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Company Name PERUSAHAAN OTOMOBIL NASIONAL SDN. BHD.
Company Registration No. 0100995U / 198301005788
Nature of Business MANUFACTURING, ASSEMBLING AND SELLING MOTOR VEHICLES AND RELATED PRODUCTS
Date of Registration 1983-05-07
State SELANGOR


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Proton was established in 1983 as a joint venture between HICOM, Mitsubishi Motors Corporation, and Mitsubishi Corporation to bring the grand dream of a ‘national car’ to life.


And in 1985, the Proton Saga rolled out — hailed as Malaysia’s very own first car, though in reality it was little more than a rebadged Mitsubishi, delivered with generous hand-holding and technical babysitting from its Japanese partners.





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Model LANCER Evolution Ⅲ
Overall Length 4,310 mm
Overall Width 1,695 mm
Engine Model 4G63 4-cylinder DOHC turbo
Displacement 1,997 cc
Maximum Output 270 ps
Maximum Torque 45.0 kg-m




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Launching the WAJA — the first Proton model to be largely designed and engineered in-house — in 2000 and the GEN-2 — powered by the first engine developed by the company itself — in 2004, the company continues to build up its engineering and technical capabilities and today enjoys wide-based support from the Malaysian population as a symbol of the country's on-going industrialization.


For 40 years, we, the Malaysian people, have suffered from high car prices, primarily due to Proton. Interestingly, when we examine car prices over the past four decades, it's evident that they haven't increased significantly despite inflation.

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Before the invention of Proton, car prices were considerably cheaper in Malaysia before 1983.


The moment Proton was created, the old government decided to introduce a tax which can make foreign vehicle prices to increase for Malaysians by no choice to support and buy Proton cars. This causes the car price to be among the second highest(2nd) in the world after Singapore.



Proton had been protected 40 years through higher taxes on imported cars since it was first established in 1983. This protectionist policy has deterred foreign investors from investing in the country’s automobile market.

We need to revisit this policy of imposing higher taxes on imported cars. Revise the import tax structure on vehicles.


This can be illustrated by comparing prices in the United States.


A 2014 Honda Accord 2.4 and Toyota Camry 2.5, for instance, were priced at USD$22,000.


A 2023 Toyota Camry LE: starts at USD $26,220.

Even top-of-the-line cars in Malaysia cost only around RM60,000. This indicates that, in reality, car prices haven't experienced substantial inflation over the past 40 years.


We used to be able to purchase a brand new Toyota Corolla or Nissan Sunny for perhaps around RM40,000, which is only a modest increase from the RM20,000 of two decades ago.

For four decades, we've been paying considerably high prices to safeguard Proton's interests. Moreover, Proton receives hundreds of millions in grants from our government every few years, which are funded by our hard-earned taxpayer money.

Considering all the protectionism and the suffering that all 34.4 million Malaysians have endured due to overpriced cars, one might expect more from Proton than simply rebadging an outdated Honda,Mitsubishi,Suzuki,Renault,Volvo and Citroen.

Is there no sense of xxxxxx,Proton?


It's quite disheartening. We've suffered for four decades, and all Proton can offer is a rebadged vehicle.


What are your engineers and designers working on?




As Malaysians, we have the right to know, especially since we've been paying elevated car prices for 40 years, and our taxpayer money has been directed to Proton in the form of grants. This is indeed disheartening.

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Proton has consistently been an assembled car brand, and it's regrettable that they have relied on technology from other companies.


Nevertheless, the founder of Proton has always maintained that Malaysia could produce a national car entirely independently. How much has been spent over the past 40 years?


Billions of Malaysian Ringgit have been invested.



Proton has had collaborations with


Mitsubishi (Saga, Wira, 1.6L Waja, Arena pickup,
Perdana, Putra, Juara van, Inspira),


Lotus Campro ( Waja, GEN•2, Iriz, Savvy, Persona, Saga,Suprima S ),

Citroën (Tiara),

Renault (1.2L Savvy, 1.8L Waja),

Suzuki (Ertiga),

Honda ( 2nd generation Perdana from 8th accord), and


Geely (X70,X50,X90, S50,S70).




The 2nd generation Proton Perdana is based on the 8th generation Honda Accord.


The Proton Waja production included three different variants, each equipped with one of three different engines:

the 1.6-liter Mitsubishi 4G18,
the 1.6-liter Proton CamPro S4PH/CPS,
and the 1.8-liter Renault F4P.


Company Collaboration Models
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1. Mitsubishi (1983 - 2015) Saga, Wira, 1.6L Waja, Arena pickup, Perdana, Putra, Juara van, Inspira 1.8L & 2.0L ( October 2010 – April 2015 )
2. Citroën Tiara
3. Renault 1.2L Savvy, 1.8L Waja
4. Honda 2nd generation Proton Perdana (based on the 8th generation Honda Accord)
5. Suzuki Ertiga (2016 until 2019)
6. Lotus Campro Waja 1.6L, GEN•2, Iriz, Savvy, Persona, Saga, Exora, Preve 1.6L, Suprima S 1.6L
7. Geely X70, X50, X90, S50 (2023 November) ,S70(December 2023 )


Total 7 companies !!!!!
World record!!!!!



From 2018 until now, they have been partnered with Geely/Volvo.


The 2nd generation Proton Perdana is a mid-sized four-door saloon manufactured by the Malaysian company Proton.


It was unveiled on December 11, 2013, as the successor to the original Proton Perdana.



The 2nd generation Perdana is a rebadged and reengineered version of the 8th generation Honda Accord.



Spending 40 years in this industry without improvement is a waste of money and doesn't prioritize safety.



Source:

https://mywheels.my/articles/%E7%BB%BC%E5%9...%8A%9F%E5%8A%B3




X70 baru.. terbakar. Plastik pun belum bukak lagi. 😅


Lokasi: Puspakom Alor Gajah







Proton says X90 rear fire not caused by mild hybrid battery, still under investigation

August 23, 2023


Proton's 40-year history is kind of like a little joke. They often took existing cars and tech from other companies, put their Proton name on them, and called them their own.


It's like saying, 'Why make something new when you can just borrow it?'



So, for a long time, Proton has been part of this 'rebadging joke,' making us wonder if it's truly a Proton or just someone else's car with a new label.


Proton borrow ideas from other manufacturers rather than creating entirely original products.




Malaysia's Khazanah selling Proton stake for $412 mln to DRB

January 16, 2012


KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 16 (Reuters) - Malaysian state investment arm Khazanah Nasional said on Monday it will sell a

42.7 percent stake in car maker Proton Holdings


to autos-to property conglomerate DRB-Hicom Bhd for 1.291 billion ringgit ($411.87 million).

Khazanah said the divestment was made with a


price consideration of 5.50 ringgit per Proton share


and DRB-Hicom, which is linked to Malaysian tycoon Syed Mokhtar Al-Bukhary, will have to take a mandatory general offer on the remaining Proton shares.



It was not immediately clear if the deal was all cash or cash and stock.

Proton and DRB-Hicom shares were earlier suspended from trading. ($1 = 3.1345 ringgit)






March 15, 2012

Malaysian company DRB-Hicom's shareholders have approved the company's acquisition of a 42.74% interest in Proton Holdings. The group will acquire this stake from Khazanah Nasional.




The group expects to complete this acquisition within seven days from today, 15 March.


Following the acquisition of this stake, DRB-Hicom will own 50.01% of Proton.


Proton Holdings Bhd (5304) will be delisted from Bursa Malaysia.


Proton delisted from Malaysia’s Stock Exchange


May 24, 2012



The local Automotive Focus Group (AFG) reports that Proton has been delisted from Bursa Malaysia, almost 8 years since joining the local stock exchange, after new owners DRB-Hicom succeeded in securing 98.6 percent (as at April 26) of Proton shares, above the threshold of 90 percent required to privatize Proton.


Starting with the buying of a 42.74 percent stake in Proton from Khazanah Nasional Bhd at RM 5.50 a share early this year,


DRB-Hicom then launched a mandatory general offer for the remaining shares it did not own, valuing Proton at RM 3.02 billion.


With 98.6 percent now in hand, DRB-Hicom can compulsorily acquire the 1.4 percent still with investors.

Without the public eye of scrutiny, DRB-Hicom will have the flexibility to embark on long-term plans to make Proton a more profitable company, and not worry about short-term results that the stock market players are more concerned about.



Approvals from shareholders on any future corporate exercises will no longer be needed once Proton becomes private.


2016 Proton Saga 1.3 FLX





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If there's a way to piss old man.

Shut down p1 and focus p2 instead.
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semua sarahan atok yang sudah luput tapi tak luput lagi
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Oct 12 2023, 12:07 AM)
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You also suffer proton car before?


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May you share the stories?

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Blame Tun M. Thank God he does not create Luxury Marque under Proton.

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Why are we now paying high car prices to plotek a China carmaker? Or a bunch of fruity AP holders?

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QUOTE(MaybachS600 @ Oct 12 2023, 12:14 AM)
Blame Tun M. Thank God he does not create Luxury Marque under Proton.
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The X50's sales numbers are almost catching up to Saga's sales.



Company Name PERUSAHAAN OTOMOBIL NASIONAL SDN. BHD.
Company Registration No. 0100995U / 198301005788
Nature of Business MANUFACTURING, ASSEMBLING AND SELLING MOTOR VEHICLES AND RELATED PRODUCTS
Date of Registration 1983-May-07
State SELANGOR





Proton 2022 Sales Model Sales Note
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1 Saga 55,878
2 X50 40,681 Best Selling B-Segment SUV
3 X70 18,533 Best Selling C-Segment SUV
4 Persona 16,375
5 Iriz 5,708
6 Exora 4,275 Best Selling C-Segment MPV
Total 141,432 Second place in Malaysia



Proton's 40-year history is kind of like a little joke. They often took existing cars and tech from other companies, put their Proton name on them, and called them their own.


It's like saying, 'Why make something new when you can just borrow it?'



So, for a long time, Proton has been part of this 'rebadging joke,' making us wonder if it's truly a Proton or just someone else's car with a new label.


Proton borrow ideas from other manufacturers rather than creating entirely original products.

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Proton is a disgrace

tongkat potek scare competition
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QUOTE(bristlebb @ Oct 12 2023, 12:17 AM)
Proton is a disgrace

tongkat potek scare competition
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Proton has a history of employing a practice that involves taking existing cars or technologies from other manufacturers, making minimal changes, such as replacing the logo and branding, and then introducing these rebranded products to the market.


The world's number one rebranded "car manufacturer"

Proton!!!!

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Oct 12 2023, 12:13 AM)
You also suffer proton car before?
May you share the stories?
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2003, Potong-Stim Iswalah LMSS with big exhaust from factory
apart from the noise it makes, which was the only fun part, that car suffered the following

after only 6 months old
18000 km

it died outside carrefour subang
jeng jeng jeng thumbup.gif

that time don't have smartphone to find tow truck on demand.
abandoned car and took KTM home
walk almost 2km home in the dark sweat.gif

next day call tow truck
confirmed is driveshaft patah

mind you, not 30 years old car
even old datsun floor rustbucket like shite can see the tar, also never driveshaft patah after 30 years rclxub.gif

--and the usual complaints about power-less windows
--fish tank in spare tyre compartment need to pop out the milo tin cover and hang an old sock there whistling.gif

QUOTE(dickybird @ Oct 12 2023, 12:15 AM)
Why are we now paying high car prices to plotek a China carmaker? Or a bunch of fruity AP holders?
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Oct 12 2023, 12:21 AM)
2003, Potong-Stim Iswalah LMSS with big exhaust from factory
apart from the noise it makes, which was the only fun part, that car suffered the following

after only 6 months old
18000 km

it died outside carrefour subang
jeng jeng jeng  thumbup.gif

that time don't have smartphone to find tow truck on demand.
abandoned car and took KTM home
walk almost 2km home in the dark sweat.gif

next day call tow truck
confirmed is driveshaft patah

mind you, not 30 years old car
even old datsun floor rustbucket like shite can see the tar, also never driveshaft patah after 30 years  rclxub.gif

--and the usual complaints about power-less windows
--fish tank in spare tyre compartment need to pop out the milo tin cover and hang an old sock there  whistling.gif
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fish tank in spare tyre compartment need to pop out the milo tin cover and hang an old sock there


What means?

Such a terrible exprience
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Cars are not expensive we're just poor.

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Oct 12 2023, 12:26 AM)
fish tank in spare tyre compartment need to pop out the milo tin cover and hang an old sock there
What means?

Such a terrible exprience
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means u pop the drain cover
but that thing is useless one its like on off the drain hole only.. either fully open or fully sealed

because of the rubber seal or dunno what blessed water retention policy the car has it will forever be collecting water
so that means i need it to be able to drain all the time WITHOUT letting mickey mouse/roaches in.

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QUOTE(dickybird @ Oct 12 2023, 12:15 AM)
Why are we now paying high car prices to plotek a China carmaker? Or a bunch of fruity AP holders?
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If no safety issue oklah

But now car on fire..

At puspakom...



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Reliable Value for Money Workhorse


First, the weaknesses: noisy suspension and dashboard. However, the price point offers a 40% discount compared to a Mitsubishi Lancer 2.0.


It features an efficient MIVEC engine.


I haven't replaced a single part besides the usual regular maintenance. With a mileage of 120k after 7 years, I'm still using fully synthetic 5W40 engine oil. I changed the stock Proton transmission CVT oil to J4.


The spark plugs are still in good condition since day one, which is amazing.

Some soundproofing and changing the brake caliper pins to silicone-coated ones would enhance the quiet driving experience. Oh, and the Lotus handling is superb.



"Affordable, Playable, and Fun to Drive Family Car

I bought this car from a used car dealer, and although the previous owner didn't really take care of it, the car is fun to drive and rev-happy. I purchased a manual 1.8 version.

During city driving, I never rev it over 3k, which makes it a fuel-efficient car. On the highway, revving at least 4k provides a smooth and safe feeling.


The highest speed I've reached so far is nearly 200 km/h. I recommend it to those who wish to have a fun and easily modifiable car in an affordable way."




The smart guy gets it: Mitsubishi quality with Proton ride and handling. It's a rare combination – a 1.8 L engine with a 5-speed manual gearbox.


[SIZE=14]
MIVEC (Mitsubishi Innovative Valve timing Electronic Control system)[/SIZE=14]




I've had the car for 10 years with no major issues, except for one instance when it was in the workshop due to a clutch pump failure

It's economical to run, comfortable for long-distance trips, and powerful enough for a spirited drive.

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proton really did end up a national disgrace.

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QUOTE(smallgiant @ Oct 12 2023, 12:28 AM)
Cars are not expensive we're just poor.
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The moment Proton was created, the old government decided to introduce a tax which can make foreign vehicle prices to increase for Malaysians by no choice to support and buy Proton cars.



This causes the car price to be among the second highest(2nd) in the world after Singapore.






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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Oct 12 2023, 12:36 AM)
The moment Proton was created, the old government decided to introduce a tax which can make foreign vehicle prices to increase for Malaysians by no choice to support and buy Proton cars.
This causes the car price to be among the second highest(2nd) in the world after Singapore.
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it should not have been created in the first place
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Oct 12 2023, 12:40 AM)
it should not have been created in the first place
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Now x70,x90,x50 many case fire


Do you think what is best way to solve proton quality?
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Oct 12 2023, 12:43 AM)
Now x70,x90,x50 many case fire
Do you think what is best way to solve proton quality?
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QUOTE(Chisinlouz @ Oct 12 2023, 12:02 AM)
If there's a way to piss old man.

Shut down p1 and focus p2 instead.
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PMX already did starting with Tesla Model Y being cheapest in the world sold here.


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QUOTE(h@ksam @ Oct 12 2023, 12:57 AM)
PMX already did starting with Tesla Model Y being cheapest in the world sold here.
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Tesla is the first manufacturer to sell in Malaysia under the country’s Battery Electric Vehicles Global Leaders initiative, which provides special concessions to EV manufacturers.

Normally, foreign-made cars can only be sold through a local partner, and sellers must comply with Malaysia’s affirmative action policies toward the so-called Bumiputera, members of the Malay majority and indigenous groups.

But Tesla, under Malaysia’s scheme, can sell directly to consumers without a local partner.

The three Tesla Model Y variants available for the Malaysian market are:

Tesla Model Y Standard Range RWD – RM199,000
Tesla Model Y Long Range AWD – RM246,000
Tesla Model Y Performance AWD – RM288,000


How many tax imposed???



