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post Oct 19 2023, 08:14 AM, updated 2y ago

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Long story short, I fell in love with Arteon at first sight. Booked test drive, everything seems to run smoothly. And they have Gemilang Deals too, 7 years free maintenance, same like my X1 and X3.

I never own Volkswagen before, my noob understanding is that they are more or less same as BMW. And based on my experience, usually car dealer will tune test drive car a bit, and when u get the real one, they might be slight difference.

Anyone owned Arteon here? How is the long term experience so far? I plan to buy it just for city drive, maybe to meet people or simply cruising aroung.
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post Oct 19 2023, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(*lightbringer* @ Oct 19 2023, 08:14 AM)
And based on my experience, usually car dealer will tune test drive car a bit, and when u get the real one, they might be slight difference.

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sure boh... why would they bother to do this.

And for sure a "used" test drive car will feel slightly different from a brand new one.

e.g your "experienced" GF vs virgin GF also feel different right tongue.gif
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post Oct 19 2023, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(*lightbringer* @ Oct 19 2023, 09:14 AM)
I never own Volkswagen before, my noob understanding is that they are more or less same as BMW. And based on my experience, usually car dealer will tune test drive car a bit, and when u get the real one, they might be slight difference.
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FYI, they dont have the time and money to tune test drive, the most activate or select sport mode (which most modern rides also can do nowadays) to let you feel more aggressive during test driving.
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post Oct 19 2023, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(*lightbringer* @ Oct 19 2023, 08:14 AM)
Long story short, I fell in love with Arteon at first sight. Booked test drive, everything seems to run smoothly. And they have Gemilang Deals too, 7 years free maintenance, same like my X1 and X3.

I never own Volkswagen before, my noob understanding is that they are more or less same as BMW. And based on my experience, usually car dealer will tune test drive car a bit, and when u get the real one, they might be slight difference.

Anyone owned Arteon here? How is the long term experience so far? I plan to buy it just for city drive, maybe to meet people or simply cruising aroung.
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TS already got X1 and X3, then buy another BMW la, why go and buy VW?
VW more superior than your BMW in terms of ride?
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post Oct 19 2023, 08:55 AM

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Don't buy new one.

Get a 1-1.5 yr old. Instantly save 100k.
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post Oct 19 2023, 09:08 AM

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Current owner here since mid 2022. Previously owned a Tiguan MK1.5 year 2013, so I did have my fair share of dealing with peep-peeves of a VAG vehicle.

- Yes, the dealer would put on sport mode for test drive and put on RON97.
- I got a good deal, no SST, full price only RM248K, but only 3 years free maintenance with 5 years warranty. But mine is pre-IQ Drive, so I have to fork another RM3K to do upgrade to Adaptive Cruise Control outside (Euro Retrofit).

Pros:
- Fuel saving
- Premium cabin material, seats are super comfy
- Spacious, for all: self, front & rear passengers. Boot space is a CAVE!
- Multiple drive mode/profiles - can be really sporty and fast
- Frameless door and still good sound insulation
- Great sound system with subwoofer
- Easy to accumulate speeding tickets (is this a PRO?)
- Wireless Android Auto or Apple Carplay out of the box
- IQ Drive with Travel Assist (really takes the stress out of crawling traffic)

Cons:
- Currently the supplied 19" 245 40 Pirelli P-Zero tires are under recall for premature failure
- High maintenance: Oil change (fully synthetic 0W-30), DSG services, HALDEX (4Motion) services
- Known VW issues: ignition coil packs, quick-to-wear front lower arm bushing, ABS speed sensors, evap charcoal canister, plastic coolant pump, plastic oil sump bottom cover.
- When vehicle ages, oil leaks are common.
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post Oct 19 2023, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(*lightbringer* @ Oct 19 2023, 08:14 AM)
Long story short, I fell in love with Arteon at first sight. Booked test drive, everything seems to run smoothly. And they have Gemilang Deals too, 7 years free maintenance, same like my X1 and X3.

I never own Volkswagen before, my noob understanding is that they are more or less same as BMW. And based on my experience, usually car dealer will tune test drive car a bit, and when u get the real one, they might be slight difference.

