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post Oct 16 2023, 09:04 AM, updated 3y ago

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An ancient Chinese practice, known as mínghūn, or ghost marriage, has been around for centuries. Though unlike conventional marriage traditions, this one requires at least one of the parties to be dead!

Despite having been banned for many years, the ritual continues to take place in some parts of China, and with it the black market of criminal matchmakers who sell cadavers for this purpose continues to thrive.

In China, there is an ancient tradition known as mínghūn. This is a ghost marriage (or spirit marriage), where one or both parties are deceased.

The origins of the tradition are not exactly known. Some sources date it back to 3,000 years ago, while others say it goes back as far as the 17th century BCE.

The reasons vary, spending on whether it's a man or woman. Having an unwed daughter would be considered shameful for parents.

As for men, it was a matter of carrying on the family lineage. The wife of a deceased man could then adopt a child for this to occur.

Another reason why these weddings would take place was to ensure a younger brother wouldn’t get married before an elder brother.

"The basic ideology behind ghost weddings is that the deceased continue their lives in the afterlife," says Huang Jingchun, head of the Chinese department at Shanghai University.

"So if someone didn't get married when they lived, they still need to be wedded after their death," Huang Jingchun added.

For women who were previously engaged and their fiancé died, they would usually participate in the funeral, become celibate, and move in with their deceased fiancé's family. There are no records indicating that men would do the same.

In the case where one party is deceased, he/she will be represented by effigies made of bamboo, paper, or cloth. They would then wear traditional wedding clothing, as if they were real people.

In the case of two deceased people, both would be represented by funeral plaques (spirit tablets), and their bodies would then be buried together.

According to Ping Yao, a history professor at California State University, these marriages are carried out of a "parental duty to a lost child that reflected Confucian values about loyalty to the family."

The practice of ghost marriages was first banned in Imperial China, and then banned again by the Chinese Communist government in 1949.

They are, however, still practiced illegally in some parts of rural China, and indeed are commonly accepted by some communities.

Here is an example of a prayer said in afterlife weddings: "So and so, I hereby inform you: You died at young age and thus did not realize the great principle of marriage. You sleep alone in the dark world and lack the intimacy of man and woman. Just as living people long for companionship, the dead fear loneliness as well. Unexpectedly, so and so's family had a daughter who just passed away like an autumn leaf. We sent a betrothal for you so your souls might meet. We selected this auspicious day for the rite of your union. We also set out an offering next to your shrine tablet, furnished with all kinds of food. Please send your spirit down to the banquet and eat the meal."

Finding a suitable ghost bride is particularly hard because there are substantially more men than women in China.

And things get even harder for men who live in rural areas, where many women leave to study, work, and start a new life in the city.

In places such as the Shanxi and Shaanxi provinces, which primarily lived off coal mining and where women are scarce, female corpses became a sought-after commodity.

So much so that when one young woman dies, many families with deceased sons rush to bid for their corpses.

"Usually when the auction is over and the girl's family promises to deliver her body to the winning parents, the girl is still alive," explains Wang Yong, who works at a Shanxi hospital.

Reportedly, around 30 years ago, a female corpse would cost somewhere around 5,000 yuan (approximately US$742), but the price skyrocketed, leading to grave robberies and murders.

The South China Morning Post reported that in 2009, a grieving father from Shaanxi paid 33,000 yuan (US$4,896) for grave robbers to find a bride for his deceased son who had perished in a car accident.

In 2013, four men were arrested for stealing 10 female corpses, which were to be sold on the ghost marriage black market for around US$30,800 total.

In October 2014, 11 people were arrested in eastern China for digging up female corpses from a village in Shandong province.

“Years-old carcasses are not worth a damn, while the ones that have just died, like this one, are valuable,” said a man named Wang, the lead suspect of the crime.

In 2015, the bodies of 14 female corpses were stolen in one village in the Shanxi province of China.

According to research conducted by Shanghai University, the price paid for a female cadaver back then would be around 30,000 to 50,000 yuan (approximately US$4,451 to $7,418). Though it’s estimated that they could go up to 100,000 yuan (US$14,837).