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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Oct 12 2023, 12:16 AM)
Proton's 40-year history is kind of like a little joke. They often took existing cars and tech from other companies, put their Proton name on them, and called them their own.
It's like saying, 'Why make something new when you can just borrow it?'
So, for a long time, Proton has been part of this 'rebadging joke,' making us wonder if it's truly a Proton or just someone else's car with a new label.
Proton borrow ideas from other manufacturers rather than creating entirely original products.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Oct 12 2023, 12:36 AM)
The moment Proton was created, the old government decided to introduce a tax which can make foreign vehicle prices to increase for Malaysians by no choice to support and buy Proton cars.
This causes the car price to be among the second highest(2nd) in the world after Singapore.
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I saw car wow vid some time ago, price of a camry in the UK isn't that much lower than here.
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Actually our prices seem normal

Toyota Corolla Cross (top spec)

Malaysia = MYR 142k
Thailand = THB 1,204k = MYR 156k
Brunei = BND 51.6k = MYR 179k
Vietnam = VND 860m = MYR 166k
Indonesia = IDR 608.4m = MYR 183k
Philippines = PHP 1,844k = MYR 153k
Australia = AUD 44.9k = MYR 135k
Japan = JPY 2,990k = MYR 95k
USA = USD 31k = MYR 149k
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QUOTE(h@ksam @ Oct 12 2023, 12:57 AM)
PMX already did starting with Tesla Model Y being cheapest in the world sold here.
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This is not a car typical public can buy.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Oct 11 2023, 11:59 PM)
For 40 years, we, the Malaysian people, have suffered from high car prices, primarily due to Proton. Interestingly, when we examine car prices over the past four decades, it's evident that they haven't increased significantly despite inflation.
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Lol, I thought CCP was being hailed as saviour of Proton?

Now CCP pun sudah enjoy tongkat at our expense.

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QUOTE(FlamingFox @ Oct 12 2023, 02:04 AM)
Actually our prices seem normal

Toyota Corolla Cross (top spec)

Malaysia = MYR 142k
Thailand = THB 1,204k = MYR 156k
Brunei = BND 51.6k = MYR 179k
Vietnam = VND 860m = MYR 166k
Indonesia = IDR 608.4m = MYR 183k
Philippines = PHP 1,844k = MYR 153k
Australia = AUD 44.9k = MYR 135k
Japan = JPY 2,990k = MYR 95k
USA = USD 31k = MYR 149k
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Yep, need to accept the fact that we are poor.
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QUOTE(FlamingFox @ Oct 12 2023, 02:04 AM)
Actually our prices seem normal

Toyota Corolla Cross (top spec)

Malaysia = MYR 142k
Thailand = THB 1,204k = MYR 156k
Brunei = BND 51.6k = MYR 179k
Vietnam = VND 860m = MYR 166k
Indonesia = IDR 608.4m = MYR 183k
Philippines = PHP 1,844k = MYR 153k
Australia = AUD 44.9k = MYR 135k
Japan = JPY 2,990k = MYR 95k
USA = USD 31k = MYR 149k
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this is because our currency is soo weak.

if our currency =3.1 (10 years ago =2013) , then Toyota Corolla Cross (top spec) is about RM 120k.



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so x70 now no free umbrella? free fire extinguisher biggrin.gif
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best of Proton years were with Mitsubishi.

now Girly have lots of issues with the X series , S series duno yet , S50 launching soon , 70+ k , might as well go for the P2 version of the Vios , also below 80k
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Are proton still getting government grant every year?
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 12 2023, 06:00 AM)
best of Proton years were with Mitsubishi.

now Girly have lots of issues with the X series , S series duno yet , S50 launching soon , 70+ k , might as well go for the P2 version of the Vios , also below 80k
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P2 version of the Vios , also below 80k

When out?

Not bezza?


https://<link removed>/2023/01/31/no-new-perod...-axia-says-ceo/

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Why are we now paying high car prices to plotek a China carmaker? Or a bunch of fruity AP holders?
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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Oct 12 2023, 05:13 AM)
this is because our currency is soo weak.

if our currency =3.1 (10 years ago =2013) , then Toyota Corolla Cross (top spec) is about  RM 120k.
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Just cukur they still maintain price and not suddenly announce overnight price increase to 170k
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Ts want less tax on car? Yes can. But follow those European countries, salary payslip with 46-50% monthly cut all for including tax.
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QUOTE(MaybachS600 @ Oct 12 2023, 12:14 AM)
Blame Tun M. Thank God he does not create Luxury Marque under Proton.
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simple answer: government print more money as per how many car that is imported/sold
thats why we see ringgit depreciated against time
more car imported = more ringgit depreciated
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Ts want less tax on car? Yes can. But follow those European countries, salary payslip with 46-50% monthly cut all for including tax.
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Because they have high income tax?
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simple answer: government print more money as per how many car that is imported/sold
thats why we see ringgit depreciated against time
more car imported = more ringgit depreciated
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Malaysia can print money?

Not only usa print money?
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Proton was created for sole purpose of grooming cronies.

Car industry requires thousand of parts. Doing the Proton project created alot of spare parts manufacturers in Msia (or even import parts), these cronies supplied parts to Proton at high price …

Even when Proton losing money, gov will pump in money to help.

Indirectly this project is sucking Rakyat money to pay cronies and politicians …

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Proton was created for sole purpose of grooming cronies.

Car industry requires thousand of parts. Doing the Proton project created alot of spare parts manufacturers in Msia (or even import parts), these cronies supplied parts to Proton at high price …

Even when Proton losing money, gov will pump in money to help.

Indirectly this project is sucking Rakyat money to pay cronies and politicians …
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Proton is like NEP. It was supposed to be temporary so that it can survive and thrive later on. Mana tau it become like drug, just rely on it to survive and do nothing.

Look at the Korean and China car companies, all started by rebadging also. You know the rest.

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National disgrace and 2nd highest automobile price in ...wait for it the world.

Sohai siape?

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Because they have high income tax?
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means u pop the drain cover
but that thing is useless one its like on off the drain hole only.. either fully open or fully sealed

because of the rubber seal or dunno what blessed water retention policy the car has it will forever be collecting water
so that means i need it to be able to drain all the time WITHOUT letting mickey mouse/roaches in.
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Why are we now paying high car prices to plotek a China carmaker? Or a bunch of fruity AP holders?
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last time during saga, wira time , it was ok and acceptable.

now , the x series are a shame. stop the tongkat la. pay so much for substandard car.
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it wasn't wring to begin with. But when Proron was so rich they didn't develop the company and went into longkang. Typical Malaysian mentality, ada wang enjoy dulu.
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last time during saga, wira time , it was ok and acceptable.

now , the x series are a shame. stop the tongkat la. pay so much for substandard car.
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For 40 years, we, the Malaysian people, have suffered from high car prices, primarily due to Proton. Interestingly, when we examine car prices over the past four decades, it's evident that they haven't increased significantly despite inflation.
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Before the invention of Proton, car prices were considerably cheaper in Malaysia before 1983.
The moment Proton was created, the old government decided to introduce a tax which can make foreign vehicle prices to increase for Malaysians by no choice to support and buy Proton cars. This causes the car price to be among the second highest(2nd) in the world after Singapore.
Proton had been protected 40 years through higher taxes on imported cars since it was first established in 1983. This protectionist policy has deterred foreign investors from investing in the country’s automobile market.

We need to revisit this policy of imposing higher taxes on imported cars. Revise the import tax structure on vehicles.
This can be illustrated by comparing prices in the United States.
A 2014 Honda Accord 2.4 and Toyota Camry 2.5, for instance, were priced at USD$22,000.
A 2023 Toyota Camry LE: starts at USD $26,220.

Even top-of-the-line cars in Malaysia cost only around RM60,000. This indicates that, in reality, car prices haven't experienced substantial inflation over the past 40 years.
We used to be able to purchase a brand new Toyota Corolla or Nissan Sunny for perhaps around RM40,000, which is only a modest increase from the RM20,000 of two decades ago.

For four decades, we've been paying considerably high prices to safeguard Proton's interests. Moreover, Proton receives hundreds of millions in grants from our government every few years, which are funded by our hard-earned taxpayer money.

Considering all the protectionism and the suffering that all 34.4 million Malaysians have endured due to overpriced cars, one might expect more from Proton than simply rebadging an outdated Honda,Mitsubishi,Suzuki,Renault,Volvo and Citroen.

Is there no sense of xxxxxx,Proton?
It's quite disheartening. We've suffered for four decades, and all Proton can offer is a rebadged vehicle.
What are your engineers and designers working on?
As Malaysians, we have the right to know, especially since we've been paying elevated car prices for 40 years, and our taxpayer money has been directed to Proton in the form of grants. This is indeed disheartening.

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Proton has consistently been an assembled car brand, and it's regrettable that they have relied on technology from other companies.
Nevertheless, the founder of Proton has always maintained that Malaysia could produce a national car entirely independently. How much has been spent over the past 40 years?
Billions of Malaysian Ringgit have been invested.
Proton has had collaborations with
Mitsubishi (Saga, Wira, 1.6L Waja, Arena pickup,
Perdana, Putra, Juara van, Inspira),
Lotus Campro ( Waja, GEN•2, Iriz, Savvy, Persona, Saga,Suprima S ),

Citroën (Tiara),

Renault (1.2L Savvy, 1.8L Waja),

Suzuki (Ertiga),

Honda ( 2nd generation Perdana from 8th accord), and
Geely (X70,X50,X90, S50).
The 2nd generation Proton Perdana is based on the 8th generation Honda Accord.
The Proton Waja production included three different variants, each equipped with one of three different engines:

the 1.6-liter Mitsubishi 4G18,
the 1.6-liter Proton CamPro S4PH/CPS,
and the 1.8-liter Renault F4P.
Company        Collaboration Models                                 
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1. Mitsubishi (1983 - 2015) Saga, Wira, 1.6L Waja, Arena pickup, Perdana, Putra, Juara van, Inspira 1.8L & 2.0L ( October 2010 – April 2015 )
2. Citroën    Tiara                                                 
3. Renault    1.2L Savvy, 1.8L Waja                                 
4. Honda      2nd generation Proton Perdana (based on the 8th generation Honda Accord)
5. Suzuki      Ertiga (2016 until 2019)                             
6. Lotus Campro Waja 1.6L, GEN•2, Iriz, Savvy, Persona, Saga, Exora, Preve 1.6L, Suprima S 1.6L
7. Geely      X70, X50, X90, S50 (2023 November)                     
Total 7 companies !!!!!
World record!!!!!
From 2018 until now, they have been partnered with Geely/Volvo.
The 2nd generation Proton Perdana is a mid-sized four-door saloon manufactured by the Malaysian company Proton.
It was unveiled on December 11, 2013, as the successor to the original Proton Perdana.
The 2nd generation Perdana is a rebadged and reengineered version of the 8th generation Honda Accord.
Spending 40 years in this industry without improvement is a waste of money and doesn't prioritize safety.



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https://mywheels.my/articles/%E7%BB%BC%E5%9...%8A%9F%E5%8A%B3
X70 baru.. terbakar. Plastik pun belum bukak lagi. 😅
Lokasi: Puspakom Alor Gajah

Proton says X90 rear fire not caused by mild hybrid battery, still under investigation

August 23, 2023
Proton's 40-year history is kind of like a little joke. They often took existing cars and tech from other companies, put their Proton name on them, and called them their own.
It's like saying, 'Why make something new when you can just borrow it?'
So, for a long time, Proton has been part of this 'rebadging joke,' making us wonder if it's truly a Proton or just someone else's car with a new label.
Proton borrow ideas from other manufacturers rather than creating entirely original products.
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you toyol dupe issit?
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QUOTE(FlamingFox @ Oct 12 2023, 02:04 AM)
Actually our prices seem normal

Toyota Corolla Cross (top spec)

Malaysia = MYR 142k
Thailand = THB 1,204k = MYR 156k
Brunei = BND 51.6k = MYR 179k
Vietnam = VND 860m = MYR 166k
Indonesia = IDR 608.4m = MYR 183k
Philippines = PHP 1,844k = MYR 153k
Australia = AUD 44.9k = MYR 135k
Japan = JPY 2,990k = MYR 95k
USA = USD 31k = MYR 149k
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Are those OTR prices?
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this company main objective is to help and survive workers and family, creat job for ppl and creat chance for ppl to growth big , but again the target ppl can't manage it on good rakyat learn from politics, mainly self protect the position first, the company product growth put to last, when struggle, ask help to others company joint.

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How come the mgmt never probe why they still can't produce the own car? It is very strange, CCP just use 10 years and they already catch up and able to produce the own car and compete with others.

Why Proton 40 years but still need to rebadge others? What is wrong with proton engineers? Dah 40 tahun maish tak boleh pick up the skills, apa benda kau semua ni buat selama 40 tahun
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How come the mgmt never probe why they still can't produce the own car? It is very strange, CCP just use 10 years and they already catch up and able to produce the own car and compete with others.

Why Proton 40 years but still need to rebadge others? What is wrong with proton engineers? Dah 40 tahun maish tak boleh pick up the skills, apa benda kau semua ni buat selama 40 tahun
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Because all so called national projects are there to enrich the cronies (as quickly as possible). It's not about what a country can do in the long run. whistling.gif
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Ayam mmg terkejut 40 thn masih tak tahu hasil engin kereta tapi gelar sendiri sebagai car manufacturer, tulah Proton
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Is it correct that Proton is now manufacturing the Campro engine since they acquired Lotus car company?

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you toyol dupe issit?
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Why said like that?
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Yes Wira Is a good car my 18 years old gearbox rosak aircond rosak also not expensive the car pick up still faster than modern today.
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Does this mean that the Proton Inspira and second generation Proton Perdana are good, given that they are rebadged Mitsubishi and Honda cars?

I plan to buy another car.Currently I have a wira 1.5(A) 2005....

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Why said like that?
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last time before geely take over proton there is one /k member name toyol always open thread hantam proton lolol he also like you post , always attach many news about proton, some screenshots of old newspaper about proton so got
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Oct 12 2023, 10:11 AM)
Does this mean that the Proton Inspira and  second generation Proton Perdana are good, given that they are rebadged Mitsubishi and Honda cars?

I plan to buy another car.Currently I have a wira 1.5(A) 2005....
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Inspira n perdana I m not sure now see less this two car on the round if me I won t buy scare the spare part expensive.
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QUOTE(bereev @ Oct 12 2023, 10:19 AM)
last time before geely take over proton there is one /k member name toyol always open thread hantam proton lolol he also like you post , always attach many news about proton, some screenshots of old newspaper about proton so got
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I am not toyol....

Let me find his post

The X50's sales numbers are almost catching up to Saga's sales.



Proton 2022 Sales Model Sales Note
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1 Saga 55,878
2 X50 40,681 Best Selling B-Segment SUV
3 X70 18,533 Best Selling C-Segment SUV
4 Persona 16,375
5 Iriz 5,708
6 Exora 4,275 Best Selling C-Segment MPV
Total 141,432 Second place in Malaysia



Perodua hits record sales of 282,019 units in 2022



141432 / 282019 * 100 = 50.2044 %


In 2022, Proton's sales were only half of Perodua's.


Malaysia’s Automobile Sales by Segment in 2022


The Malaysian automobile market in 2022 hit a record high of 720,688 units up 41.6% year-on-year. The top 6 brands (Perodua, Proton, Toyota, Honda, Mitsubishi, Isuzu), which accounted for 88.0% of the market sold 634,260 units.



Mitsubishi and Isuzu because East Malaysia ?????????



Following poor sales results in 2020 and 2021 due to the pandemic and insufficient parts supply, all segments saw an increase of 30% or more in 2022 driven by the government’s car sales tax exemption scheme, economic recovery and the easing of parts shortage.


We think customers have long adapted to the SST-inclusive prices. Furthermore, the new model launches this year (notably Perodua Axia, Proton X90 and Toyota Vios) continue to drive new orders.



We maintain our 2023 TIV of 680,000 units,” said RHB Research.

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QUOTE(TAN WENG @ Oct 12 2023, 10:30 AM)
Inspira n perdana I m not sure now see less this two car on the round if me I won t buy scare the spare part expensive.
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Does Proton have the rights to produce Inspira spare parts, or do customers need to buy them from Mitsubishi?



I wonder how this works. It means Mitsubishi Lancer owners can use cheaper Proton Inspira spare parts.


How many businesses worldwide will be brought to Proton as a result?


But maybe they are priced similarly to Mitsubishi?
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QUOTE(FlamingFox @ Oct 12 2023, 02:04 AM)
Actually our prices seem normal

Toyota Corolla Cross (top spec)

Malaysia = MYR 142k
Thailand = THB 1,204k = MYR 156k
Brunei = BND 51.6k = MYR 179k
Vietnam = VND 860m = MYR 166k
Indonesia = IDR 608.4m = MYR 183k
Philippines = PHP 1,844k = MYR 153k
Australia = AUD 44.9k = MYR 135k
Japan = JPY 2,990k = MYR 95k
USA = USD 31k = MYR 149k
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Another sohai using currency conversion to justify prices.

How long can you survive in say USA with your 142k compared to them having their 142k if they live in mesia?
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Another sohai using currency conversion to justify prices.