Anyone owned Arteon here? How is the long term experience so far? I plan to buy it just for city drive, maybe to meet people or simply cruising aroung.
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no issue for first 24 months... after 24 months you will have sensor failing which cost RM20 each like the water sensor, wheel sensor, light switch, and others. Nothing big if you can deal with small small item like this then ok ... the car is awesome and lovely just a bit "Princess Atitude" but wild in the bed.
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post Oct 19 2023, 05:44 PM

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Can go find on Facebook Volkswagen Arteon Owners Club Malaysia to check out more about ownership experience...
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post Oct 19 2023, 11:34 PM

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This brand and together with Mazda 6, can buy.... Used unit. Price just no logic used unit. Drop like no one need these cars
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post Oct 20 2023, 08:57 AM

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Well well you fell in love with it but VW themselves are falling out of love for it

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/manufactur...%20discontinued.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/volkswagen-ar...-axed-globally/


https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/arteon-dead-rip.html

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post Oct 20 2023, 09:02 AM

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it is a gorgeous looking car. since TS Owner 2 BMW, i think he can tank all those extra maintenances.

So TS go for it, we will be cheering for you from sideline.
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post Oct 20 2023, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Oct 19 2023, 11:34 PM)
This brand and together with Mazda 6, can buy.... Used unit. Price just no logic used unit. Drop like no one need these cars
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One get axed another get revived....

https://www.drive.com.au/news/rear-wheel-dr...rumours-return/


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post Oct 20 2023, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Oct 20 2023, 09:11 AM)
easily +2 years or worst not coming here at all, thanks to Slowpoke Bermaz

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post Oct 20 2023, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Oct 19 2023, 08:54 AM)
TS already got X1 and X3, then buy another BMW la, why go and buy VW?
VW more superior than your BMW in terms of ride?
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both X1 and X3 are bulky. TBH I hated X1, it does look weird, but wifey love it, so happy wife happy life they say. Both SUV, now looking to own sedan.

QUOTE(scorgio @ Oct 19 2023, 08:55 AM)
Don't buy new one.

Get a 1-1.5 yr old. Instantly save 100k.
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Like I said, they do have the gemilang deal atm. so save some headache on maintenance.

QUOTE(kslee79 @ Oct 19 2023, 09:08 AM)
Current owner here since mid 2022. Previously owned a Tiguan MK1.5 year 2013, so I did have my fair share of dealing with peep-peeves of a VAG vehicle.

- Yes, the dealer would put on sport mode for test drive and put on RON97.
- I got a good deal, no SST, full price only RM248K, but only 3 years free maintenance with 5 years warranty. But mine is pre-IQ Drive, so I have to fork another RM3K to do upgrade to Adaptive Cruise Control outside (Euro Retrofit).

Pros:
- Fuel saving
- Premium cabin material, seats are super comfy
- Spacious, for all: self, front & rear passengers. Boot space is a CAVE!
- Multiple drive mode/profiles - can be really sporty and fast
- Frameless door and still good sound insulation
- Great sound system with subwoofer
- Easy to accumulate speeding tickets (is this a PRO?)
- Wireless Android Auto or Apple Carplay out of the box
- IQ Drive with Travel Assist (really takes the stress out of crawling traffic)

Cons:
- Currently the supplied 19" 245 40 Pirelli P-Zero tires are under recall for premature failure
- High maintenance: Oil change (fully synthetic 0W-30), DSG services, HALDEX (4Motion) services
- Known VW issues: ignition coil packs, quick-to-wear front lower arm bushing, ABS speed sensors, evap charcoal canister, plastic coolant pump, plastic oil sump bottom cover.
- When vehicle ages, oil leaks are common.
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this is great! thanks for the elaborated review.

QUOTE(mewhoyou @ Oct 19 2023, 09:10 AM)
no issue for first 24 months... after 24 months you will have sensor failing which cost RM20 each like the water sensor, wheel sensor, light switch, and others. Nothing big if you can deal with small small item like this then ok ... the car is awesome and lovely just a bit "Princess Atitude" but wild in the bed.
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I think I can live with that.

QUOTE(kslee79 @ Oct 19 2023, 05:44 PM)
Can go find on Facebook Volkswagen Arteon Owners Club Malaysia to check out more about ownership experience...
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Sure, will look into it. thanks.

QUOTE(babisotong @ Oct 20 2023, 09:02 AM)
it is a gorgeous looking car. since TS Owner 2 BMW, i think he can tank all those extra maintenances.

So TS go for it, we will be cheering for you from sideline.
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IKR? I saw it few time on the road, damn gorgeous. Went to showroom, with all the lighting and PPF, damn cun.
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post Oct 20 2023, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(kslee79 @ Oct 19 2023, 09:08 AM)
But mine is pre-IQ Drive, so I have to fork another RM3K to do upgrade to Adaptive Cruise Control outside (Euro Retrofit).


- Known VW issues: ignition coil packs, quick-to-wear front lower arm bushing, ABS speed sensors, evap charcoal canister, plastic coolant pump, plastic oil sump bottom cover.
- When vehicle ages, oil leaks are common.
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the RM3k one is just AEB+ACC or the full iQ Drive suite?

