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JohnLai
post Feb 29 2024, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Feb 29 2024, 03:18 PM)
In this discussion context, the cost of electricity generation is not in concern because regardless of the cost, the electricity tariff is set by the government + Tnb. Even if their cost is free or if higher due to high fuel price, consumers still pays the same tariff.

The important question is can us consumers benefits from the NEM or so call solar project.
The answer is yes or no (well depends on ones energy consumption), the more energy you use, the more saving you get back in a shorted time. For those usage less than RM100, don't bother at all.
Something like the rich use credit card spent and get cash back/rewards point + delay in repayment... the poor pay with cash get nothing.

As for how long the system last can last? All NEM package is only 10 years contracts. After 10 years there is no obligation for TnB to buy your electricity even if all your equipment is functioning. So the ROI needs to be fully recoup within 10 years else it is consider loss
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Correct, hence the battery storage system.
The price for Lifepo4 16s 280ah / 14kwh battery pack is around RM 9000 - 10000 today.
14kwh is quite small though.
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post Apr 1 2024, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(Secret_Garden @ Apr 1 2024, 01:53 PM)
https://www.tnb.com.my/solar-for-rakyat-inc...scheme-solaris/
how many people already submitted their application to SEDA and have already been approved by SEDA but not yet install the system?
Please raise ur hand up.
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I don't even want to bother with SEDA and my local SESCO anymore.
Straight opt for self-consumption with battery.

Previously, I secured all the necessary materials for the NEM, but unable to find NEM qualified installer/contractor to get NEM application done.
Thus zero-export grid tie.
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-.- Since nobody at home from morning to evening*, the saving is really minimal in zero export mode.....

K then, time for battery storage :

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The only problem is my battery capacity is too small for my solar panel capacity of 4200watts.
51.2V 200Ah.

Currently securing purchase of 16 cells of EVE LF280K and 16 cells of Batterotech BT280......
Gonna parallel all 3 packs for total storage of 38kWh.

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post Apr 1 2024, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Apr 1 2024, 03:41 PM)
Please update us after installation. Best if got picture of the battery storage room and the outcome. pros and cons.
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Current installation is very messy. sad.gif
Don't get me started with leaky roof and requires sealant etc....Not to mention buying non polarised breaker for the battery connection to the off-grid-inverter.

I gonna wait for my EVE and BT cells to arrive first before making any changes to current installation. smile.gif
Should arrive in April or May if I am not being scammed? sweat.gif
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post Apr 1 2024, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Apr 1 2024, 03:48 PM)
Actually I wonder why u wann to do this when there is nem.  How much does it cost u so far? Are the battery stable?
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No NEM contractor in Sarawak except 1 company in Kuching which not interested in providing service.
Cause I already purchased all the certified solar panels + inverters + breakers + rails + wires etc, all contractor need to do is install it and certify it.
Takde untung banyak, mereka tak nak. dry.gif They actually want to sell me their expensive package.

Problematic Sinopoly cells, had to replace 2 cells before getting all 16 cells stable.

Cost? Wasted RM3000 for grid-tie-inverter Growatt 4200TL-X which in storage room now. ohmy.gif
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post Apr 1 2024, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Apr 1 2024, 03:51 PM)
woah. sounds like nightmare. maybe can chronicle from start to finish. You do self installation?
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Roof = hired electrician contractor to install panels, they farked up my roof so hard that I had to take off the roof zinc metal sheet and railing.
At the end, I had to buy new zinc roof and perform the solar panel installation at my rooftop on my own and the result is WAY BETTER than so called qualified electrical contractor workers.

The electrical contractor simply sent 2 workers to install the panel at my rooftop.

I can confirm 100% these workers didn't have the knowledge on how to install the panel or even having electrical knowledge, don't get me started with how they left the wires exposed and hanging.
They don't even have the proper tool to tighten the bolt/nuts. Ever heard of torque wrench? They simply use normal spannar to torque down the bolt until the solar panel metal got bend. Farker.
They connected the MC4 connectors to the solar panels in broad daylight and left the "LIVE" wire hanging down, luckily there was no short circuit happening. The panel voltage is more than 200v in series.