How long can you survive in say USA with your 142k compared to them having their 142k if they live in mesia?
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Must look at buying power

Or big mac index


THE BIG MAC index was invented by The Economist in 1986 as a lighthearted guide to whether currencies are at their “correct” level.
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QUOTE(Heroicage @ Oct 12 2023, 06:57 AM)
As always... Father being super crony.... Kids drive porsche ferrari.... Rakyat drive kereta tin milo selama lama.... Macam nigeria zimbabwe.... Chanting for specific kaum enrich manatau..... Enrich crony sendiri....

Your parents and grand voted this cronies... Salahkan bodoh.... Similar now... Vote customizers.... Salah sendiri.... Stop breeding
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Those UK export models featured airbag and electronic fuel injection, while in malaysia market model proton saga LMST still comes with carburetor till year 2008, that like 12 years after global mandate of OBDII. This shows that proton don't even give a crap to the people. And UK export of diesel wira comes with a turbo, while local version is NA.
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QUOTE(boonwuilow @ Oct 12 2023, 10:54 AM)
Those UK export models featured airbag and electronic fuel injection, while in malaysia market model proton saga LMST still comes with carburetor till year 2008, that like 12 years after global mandate of OBDII. This shows that proton don't even give a crap to the people. And UK export of diesel wira comes with a turbo, while local version is NA.
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1996 — OBD-II becomes mandatory for all cars manufactured in the United States.



2001 — EOBD (European version of OBD) becomes mandatory for all gasoline vehicles in the European Union (EU).



2003 — EOBD becomes mandatory for all diesel vehicles in the EU.



2008 — Starting in 2008, all vehicles in the US are required to implement OBDII through a Controller Area Network as specified by ISO 15765-4.

For easy troubleshooting?

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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Oct 12 2023, 05:13 AM)
this is because our currency is soo weak.

if our currency =3.1 (10 years ago =2013) , then Toyota Corolla Cross (top spec) is about  RM 120k.
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Umw untung riba, top spec price but tin kosong.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Oct 12 2023, 10:48 AM)
Must look at buying power

Or big mac index
THE BIG MAC index was invented by The Economist in 1986 as a lighthearted guide to whether currencies are at their “correct” level.
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Perodua, the king of rebadging, looking at this tered & sniggering 🫢
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Oct 12 2023, 10:58 AM)
1996 — OBD-II becomes mandatory for all cars manufactured in the United States.



2001 — EOBD (European version of OBD) becomes mandatory for all gasoline vehicles in the European Union (EU).



2003 — EOBD becomes mandatory for all diesel vehicles in the EU.



2008 — Starting in 2008, all vehicles in the US are required to implement OBDII through a Controller Area Network as specified by ISO 15765-4.

For easy troubleshooting?
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Yes, and also for emission control. And also the beginning for expensive manufacturer level exclusive scan tool. That OBDII port also open up to endless possibility, from ECU tuning till car jacking. Speaking of OBDII port... A year 2003 Isuzu ELF japan recon 3 ton lorry already has it lol...

Even before 1996, there already OBDI.


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QUOTE(boonwuilow @ Oct 12 2023, 11:29 AM)
Yes, and also for emission control. And also the beginning for expensive manufacturer level exclusive scan tool. That OBDII port also open up to endless possibility, from ECU tuning till car jacking. Speaking of OBDII port... A year 2003 Isuzu ELF japan recon 3 ton lorry already has it lol...

Even before 1996, there already OBDI.

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Singapore follow this since 1990?
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QUOTE(dickybird @ Oct 12 2023, 11:14 AM)
Umw untung riba, top spec price but tin kosong.
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https://www.klsescreener.com/v2/announcements/view/5644249

Almost everyday buy stake through open market........

Perodua want to list on bursa


Sime Darby to Acquire UMW
24 August 2023



Sime Darby ( 4197) Offers to Buy 61.18% Stake in UMW( 4588 ) From PNB at RM5 Per Share



Sime Darby Berhad (“Sime Darby”) today announced that it has entered into a conditional share purchase agreement (“SPA”) with Permodalan Nasional Berhad (“PNB”) to acquire PNB’s 61.2% stake in UMW Holdings Berhad (“UMW”), a well-established conglomerate with a diverse portfolio of businesses including automotive, equipment, aerospace and manufacturing & engineering (M&E) segments.

Under the terms of the agreement, Sime Darby will purchase PNB’s 61.2% stake for a total cash consideration of RM3.57 billion or RM5.00 per share.

Once the agreement is final, Sime Darby plans to make a formal offer to buy the remaining 38.8% of UMW shares it doesn't own. The goal is to remove UMW from the Bursa Malaysia stock exchange.


“This is a strategic move to further scale up and strengthen our presence in the Malaysian automotive sector, adding two highly performing brands into our Malaysian portfolio – Toyota and Perodua.


The deal will cement Sime Darby’s position as Malaysia’s leading automotive player,” said Dato’ Jeffri Salim Davidson, Sime Darby Berhad’s Group Chief Executive Officer.


"As a partner of choice to some of the most admired brands in the automotive sector, we are very excited to have the opportunity to work with Toyota, one of the world’s largest and most respected automakers.”

The acquisition is accretive to Sime Darby’s earnings per share and will enhance Sime Darby’s shareholders return.

According to The Edge Malaysia’s report, the reason for the corporate exercise is the valuation of Perusahaan Otomobil Kedua Sdn Bhd (Perodua), which is not reflected anywhere because of its current shareholding structure.

“The objective is to list Perodua eventually. Its net tangible assets are about RM2 billion.


The market capitalisation of both UMW( UMW owns 38 per cent of Perodua) and MBM Resources Bhd ( 5983 )(a public-listed company that owns

22.58% stake in Perusahaan Otomobil Kedua Sdn Bhd (Perodua) ,

does not reflect Perodua’s value,” a source said


Daihatsu Motor Co. (Toyota) holds a 20% stake in Perodua, while Daihatsu (Malaysia) has a 5% stake in the company.


Sime Darby expects the acquisition of PNB’s stake to be completed within 3 months from the date of SPA subject to regulatory and shareholders’ approvals and customary closing conditions.

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There is rumour that Tun himself also doesn't use Proton car,

but somehow he encourages rakyat to buy Proton cars.
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The biggest travesty of Proton was proton selling Saga at 2023 price from year 1980.
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Why are we now paying high car prices to plotek a China carmaker? Or a bunch of fruity AP holders?
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DRB-Hicom owns 51% of Proton. Geely only 49%. But that 49% gave Geely Lotus, the CEO seat and the power to dictate conditions to Proton suppliers and dealers. Why still preferential treatment to foreign CCP company?

Who owns DRB-Hicom?

Answer: Etika Strategi

The company is majority owned by Etika Strategi, a private company controlled by tycoon Syed Mokhtar Albukhary. DRB-Hicom is headed by Managing Director Khamil Jamil, a lawyer by training.


This fella again?

Rice sapu. Ini pun sapu

Now you know
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QUOTE(tokroni76 @ Oct 12 2023, 07:23 PM)
DRB-Hicom owns 51% of Proton. Geely only 49%. But that 49% gave Geely Lotus, the CEO seat and the power to dictate conditions to Proton suppliers and dealers. Why still preferential treatment to foreign CCP company?

Who owns DRB-Hicom?

Answer: Etika Strategi

The company is majority owned by Etika Strategi, a private company controlled by tycoon Syed Mokhtar Albukhary. DRB-Hicom is headed by Managing Director Khamil Jamil, a lawyer by training.
This fella again?

Rice sapu. Ini pun sapu

Now you know
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It is the essence of Ali baba partnership.
Ali holds the controlling stake and Baba does the work.
When baba leaves, Ali still dunno how to do the work.

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It is the essence of Ali baba partnership.
Ali holds the controlling stake and Baba does the work.
When baba leaves, Ali still dunno how to do the work.
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Don't worry, Ali can hire someone else to do the jobs nod.gif

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Don't worry, Ali can hire someone else to do the jobs nod.gif
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I don’t see why we have to pay for his laziness?
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Oct 12 2023, 12:13 AM)
You also suffer proton car before?
May you share the stories?
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The signature using hand to hold power window when pulling up, and praying it works.
Going on a date, buka pintu for date, the door handle putus. Mafaka.
Aircond vent like to to face down
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QUOTE(MamulaMoon @ Oct 12 2023, 06:52 PM)
There is rumour that Tun himself also doesn't use Proton car,

but somehow he encourages rakyat to buy Proton cars.
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He use jaguar


https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3582027/all


WXX 88

Kencana Capital Sdn. Bhd

Jaguar XJ 3.0 diesel

2015

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What u expect from a company full of kr0n!
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What u expect from a company full of kr0n!
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https://www.proton.com/en/happenings/2023/o...th-in-september



https://www.nst.com.my/amp/business/2023/07...half-sales-2012



But sales good 2023

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Oct 12 2023, 08:11 PM)
He use jaguar
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3582027/all
WXX 88

Kencana Capital Sdn. Bhd

Jaguar XJ 3.0 diesel

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Tun Mahathir prefers diesel over petrol? sweat.gif
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Mahathir is an idiot that's why. He thinks he's Lee Kuan Yew when he's not.

You can't simply just force something out of nothing. Proton simply isn't good enough, and Malaysians simply aren't good enough to build better cars in the end.

This is the same principle where you continuously subsidize or give tongkat to companies or people in hope they will be better, but if they are not good, they will never be good. End of story.
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QUOTE(MamulaMoon @ Oct 13 2023, 02:31 AM)
Tun Mahathir prefers diesel over petrol? sweat.gif
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As long as big luxury car


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The National car policy is just a huge failure. South Korea had a policy of forcing their national car companies to export at any cost. To gain export income. That made Kia and Hyundai competitive at a global level. Meanwhile Proton made deal with Mitsubishi NOT to compete with them globally. The few exported Protons and Peroduuas are a joke in 1:st world countries. While Hyundai is a recognized brand with factories in US and EU. Proton is a badge engineered Geely.
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Last time proton cars the most cibai cars in the world. 😅
Can't imagine, the government forced the rakyat to buy such shitty cars with their hard earned money.
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QUOTE(dickybird @ Oct 12 2023, 07:32 PM)
I don’t see why we have to pay for his laziness?
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In capitalism, the majority work for the top 1%, even though the 1% is an a$$hole.

Lazy or no lazy, its how the system works

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QUOTE(Bill888 @ Oct 13 2023, 04:18 AM)
Last time proton cars the most cibai cars in the world. 😅
Can't imagine, the government forced the rakyat to buy such shitty cars with their hard earned money.
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During saga and wira era?
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If there's a way to piss old man.

Shut down p1 and focus p2 instead.
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Go google Med Bumikar. Then google BETAMEK. Then type Mahathir.
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Go google Med Bumikar. Then google BETAMEK.  Then type Mahathir.
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Betamek Electronics (M) Sdn Bhd (BETAMEK) was incorporated in 1989 to manufacture car audio systems.

We made inroads into the Malaysian market in 1994 when the company was appointed by Perusahaan Otomobil Kedua Sdn Bhd (PERODUA) to supply car audio systems for their first Kancil model.


user posted image


Med-Bumikar Mara Sdn. Bhd


Med-Bumikar is owned by Majlis Amanah Rakyat (Mara) with a 29% shareholding, the largest and the only institutional shareholder among 6 other founding families, including the Wongs.


Wong Fay Lee of LT Wong (Holdings) Sdn Bhd, who is one of the six founding families of Med-Bumikar.


The six families are holding stakes of between 11% and 13% each in Med-Bumikar



The deal fell through after a disagreement between the shareholders of Med-Bumikar on the sale, as the majority deemed the offer too low. In addition, it is learnt that


Daihatsu Motor opposed the proposal as it would have meant UMW Holdings and PNB having more than 50% equity interest in Perodua.


When Perodua was set up, the shareholding was broken up so that no one single entity had more than a 50% stake in the car manufacturer.


It was one of the conditions of the Japanese partner,” says another source.

https://m.malaysiakini.com/news/349279

Before that is Dr .M company!!!

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QUOTE(MamulaMoon @ Oct 13 2023, 04:19 AM)
In capitalism, the majority work for the top 1%, even though the 1% is an a$$hole.

Lazy or no lazy, its how the system works
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This isn’t capitalism this is unwarranted and inefficient protectionism and rent seeking. .
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budaya tongkat ma

now even take china nomba wan car rebadge and become tongkat
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QUOTE(FlamingFox @ Oct 12 2023, 02:04 AM)
Actually our prices seem normal

Toyota Corolla Cross (top spec)

Malaysia = MYR 142k
Thailand = THB 1,204k = MYR 156k
Brunei = BND 51.6k = MYR 179k
Vietnam = VND 860m = MYR 166k
Indonesia = IDR 608.4m = MYR 183k
Philippines = PHP 1,844k = MYR 153k
Australia = AUD 44.9k = MYR 135k
Japan = JPY 2,990k = MYR 95k
USA = USD 31k = MYR 149k
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Malaysian still have the illusion that our car prices are thr highest.
In the 80s before plaza accord, MY$1 almost equal to JPY100. So we get cheap import cars. When first saga introduced, it costed around $17k for 1.3l and $19k for 1.5l. Import tax was increased so that imported car price to be higher more than $20k. This was to protect Proton as a local industry. When exchange rate increased to $2.50 for JPY100, card prices increased almost 3 folds then.

Come 2004 or 2005, the import tax were reduced or abolished, but replaced with excise tax. A Honda city would cost 80k where around 30k would be its tax. Compared to a myvi at 45k. Perodua also were protected where we can see there are no competitor for kei car brought in from Honda, or Nissan.

Nowadays our car prices are much or less same as the rest of the word. Also quite inflation resistance. 20 years ago Honda City costed 80k. Now also about the same.

I was a hater for proton, even vouched never to buy one. But once I understand the significant reason to have own brand and technology, I started to support Proton. So unfortunate that Proton could not live to the expectation but they had at some point, able to design own cars.


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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Oct 13 2023, 07:39 AM)
Betamek Electronics (M) Sdn Bhd (BETAMEK) was incorporated in 1989 to manufacture car audio systems.

We made inroads into the Malaysian market in 1994 when the company was appointed by Perusahaan Otomobil Kedua Sdn Bhd (PERODUA) to supply car audio systems for their first Kancil model.
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Med-Bumikar Mara Sdn. Bhd
Med-Bumikar is owned by Majlis Amanah Rakyat (Mara) with a 29% shareholding, the largest and the only institutional shareholder among 6 other founding families, including the Wongs.
Wong Fay Lee of LT Wong (Holdings) Sdn Bhd, who is one of the six founding families of Med-Bumikar.
The six families are holding stakes of between 11% and 13% each in Med-Bumikar
The deal fell through after a disagreement between the shareholders of Med-Bumikar on the sale, as the majority deemed the offer too low. In addition, it is learnt that
Daihatsu Motor opposed the proposal as it would have meant UMW Holdings and PNB having more than 50% equity interest in Perodua.
When Perodua was set up, the shareholding was broken up so that no one single entity had more than a 50% stake in the car manufacturer.
It was one of the conditions of the Japanese partner,” says another source.

https://m.malaysiakini.com/news/349279

Before that is Dr .M company!!!
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Dr M sold the company in1964 based on the mkini link. Still have share?

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Oct 11 2023, 11:59 PM)
For 40 years, we, the Malaysian people, have suffered from high car prices, primarily due to Proton. Interestingly, when we examine car prices over the past four decades, it's evident that they haven't increased significantly despite inflation.
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Before the invention of Proton, car prices were considerably cheaper in Malaysia before 1983.
The moment Proton was created, the old government decided to introduce a tax which can make foreign vehicle prices to increase for Malaysians by no choice to support and buy Proton cars. This causes the car price to be among the second highest(2nd) in the world after Singapore.
Proton had been protected 40 years through higher taxes on imported cars since it was first established in 1983. This protectionist policy has deterred foreign investors from investing in the country’s automobile market.

We need to revisit this policy of imposing higher taxes on imported cars. Revise the import tax structure on vehicles.
This can be illustrated by comparing prices in the United States.
A 2014 Honda Accord 2.4 and Toyota Camry 2.5, for instance, were priced at USD$22,000.
A 2023 Toyota Camry LE: starts at USD $26,220.

Even top-of-the-line cars in Malaysia cost only around RM60,000. This indicates that, in reality, car prices haven't experienced substantial inflation over the past 40 years.
We used to be able to purchase a brand new Toyota Corolla or Nissan Sunny for perhaps around RM40,000, which is only a modest increase from the RM20,000 of two decades ago.

For four decades, we've been paying considerably high prices to safeguard Proton's interests. Moreover, Proton receives hundreds of millions in grants from our government every few years, which are funded by our hard-earned taxpayer money.

Considering all the protectionism and the suffering that all 34.4 million Malaysians have endured due to overpriced cars, one might expect more from Proton than simply rebadging an outdated Honda,Mitsubishi,Suzuki,Renault,Volvo and Citroen.