Those other issues mentioned, I dont think any Arteon owners have experienced it yet.. only happens on older gen VW's like the Passat B7's
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RM3K gets you ACC. RM4K+ gets you IQ Drive Suite (Travel Assist). Yeah, those are older generation problems.... just sharing.
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post Oct 21 2023, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(kslee79 @ Oct 21 2023, 09:41 AM)
RM3K gets you ACC. RM4K+ gets you IQ Drive Suite (Travel Assist). Yeah, those are older generation problems.... just sharing.
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Pretty reliable? Considering 3rd party installation
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Oct 21 2023, 03:12 AM)
Pretty reliable? Considering 3rd party installation
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So far 1.5 year in, still all good. ACC very useful during crawling jam, can relax a bit.
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yay, suppork
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post Oct 21 2023, 08:43 PM

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saw one in blue recently. looks gorgeous!

would choose this over 3 Series
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ICE is dinosaur.

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2026 all will be reveal

u will ditch ice like ditching Nokia.

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Just go ahead

You never regret

Turbo + DSG will never disappoint you, not to mention its super handsome looking


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QUOTE(NeoNoir @ Oct 21 2023, 08:43 PM)
saw one in blue recently. looks gorgeous!

would choose this over 3 Series
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Its the same one i saw when I fell in love at first sight. I think the blue more or less same as BMW shade of blue.
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post Oct 22 2023, 11:38 AM

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facelift 3 series interior with touch screen is underwhelming imo.

saw a few Arteon at Genting. owners making full use of their rides
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Sorry to dig... Seems lots of 2021 going for under $160k... May i know what the common issue faced so far for this model... Thanks
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I think the earlier cars are only FWD with roughly 200HP.

Only the later Arteon R are AWD with 280HP.
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don't know if possible to make this kind of modification here.. that arteon is one of my dream

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post Aug 16 2024, 01:08 PM

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I xjadi beli Arteon because I dislike the interior. The gear stick look like old car.
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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Aug 16 2024, 08:51 AM)
I think the earlier cars are only FWD with roughly 200HP.

Only the later Arteon R are AWD with 280HP.
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Did they brought that in to Msia?

Couple of years back my hubby was looking to replace his Passat CC, but the spec than was not to our liking. His current passat has much more power and fun to drive compared to arteon that we test drove then.

Yeah they did mention gonna bring in higher spec model, but did they bring it in?

I still like the the Oval rear right on our current passat! wub.gif
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ICE is dinosaur.

most cant see it
2026 all will be reveal

u will ditch ice like ditching Nokia.

We are now entering iPhone 2 era of EV, where most expert think apple smart phone idea are too naive.

2 years later, the game changing Iphone4 sent Nokia Blackberry to their coffin. Samsung Followed and rise with apple.

Market completely ditch symbian even most diehard nokia supporter
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copy first
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QUOTE(Pewufod @ Aug 16 2024, 01:22 PM)
copy first
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remind whole LYN once every month what i say.


1. 2025 Price war going even crazier. - Model 3 equivalant/better (comtender) infinitely closing to RM100k, making alot Car in this segment include ICE become..... trash.

2. Many still sleep in cave, working in KV region think they read the WORLD. hahaha, go EV pioneer country open your eyes.

3. How fast EV Station can sprout, how Govt use EV to dramatically, magically combat City Air Pollution.

4. SOLAR. BATTERY in PV Guangzhou Expo 2024 AUG, just drop 60% price in just 12 months.

5. EV not just future, EV RUN Free if you have SOLAR.

6. NVIDIA, Tesla, Mers, Tons of China EV keep brewing next gen Self-Driving that really keep your hand longer off driving while car moving. Robotaxi input ALOT of data for optimization.

6. E-Hailing Giant all getting themself ready for Human-Driver-less E-Hailing service to Rocket fly their Profit, availability and service quality.

7. Ultra Compact Personal Vehicle on rising on Euro/China. RM20k nice small EV idea never been so Good.


Impossible you guys share my perspective. Because you dont stand where i standing.
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Aug 16 2024, 02:51 PM)
remind whole LYN once every month what i say.
1. 2025 Price war going even crazier.  - Model 3 equivalant/better (comtender) infinitely closing to RM100k, making alot Car in this segment include ICE become..... trash.

2. Many still sleep in cave, working in KV region think they read the WORLD. hahaha, go EV pioneer country open your eyes.

