down the line.

Look how Germany were humiliated after WW2, and where that led to

It's easy for us to say such things to others, but when ending up on the losing side would we accept our loss as easily?

Think about it
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If the treatment are bad, they will retaliate and getting more stronger. See Iraq, Afghanistan after usa withdraw.
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Such a mentality mostly ends up leading to further conflict down the line.

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OK let me give you something to think about continuing conflicts.

You have videos of children dressed up in IDF uniforms?

I certainly have seen videos of parents dressing up their kids in hamas militant clothes, as though it is something the children have to look forward to. That's how you bring conflict to the next generation.
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OK let me give you something to think about continuing conflicts.

You have videos of children dressed up in IDF uniforms?

I certainly have seen videos of parents dressing up their kids in hamas militant clothes, as though it is something the children have to look forward to. That's how you bring conflict to the next generation.
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That's wrong no doubt, but it leads to my point that your philosophy of winner takes all has led to a people that have nothing to lose to the extent even their children are just another weapon in the conflict

Of course the "winner" is going to have no such mindset

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That's wrong no doubt, but it leads to my point that your philosophy of winner takes all has led to a people that have nothing to lose
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That's the nature of war, don't be a hippie about it.
Doesn't mean the losers need to be a whiner about it for generations claiming lost lands. Otherwise we will have permanent defense against sulu in East Malaysia.

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Same goes to you then. Don't be a hippie about the losers weaponizing children against the winners.
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Same goes to you then. Don't be a hippie about the losers weaponizing children against the winners.
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Yeah that's right. Show your true colours. Weaponising children instead of turning them to better person are ok in your book.

Then don't cry when weaponised children becomes collateral damage in wars.
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Same goes to you then. Don't be a hippie about the losers weaponizing children against the winners.
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Last time, same tactic during vietcong to vs Usa. Desperate people will do desperate stuff.
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Last time, same tactic during vietcong to vs Usa. Desperate people will do desperate stuff.
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Vietcong wish to kill all Americans. That's new to me.
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Vietcong wish to kill all Americans. That's new to me.
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During that war time, yes. Remember, they are at war at one time.

Can Google around for source.

https://blogs.bl.uk/asian-and-african/2016/...ren-at-war.html
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During that war time, yes. Remember, they are at war at one time.

Can Google around for source.

https://blogs.bl.uk/asian-and-african/2016/...ren-at-war.html
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Vietcong fought for a different cause.

Plestine war is a different cause altogether. Watch below.


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Anywhere else it would have just let things take their course and the majority get their way, but hanks to Zionist lobby and Western interference, instead we got the majority deprived of their land and a state which has no business existing imposed on the area.

Moving on though, that is the history of it. Justified or not Israel is forced on the area and has been for past 70 years that it's become a fact now.
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Riots were already happening in the 1920s & 1930s and to be fair to the Brits they did a proper survey on what is best for that area. Peel Commission was not much different from our Cobbold Commission before Malaysia was formed. The big different there the Arabs and Jews were clearly not going to work.

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So you are so stupid, you still can't understand the fact that the vengeance on both sides will continue until one side completely disappears from the face of the earth. !
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no, u are the 1 stupid, do u know why laws exists, its supposed to avoid things like what you said, you dont take vengeance yourself, there is no way both sides completely eliminate the other side completely, it never happen in our human history, even USA themselves cant do it. they might completely eliminate gaza, but not hamas, it will just spread to nearby areas, or within israel.

how to handle it ? ccp's method, xinjiang used to be a state with many terrorist attacks decades ago, china didnt bomb anybody, do u still hear xinjiang still get terrorist attack every few days ?
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Yeah that's right. Show your true colours. Weaponising children instead of turning them to better person are ok in your book.

Then don't cry when weaponised children becomes collateral damage in wars.
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With your mentality of winner takes all, it doesn't surprise me that others will resort also to desperate tactics to achieve their goals, after all you are the one espousing such a mentality that essentially is survival of the fittest.

You are the one putting forward that such a mindset is correct, but seemingly not willing to accept the natural counter reaction when others do the same.

Ok by my book has already been clarified in earlier post, but you clearly show a bias in your agenda to completely ignore it

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With your mentality of winner takes all, it doesn't surprise me that others will resort also to desperate tactics to achieve their goals, after all you are the one espousing such a mentality that essentially is survival of the fittest.

You are the one putting forward that such a mindset is correct, but seemingly not willing to accept the natural counter reaction when others do the same.