Is there no sense of xxxxxx,Proton?
It's quite disheartening. We've suffered for four decades, and all Proton can offer is a rebadged vehicle.
What are your engineers and designers working on?
As Malaysians, we have the right to know, especially since we've been paying elevated car prices for 40 years, and our taxpayer money has been directed to Proton in the form of grants. This is indeed disheartening.

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Proton has consistently been an assembled car brand, and it's regrettable that they have relied on technology from other companies.
Nevertheless, the founder of Proton has always maintained that Malaysia could produce a national car entirely independently. How much has been spent over the past 40 years?
Billions of Malaysian Ringgit have been invested.
Proton has had collaborations with
Mitsubishi (Saga, Wira, 1.6L Waja, Arena pickup,
Perdana, Putra, Juara van, Inspira),
Lotus Campro ( Waja, GEN•2, Iriz, Savvy, Persona, Saga,Suprima S ),

Citroën (Tiara),

Renault (1.2L Savvy, 1.8L Waja),

Suzuki (Ertiga),

Honda ( 2nd generation Perdana from 8th accord), and
Geely (X70,X50,X90, S50).
The 2nd generation Proton Perdana is based on the 8th generation Honda Accord.
The Proton Waja production included three different variants, each equipped with one of three different engines:

the 1.6-liter Mitsubishi 4G18,
the 1.6-liter Proton CamPro S4PH/CPS,
and the 1.8-liter Renault F4P.
Company        Collaboration Models                                 
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1. Mitsubishi (1983 - 2015) Saga, Wira, 1.6L Waja, Arena pickup, Perdana, Putra, Juara van, Inspira 1.8L & 2.0L ( October 2010 – April 2015 )
2. Citroën    Tiara                                                 
3. Renault    1.2L Savvy, 1.8L Waja                                 
4. Honda      2nd generation Proton Perdana (based on the 8th generation Honda Accord)
5. Suzuki      Ertiga (2016 until 2019)                             
6. Lotus Campro Waja 1.6L, GEN•2, Iriz, Savvy, Persona, Saga, Exora, Preve 1.6L, Suprima S 1.6L
7. Geely      X70, X50, X90, S50 (2023 November)                     
Total 7 companies !!!!!
World record!!!!!
From 2018 until now, they have been partnered with Geely/Volvo.
The 2nd generation Proton Perdana is a mid-sized four-door saloon manufactured by the Malaysian company Proton.
It was unveiled on December 11, 2013, as the successor to the original Proton Perdana.
The 2nd generation Perdana is a rebadged and reengineered version of the 8th generation Honda Accord.
Spending 40 years in this industry without improvement is a waste of money and doesn't prioritize safety.



Source:

https://mywheels.my/articles/%E7%BB%BC%E5%9...%8A%9F%E5%8A%B3
X70 baru.. terbakar. Plastik pun belum bukak lagi. 😅
Lokasi: Puspakom Alor Gajah

Proton says X90 rear fire not caused by mild hybrid battery, still under investigation

August 23, 2023
Proton's 40-year history is kind of like a little joke. They often took existing cars and tech from other companies, put their Proton name on them, and called them their own.
It's like saying, 'Why make something new when you can just borrow it?'
So, for a long time, Proton has been part of this 'rebadging joke,' making us wonder if it's truly a Proton or just someone else's car with a new label.
Proton borrow ideas from other manufacturers rather than creating entirely original products.
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What is xxxx are u referring to?

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Malaysian still have the illusion that our car prices are thr highest.
In the 80s before plaza accord, MY$1 almost equal to JPY100. So we get cheap import cars. When first saga introduced, it costed around $17k for 1.3l and $19k for 1.5l. Import tax was increased so that imported car price to be higher more than $20k. This was to protect Proton as a local industry.  When exchange rate increased to $2.50 for JPY100, card prices increased almost 3 folds then.

Come 2004 or 2005, the import tax were reduced or abolished, but replaced with excise tax. A Honda city would cost 80k where around 30k would be its tax. Compared to a myvi at 45k. Perodua also were protected where we can see there are no competitor for kei car brought in from Honda, or Nissan.

Nowadays our car prices are much or less same as the rest of the word. Also quite inflation resistance. 20 years ago Honda City costed 80k. Now also about the same.

I was a hater for proton, even vouched never to buy one. But once I understand the significant reason to have own brand and technology, I started to support Proton. So unfortunate that Proton could not live to the expectation but they had at some point, able to design own cars.
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Suzuki Swift and Honda Jazz were available in Malaysia before.

The Suzuki Swift costs 75K, and the Honda Jazz costs 42K.


Which one would you choose?

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QUOTE(treblecase @ Oct 12 2023, 10:45 AM)
Another sohai using currency conversion to justify prices.

How long can you survive in say USA with your 142k compared to them having their 142k if they live in mesia?
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So if US people pay US$31k for their Camry, then we have the right to pay MYR31k for our Camry?
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Oct 13 2023, 08:34 AM)
Suzuki Swift and Honda Jazz were available in Malaysia before.

The Suzuki Swift costs 75K, and the Honda Jazz costs 42K.
Which one would you choose?
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QUOTE(Volfeed @ Oct 13 2023, 08:59 AM)
So if US people pay US$31k for their Camry, then we have the right to pay MYR31k for our Camry?
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We don’t have any rights to shit. Our ringgit is too weak. Am talking in the 1:1 sense. You make RM5k a month here compared to USD5k in US. It’ll only take the person in the US about 6 months to get a Camry & it’s not even a “luxury” car there. Here it’s in the “premium” category..lol
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QUOTE(MamulaMoon @ Oct 12 2023, 06:52 PM)
There is rumour that Tun himself also doesn't use Proton car,

but somehow he encourages rakyat to buy Proton cars.
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He drives Proton car la. Siapa la yang buat rumours ni. Even PM car also a stretch perdana in his time. Of course he have other cars as well. Pencen dia banyak.
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QUOTE(Volfeed @ Oct 13 2023, 09:11 AM)
He drives Proton car la. Siapa la yang buat rumours ni. Even PM car also a stretch perdana in his time. Of course he have other cars as well. Pencen dia banyak.
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Yup he walks the talk

But for sure different parts especially the power window

When ppl complaining about power windows he actually said he never encountered it in his cars haha
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Dr M sold the company in1964 based on the mkini link. Still have share?
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Betamek belongs to Mirzan Madey right?
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The moment Proton was created, the old government decided to introduce a tax which can make foreign vehicle prices to increase for Malaysians by no choice to support and buy Proton cars.
This causes the car price to be among the second highest(2nd) in the world after Singapore.
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i remembered my father used to love buy Honda cars in 1980s

He drove the firsts honda accord.

then proton came in, suddenly honda prices skyrocketed.

he switched to Nissan.

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Are those OTR prices?
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I just take from Toyota website only, so can't confirm as I didn't drill through the details

QUOTE(treblecase @ Oct 12 2023, 10:45 AM)
Another sohai using currency conversion to justify prices.

How long can you survive in say USA with your 142k compared to them having their 142k if they live in mesia?
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It's not a direct comparison RM142k vs USD142k. If you earn MYR10k here and decide to go to the US to work, chances are slim that you also earn USD10k there.
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20-30 years ago, yes u can blame proton for other car brand high price.

but now ts still complain high price bcz of proton, i dont see that logic anymore.

it is the same as current gomen blame last gomen because of the bad economy but doest do anything just sembang only

i see ts just too sour toward proton only.
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From their website Mirzan is one of their BOD and the Managing Director. Not sure if that equals to owning the company or not.
I think it is public listed and we can buy the share.

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Shut down atok legacy.... let his mega projects become white elephant
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From their website Mirzan is one of their BOD and the Managing Director. Not sure if that equals to owning the company or not.
I think it is public listed and we can buy the share.
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Betamek is not public listed


MBM resources bhd ( 5983) is a listed company

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Betamek is not public listed
MBM resources bhd ( 5983) is a listed company
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IC. I thought it is listed because got IPO. Pardon my ignorance.

https://betamek.com.my/page-6/
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Shut down atok legacy.... let his mega projects become white elephant
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Yup he walks the talk

But for sure different parts especially the power window

When ppl complaining about power windows he actually said he never encountered it in his cars haha
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No he doesn’t
Now he drives around in his sons company car with road taxes at by cost more than a proton saga.
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No he doesn’t
Now he drives around in his sons company car with road taxes at by cost more than a proton saga.
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thgen he tells everyone john cena is very rich, we need to equalize things

if anyone thinls that having lots of money makes someone very happy and contented, look at atuk and u will know...
i guess, when he is looking back on his life, he is considered a joker especially vs LKY , and time is almost up but he cant do shit about it to get a lead altho LKY has long gone...he got tonnes of money, but he can never have the kind of legacy that LKY has, where upon death everyone salute him ....

therefore he has some bitterness and resentment and takes it out on others ... if someone is contented he would probably be like semi value disappear into the background

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thgen he tells everyone john cena is very rich, we need to equalize things

if anyone thinls that having lots of money makes someone very happy and contented, look at atuk and u will know...
i guess, when he is looking back on his life,  he is considered a joker especially  vs LKY , and time is almost up but he cant do shit about it to get a lead altho LKY has long gone...he got tonnes of money, but he can never have the kind of legacy that LKY has, where upon death everyone salute him ....

therefore he has some bitterness and resentment and takes it out on others ... if someone is contented he would probably be like semi value disappear into the background
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He not fit to tie LKY shoelaces.
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QUOTE(dickybird @ Oct 13 2023, 11:45 AM)
No he doesn’t
Now he drives around in his sons company car with road taxes at by cost more than a proton saga.
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Any video to support this? I could only find him driving protons X70, X50, persona. I remember one about Porche Cayyene too but cannot find that one video.
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Any video to support this? I could only find him driving protons X70, X50, persona. I remember one about Porche Cayyene too but cannot find that one video.
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Lol
There you go Cayenne!
What more do you need?
Still want to kiss his ring?
Bodoh.

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QUOTE(dickybird @ Oct 13 2023, 12:19 PM)
Lol
There you go Cayenne!
What more do you need?
Still want to kiss his ring?
Bodoh.
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That is old story. So what is wrong if he can afford that? A company director can easily buy that. Anwar also pakai Jaguar.

Found the video of Porshe from 5 years ago.



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Any video to support this? I could only find him driving protons X70, X50, persona. I remember one about Porche Cayyene too but cannot find that one video.
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he has mentioned before he likes VW
cant rmbr which one
the SUV tiguan i think
a person like him has multiple cars... some to show that he is driving national car... but pretty sure theyre not his first choice cars.

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That is old story. So what is wrong if he can afford that? A company director can easily buy that. Anwar also pakai Jaguar.

Found the video of Porshe from 5 years ago.


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Wayang je drive proton
Naik bot pun super yacht “kawan” dia.
Lol after 2020 still got people believe his lies about proton.
Kesian

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Wayang je drive proton
Naik bot pun super yacht “kawan” dia.
Lol after 2020 still got people believe his lies about proton.
Kesian
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Well, some people choose to believe Anwar's lies.. so..
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What I was strange is, despite we saying our car high priced, when compared to SG or Thai or Indo it is still priced the same with what is in Malaysia.

For SG its highly understandable why so... but wouldn't Thai or Indo be making way more noise now when it comes to car pricing?
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P1 rebadge = stupid
P2 rebadge = good


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IC. I thought it is listed because got IPO. Pardon my ignorance.

https://betamek.com.my/page-6/
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Sorry.My mistake.
Last year betamek only listed.


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dont care, i happy see malaysian pay higher tax when buying non malaysian car.
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What I was strange is, despite we saying our car high priced, when compared to SG or Thai or Indo it is still priced the same with what is in Malaysia.

For SG its highly understandable why so... but wouldn't Thai or Indo be making way more noise now when it comes to car pricing?
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They are in much worse situation.. Car price expensive, fuel price also expensive.
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They are in much worse situation.. Car price expensive, fuel price also expensive.
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Government is removing fuel subsidy, we are heading to that direction too.
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For 40 years, we, the Malaysian people, have suffered from high car prices, primarily due to Proton. Interestingly, when we examine car prices over the past four decades, it's evident that they haven't increased significantly despite inflation.
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Before the invention of Proton, car prices were considerably cheaper in Malaysia before 1983.
The moment Proton was created, the old government decided to introduce a tax which can make foreign vehicle prices to increase for Malaysians by no choice to support and buy Proton cars. This causes the car price to be among the second highest(2nd) in the world after Singapore.
Proton had been protected 40 years through higher taxes on imported cars since it was first established in 1983. This protectionist policy has deterred foreign investors from investing in the country’s automobile market.

We need to revisit this policy of imposing higher taxes on imported cars. Revise the import tax structure on vehicles.
This can be illustrated by comparing prices in the United States.
A 2014 Honda Accord 2.4 and Toyota Camry 2.5, for instance, were priced at USD$22,000.
A 2023 Toyota Camry LE: starts at USD $26,220.

Even top-of-the-line cars in Malaysia cost only around RM60,000. This indicates that, in reality, car prices haven't experienced substantial inflation over the past 40 years.
We used to be able to purchase a brand new Toyota Corolla or Nissan Sunny for perhaps around RM40,000, which is only a modest increase from the RM20,000 of two decades ago.

For four decades, we've been paying considerably high prices to safeguard Proton's interests. Moreover, Proton receives hundreds of millions in grants from our government every few years, which are funded by our hard-earned taxpayer money.

Considering all the protectionism and the suffering that all 34.4 million Malaysians have endured due to overpriced cars, one might expect more from Proton than simply rebadging an outdated Honda,Mitsubishi,Suzuki,Renault,Volvo and Citroen.

Is there no sense of xxxxxx,Proton?
It's quite disheartening. We've suffered for four decades, and all Proton can offer is a rebadged vehicle.
What are your engineers and designers working on?
As Malaysians, we have the right to know, especially since we've been paying elevated car prices for 40 years, and our taxpayer money has been directed to Proton in the form of grants. This is indeed disheartening.

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Proton has consistently been an assembled car brand, and it's regrettable that they have relied on technology from other companies.
Nevertheless, the founder of Proton has always maintained that Malaysia could produce a national car entirely independently. How much has been spent over the past 40 years?
Billions of Malaysian Ringgit have been invested.
Proton has had collaborations with
Mitsubishi (Saga, Wira, 1.6L Waja, Arena pickup,
Perdana, Putra, Juara van, Inspira),
Lotus Campro ( Waja, GEN•2, Iriz, Savvy, Persona, Saga,Suprima S ),

Citroën (Tiara),

Renault (1.2L Savvy, 1.8L Waja),

Suzuki (Ertiga),

Honda ( 2nd generation Perdana from 8th accord), and
Geely (X70,X50,X90, S50).
The 2nd generation Proton Perdana is based on the 8th generation Honda Accord.
The Proton Waja production included three different variants, each equipped with one of three different engines:

the 1.6-liter Mitsubishi 4G18,
the 1.6-liter Proton CamPro S4PH/CPS,
and the 1.8-liter Renault F4P.
Company        Collaboration Models                                 
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1. Mitsubishi (1983 - 2015) Saga, Wira, 1.6L Waja, Arena pickup, Perdana, Putra, Juara van, Inspira 1.8L & 2.0L ( October 2010 – April 2015 )
2. Citroën    Tiara                                                 
3. Renault    1.2L Savvy, 1.8L Waja                                 
4. Honda      2nd generation Proton Perdana (based on the 8th generation Honda Accord)
5. Suzuki      Ertiga (2016 until 2019)                             
6. Lotus Campro Waja 1.6L, GEN•2, Iriz, Savvy, Persona, Saga, Exora, Preve 1.6L, Suprima S 1.6L
7. Geely      X70, X50, X90, S50 (2023 November)                     
Total 7 companies !!!!!
World record!!!!!
From 2018 until now, they have been partnered with Geely/Volvo.
The 2nd generation Proton Perdana is a mid-sized four-door saloon manufactured by the Malaysian company Proton.
It was unveiled on December 11, 2013, as the successor to the original Proton Perdana.
The 2nd generation Perdana is a rebadged and reengineered version of the 8th generation Honda Accord.
Spending 40 years in this industry without improvement is a waste of money and doesn't prioritize safety.



Source:

https://mywheels.my/articles/%E7%BB%BC%E5%9...%8A%9F%E5%8A%B3
X70 baru.. terbakar. Plastik pun belum bukak lagi. 😅
Lokasi: Puspakom Alor Gajah

Proton says X90 rear fire not caused by mild hybrid battery, still under investigation

August 23, 2023
Proton's 40-year history is kind of like a little joke. They often took existing cars and tech from other companies, put their Proton name on them, and called them their own.
It's like saying, 'Why make something new when you can just borrow it?'
So, for a long time, Proton has been part of this 'rebadging joke,' making us wonder if it's truly a Proton or just someone else's car with a new label.
Proton borrow ideas from other manufacturers rather than creating entirely original products.
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https://www.wapcar.my/news/it%E2%80%99s-tim...nd-perodua-5697

There is no more subsidy after Geely bought over.
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They are in much worse situation.. Car price expensive, fuel price also expensive.
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Even if subsidies are removed, what are we comparing to then? FFS US?