3. How fast EV Station can sprout, how Govt use EV to dramatically, magically combat City Air Pollution.

4. SOLAR. BATTERY in PV Guangzhou Expo 2024 AUG, just drop 60% price in just 12 months.

5. EV not just future, EV RUN Free if you have SOLAR.

6. NVIDIA, Tesla, Mers, Tons of China EV keep brewing next gen Self-Driving that really keep your hand longer off driving while car moving. Robotaxi input ALOT of data for optimization.

6. E-Hailing Giant all getting themself ready for Human-Driver-less E-Hailing service to Rocket fly their Profit, availability and service quality.

7. Ultra Compact Personal Vehicle on rising on Euro/China. RM20k nice small EV idea never been so Good.
Impossible you guys share my perspective. Because you dont stand where i standing.
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And where are you currently standing exactly?
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Aug 16 2024, 03:51 PM)
remind whole LYN once every month what i say.
1. 2025 Price war going even crazier.  - Model 3 equivalant/better (comtender) infinitely closing to RM100k, making alot Car in this segment include ICE become..... trash.

2. Many still sleep in cave, working in KV region think they read the WORLD. hahaha, go EV pioneer country open your eyes.

3. How fast EV Station can sprout, how Govt use EV to dramatically, magically combat City Air Pollution.

4. SOLAR. BATTERY in PV Guangzhou Expo 2024 AUG, just drop 60% price in just 12 months.

5. EV not just future, EV RUN Free if you have SOLAR.

6. NVIDIA, Tesla, Mers, Tons of China EV keep brewing next gen Self-Driving that really keep your hand longer off driving while car moving. Robotaxi input ALOT of data for optimization.

6. E-Hailing Giant all getting themself ready for Human-Driver-less E-Hailing service to Rocket fly their Profit, availability and service quality.

7. Ultra Compact Personal Vehicle on rising on Euro/China. RM20k nice small EV idea never been so Good.
Impossible you guys share my perspective. Because you dont stand where i standing.
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And we all need to smoke the good stuff you are smoking to feel just as delusional🤣
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QUOTE(*lightbringer* @ Aug 16 2024, 01:08 PM)
I xjadi beli Arteon because I dislike the interior. The gear stick look like old car.
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What car you bought in the end?
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QUOTE(Scissorshand @ Aug 15 2024, 11:43 PM)
Sorry to dig... Seems lots of 2021 going for under $160k... May i know what the common issue faced so far for this model... Thanks
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This 2wd ver thats why cheap
No 4motion

QUOTE(Maknusia @ Aug 16 2024, 01:22 PM)
Did they brought that in to Msia?
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Yes check for 4motion ver

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Aug 16 2024, 02:51 PM)
Impossible you guys share my perspective. Because you dont stand where i standing.
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I don't care what's the propulsion source, ICE, EV, Hydrogen or whatsoever. A shit box is a shit box, a proper car is a proper car.

A car is ought to be a car, not a sofa, not a TV.

A luxury shit box with premium interior is still a shit box

EV...hmmm...Show me your Rimac I'll shut up 😜

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QUOTE(Maknusia @ Aug 16 2024, 01:22 PM)
Did they brought that in to Msia?

Couple of years back my hubby was looking to replace his Passat CC, but the spec than was not to our liking. His current passat has much more power and fun to drive compared to arteon that we test drove then.

Yeah they did mention gonna bring in higher spec model, but did they bring it in?

I still like the the Oval rear right on our current passat!  wub.gif
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Yes they do, when they first brought in it had no IQ drive, but added on in 2023 with a price hike

https://<link removed>/2023/05/02/volkswagen-a...cruise-control/

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2 or 3 months ago one SA in Seremban inform Arteon cw rm42k rebates for 2024 unit. 2023 unit also got with greater rebates. But check-in carlist, better buy used instead

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Aug 17 2024, 07:16 PM)
What car you bought in the end?
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Nothing. Stick with my X1 and X3. Although been thinking about VW MK8 for some time now.
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QUOTE(*lightbringer* @ Aug 19 2024, 07:28 AM)
Nothing. Stick with my X1 and X3. Although been thinking about VW MK8 for some time now.
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Both relatively small car. Got kids? If yes can upgrade
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 19 2024, 09:25 AM)
Both relatively small car. Got kids? If yes can upgrade
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VW Arteon is in segment-D which is similar to BMW X3.
If your comparing to X1 yes it is small, but X3 now is under Segment-D which is consider spacious also.
Unless upgrade to VW Touareg than it will be a bigger class.
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 19 2024, 08:25 AM)
Both relatively small car. Got kids? If yes can upgrade
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two kids saja. enough lah i think.

 

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