End up terminating contract with this certified electrical contractor. They didn't ask money from me after I show off the damage to my panel and how the live wire was left hanging.
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post Apr 1 2024, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(okyjace @ Apr 1 2024, 04:00 PM)
Did you need to get any approval from TNB / authorities for your solar + battery setup?
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Only approval from local authority on the rooftop installation part. Had to find another electrical contractor to sign it off which I got.

It is off-grid-inverter, no need for SESCO permission. Plus https://www.sarawakenergy.com/electricity-a...enewable-energy

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To promote solar power, the amendment raises the installation threshold requiring a licence from 5 kW to 50kW. This adjustment makes 50kW solar systems easily installable on typical rooftops for domestic, small commercial, and industrial premises, enabling self-consumption or participation in the Net Energy Metering (NEM) scheme, with the Single Buyer procuring excess electricity.


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post Apr 1 2024, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(ticke @ Apr 1 2024, 04:26 PM)
complain to SESB, like if it matters. as long as recorded. lulz
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My local SESCO branch here when I asked = Saya semua tak tahu Sound familiar?

QUOTE(bee88 @ Apr 1 2024, 04:30 PM)
Eh. Sarawak where got nem. It’s only for Tnb account holder.
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https://www.sarawakenergy.com/customers/net...metering-scheme
https://mut.sarawak.gov.my/web/attachment/s...QC2C_D3t1Ei9k10

Remember, the official response is, "Tak ada benda ini".
Funny considering their website has NEM with full details just fine. I got scammed by SESCO, that all.
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post Apr 3 2024, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Apr 3 2024, 10:01 AM)
Nobody is interested in solar in this state because the electric bill is cheap and the power is generated from bakun dam. I'm want to install solar but SEB and Seda not interested in propelling it

Only way is you off grid and connect it to your ev if you have one. BTW how much u spent in total?
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RM 4000 for Sinopoly 48V 200aH (Shouldn't buy from shady supplier, my great mistake)
RM 12000 for upcoming EVE and Batterotech 280Ah
RM 8000 for 4200watts solar panels, technically the total is 5340watts solar panel after I added 4 more panels, but I only able to reach average 4200-4800 watts for most of time at noon (Work very well)
RM 3600 for Growatt SPF 6000 ES PLUS (Off grid model) (Perfection in every way?)

Burned RM3000 for Growatt MIN 4200 TL-X (Grid tie model) (Work great with zero export, not suitable for my usage unless if I can get into net metering)

Not sure about the other misc stuff such as torque wrench, nut, bolts, railing, breakers,wiring, BMS (JK-BMS), active balancer etc. Around RM3000?

SEB and SEDA = don't even waste your time. I tried, and they really not interested to do net metering at all. Requirement = NEM contractor. Minta list kontraktor, "pergi cari sendiri, sini takde list contractor NEM" dry.gif
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post Apr 3 2024, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(adamw @ Apr 3 2024, 07:27 PM)
What's the model? Bought long time ago? Price seems high, almost rm1.5/w.
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Half-cut solar panels 445W monocrystaline x 12 pieces bought back in year 2020.

Ever try to order solar panels to sarawak (the wooden packaging crate and foam etc) and paying all those custom duty? sweat.gif
Tell me if the price is worth it or not.
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post May 24 2024, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 24 2024, 07:46 PM)

Unfortunately my Solar journey ends here . Click the spoiler to see pictures.

As per whatsapp from the solar company engineering team, my roof structure cannot support the weight of the solar panels

"Kayu ni boleh pecah kalau kita drill, bila da masuk L + railing + panel , possibility utk kayu tu mengepak dan pecah tinggi tu".

This means im stuck with a rm700+ tnb bill every month from now on
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I got a feeling that this is not a properly built house, rather it is a warehouse with no permit.........
A properly roofing support will not use that kind of wood.....ada occupational permit ke ni? hmm.gif
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post May 26 2024, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(billyboy @ May 26 2024, 10:03 AM)
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TNB domestic rate
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Sarawak SESCO domestic rate for comparison
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post Jun 14 2024, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 14 2024, 04:29 PM)
Hi John, fellow kuching Lang here. How's ur off grid system now?
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Received 2 sets of new cells:

16 Batterotech 280ah
16 EVE LF280K v3 280ah (plus another 2 extra cells as spare)

Done installing these two sets in parallel during Gawai holiday.
So far, due to rainy and cloudy weather, I am unable to get those packs to reach 55.2V not even once.
My JKBMS integrated active balancers and external Neey/Enerkey 10A balancers don't even turned on at all.