Kinda stupid comparison if you ask me, since neighboring countries are not making noise about this
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In capitalism, the majority work for the top 1%, even though the 1% is an a$$hole.

Lazy or no lazy, its how the system works
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Meaning, if we smart enough, we can becomes 1% too. That's a lot of people in 1%, more than Malaysia total population biggrin.gif

70 million
1 percent of 7 billion is 70 million.

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It is the essence of Ali baba partnership.
Ali holds the controlling stake and Baba does the work.
When baba leaves, Ali still dunno how to do the work.
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Don't worry, Ali can hire someone else to do the jobs nod.gif
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Then someday, Baba came back but not to work for Ali, but to squeeze Ali's company, because now Baba got own big corporations doing the same business, clueless Ali suddenly can't compete and force to sell off the company to Baba or close shop, then forever underneath Baba...then Ali's next generation no longer enjoy the privileges and easy money from Ali-Baba partnership will cry fold about ditindas oleh Baba. Sadly, that time, Baba will not be affected because this is capitalism and globalisation. Ali will forever been stepped on and underneath, why? Because Baba now is fighting with the Marques of the East and the West, Japanese and German, you think Ali can make a comeback and challenge then defeat Baba?
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dont care, i happy see malaysian pay higher tax when buying non malaysian car.
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why?

You are not malaysian?

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Meaning, if we smart enough, we can becomes 1% too. That's a lot of people in 1%, more than Malaysia total population biggrin.gif

70 million
1 percent of 7 billion is 70 million.
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How many malaysians belong to world top 1% richest sweat.gif
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How many malaysians belong to world top 1% richest sweat.gif
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No idea. Didn't count
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Go google Med Bumikar. Then google BETAMEK.  Then type Mahathir.
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MBM RESOURCES BHD
KLSE (MYR): MBMR (5983)



Now Sime darby group want to acquire UMW...

It will affect MBM RESOURCES BHD
KLSE (MYR): MBMR (5983) ?


UMW holds 51% stake in UMW Toyota Motor as well as 38% stake in Perodua.





PNB has a direct 10% direct stake in the makers of the Myvi, whose other shareholders include technical partner Daihatsu, MBM Resources and Mitsui & Co. By the way, PNB is the biggest shareholder in both SD and UMW, so this also is consolidation move by the state investment firm.


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Topkek nobody mentioned Spanco and pekema?

Topkkkekkkk
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Topkek nobody mentioned Spanco and pekema?

Topkkkekkkk
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Ya.


This is also a by product from Proton!!!!!


Later when I free I will write 2 individual thread on it
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high price or not, people still willingly and happily paying for overpriced luxury cars albeit almost half of the selling price goes to gov as tax revenue

look at how many new Merc / BMW spawn on the road every day, owners happily get into 200-300k debt when half of it is basically tax
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local cronies companies


Not proton or EON meh?
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Proton should become 100% rebadge company no need waste money on R&D let geely/Volvo take the cost/risk and allow them to compete like other car companies.

I am sure geely can be successful in turning proton into a profitable company even without subsidy and bail out from govt
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Proton should become 100% rebadge company no need waste money on R&D let geely/Volvo take the cost/risk and allow them to compete like other car companies.

I am sure geely can be successful in turning proton into a profitable company even without subsidy and bail out from govt
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I think cannot
Later saga,persona,iriz sales become zero


Even myvi , axia also die
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where da frying carrr ?.

it's great to have a vision, but it's bad to have a blind vision.

and that is what the old man has....blind, and leading a bunch of stupid people.

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Very good opening read ts. My sentiments exactly. Proton is a waste of money. Has been, continue to be and will always be. If you look at how the japs grew their brands, the plan was already there. We just had to follow through.

There is a theory that during protons early boom, it was sabotaged by kelantanese who worked in the plants. true or not i have no idea. Its said that kelantanese would deliberately screw up cars to sabotage mahathir.

I enjoyed the read. And you hit every nail on the head for me. Im never buying a proton due to past family experience.


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I think cannot
Later saga,persona,iriz sales become zero
Even myvi , axia also die
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Nvm, let them die and be bought by others, we are free market capitalism follower not komunis
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Very good opening read ts. My sentiments exactly. Proton is a waste of money. Has been, continue to be and will always be. If you look at how the japs grew their brands, the plan was already there. We just had to follow through.

There is a theory that during protons early boom, it was sabotaged by kelantanese who worked in the plants. true or not i have no idea. Its said that kelantanese would deliberately screw up cars to sabotage mahathir.

I enjoyed the read. And you hit every nail on the head for me. Im never buying a proton due to past family experience.
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Would you mind sharing your family experience?

Actually, I think the car business within the entire Mitsubishi group is relatively small. THEY HAVE A LOT OF BUSSINESS.


They are involved in trains, air conditioning, finance, and more.

It seems they are focused on maximizing profits, but the brand has suffered.

I watched a Hong Kong movie where a Mitsubishi Lancer was portrayed as a police car, but it looked like a Proton Wira—quite amusing.

If Mitsubishi hadn't rejected Dr. M's proposal in 1982, Proton might not have been established.

I'm confident Dr. M approached Subaru, Mazda, Suzuki, Isuzu, and others, but they all rejected his special and unique ideas.

He surely approached many other companies as well.

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simple answer: government print more money as per how many car that is imported/sold
thats why we see ringgit depreciated against time
more car imported = more ringgit depreciated
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Gov borrows money = print money.

Gov borrows money because it is under-taxing the people, i.e. maintains a budget deficit.

You want the gov not to print money? No problem. Ask the gov to tax all of us very heavily. Result: Ringgit goes up, but our pockets have less money because of heavy taxation.






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They are in much worse situation.. Car price expensive, fuel price also expensive.
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Actually our prices seem normal

Toyota Corolla Cross (top spec)

Malaysia = MYR 142k
Thailand = THB 1,204k = MYR 156k
Brunei = BND 51.6k = MYR 179k
Vietnam = VND 860m = MYR 166k
Indonesia = IDR 608.4m = MYR 183k
Philippines = PHP 1,844k = MYR 153k
Australia = AUD 44.9k = MYR 135k
Japan = JPY 2,990k = MYR 95k
USA = USD 31k = MYR 149k
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In a way, because of P1 and P2, we have the cheapest cars in the region. Because P1 and P2 cars are cheaper than other branded cars of the same class.

The only country in the region with ridiculous car prices is Singapore.


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Actually, I think the car business within the entire Mitsubishi group is relatively small. THEY HAVE A LOT OF BUSSINESS.


They are involved in trains, air conditioning, finance, and more.

It seems they are focused on maximizing profits, but the brand has suffered.

I watched a Hong Kong movie where a Mitsubishi Lancer was portrayed as a police car, but it looked like a Proton Wira—quite amusing.

If Mitsubishi hadn't rejected Dr. M's proposal in 1982, Proton might not have been established.

I'm confident Dr. M approached Subaru, Mazda, Suzuki, Isuzu, and others, but they all rejected his special and unique ideas.

He surely approached many other companies as well.
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Even proton cars are not cheap nowadays….
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Would you mind sharing your family experience?

Actually, I think the car business within the entire Mitsubishi group is relatively small. THEY HAVE A LOT OF BUSSINESS.
They are involved in trains, air conditioning, finance, and more.

It seems they are focused on maximizing profits, but the brand has suffered.

I watched a Hong Kong movie where a Mitsubishi Lancer was portrayed as a police car, but it looked like a Proton Wira—quite amusing.

If Mitsubishi hadn't rejected Dr. M's proposal in 1982, Proton might not have been established.

I'm confident Dr. M approached Subaru, Mazda, Suzuki, Isuzu, and others, but they all rejected his special and unique ideas.

He surely approached many other companies as well.
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When we came back to Malaysia, my dad had an option of either going for a Volvo or a proton. He chose the latter. Specifically he chose the wira. Says much about the guy since he decided coming back despite offers of another overseas assignment in beijing.

Anyways, out of the showroom, when he came back home, he noticed a wire dangling from underneath the car. Went back to showroom and they didn't know what the wire was. This i remember because i saw the wire myself. My old man was sad because he knew then, he made the wrong choice. Then the windows gave way. Random lights lighting up on dashboard and sc didnt know what to do. A lot of other problems and the after sales was virtually non existent. Till this day, my dad curses at proton and would disown me if i bought one. So being skint, i buy peroduas. Their cars i really like and can last.

Proton to me, epitomizes the negative malaysian spirit. Lackluster and full of shit. All that money down the drain. I hate proton equally like i hate the highway scene in malaysia. Good day ts.

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Even proton cars are not cheap nowadays….
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campro technology


Iriz,saga,persona



New china geely(a bit VOLVO TECHNOLOGY)

X70,X50,S70


S90 incoming 2024

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When we came back to Malaysia, my dad had an option of either going for a Volvo or a proton. He chose the latter. Specifically he chose the wira. Says much about the guy since he decided coming back despite offers of another overseas assignment in beijing.

Anyways, out of the showroom, when he came back home, he noticed a wire dangling from underneath the car. Went back to showroom and they didn't know what the wire was. This i remember because i saw the wire myself. My old man was sad because he knew then, he made the wrong choice. Then the windows gave way. Random lights lighting up on dashboard and sc didnt know what to do. A lot of other problems and the after sales was virtually non existent. Till this day, my dad curses at proton and would disown me if i bought one. So being skint, i buy peroduas. Their cars i really like and can last.

Proton to me, epitomizes the negative malaysian spirit. Lackluster and full of shit. All that money down the drain. I hate proton equally like i hate the highway scene in malaysia. Good day ts.
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Thanks for sharing.Which year you bought proton wira?
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Thanks for sharing.Which year you bought proton wira?
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A year before komanwel in 97. It could have just been plain bad luck and we got a lemon. But lemon or no lemon, the negatives would have to take at least 2 generations to clear through 😅
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Before proton came into existence: Nissan Sunny 130Y less than RM18k. My dad bought Toyota corona 1.8 for RM28k in 1981
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40 years and we successfully cultivate gens of car slavery.

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we didnt protect enough
should protect more

anyway having to pay 1/4 income for a car is fking crazy i dont know how you guys cope.

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Is it really difficult to make own car? All the design and parts can be outsourced. I forgot which Korean brand was designed by pininfarina.

Instead of rebadging, just outsource everything and proton focus on assembly. Tak boleh?

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Is it really difficult to make own car? All the design and parts can be outsourced. I forgot which Korean brand was designed by pininfarina.

Instead of rebadging, just outsource everything and proton focus on assembly. Tak boleh?
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Boleh. The result was Saga, Persona, Iriz, Exora, Preve, Suprima S.
But the cost was huge. Cheaper to rebadge
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ayam imagine malaysian changing 5 series every 5 year without hesitation due to the car tax.
all these salahan policy tongkat la..
consumer is the one to pay for the high car price.

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QUOTE(FlamingFox @ Oct 12 2023, 02:04 AM)
Actually our prices seem normal

Toyota Corolla Cross (top spec)

Malaysia = MYR 142k
Thailand = THB 1,204k = MYR 156k
Brunei = BND 51.6k = MYR 179k
Vietnam = VND 860m = MYR 166k
Indonesia = IDR 608.4m = MYR 183k
Philippines = PHP 1,844k = MYR 153k
Australia = AUD 44.9k = MYR 135k
Japan = JPY 2,990k = MYR 95k
USA = USD 31k = MYR 149k
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Don’t know difference between ckd & cbu ka?
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Jan 16 2024, 07:49 AM)
Is it really difficult to make own car? All the design and parts can be outsourced. I forgot which Korean brand was designed by pininfarina.

Instead of rebadging, just outsource everything and proton focus on assembly. Tak boleh?
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Quality issues.

I think because of proton anyhow assembly,after Proton Waja,mitsubishi cancel the partnership....


Mitsubishi image is damaged.....

Power window is the most common issue...

Until now never solve...



Proton and Mitsubishi to collaborate on manufacturing

15 Sep 2011

Having modelled its earlier vehicles after Mitsubishi’s cars, Proton in October 2008 renewed its technology transfer agreements with Mitsubishi for the production of the Proton Inspira to replace its Proton Waja car.

Proton Inspira, which is modelled after Mitsubishi Lancer, was subsequently launched in November last year. Sales however have been slow causing manufacturing to stop temporarily.

Apart from Mitsubishi, Proton is exploring feasibility studies with another Japanese car manufacturer, Nissan Motor, for the potential use of Nissan’s platform and powertrain.




Proton’s prospective partnership with Nissan had drawn investor interest on hopes that the tie-up could bear fruit for Proton’s plans to roll out a global entry car.

Meanwhile, Proton’s share price has been on a downtrend, slumping to a two-year low of RM2.70 on Sept 6, due in part to weak market sentiment and disappointing results in its first quarter ended Sept 30 (1QFY12).





In 1QFY12, Proton’s net profit plunged 94.62% to RM4.55 million from RM84.68 million a year earlier on the back of a small revenue drop of 2.46% to RM2.23 billion from RM2.29 billion a year ago.

The dismal earnings was attributed to higher expenses incurred by its wholly owned unit Lotus Group International Ltd, which has been criticised as a costly foray into the sports car market.

Nevertheless, Proton said the higher spending at Lotus was partially offset by higher turnover in Proton’s domestic sales volume.

Last year, Proton revealed that it forecast Lotus’ capital expenditure for the latter’s turnaround plan to total about £480 million (RM2.37 billion) over a five-year period.

Quarter-on-quarter, Proton’s net profit fell 92.61% to RM4.55 million from RM61.64 million while revenue slid 14% to RM2.23 billion from RM2.62 billion a quarter ago.

Proton’s shares yesterday gained one sen to RM2.81 with 103,800 shares traded.

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atok u cannot trust one...

he did this for his family saham, but not for u guys...

nampak mcm national, tapi bukan hahaha
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QUOTE(lagenda110 @ Jan 16 2024, 08:02 AM)
atok u cannot trust one...

he did this for his family saham, but not for u guys...

nampak mcm national, tapi bukan hahaha
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Established in 1983 as a joint venture between Heavy Industries Corporation of Malaysia Bhd. (HICOM), Mitsubishi Motors Corporation and Mitsubishi Corporation to realize former



Prime Minister Dato' Seri Dr Mahathir Mohamad's project to build a Malaysian car


In 1985 Proton produced the Proton SAGA, the first Malaysian car, with all-round assistance from


Mitsubishi Motors and Mitsubishi Corporation.



At the first,HICOM is the owner of Proton...

Dr.M have many ralationship with hicom right?
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Is it really difficult to make own car? All the design and parts can be outsourced. I forgot which Korean brand was designed by pininfarina.

Instead of rebadging, just outsource everything and proton focus on assembly. Tak boleh?
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Hyundai matrix was designed by pininfarina
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high price or not, people still willingly and happily paying for overpriced luxury cars albeit almost half of the selling price goes to gov as tax revenue

look at how many new Merc / BMW spawn on the road every day, owners happily get into 200-300k debt when half of it is basically tax
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There is no other choice to buy luxury car tax free. Except paying for EV now. Since govt cannot remove AP and 100% tax on car, that is why EV for now is consider "tax free". Even in the future, I dont believe EV will be taxed high as ICE car. Nobody gonna buy tesla 3 at Rm400k.
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Power window is the most common issue...

Until now never solve...
Proton and Mitsubishi to collaborate on manufacturing

15 Sep 2011

Having modelled its earlier vehicles after Mitsubishi’s cars, Proton in October 2008 renewed its technology transfer agreements with Mitsubishi for the production of the Proton Inspira to replace its Proton Waja car.

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Power window was supplied by crony. Precisely designed to fail after warranty. Not that they couldn't solve but didn't want to solve.

Before waja, proton cars were rebadged mitsubishi, that's why some saga and wira still on the road.

Proton is another failed nep syok sendiri project. AP is opportunity for cronies to make easy money.

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Blame Tun M. Thank God he does not create Luxury Marque under Proton.
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is it something like Toyota = Lexus ?
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 16 2024, 10:16 AM)
Power window was supplied by crony. Precisely designed to fail after warranty. Not that they couldn't solve but didn't want to solve.

Before waja, proton cars were rebadged mitsubishi, that's why some saga and wira still on the road.

Proton is another failed nep syok sendiri project. AP is opportunity for cronies to make easy money.
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the hidden agenda is always about AP

Proton? Jual rebadge item under pretext of NEP

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Maha have failed Malaysian.

His skin is too thick and he does not admit his mistake.

Keep distracting us from his failure.
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QUOTE(lagenda110 @ Jan 16 2024, 08:02 AM)
atok u cannot trust one...

he did this for his family saham, but not for u guys...

nampak mcm national, tapi bukan hahaha
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yes and this atuk...he the trouble maker until his age 100.. all the saka jin stay with him and protect him from death... all his kids become billionaire including grand son great great great grand son all billionaire the most successful person on earth... but still take PUAS....
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 16 2024, 09:16 AM)
Power window was supplied by crony. Precisely designed to fail after warranty. Not that they couldn't solve but didn't want to solve.