In 2016, a man named Ma Chonghua killed two women and sold their bodies for 40,000 yuan (US$5,934) each for ghost marriages.

While most ghost marriages are performed in rural areas of northern and central China, the ritual has been reported among the Chinese community in other countries across Asia, including Singapore and Taiwan.

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post Oct 16 2023, 09:08 AM

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the best thing about Chinese traditional culture is you make deal even after you are dead.
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how to piap first nite?
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QUOTE(pinkfoxlulu @ Oct 16 2023, 09:11 AM)
how to  piap first nite?
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use spiritual kuku and vagina
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post Oct 16 2023, 09:13 AM

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there are dark side of story at China about this, someone get money and steal yg lady crops to perform ghost marriage, the young lady body will burried togather with the male as wife and husbad without agree from the lady family, they cheated the lady famiy.
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post Oct 16 2023, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(bengang15 @ Oct 16 2023, 10:10 AM)
Still got? Crazy
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Yes, still got.

Even in Malaysia also got but they don't pay or go to the extreme of stealing bodies like in China.

I heard that two families arrange for such marriage before because both their son and daughter already pass away without marriage.

The two families actually become like relatives after the ghost wedding where they meet up during festivals.
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QUOTE(pinkfoxlulu @ Oct 16 2023, 09:11 AM)
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use hen and cheken as symbolic for the ceremony and let them in one room overnight, this chicken cannot slaughter in 100 days, if lay eggs also cannot eat must let it hatch.
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QUOTE(pinkfoxlulu @ Oct 16 2023, 10:11 AM)
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If both also dead, they are supposed to piap in the netherworld but if one party (usually the lady) is still alive, then the wedding night will be damn scary.

Dunno got ham sap kwai come when the lady is asleep.
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Are there succubi among the traditional Chinese ghosts? brows.gif
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QUOTE(smallbug @ Oct 16 2023, 09:21 AM)
Are there succubi among the traditional Chinese ghosts?  brows.gif
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The fox spirit.
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QUOTE(bengang15 @ Oct 16 2023, 09:10 AM)
Still got? Crazy
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Why not? Afterlife is once very important to the Chinese.

Custom is hard to die off.
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QUOTE(Blackscreamerz @ Oct 16 2023, 10:26 AM)
Why not? Afterlife is once very important to the Chinese.

Custom is hard to die off.
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There's no real harm is its willing buyer willing seller.

At least the parents of the deceased feel that they accomplish something for their dead children.
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Oct 16 2023, 09:30 AM)
There's no real harm is its willing buyer willing seller.

At least the parents of the deceased feel that they accomplish something for their dead children.
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Yea, and since civil administration doesnt recognize such arrangement, the individual family will tanggung on its own.

But to go to the extent of stealing and auctioning the still alive daughter as ghost bride, there is only that much of respects left for such custom.


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Used to read Pu Songling's Strange Tales from a Chinese Studio as a kid. All these supernatural stuff makes for a great read.
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the land where money & loyalty first...
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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Oct 16 2023, 09:36 AM)
Used to read Pu Songling's Strange Tales from a Chinese Studio as a kid. All these supernatural stuff makes for a great read.
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Thats how Russell Lee milks his way to Book 26.
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QUOTE(imboss.. @ Oct 16 2023, 10:37 AM)
the land where money & loyalty first...
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You do know that it is still practice here in Malaysia too
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QUOTE(Blackscreamerz @ Oct 16 2023, 09:38 AM)
Thats how Russell Lee milks his way to Book 26.
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There are at least 400+ tales in Pu Song Ling's canon. Not to mention a whole slew of imitators and predecessors, but Pu Song Ling's is considered by many to be the best. But it's not just ghost stories for scaring little kids. A lot of his stories got a strong moral core.
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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Oct 16 2023, 09:51 AM)
There are at least 400+ tales in Pu Song Ling's canon. Not to mention a whole slew of imitators and predecessors, but Pu Song Ling's is considered by many to be the best. But it's not just ghost stories for scaring little kids. A lot of his stories got a strong moral core.
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Actually what i trying to say is we all love ghost stories or more correctly supernatural tales.