Ok by my book has already been clarified in earlier post, but you clearly show a bias in your agenda to completely ignore it
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Past history has shown that winner takes all, yet no culture dresses up their children as though they're going for war except for one, even if the conflict doesn't directly affect them.

Grooming children for conflict is not a natural counter, but assured continuation of the conflict. It can only come from totalitarian group.

I'm not gonna go through many past replies in this thread just to look at this mysterious book of yours.

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no, u are the 1 stupid, do u know why laws exists, its supposed to avoid things like what you said, you dont take vengeance yourself, there is no way both sides completely eliminate the other side completely, it never happen in our human history, even USA themselves cant do it. they might completely eliminate gaza, but not hamas, it will just spread to nearby areas, or within israel.

how to handle it ? ccp's method, xinjiang used to be a state with many terrorist attacks decades ago, china didnt bomb anybody, do u still hear xinjiang still get terrorist attack every few days ?
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You lagi stupid, discussing the law with terrorists Hamas ? laws does exists between Israel and Hamas ! LOL !


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You lagi stupid,  discussing the law with terrorists Hamas ?  laws does exists between Israel and Hamas ! LOL !
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both are terrorists then, talk cock king 1 sided.
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conveniently only the guys pops out of tunnel and survives while only the children left to die...i wonder why? sommore in video pura2 busy like that...
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both are terrorists then, talk cock king 1 sided.
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U r talking cock, I already said in previous posts that both side can revenge . . . .so fight until one side extinct ! LOL !


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See how smart communities showing their solidarity? No need gun, no need toy gun, use the brain
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but hamas tebuk sarang tebuan, then now the whole village kena sengat

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Vietcong fought for a different cause.

Plestine war is a different cause altogether. Watch below.


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What different? Both are at war vs those have superior tech.

One side living in biggest open air prison, while another side doing collective punishment for xx years, well we all know where this going on

And for Israel and Hamas, both did strike civilian target thus terrorist in my pov.
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What different? Both are at war vs those have superior tech.
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For generations, people wage wars for their cause. Keyword is cause.

If you wanna talk about tech difference, might as well talk about how this war is the same as Roman vs barbarian wars.
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For generations, people wage wars for their cause. Keyword is cause.

If you wanna talk about tech difference, might as well talk about how this war is the same as Roman vs barbarian wars.
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How did roman fall Btw?
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How did roman fall Btw?
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One of the main causes is corruption.

I'm not here to talk about the Romans though
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One of the main causes is corruption.

I'm not here to talk about the Romans though
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Either way, collective punishment doesn't work, to defeat hamas for example, take a path that make them irrelevant.
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Either way, collective punishment doesn't work, to defeat hamas for example, take a path that make them irrelevant.
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That's easy for you to say. How do you do that with indoctrinated population?
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That's easy for you to say. How do you do that with indoctrinated population?
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Have to ask WHY they indoctrinated at the first place? The collective punishment has being going on xx years. You can't expect no retaliation when doing so.

2 nation solution imo is the best, which UN and other world power support. Let China for example handle it. They did broker a peace deal between Saudi and Iran.

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QUOTE(delon85 @ Nov 12 2023, 12:38 AM)
Past history has shown that winner takes all, yet no culture dresses up their children as though they're going for war except for one, even if the conflict doesn't directly affect them.

Grooming children for conflict is not a natural counter, but assured continuation of the conflict. It can only come from totalitarian group.

I'm not gonna go through many past replies in this thread just to look at this mysterious book of yours.
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He seems to wanna groom his lil shytes to be telolist
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That's easy for you to say. How do you do that with indoctrinated population?
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CCP Uighur management is the other extreme which kinda works?
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CCP Uighur management is the other extreme which kinda works?
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Their way of doing stuff works, which the west unable to admit that.
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why no document about HAMAS hiding in hospitals?
cry father cry mother wen hospital get bombed
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Have to ask WHY they indoctrinated at the first place? The collective punishment has being going on xx years. You can't expect no retaliation when doing so.

2 nation solution imo is the best, which UN and other world power support. Let China for example handle it. They did broker a peace deal between Saudi and Iran.
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Topkek 1 sided study while the conflict has been going on for more than 75 years. You're welcome to stay in your own world.

QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ Nov 12 2023, 04:01 PM)
He seems to wanna groom his lil shytes to be telolist
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I don't understand and will never try to understand the mindset that terror grooming is fine.

QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ Nov 12 2023, 04:02 PM)
CCP Uighur management is the other extreme which kinda works?
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They will just scream they're being tertindas in the other extreme.
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Topkek 1 sided study while the conflict has been going on for more than 75 years. You're welcome to stay in your own world.
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So do you lol
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why no document about HAMAS hiding in hospitals?
cry father cry mother wen hospital get bombed
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Maybe ada or maybe xda, mcm wmd in Iraq one. Lol
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So do you lol
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I'm living in the real world, having recognised that the conflicts has been going on for decades, where 2-states solution has been rejected 5 times by 1 side.
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Their way of doing stuff works, which the west unable to admit that.
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That is not the best but if really too much then hard measures needed.
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I'm living in the real world, having recognised that the conflicts has been going on for decades, where 2-states solution has been rejected 5 times by 1 side.
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Did share in here or other tread, 2 state solution is the way out.

LET CHINA lead it,
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That is not the best but if really too much then hard measures needed.
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Try vs what Israel or palestine having now.
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Agreed. They are ignorance people that will ignore fact and trust in wiki content or jew news only.
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QUOTE(The Retailer @ Nov 2 2023, 08:56 AM)
I think better don simply say others anti islam if they not supporting Palestine.

For many years i also thought those in middle east are terrorist.

Because when i was young I couldn’t understand why suicide bomber etc..

Now getting old and understand how “international media” works,
Then only I understand i was brainwashed, and lots of people are brainwashed because english media work in a group and know exactly how to manipulate.
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Well the other also doing the same to civillian. 2x5
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Maybe ada or maybe xda, mcm wmd in Iraq one. Lol
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recent biggest siege was the hospital, tat indonesia donete one.
at 1st say idf wan to bomb hospital again, say no hamas inside, later say got, try to blame idf for bombing hospital.
i wonder lying to their teeth still get 72 virgin o no
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recent biggest siege was the hospital, tat indonesia donete one.
at 1st say idf wan to bomb hospital again, say no hamas inside, later say got, try to blame idf for bombing hospital.
i wonder lying to their teeth still get 72 virgin o no
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Both did terrorist act, meanwhile who knows, idf and hamas yamcha belakang tabir, kawan hahaha
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Both did terrorist act, meanwhile who knows, idf and hamas yamcha belakang tabir, kawan hahaha
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yep, all jus wayang.
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 13 2023, 12:51 AM)
Exactly. Hamas is terrorist and Israel is NOT. They're defending their borders. British killed more German civilians than German kill British civilians, so Britain is the terrorist now? What bodoh logic have you been brainwashed to accept?

WTF you want Israel to do, let the rockets keep dropping? Let their civilians keep getting kidnap? Where do you live, I know criminals would absolutely love to meet your acquaintance.
Ooohh... Now it's back to 1948. Well go look at the population chart again then.

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Seems like the Israeli are doing a piss poor job of committing "any of five acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".

Hamas started a war, Palestinian paid the price. It's not genocide, Palestinians managed to live their own lives, UNTIL they started firing rockets into Israel.

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Lol stupid ppl logic when u ask what Israel can do but never ask what Palestinian can do. And what Israel can do is simple, learn from China. When the ppl have their life and see their future nobody wants to die as a terrorists, if u keep killing them, they don't have future and can't find a way out will only turn them into terrorists. Xinjiang was a terrorist heavy province in china 30 years ago. Today nobody want to bomb anybody.
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 13 2023, 01:21 AM)
All this time I've been saying Israel is killing Palestinian civilians because Hamas terrorists are using the civilians as human shield.

What can Palestinians do? HOW ABOUT STOP FIRING ROCKETS INTO ISRAEL, AND SPEND THAT MONEY ON INFRASTUCTURE!

Are you an idiot?
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U idiot or what? I just told u look at china. When last time terrorists keep attacking china in within, did china bomb them? It takes time to stop. Israel has been locking them up like animal for the pass 75 years. China took 10 years to fix the issue, within that 10 years there are still attacks. U can't stop them all immediately. Even the action Israel taking won't stop them, cause each hamaa they kill they generate 10 more, from civilians that lose their loved ones.
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China is China.

You want to bring up that example. Who are the bombers/terrorists there?

Don't be making silly comparisons that aren't the same. It's called the false equivalency fallacy.
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Surely Israel is the terrorist here
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OMFG you can't even answer a question to a false equivalence fallacy you brought up. FAIL!

Just admit you don't know shit about what's happening there la. Go read some wiki pages then come back. Start with the Belfour Declaration.
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OK if that not correct then u are the terrorist here.
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