Before waja, proton cars were rebadged mitsubishi, that's why some saga and wira still on the road.

Proton is another failed nep syok sendiri project. AP is opportunity for cronies to make easy money.
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That power window i heard there is another version, the Proton QC was bribed by the supplier and Proton staff use back the defect parts for it. Proton procurement staff is damn corrupted back then, everyone just want to have their own share of it.
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That power window i heard there is another version, the Proton QC was bribed by the supplier and Proton staff use back the defect parts for it. Proton procurement staff is damn corrupted back then, everyone just want to have their own share of it.
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This is what my hubby told me, the actual part from Lancer for the power window was metal, but the local supplier for proton had it made in plastic, hence it wears out faster and fails. During his younger days he had owned both the car.

Biasala, local supplier memang cut corners, kan! vmad.gif
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QUOTE(Maknusia @ Jan 16 2024, 10:01 AM)
This is what my hubby told me, the actual part from Lancer for the power window was metal, but the local supplier for proton had it made in plastic, hence it wears out faster and fails. During his younger days he had owned both the car.

Biasala, local supplier memang cut corners, kan!  vmad.gif
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Back in year 2004/2005 my friend went Proton for procurement interview for certain parts, the procurement manager don't really focus in listening the presentation, first question he ask is "How much can i get from this deal"

That sum up the whole Proton culture
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Don’t know difference between ckd & cbu ka?
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QUOTE(Maknusia @ Jan 16 2024, 10:01 AM)
This is what my hubby told me, the actual part from Lancer for the power window was metal, but the local supplier for proton had it made in plastic, hence it wears out faster and fails. During his younger days he had owned both the car.

Biasala, local supplier memang cut corners, kan!  vmad.gif
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I agree with your statement here but I would like to stress that in manufacturing we have a thing called "kaizen" or continuous improvement.

Changing material from metal to plastic is common as this activity is one of the kaizen activity. To reduce the cost of production since plastic is cheaper than metal.

Plus plastic part is easy to produce using injection molding and metal part need to undergo various of machining process hence took longer time to prepare.

I'm working in a company that supplies headlamp to Perodua, Toyota and Honda and we have all kind of kaizen activity here but we only proceed once we get the green light from our customer which is the car maker itself.

Dont simply blame the supplier if the car maker itself approved it. 😉

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QUOTE(Akmall540 @ Jan 16 2024, 10:13 AM)
I agree with your statement here but I would like to stress that in manufacturing we have a thing called "kaizen" or continuous improvement.

Changing material from metal to plastic is common as this activity is one of the kaizen activity. To reduce the cost of production since plastic is cheaper than metal.

Plus plastic part is easy to produce using injection molding and metal part need to undergo various of machining process hence took longer time to prepare.

I'm working in a company that supplies headlamp to Perodua, Toyota and Honda and we have all kind of kaizen activity here but we only proceed once we get the green light from our customer which is the car maker itself.

Dont simply blame the supplier if the car maker itself approved it. 😉
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Agree, end of the day, its the ordering company that approves and accepts the parts. In this case its the car maker who should take the responsibility.
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Yes, Thailand and Indonesia in worse situation - car expensive, fuel expensive plus average income also lower than us.
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Thais r adopting EV in a big way cos EV+Solar is cheaper than ICE+Petrol+Electricity.

https://www.chinadailyhk.com/article/339973
https://asianews.network/thailands-first-ev...ith-china-help/

Thanks to knnbccb MM, Thailand has become the Detroit of the East(at least ASEAN).

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P1 is hopeless

even geely laugh at their R&D.

now R&D gone to cold storage because all useless underperformers. after so many years, can't R&D or design any shit.

they apparently went to somewhere, the CEO no need to see their pitiful useless faces.

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Got the best ride frm potong, Putra,Perdana v6 n Inspira MT.
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yes and this atuk...he the trouble maker until his age 100.. all the saka jin stay with him and protect him from death... all his kids become billionaire including grand son great great great grand son all billionaire the most successful person on earth... but still take PUAS....
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And cars like Ertiga, Juara, Tiara, Ress, Arena could fetch "high value" cos they r so rare.
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QUOTE(insan_kamil @ Jan 16 2024, 08:25 AM)
When we came back to Malaysia, my dad had an option of either going for a Volvo or a proton. He chose the latter. Specifically he chose the wira. Says much about the guy since he decided coming back despite offers of another overseas assignment in beijing.

Anyways, out of the showroom, when he came back home, he noticed a wire dangling from underneath the car. Went back to showroom and they didn't know what the wire was. This i remember because i saw the wire myself. My old man was sad because he knew then, he made the wrong choice. Then the windows gave way. Random lights lighting up on dashboard and sc didnt know what to do. A lot of other problems and the after sales was virtually non existent. Till this day, my dad curses at proton and would disown me if i bought one. So being skint, i buy peroduas. Their cars i really like and can last.

Proton to me, epitomizes the negative malaysian spirit. Lackluster and full of shit. All that money down the drain. I hate proton equally like i hate the highway scene in malaysia. Good day ts.
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Very well said
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A year before komanwel in 97. It could have just been plain bad luck and we got a lemon. But lemon or no lemon, the negatives would have to take at least 2 generations to clear through 😅
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PH did announce the intention to have another Proton.

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I only know Malaysia's CBU used to be from Thailand but now it's CKD. And the difference isn't much.
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Holy shit, then your statement is fucking inaccurate and irresponsible. Here educate yourself first before commenting.

Not to mention your comparison suck, Corolla Cross in USA are equipped with latest dynamic force engine 2.0 liter with Gen 5 Hybrid technology compared to Malaysia CKD unit with 1.8liter introduced 2006/2007 with Gen 4 Hybrid tech.

CKD & CBU Price Difference
The biggest difference in CKD and CBU cars is its pricing, and this is one of the main factors when deciding which one to purchase.

Generally, the import duty for CBU cars is 30% while CKD cars have an import duty of 10%. The 20% difference in the import tax makes a massive difference in the final car price.

For example, the Mercedes-AMG C 43 sedan cost RM499,888.00 when it was first brought in as a CBU unit. However, since the start of it being assembled in Malaysia, the price has dropped significantly to RM421,888.00 which is a price difference of RM78,000.00.
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QUOTE(dwks @ Jan 16 2024, 12:01 PM)
Holy shit, then your statement is fucking inaccurate and irresponsible. Here educate yourself first before commenting.

Not to mention your comparison suck, Corolla Cross in USA are equipped with latest dynamic force engine 2.0 liter with Gen 5 Hybrid technology compared to Malaysia CKD unit with 1.8liter introduced 2006/2007 with Gen 4 Hybrid tech.

CKD & CBU Price Difference
The biggest difference in CKD and CBU cars is its pricing, and this is one of the main factors when deciding which one to purchase.

Generally, the import duty for CBU cars is 30% while CKD cars have an import duty of 10%. The 20% difference in the import tax makes a massive difference in the final car price.

For example, the Mercedes-AMG C 43 sedan cost RM499,888.00 when it was first brought in as a CBU unit. However, since the start of it being assembled in Malaysia, the price has dropped significantly to RM421,888.00 which is a price difference of RM78,000.00.
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I'm just taking numbers from Toyota websites of different countries for a comparison. We can't match specs 1-to-1 but what is offered in each country.

The difference isn't much for Corolla Cross in Malaysia (CBU vs CKD).

CBU G Spec = RM124k
CBU V Spec = RM134k

Then we had it CKD'ed (slight reduction with better features)

CBU G Spec = RM123k
CBU V Spec = RM129k
CKD Hybrid Spec = RM137k

Then we had some price adjustments in between

CBU G Spec = RM130k
CBU V Spec = RM137k
CBU Hybrid Spec = RM142k
CBU GR Spec = RM142k

It's not a significant difference for this particular model. I know other car makes have a much huger difference, example Mazda CX30.

Just to add, my comparison is mainly SEA countries which offer pretty much the same model. The others (Australia, Japan, US) are just for reference as those are specced very differently.

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this "champion" car reminds me of those oldern days casket car!
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but the people cannot make it

not sure was planned to create cronies or cronies turn it become a failure
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QUOTE(FlamingFox @ Jan 16 2024, 12:40 PM)
I'm just taking numbers from Toyota websites of different countries for a comparison. We can't match specs 1-to-1 but what is offered in each country.

The difference isn't much for Corolla Cross in Malaysia (CBU vs CKD).

CBU G Spec = RM124k
CBU V Spec = RM134k

Then we had it CKD'ed (slight reduction with better features)

CBU G Spec = RM123k
CBU V Spec = RM129k
CKD Hybrid Spec = RM137k

Then we had some price adjustments in between

CBU G Spec = RM130k
CBU V Spec = RM137k
CBU Hybrid Spec = RM142k
CBU GR Spec = RM142k

It's not a significant difference for this particular model. I know other car makes have a much huger difference, example Mazda CX30.

Just to add, my comparison is mainly SEA countries which offer pretty much the same model. The others (Australia, Japan, US) are just for reference as those are specced very differently.
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If can’t match specs then don’t do comparison like what you’re doing aduuii, already know wrong keep doing it again.

Even your Corolla Cross CBUvCKD pricing also totally unfair, comparing CBU price with 50% Sales tax Exemption during COVID period against CKD price with full sales tax.

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Earlier this year, UMW Toyota launched two variants of the Toyota Corolla Cross. These were the Corolla Cross 1.8G and Corolla Cross 1.8V. Both models were fully imported from Thailand and within just one week, the entire allocation was reportedly sold out. At the time, these CBU models were given a fairly unique SST reduction. As a result, the CKD model appears to have the exact same price.
Source: https://www.dsf.my/2021/06/toyota-corolla-c...ckd-price-list/


For best comparison, go compare Corolla altis or Camry Langkawi against Peninsular price.

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Got the best ride frm potong, Putra,Perdana v6 n Inspira MT.
Very high rV fr putra n Inspira
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As an Inspira MT owner here , how i wish it has very high rv.
You must be smoking weed yo. When i bought my Inspira in 2013 , the price is around the same like vios and city. Today you look at used market value , inspira rv is bad compare to 2.
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As an Inspira MT owner here , how i wish it has very high rv.
You must be smoking weed yo. When i bought my Inspira in 2013 , the price is around the same like vios and city. Today you look at used market value , inspira rv is bad compare to 2.
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If can’t match specs then don’t do comparison like what you’re doing aduuii, already know wrong keep doing it again.

Even your Corolla Cross CBUvCKD pricing also totally unfair, comparing CBU price with 50% Sales tax Exemption during COVID period against CKD price with full sales tax.
For best comparison, go compare Corolla altis or Camry Langkawi against Peninsular price.
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I dunno why you keep shooting my posts, I was merely comparing a particular non-national car model from Malaysia against other countries.

If we look into SEA countries (excluding Singapore), it's a much fairer comparison in terms of specs and our prices look fair around the region (if we directly convert). Note that other countries may have their own taxes as well, so Langkawi prices are unfair in this regard.

And does it really matter if the Cross is CKD/CBU? End of the day, if you want to get one, this is the price that you have to pay in each country.

Malaysia assembles Cross (MYR 130k to MYR 142k)
Thailand assembles Cross (THB 989k to THB1,204k ; MYR 132k to MYR161k)

Also, I'm just taking Cross because it's one of the top selling C segment SUV in Malaysia which is also sold in many other countries.
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P1 and P2 are both rebadged car

P2 is slightly better because the management has Japanese in it

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If there's a way to piss old man.

Shut down p1 and focus p2 instead.
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Thais r adopting EV in a big way cos EV+Solar is cheaper than ICE+Petrol+Electricity.

https://www.chinadailyhk.com/article/339973
https://asianews.network/thailands-first-ev...ith-china-help/

Thanks to knnbccb MM, Thailand has become the Detroit of the East(at least ASEAN).
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Because of MM, very likely we are gong to lose in the EV race. Because we have to protect P1 and P2. P1 might still have an EV eventually (probably very late) because Geely has EVs, but P2 might not because Toyota is anti-EV.
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P1 and P2 are both rebadged car

P2 is slightly better because the management has Japanese in it
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Japanese management may be a liability at the moment. See how they are scrambling to catch up with China in the EV race.
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Japanese management may be a liability at the moment. See how they are scrambling to catch up with China in the EV race.
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ev is still uncertain in long term, toyota is being very brave by not joining the war and instead focus on what they do the best which is ICE and Hybrid
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ev is still uncertain in long term, toyota is being very brave by not joining the war and instead focus on what they do the best which is ICE and Hybrid
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The trend towards EV is very clear already. Toyota very brave not joining the war or totally miscalculated? They have bet on hydrogen and lost. Now only can produce their own EVs and batteries in 2026. They are in panic mode.
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I dunno why you keep shooting my posts, I was merely comparing a particular non-national car model from Malaysia against other countries.

If we look into SEA countries (excluding Singapore), it's a much fairer comparison in terms of specs and our prices look fair around the region (if we directly convert). Note that other countries may have their own taxes as well, so Langkawi prices are unfair in this regard.

And does it really matter if the Cross is CKD/CBU? End of the day, if you want to get one, this is the price that you have to pay in each country.

Malaysia assembles Cross (MYR 130k to MYR 142k)
Thailand assembles Cross (THB 989k to THB1,204k ; MYR 132k to MYR161k)

Also, I'm just taking Cross because it's one of the top selling C segment SUV in Malaysia which is also sold in many other countries.
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Cause your price comparison post is classic misdirection tactic, misleading others here.

The purpose of tax in Thailand is due to government wanting to discourage ICE vehicles sales and promote BEV adoptions. Which is a valid reason. That is the reason why Corolla Cross costs more in Thailand.

Meanwhile here totally just to protect PROTON & PERODUA. They even ban sales of BEV below RM100K just to do that, while removing fuel subsidies! NOT for carbon emission, NOT for financial investment to open production line, NOT for technological investment, NOPE! All for Proton and Perodua!

Your post totally failed to account for purpose of taxes in each SEA countries, merely comparing it at surface level.

Beside, Langkawi price are what we Malaysian are supposed to pay for a vehicle without protecting car rebrander like PROTON & PERODUA.
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Cause your price comparison post is classic misdirection tactic, misleading others here.

The purpose of tax in Thailand is due to government wanting to discourage ICE vehicles sales and promote BEV adoptions. Which is a valid reason. That is the reason why Corolla Cross costs more in Thailand.

Meanwhile here totally just to protect PROTON & PERODUA. They even ban sales of BEV below RM100K just to do that, while removing fuel subsidies! NOT for carbon emission, NOT for financial investment to open production line, NOT for technological investment, NOPE! All for Proton and Perodua!

Your post totally failed to account for purpose of taxes in each SEA countries, merely comparing it at surface level.

Beside, Langkawi price are what we Malaysian are supposed to pay for a vehicle without protecting car rebrander like PROTON & PERODUA.
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If I remember correctly, even before the current EV trend, prices of Honda City, which is made in Thailand, is around the same in both Thailand and Malaysia.

Honda City RS, at the moment is around the same price as in Malaysia and Thailand, at around RM99k.


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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 16 2024, 09:16 AM)
Power window was supplied by crony. Precisely designed to fail after warranty. Not that they couldn't solve but didn't want to solve.

Before waja, proton cars were rebadged mitsubishi, that's why some saga and wira still on the road.

Proton is another failed nep syok sendiri project. AP is opportunity for cronies to make easy money.
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At that time ,mitsubishi should should just stop this stupid power window or door lock....


It use lancer body....

Until now ,proton wira door lock need to press at least 3 times then the door can open.

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Because of MM, very likely we are gong to lose in the EV race. Because we have to protect P1 and P2. P1 might still have an EV eventually (probably very late) because Geely has EVs, but P2 might not because Toyota is anti-EV.
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What is MM?
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P1 is hopeless

even geely laugh at their R&D.

now R&D gone to cold storage because all useless underperformers. after so many years, can't R&D or design any shit.

they apparently went to somewhere, the CEO no need to see their pitiful useless faces.
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Geely sacked them?
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What is MM?
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Who floated the idea of a national car project in the first place?

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QUOTE(Akmall540 @ Jan 16 2024, 10:13 AM)
I agree with your statement here but I would like to stress that in manufacturing we have a thing called "kaizen" or continuous improvement.

Changing material from metal to plastic is common as this activity is one of the kaizen activity. To reduce the cost of production since plastic is cheaper than metal.

Plus plastic part is easy to produce using injection molding and metal part need to undergo various of machining process hence took longer time to prepare.

I'm working in a company that supplies headlamp to Perodua, Toyota and Honda and we have all kind of kaizen activity here but we only proceed once we get the green light from our customer which is the car maker itself.

