QUOTE(keybearer @ Oct 9 2023, 04:23 PM)
Why not just post the details here?
Because honestly, there's a lot of red flags in this scam. Too much details will just be picked apart from certain users who rather insult the victim. Got a few already saying victims deserves to be scammed. I mean yea, some are greedy, but this scam preys on emotions, giving retirees a semblance of purpose in their life.
Secondly, I'm not sure how much I can share. As in, if someone approach me, I can provide names (even though fake), account names, phone numbers in case some of them coincides with what the victim has encountered. This may help convince them that it's a scam. And I'm saying this because it is hard to convince people who are totally bought in.
Anyway, did read around forums and contacted some, and some of the main repeated names are Brad Goh (stealing the name and photo of a investment youtuber), Nora, Wendy and Joanne. It's a WhatsApp group with about 70 people, and I tried testing out around 20-30 of them, and even when I'm picking randomly, all these are accounts in cahoots. But the few names I mentioned were also encountered by a few other victims I contacted before. Account names include nova plus, nic share, Borneo premium builders.
Note, I'm not saying the real brad Goh is behind all this, but his name and pictures are being used. It could be him, and it might not be. I already consider his investment teachings a scam on its own anyway, so wouldn't put it past him.
Ok, anyway, summary.
Group WhatsApp chat teaching you how to invest. Various people with various random accounts will act like they are participants, with a few admins teaching you how to use the app. At first, they let you take out a bit and it works, to convince people the app is legit. Then they engineer situations that require you to invest more, with more upside.
When you want to take money out, they will engineer situations where the account it frozen, need to pay "tax" to unfreeze it. Here, people go through sunken cost fallacy and get blinded by the potential losses and make some last ditch attempt to get their money out.
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Not sure how it starts, but there will be a WhatsApp group teaching people how to invest, and they recommend using this app call nicshare. Looks like a regular investment app with statistics from the stock market. The leader of the group, Brad Goh, uses some pre-market trading, and will teach people how and when to put in money, and when to take out. So, people will put in some money, a little bit, and will get a good profit. Then, they will let you redeem the profit, but I suspect they won't let you take out the capital (I only saw the receipts for money entering, didn't see how much taken out).
Then there's this investment competition (not sure at what stage it happened) with Brad Goh as a contestant against a few big names from other countries. Looks very comprehensive. Rereading the chats, apparently they engineer a situation where Brad Goh is right at the precipice of qualifying to the next round. As in, if only top 3 can go next round, Brad Goh will be between 3rd and 4th. And in one round, he actually missed out, but there was suspicions the first place cheated or something, and the organisers sent out a notice saying he's disqualified. So Brad Goh won. I'm not sure how the competition works, but some rounds are voting, some rounds are the contestant collecting investments. This round is where I think most people put in most of their money. Note that this is what I suspect, it's not confirmed. I gets very hard to ask an elderly for details when they are shaken up.
The above is recounting what my family member went through. But browsing through the chats, there's talk about upgrading to different groups, and amongst the many qualifying criteria, one is depending on how much money you've invested in. This, I suspect is where people are persuaded to put in more to go up another level or something.
Anyway, next is when people want to take out their money. Suddenly, because of the enormous returns, the funds are suspected of fraud or something, so victims need to pay tax (a percentage of total money in account) to unfreeze it. Throughout this experience, the group will have many people chatting, making noise, with a few private chatting you as a friend. Some will be enraged at this, and be suspicious. Then these few will then change their tune, stating they paid the tax and got all their earnings back. But obviously, they won't. They will just keep asking for more, and the rest of the "participants" and friends will advocate for each other, saying they unfroze their accounts and feel relieved. So, these people prey on emotions, as in, how can it be that so many people are involved in scamming one person, and they seem genuine. And by the end, it's more sunken cost fallacy. And throughout the whole process, there'll be a group administrator (Brad Goh staff), a nicshare app customer support, and a couple of "close friends" contacting you. The customer support is the one telling you where to transfer the money to.
This is all I can recount on the fly. Anything more, I would have to dig back the transcripts again which is quite tedious. Please understand my reluctance to type out this much, as I'm not sure how or who it can help, and perhaps all it does is give people chance to make sarcastic remarks and feel like their superior.
Personally, there's too many red flags to alert ppl that it's a scam, but it's still something I deeply regret as I could have done something if I paid more attention to my family member. Right now, I'm more concerned about the mental health aspect rather than the money.
If anyone has any experience on how to help ppl deal with it, let me know.