Liao Zhai stories are indeed very nice. Is there an English version out there now?
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Is this based on Chinese legend, tie a red string between a man and a banana tree so that man malam malam dapat piap.

Read this from a HK comic. Then smex scene hnnnngh
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QUOTE(Blackscreamerz @ Oct 16 2023, 10:19 AM)
Actually what i trying to say is we all love ghost stories or more correctly supernatural tales.

Liao Zhai stories are indeed very nice. Is there an English version out there now?
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The Victorian era Giles translation is freely available for download. But it's a bowdlerised version of the original, i.e. the more salacious details have been toned down. I'm looking for a more recent translation as well. I heard the Sondergard version is the most complete version to date. .
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Oct 16 2023, 10:21 AM)
Is this based on Chinese legend, tie a red string between a man and a banana tree so that man malam malam dapat piap.

Read this from a HK comic. Then smex scene hnnnngh
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itu bukan nanyang side chinese ghost story?

i think ori china doesnt have this.
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QUOTE(pinkfoxlulu @ Oct 16 2023, 09:11 AM)
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Daoshi will call the spirit into his body and then ....
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QUOTE(pinkfoxlulu @ Oct 16 2023, 09:11 AM)
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Tats y /ktard like to piap piap test drive 1st, wanna marry or not later decide.
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Oct 16 2023, 09:14 AM)
Yes, still got.

Even in Malaysia also got but they don't pay or go to the extreme of stealing bodies like in China.

I heard that two families arrange for such marriage before because both their son and daughter already pass away without marriage.

The two families actually become like relatives after the ghost wedding where they meet up during festivals.
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In this case I think it's acceptable if it brings closure to the family. Just don't kill and steel dead bodies.
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QUOTE(Blackscreamerz @ Oct 16 2023, 09:26 AM)
Why not? Afterlife is once very important to the Chinese.

Custom is hard to die off.
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I know. I am ok with custom. Just don't go stealing and killing.
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Got people kena NTR by ghost?
Or NTR ghost?
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QUOTE(bengang15 @ Oct 16 2023, 09:10 AM)
Still got? Crazy
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CCP try to eradicate all this thru cultural Revolution but still got some ppl practice it, like a cancer very hard to fully eradicate
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Inb4 erotic ghost story
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Basically a culture at clearly portrays what kind of obsessed freak we Chinese are when it comes to possession of the other sex, due to sex. In the end that is still what we insanely crave for despite shaming the Japs that invaded us easily; for whatever shit they did sexually.

This also explains why even a gilf has been ran through by tyrones and chads, obtaining high mileage on the odometer - is still marketable to the Chinese. Its awkward as it defies the sexual law, but it is how it is.

Inb4 eternal ghost of asia.

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QUOTE(joe_star @ Oct 16 2023, 12:25 PM)
CCP try to eradicate all this thru cultural Revolution but still got some ppl practice it, like a cancer very hard to fully eradicate
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What I meant crazy is the stealing and killing. I am in fact supportive of custom practices if it bring closure to family.
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So scary
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QUOTE(Blackscreamerz @ Oct 16 2023, 10:53 AM)
itu bukan nanyang side chinese ghost story?

i think ori china doesnt have this.
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It’s HK comic though. I think I read it in early 2000s.
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Interesting tales. Now in China dowries are so expensive for actual physically bodied wife.

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The heck, auction and grave robbing. Mati also susah.

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Oct 16 2023, 10:04 AM)
While most ghost marriages are performed in rural areas of northern and central China, the ritual has been reported among the Chinese community in other countries across Asia, including Singapore and Taiwan.

https://www.msn.com/en-my/lifestyle/travel/...5&ei=40#image=1
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Singapore also still got practice? Malaysia how?
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QUOTE(pinkfoxlulu @ Oct 16 2023, 09:11 AM)
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Prepare 2 sex dolls.
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The heck, auction and grave robbing. Mati also susah.

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Singapore also still got practice? Malaysia how?
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Got. I heard from a friend who worked for funeral service company.

Got two families decide to do it. Daughter and son died.

After that the two families become really like families where they gather during festivities.

The son died early from some disease while the daughter died in car accident.

They found a Taoist priest and used chicken like in movies for the wedding ceremony.

 

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