Dont simply blame the supplier if the car maker itself approved it. 😉
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Your company is continental or bosch?
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Your company is continental or bosch?
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Neither of those two. I'm working for japunis MNC.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jan 16 2024, 03:46 PM)
At that time ,mitsubishi should should just stop this stupid power window or door lock....
It use lancer body....

Until now ,proton wira door lock need to press at least 3 times then the door can open.
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Proton supplier is under proton jurisdiction, mitsubishi could no nothing about it.

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Geely sacked them?
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moved them to somewhere out of P1, so that China CEO don't have to see their menyampah and useless faces.

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P1 and P2 are both rebadged car

P2 is slightly better because the management has Japanese in it
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If I remember correctly, even before the current EV trend, prices of Honda City, which is made in Thailand, is around the same in both Thailand and Malaysia.

Honda City RS, at the moment is around the same price as in Malaysia and Thailand, at around RM99k.
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CKD working as intended, meanwhile CBU Corolla altis GR cost us RM152k vs RM134K for thai ppl.

Don’t know what you mean by Thailand CBU Honda city tho, gotta have to share any news article as I couldn’t find any.
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Neither of those two. I'm working for japunis MNC.
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Koito Manufacturing Co., Ltd ?
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Koito Manufacturing Co., Ltd ?
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Koito Manufacturing Co., Ltd ?
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QUOTE(trusol @ Jan 16 2024, 03:14 PM)
The trend towards EV is very clear already. Toyota very brave not joining the war or totally miscalculated? They have bet on hydrogen and lost. Now only can produce their own EVs and batteries in 2026. They are in panic mode.
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Fyi, .......

https://engineerine.com/8-reasons-why-evs-w...-never-replace/ - 8 Reasons Why EVs will Never Replace ICEs
Last Updated on January 12, 2023


Like I said before, the EV trend was started by the scammy CCP China government in the 2000s bc they could not beat others in patent-protected ICE technology from Toyota, Nissan, Honda, GM, Ford, BMW, Mercedes Benz, VW, Hyundai, etc.

Even modern Huawei's 5G technology lost out to Ericsson's and Nokia's 5G technology, even though the former is much cheaper, eg look at USA's 5G network.
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Likely Stanley
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KOITO MALAYSIA SDN. BHD.
Business Lines Manufacturing and marketing of automotive lighting equipment
Establishment

Oct. 2017


Capital 200 million Ringgit
Ratio of Holdings


KOITO MANUFACTURING CO., LTD. 90%



Number of Employees


Approximately 200 persons
KOITO MALAYSIA SDN. BHD.
Location


PT 12630 Jalan Techvalley 4/2,
Kawasan Perindustrian Sendayan Techvalley,
Bandar Sri Sendayan,
71950 Seremban,
Negeri Sembilan Darul Khusus



TEL:60-6-666-2800
FAX:60-6-666-2809




The automotive lighting market is dominated by globally established players such as


Koito (Japan),

Stanley Electric (Hong Kong),

Valeo S.A. (France),

Hella KGaA Hueck & Co. (Germany), and

Magneti Marelli S.p.A (Italy), Koninklijke Philips N.V. (Netherlands), Osram (Germany) among others.


These companies have developed new products, adopted expansion strategies, and undertaken collaborations, partnerships, and mergers & acquisitions to gain traction in this high-growth automotive lighting market.


For Stanley Automotive Lighting company , manufacturing plants are only present in Japan and Indonesia in the Asia region.



https://www.stanley.co.jp/e/company/base_world.html


Banten, Indonesia

PT. Indonesia Stanley Electric


Factory1(Millenium factory)



Jl. Millennium Raya Blok G-1 Kawasan Industri Millennium, Desa Peusar, Kel. Panongan, Kab. Tangerang, 15170, Banten Indonesia
TEL: +62-21-2900-6996 FAX: +62-21-2900-6995
Automotive Equipment Business, Applied Electronic Products Business, Others

View map



Factory2(Cikupa factory)

Jl. Bhumimas I No. 17, Kawasan Industri Cikupamas, Desa Talaga, Kecamatan Cikupa, Kabupaten Tangerang, 15710, Banten - Indonesia
TEL: +62-21-5940-4506 FAX: +62-21-5940-4510

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Fyi, .......

https://engineerine.com/8-reasons-why-evs-w...-never-replace/ - 8 Reasons Why EVs will Never Replace ICEs
Last Updated on January 12, 2023 


Like I said before, the EV trend was started by the scammy CCP China government in the 2000s bc they could not beat others in patent-protected ICE technology from Toyota, Nissan, Honda, GM, Ford, BMW, Mercedes Benz, VW, Hyundai, etc.

Even modern Huawei's 5G technology lost out to Ericsson's and Nokia's 5G technology, even though the former is much cheaper, eg look at USA's 5G network.
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Yes you got that right.
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May I know do your company manufacture Proton Wira or X70/S70/S50 headlamp?
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May I know do your company manufacture Proton Wira or X70/S70/S50 headlamp?
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So far no product for Proton yet.

Our product including :-

Rear lamp and back up for Honda City
Headlamp Honda Civic
Rear lamp and back up lamp HRV

Toyota Veloz Headlamp
Toyota Vios Rear lamp and back up lamp
Toyota Corolla Cross for headlamp, rear lamp and back up lamp

Perodua Alza headlamp (D27A)
Myvi Gen3 headlamp (D51A)
Perodua Bezza headlamp (D42L)

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So far no product for Proton yet.

Our product including :-

Rear lamp and back up for Honda City
Headlamp Honda Civic
Rear lamp and back up lamp HRV

Toyota Veloz Headlamp
Toyota Vios Rear lamp and back up lamp
Toyota Corolla Cross for headlamp, rear lamp and back up lamp

Perodua Alza headlamp (D27A)
Myvi Gen3 headlamp (D51A)
Perodua Bezza headlamp (D42L)
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No Nissan?

How come such big manufacturing plant only 200 employees?

(From google)

Many robot arm?

Only headlamp no light bulb?


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No Nissan?

How come such big manufacturing plant only 200 employees?

(From google)

Many robot arm?

Only headlamp no light bulb?
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No light bulb. We bought lightbub (signal only) from Osram.
Our headlamp no more use lightbub. Full LED.

Assembly line not so long. Assembly process not more than 10 process. Some of the body of the headlamp we outsourced to our supplier. Hence not so many employees. But tbh now 2024 almost 400 employees iinm.
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QUOTE(Akmall540 @ Jan 16 2024, 09:15 PM)
No light bulb. We bought lightbub (signal only) from Osram.
Our headlamp no more use lightbub. Full LED.

Assembly line not so long. Assembly process not more than 10 process. Some of the body of the headlamp we outsourced to our supplier. Hence not so many employees. But tbh now 2024 almost 400 employees iinm.
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Means the automobile workshop will just assembly one time..

No need install light bulb and headlamp like proton wira?
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jan 16 2024, 09:17 PM)
Means the automobile workshop will just assembly one time..

No need install light bulb and headlamp like proton wira?
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Yes no more light bulb but some of the model still use signal light bulb for example Corolla Cross headlamp.
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Fyi, .......

https://engineerine.com/8-reasons-why-evs-w...-never-replace/ - 8 Reasons Why EVs will Never Replace ICEs
Last Updated on January 12, 2023 


Like I said before, the EV trend was started by the scammy CCP China government in the 2000s bc they could not beat others in patent-protected ICE technology from Toyota, Nissan, Honda, GM, Ford, BMW, Mercedes Benz, VW, Hyundai, etc.

Even modern Huawei's 5G technology lost out to Ericsson's and Nokia's 5G technology, even though the former is much cheaper, eg look at USA's 5G network.
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 16 2024, 07:50 PM)
noted, tesla and elon musk is CCP
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Fyi, .......
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https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/02/21...ic-cars-policy/ - MIT Technology Review - 2023/02/21 - how-did-china-dominate-electric-cars
From generous government subsidies to support for lithium batteries, here are the keys to understanding how China managed to build a world-leading industry in electric vehicles. - By Zeyi Yang

When did China start investing in EVs and why?

In the early 2000s, before it fully ventured into the field of EVs, China’s car industry was in an awkward position. It was a powerhouse in manufacturing traditional internal-combustion cars, but there were no domestic brands that could one day rival the foreign makers dominating this market.

“They realized … that they would never overtake the US, German, and Japanese legacy automakers on internal-combustion engine innovation,” says Tu. And research on hybrid vehicles, whose batteries in the early years served a secondary role relative to the gas engine, was already being led by countries like Japan, meaning China also couldn’t really compete there either.

This pushed the Chinese government to break away from the established technology and invest in completely new territory: cars powered entirely by batteries. ...

(source: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=108845115 - EV trend is stupid trend and those buying EV are s )

= the stupid EV trend was mainly an international money-scam started by the greedy and oppressive CCP China government in the early 2000s, ie to save the environment was secondary or a by-product to CCP China.


Tesla and Elon Musk are no match to the CCP China government, in terms of political power, eg in manipulating the local car market, eg EV subsidies, tax breaks, full govt funding for EV charging stations, etc. Hence, it's no surprise that today Tesla source most of it's EV batteries from CCP China, and for 2023, new EV car sales in CCP China is 24% (about 7 million units) of total new car sales, whereas new EV car sales in USA is only 7.6% (1.2 million).
....... It's also no surprise that CCP China controls the global supply of the raw materials needed to manufacture EV batteries, eg Rare Earth, Lithium, Nickel, Cobalt, etc.
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Proton has a history of employing a practice that involves taking existing cars or technologies from other manufacturers, making minimal changes, such as replacing the logo and branding, and then introducing these rebranded products to the market.
The world's number one rebranded "car manufacturer"

Proton!!!!
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 16 2024, 09:16 AM)
Power window was supplied by crony. Precisely designed to fail after warranty. Not that they couldn't solve but didn't want to solve.

Before waja, proton cars were rebadged mitsubishi, that's why some saga and wira still on the road.

Proton is another failed nep syok sendiri project. AP is opportunity for cronies to make easy money.
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Mamakdir say his idea for his citizen to develop idea, engineering, skills on building car. Since there are thousands of parts involved for building car. Nahhh, i rather follow Thailand method, manufacturers hub for most car and those car sold abroad at much higher quantity. ROI, financial benefits much better than built own brand
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Mamakdir say his idea for his citizen to develop idea, engineering, skills on building car. Since there are thousands of parts involved for building car. Nahhh, i rather follow Thailand method, manufacturers hub for most car and those car sold abroad at much higher quantity. ROI, financial benefits much better than built own brand
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Under akut, appointment and promotion in glc and gomen service is who you know not what you know. road regulations in this country is among the strictest in the world, it is almost impossible for one to modify car. how to bring up the car industry?
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Under akut, appointment and promotion in glc and gomen service is who you know not what you know. road regulations in this country is among the strictest in the world, it is almost impossible for one to modify car. how to bring up the car industry?
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Seems Proton S70 sales target achieved.

But Malaysia still many people modify car..


Exhaust pipe......

Car Accessories business very good
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Seems Proton S70 sales target achieved.

But Malaysia still many people modify car..
Exhaust pipe......

Car Accessories business very good
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You have not seen what car modification means in other countries.

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Actually our prices seem normal

Toyota Corolla Cross (top spec)

Malaysia = MYR 142k
Thailand = THB 1,204k = MYR 156k
Brunei = BND 51.6k = MYR 179k
Vietnam = VND 860m = MYR 166k
Indonesia = IDR 608.4m = MYR 183k
Philippines = PHP 1,844k = MYR 153k
Australia = AUD 44.9k = MYR 135k
Japan = JPY 2,990k = MYR 95k
USA = USD 31k = MYR 149k
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Our non local branded car used to be high when Proton started, especiall in 90s and early 2000s.
Nowadays these car prices in Malaysiia are among the cheapest in the region.
Some people still got stuck in the 90s.

I used to dislike Proton because they caused our cars to be expensive then. But after I grew older, I realized that Proton is our missed opportunity to be a creator nation.

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Who said Proton is a failure? It may be a failure for the Raykat, having to pay for high car price. But it is certainly a big success for people with connection supplying parts to Proton.

Clueless people only know of 1MDB. Not knowing there are many other ways to get rich.

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Pls reduce import tax already. Proton no longer Malaysia own anyway.
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Pls reduce import tax already. Proton no longer Malaysia own anyway.
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Ahhhh....the number of bailouts......

Buying and feeding a useless company Lotus...with all the graphical poster cars....that never came out for half decade....


Just rebadge with shame la.....decades of suap in , suap out by politicians



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Proton improve a lot already lah, with x50, x70, s50, the ride even better than continental cars. Even saga personal improve.

You cannot compare with saga wira decade ago, those cars are really junk, Malaysian got scammed and milked big time.
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QUOTE(Bill888 @ Jul 3 2024, 09:41 AM)
Proton improve a lot already lah, with x50, x70, s50, the ride even better than continental cars. Even saga personal improve.

You cannot compare with saga wira decade ago, those cars are really junk, Malaysian got scammed and milked big time.
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But the price is still...

Proton S70 ,X50, X70, and X90.

Pity that the Proton S70's sales are not good.

There is no S50.

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Rakyat ditipu oleh pengkhianat negara. Masih lagi di tipu sampai sekarang.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMIJsqaB1yc/...XI4dXhoMmN5aTlr



Proton X50 windows so


Many car owner kena



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Should organize a turun padang event like today for potong
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMIJsqaB1yc/...XI4dXhoMmN5aTlr
Proton X50 windows so
Many car owner kena
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Nah, not buying plotong anymore after my last waja and power windows issue. Why my nissan and honda never had the same issue? Both also local assembled using locally sourced parts..
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Nah, not buying plotong anymore after my last waja and power windows issue. Why my nissan and honda never had the same issue? Both also local assembled using locally sourced parts..
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Even perodua no issue right?
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Parts agreement only signed on 1997?
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so x70 now no free umbrella? free fire extinguisher biggrin.gif
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Heard x50 many kena power window...

You bought x70 or x90?
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Even perodua no issue right?
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Even perodua no issue right?
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My wife's previous 1st batch mybi no issue, even my brother's Bezza (2019) pon tarak window problem. P1 ccp owners penipu scammer all I can say.

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Why are we now paying high car prices to plotek a China carmaker? Or a bunch of fruity AP holders?
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if u noticed, those ap holders associated with mahatheer/rafeedah all diam diam already

see na za
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Even perodua no issue right?
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QUOTE(pgsiemkia @ Jul 27 2025, 01:38 AM)
My wife's previous 1st batch mybi no issue, even my brother's Bezza (2019) pon tarak window problem. P1 ccp owners penipu scammer all I can say.
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one of the berukdua Achilles' heel is the a/c

this one u kenot compete with plotong super cold
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Another nep failure.

Bestest in syok sendiri.

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if u noticed, those ap holders associated with mahatheer/rafeedah all diam diam already

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My wife's previous 1st batch mybi no issue, even my brother's Bezza (2019) pon tarak window problem. P1 ccp owners penipu scammer all I can say.
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P2 engine leaking is common. Windows issue is nothing just cheap replacement, even can modify it.
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It's from China now, what you expect.
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Most are billionaires, better not to quarrel with /k.
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big boss all enjoying life , meanwhile all slaves working like f for commissions.

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big boss all enjoying life , meanwhile all slaves working like f for commissions.
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To pay for cronies billionaire lifestyle.

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Heard x50 many kena power window...

You bought x70 or x90?
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But but awek claimed x50 laju sebab ade 4 ekzos, memang laju
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But but awek claimed x50 laju sebab ade 4 ekzos, memang laju
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Still waiting for Plotong to bring in Geely FY11, which is pretty much a poor man's version of this
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GEELY AUTOMOBILE HOLDINGS LIMITED
(Incorporated in the Cayman Islands with limited liability)
(Stock code: 175)


DISCLOSEABLE AND CONNECTED TRANSACTIONS
IN RELATION TO THE ACQUISITIONS OF
49.9% OF THE ISSUED AND PAID-UP
ORDINARY SHARE CAPITAL OF PROTON AND DHG


https://www1.hkexnews.hk/listedco/listconew...23012000307.pdf




20 January 2023 (after trading hours)


Since 2023, Geely Automobile Holdings Ltd (0175.hk) buy 49.9% from Zhejiang Geely Holding Group.....






As at the date of this announcement, the sole shareholder of GIHK is Geely Holding, which is
ultimately beneficially wholly-owned by Mr. Li and his associate.

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Hyundai car started at about the same time as proton. Proton is another nep failure.

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Pls reduce import tax already. Proton no longer Malaysia own anyway.
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at this point i think it's not proton when comes to process.. they are just being used in name.. those cronies will still want their AP aka free money. government just giving excuse of P1 and P2 cause they want to tax whatever they can.
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Aug 17 2025, 08:30 AM)
at this point i think it's not proton when comes to process.. they are just being used in name.. those cronies will still want their AP aka free money. government just giving excuse of P1 and P2 cause they want to tax whatever they can.
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Exactly, it is already 2025, still got people believe this is due to
protecting the p1 and p2, they are partially correct because some people are protected and also due to this being a good source of government revenue
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But but awek claimed x50 laju sebab ade 4 ekzos, memang laju
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Now they can claim much faster cz legit 4 exhaust with 4 cylinders. Good job Geely rid off the blue color eyes people tech for 3 cylinders engine, which with Turbo, did not saving a lot of fuel as in theory.
This half cook tech are similar like double spark plug tech which in theories make double spark to gain efficiency but on real world just not. This include the recent auto start stop tech which US said to rid off this annoying tech
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Aug 17 2025, 04:19 AM)
GEELY AUTOMOBILE HOLDINGS LIMITED
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(Stock code: 175)
DISCLOSEABLE AND CONNECTED TRANSACTIONS
IN RELATION TO THE ACQUISITIONS OF
49.9% OF THE ISSUED AND PAID-UP
ORDINARY SHARE CAPITAL OF PROTON AND DHG
https://www1.hkexnews.hk/listedco/listconew...23012000307.pdf
20 January 2023 (after trading hours)
Since 2023, Geely Automobile Holdings Ltd (0175.hk) buy 49.9% from Zhejiang Geely Holding Group.....
As at the date of this announcement, the sole shareholder of GIHK is Geely Holding, which is
ultimately beneficially wholly-owned by Mr. Li and his associate.
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Business wise, its better they just do rebadging process for the local car instead of spend huge money for build it up from ground zero. If we keep giving them money via R&D, doubt we can have a taste of GDI tech, DCT gb tech and sure repeat extend of Campro junk engine to the future.
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 17 2025, 11:43 AM)
Business wise, its better they just do rebadging process for the local car instead of spend huge money for build it up from ground zero. If we keep giving them money via R&D, doubt we can have a taste of GDI tech, DCT gb tech and sure repeat extend of Campro junk engine to the future.
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Just now I read Drb-hicom report,

It have mitsubishi malaysia stake,honda malaysia 34% , isuzu malaysia stake


But profit is not much


So kesian...

Such a big group

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Business wise, its better they just do rebadging process for the local car instead of spend huge money for build it up from ground zero. If we keep giving them money via R&D, doubt we can have a taste of GDI tech, DCT gb tech and sure repeat extend of Campro junk engine to the future.
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TANJUNG MALIM, Sept 4 — Prime Minister Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim today gave his assurance that Proton’s second electric vehicle (EV), the e.MAS5, will be priced within reach of middle-income Malaysians, countering criticism that EV ownership is only for the wealthy.

Speaking at the launch of Proton’s first EV plant here, Anwar said the national carmaker has been tasked with producing an EV that is both competitive and accessible, in line with the government’s aim of expanding clean mobility to all income groups.

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“I have been informed that we can work towards lowering costs to make it more competitive and to meet the needs of communities with more modest incomes.

“I was also told by [Datuk Seri] Tengku Zafrul that there has been criticism saying the tax exemptions for EVs only benefit the wealthy. But with this product, it addresses the needs of people with lower incomes, allowing them to buy cars at a lower cost,” he said in his speech.

Anwar added that the e.MAS5 would feature an improved driving range and enhanced charging convenience, making it more practical for everyday use.

The Proton e.MAS5 was first unveiled in May and is slated for launch in the fourth quarter of this year.

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Proton has explained that the “5” in the e.MAS5 name reflects its compact form factor, distinguishing it from the larger e.MAS7 SUV.

The e.MAS5 is being positioned for younger buyers, while the e.MAS7 is targeted at families.




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Could the e.MAS 5 be priced between RM70,000 and RM80,000?

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If the government is so concerned about lower revenue if they lower tax on imported cars just introduce the gst la
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If the government is so concerned about lower revenue if they lower tax on imported cars just introduce the gst la
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Yup, jangan tok kok about EV utk middle income!
EV operating system & battery technology is still evolving.
Current state is beli, pakai & buang!
Middle income taking hits after hits till soon jadi B40!
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This is a story of when you don't have such a big head,don't wear such a big hat , or when your Didi is small why buy xxxl size condom to wear ,sure disaster and people paying for the price and still paying
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Mamak chose the worst Jap manufacturer to partner with.
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And never had its own R&D and venture. Thus....

A BIG FAT FAILURE.
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To pay for cronies billionaire lifestyle.
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Mission accomplished. Cronies and their licker don't even drive P1 or P2. whistling.gif

And it's an easy money for government where many Malaysians had to get a loan to pay for the automotive related taxes. Government makes more money on a car than the manufacturer themselves, no need to set up R & D, marketing, logistics, etc... Crazy rclxub.gif


QUOTE(backspace66 @ Aug 17 2025, 08:50 AM)
Exactly, it is already 2025, still got people believe this is due to
protecting the p1 and p2, they are partially correct because some people are protected and also due to this being a good source of government revenue
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Go to kampung - many still die die defend that Proton eMAS is truly Malaysian made EV, canggih one, on par with China made one. rclxub.gif I had a 'fight' with this kind of people many times. whistling.gif


QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 5 2025, 07:19 AM)
Yup, jangan tok kok about EV utk middle income!
EV operating system & battery technology is still evolving.
Current state is beli, pakai & buang!
Middle income taking hits after hits till soon jadi B40!
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Buying an EV - must have that pakai & buang mindset. No need to think of 2nd hand value afterwards. Buy and enjoy it, then ditch it. Get a new one. Like buying a mobile phone.
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Mamak chose the worst Jap manufacturer to partner with.
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And never had its own R&D and venture. Thus....

A BIG FAT FAILURE.
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Mitsubishi sold the least number of car; Nissan, Toyota and Honda were not interested to JV with gomen.

At one time, proton had 70% of market share, they were arrogant thought they could beat the world.

Unless is protected by policy, everything nep is a failure.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Sep 5 2025, 08:01 AM)
Mitsubishi sold the least number of car; Nissan, Toyota and Honda were not interested to JV with gomen.

At one time, proton had 70% of market share, they were arrogant thought they could beat the world.

Unless is protected by policy, everything nep is a failure.
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First and foremost, the hole nation is built on a pack of cards, geared for failure.
No need for meritocracy. No need for struggle and advancement and thus no need for hardcore R & D.
They are always happy with present success. With lots of domestic protectionism.
When Globalism came in, the cards fell down and expose the nudity of the policies.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Sep 5 2025, 08:01 AM)
Mitsubishi sold the least number of car; Nissan, Toyota and Honda were not interested to JV with gomen.

At one time, proton had 70% of market share, they were arrogant thought they could beat the world.

Unless is protected by policy, everything nep is a failure.
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First and foremost, the hole nation is built on a pack of cards, geared for failure.
No need for meritocracy. No need for struggle and advancement and thus no need for hardcore R & D.
They are always happy with present success. With lots of domestic protectionism.
When Globalism came in, the cards fell down and expose the nudity of the policies.
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QUOTE(haturaya @ Sep 5 2025, 07:39 AM)
Mission accomplished. Cronies and their licker don't even drive P1 or P2.  whistling.gif 

And it's an easy money for government where many Malaysians had to get a loan to pay for the automotive related taxes. Government makes more money on a car than the manufacturer themselves, no need to set up R & D, marketing, logistics, etc... Crazy  rclxub.gif
Go to kampung - many still die die defend that Proton eMAS is truly Malaysian made EV, canggih one, on par with China made one.  rclxub.gif  I had a 'fight' with this kind of people many times.  whistling.gif 
Buying an EV - must have that pakai & buang mindset. No need to think of 2nd hand value afterwards. Buy and enjoy it, then ditch it. Get a new one. Like buying a mobile phone.
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Few people realize a large portion of car loan is for gomen duty and taxes. A reason, people disposable income is relatively low in this country.


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I think should do for other goods (ie apple & samsung) also... so more income for local economy...
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Few people realize a large portion of car loan is for gomen duty and taxes. A reason, people disposable income is relatively low in this country.
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Malaysians in their tempurung do not realise how much they are paying for their life cycle of their vehicles with high taxes and poor quality products.

Coupled with poor roads, the cost of owning a car goes up substantially.

Look at the 2nd hand cars in Aus. They are in so great conditions because the roads are so well built over there.
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If the government is so concerned about lower revenue if they lower tax on imported cars just introduce the gst la
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But if they want to lower the imported car tax, it will reduce the country's revenue. GST may need to be set to 10% to compensate.

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I think should do for other goods (ie apple & samsung) also... so more income for local economy...
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Any smartphone that higher than RM 2000 will kena luxury tax?

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 17 2025, 04:39 AM)
Hyundai car started at about the same time as proton. Proton is another nep failure.
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Hyundai Motor Company, often referred to as Hyundai Motors (Korean: 현대자동차 listenⓘ) and commonly known as Hyundai (현대; [ˈhjəːndɛ][b]; 'modernity'), is a South Korean multinational automotive manufacturer headquartered in Seoul, South Korea, which was founded in 1967.



Now hyundai is 58 yeras old

16 years older


Proton only 42 years old....


But even proton reach 58 years old,also same pattern wan lah

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 5 2025, 07:38 AM)
Mamak chose the worst Jap manufacturer to partner with.
LOL
And never had its own R&D and venture. Thus....

A BIG FAT FAILURE.
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Is Mitsubishi Motors the worst Japanese car company?

I think Suzuki and Mazda are also good. Or maybe Daihatsu?

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Is Mitsubishi Motors the worst Japanese car company?

I think Suzuki and Mazda are also good. Or maybe Daihatsu?
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In those days, Toyota was and is still the best. Honda was also good.
The rest are small cikus.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Sep 5 2025, 08:01 AM)
Mitsubishi sold the least number of car; Nissan, Toyota and Honda were not interested to JV with gomen.

At one time, proton had 70% of market share, they were arrogant thought they could beat the world.

Unless is protected by policy, everything nep is a failure.
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After 2000 or 2010, Proton's market share was no longer as large because Malaysians became richer.


Many people started buying Honda or Toyota or Nissan, Mazda,Perodua cars, and Proton no longer used Mitsubishi technology.


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Proton's collaboration with Mitsubishi Motors ended in 2005 when Mitsubishi sold its 7.93% stake in Proton to Khazanah Nasional, marking the conclusion of their 22-year partnership.

However, in 2008, Proton renewed a technology transfer agreement with Mitsubishi, leading to the introduction of the Proton Inspira in 2010, a rebadged version of the Mitsubishi Lancer.

This renewed collaboration was short-lived. In 2012, following Proton's acquisition by DRB-HICOM, Mitsubishi announced that their collaboration with Proton was over and that there were no plans to extend their memorandum of understanding.

Therefore, Proton ceased using Mitsubishi technology after 2012, transitioning to other partnerships and collaborations in subsequent years.
The Proton Waja with the Renault engine version wasn’t very good.

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Does proton still getting government grants every year?
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Few people realize a large portion of car loan is for gomen duty and taxes. A reason, people disposable income is relatively low in this country.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 5 2025, 08:17 AM)
Malaysians in their tempurung do not realise how much they are paying for their life cycle of their vehicles with high taxes and poor quality products.

Coupled with poor roads, the cost of owning a car goes up substantially.

Look at the 2nd hand cars in Aus. They are in so great conditions because the roads are so well built over there.
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Sad but true. Government is keeping that as is. Easy money from people. whistling.gif
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Sad but true. Government is keeping that as is. Easy money from people.  whistling.gif
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Sep 5 2025, 09:55 AM)
But even proton reach 58 years old,also same pattern wan lah
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Yes, definitely, since the motto is "Janji kito pegang" it will be the same.

Quite miracle also the motto can last that long without change.

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Just tax luxury cars lah, those OMV below certain value no tax. More luxury more tax.

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Does proton still getting government grants every year?
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Should be no


Since 2012 khazanah have no shares at all in proton


Privatisation & Progress

2012 market a new phase for PROTON when it became a private entity After DRB-Hicom Berhad acquired 100% shares in PROTON. As the largest Manufacturer of automobiles, DRB-HICOM was confident in transforming PROTON and LOTUS to become globally-recognised automotive players.

Determined to capture the international market, PROTON introduced the Preve. It achieved a 5-star safety rating by the Australasian New Car Assessment Programme (ANCAP) in 2013, a historical first for PROTON.

In August 2013, PROTON launched another global car, the Suprime S: a youthful hatchback with a dynamic and sporty stance.

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After 2000 or 2010, Proton's market share was no longer as large because Malaysians became richer.
Many people started buying Honda or Toyota or Nissan, Mazda,Perodua cars, and Proton no longer used Mitsubishi technology.
The Proton Waja with the Renault engine version wasn’t very good.
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should tax more on those cars....
make proton great again...
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QUOTE(vaksin @ Sep 5 2025, 12:02 PM)
should tax more on those cars....
make proton great again...
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Now proton already quite nice


With geely

Perodua also

Daihatsu engine
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Forgotten by Death.  whistling.gif
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A private limited company, Perodua was established in 1993 with the aim of bringing complete mobility to Malaysians through practical and high-value products and services that are delivered with the greatest of care. Our all-round portfolio comprises vehicle manufacturing, research and development, sales, after-sales, body and paint repair as well as pre-owned vehicles.

To us, complete mobility goes far beyond what we do to encompass the entire Malaysian automotive ecosystem of suppliers, dealers and business partners.

Under our Perodua Smart Build blueprint, we endeavour to continuously develop the entire ecosystem to a higher level of competitiveness, aided by our partnership with Daihatsu Motor Company of Japan which, besides investments, consistently supports Malaysian suppliers via technical training and technology transfer. The Perodua Smart Build is designed to help Perodua and the automotive ecosystem reap the benefits of the National Automotive Policy by making the industry more competitive and progressive.



Actually why dr m want to set up perodua on 1993?
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If there's a way to piss old man.

Shut down p1 and focus p2 instead.
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Actually why last time he want to set up second national car company?
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perodua service centre > proton...
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2003, Potong-Stim Iswalah LMSS with big exhaust from factory
apart from the noise it makes, which was the only fun part, that car suffered the following

after only 6 months old
18000 km

it died outside carrefour subang
jeng jeng jeng  thumbup.gif

that time don't have smartphone to find tow truck on demand.
abandoned car and took KTM home
walk almost 2km home in the dark sweat.gif

next day call tow truck
confirmed is driveshaft patah

mind you, not 30 years old car
even old datsun floor rustbucket like shite can see the tar, also never driveshaft patah after 30 years  rclxub.gif

--and the usual complaints about power-less windows
--fish tank in spare tyre compartment need to pop out the milo tin cover and hang an old sock there  whistling.gif
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Proton Preve should better ......
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Actually why dr m want to set up perodua on 1993?
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Proton was becoming unaffordable to many and perodua was supposed to play second fiddle to proton. perodua limited its production for many years to keep delivery volume below proton.


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I feel these posts always target Malaysians and elsewhere still dont know what is Proton
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not really la...

his passion

his youtube channel always go and see cheap proton if want to buy to restore or not
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Proton was becoming unaffordable to many and perodua was supposed to play second fiddle to proton. perodua limited its production for many years to keep delivery volume below proton.
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KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia’s second car maker has been the number one manufacturer in terms of sales for 10 years in a row, with a record 213,300 cars sold in 2015.

Perusahaan Otomobil Kedua Sdn Bhd (Perodua) sales amounted to 32 per cent of the market share in Malaysia's automotive sector this year. It plans to maintain its lead next year with a sales target of 216,000 cars.




10 years champions !!!!
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The new Proton Saga FL 1.6 Executive has been announced by Proton today, carrying a price tag of RM46,549 in Peninsular Malaysia, a small premium over the previously range-topping 1.3 litre Executive model’s RM43,298 price tag.

This should be good news for those who have been asking for a high spec 1.6 litre Campro IAFM engined Proton Saga, as previously the 1.6 litre engine was only available for the B-Line in the pre-FL Saga model. This new Proton Saga FL 1.6 Executive is only available with a 4-speed automatic transmission and in a solid white color only.

RM 40,000
RM 42,000
RM 48,000

2025 Proton Saga Details Leaked –

New 1.5 4-cyl Engine, No MT, Dual-Screens



This 2025 new saga seems is super powerful.......


I think will hit bezza sales volume also.........


As hinted in previous spyshots, the new Saga might also boasts ADAS for the first time and will be build on the new A-segment Modular Architecture (AMA).

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After 40 years ,finally proton saga is a good car


https://www.instagram.com/protoncars/reel/DRf7Vn7kXDs/?hl=en




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After 40 years ,finally proton saga is a good car
https://www.instagram.com/protoncars/reel/DRf7Vn7kXDs/?hl=en
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That image shown kinda lowered, so the actual is got bigger gap between the tyre arch. 1st to mod is put aftermarket absorber + sport spring
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That image shown kinda lowered, so the actual is got bigger gap between the tyre arch. 1st to mod is put aftermarket absorber + sport spring
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put aftermarket absorber + sport spring will have honda civic feeling?

 

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