It had been almost two weeks......
I have no idea on the SOC % now since it never reach the voltage that I consider the cell to be fully charged.


Awaiting another set:
16 EVE MB306 306ah


Will be using the extra two spare EVE LF280K cells to replace two problematic Sinopoly cells. Frankenstein time? Currently the problematic sinopoly cells are not connected into the parallel busbar circuit yet.


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post Jun 14 2024, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 14 2024, 06:06 PM)
Would love to follow your progress on your diy solar system. U should start a fb group & who knows maybe make money creating off grid systems that are connected just to charge Evs in landed property?

Is this all done by you alone? Or u hired workers?
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Dei.....you want to me to die ar.........Check your PM later. I still want to live.

edit: Done sending you some of pictures, don't share it.

All done by my self and my dad. laugh.gif

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post Jun 14 2024, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Jun 14 2024, 06:17 PM)
johnlai

I second this.

Make youtube explain ur system. Put subtitles. U might get good advice/suggestion from fellow diy. From here u could have started a hub for more discussions regarding diy
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Nay........my system still have questionable issues, although I have 200A DC breakers, but it doesn't have T-Fuse and the busbar kinda exposed right now. I am trying to find shop to cut a custom molded case for the busbar cover.......

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post Jun 14 2024, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 14 2024, 08:58 PM)
No wonder Hahahahahahahha... Yes I realized not great to share out. I think my dad will have heart attack seeing this. He's an electrical contractor
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Told ya that why I don't wanna share it. laugh.gif

Planning to redo the balance wires after the EVE MB30 cells arrival.

The spring compression part is the hardest. I had a hard time trying to screw the nut because the other side keep on moving after certain force.
75kgf on each end is not easy. 4 spring on each corner = 300kgf.


Bottom is Batterotech and the second level is EVE LF280K.

Not sure if you can see it, but there are 8 cells at the back and 8 cells at the front on each level.
16 springs total.
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post Jun 15 2024, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(adamw @ Jun 15 2024, 10:40 AM)
Do you know what grades are the EVE MB306 or
should it be MB30?
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No idea, I bought it from Shenzhen Qishou Technology Limited and still waiting for MB30 arrival....in another 2 months or so?
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post Jun 27 2024, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Jun 27 2024, 03:06 PM)
just installed solar system yesterday, 7kwh panel, installed solaris cloud app to monitor today, solar panel is 7kw, but the max it reaches in the app is only 5kw, it's pretty darn hot and sunny outside. Not sure why, need to follow up with technician
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Bro.....that 7kWh output is under Standard Test Conditions (STC) aka perfect laboratory condition. You should read the spec on Normal Operating Cell Temperature (NOCT) instead.

Generally, you should expect 70% - 80% of the advertised STC output.

7kwh x 0.7 = 4.9kwh, roughly same as your app reading of 5kwh.
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post Jun 28 2024, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Jun 28 2024, 03:48 PM)
my house is facing north, and there's no obstruction like tree or roof ledge that causes shade though
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Just go check your solar panel specification on STC and NOTC:
There should be a datasheet at the back of the panel.
Write down the Voc, Isc, Vmp, and Imp detail here.
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post Jun 29 2024, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Jun 29 2024, 03:55 PM)
You are right, my panel has 437w NOTC, x 12 panels, it’s about the reading I get from the app. My roof has no slopes or whatsoever, quite flat, like my ex. I guess that’s the max output. Damn, if I knew this earlier, I would have opt to install 14-16 panels.
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This is known as overpaneling.

QUOTE(bee88 @ Jun 29 2024, 07:47 PM)
Actually, your panel is capable of producing more than the stated value. Most likely is your placement of panels.
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Sure, if his panels STC are met (temperature, sun irradiance, cloud edge effect etc), those panels could produce around 7500watts which is beyond what his inverter can output , but such situation is rare........

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post Jun 29 2024, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jun 29 2024, 08:43 PM)
Actually not that rare. At first I thought that too, but it seems not the case. Perhaps it’s the high irradiance that we have that allow the panels to perform near stc.
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Depend on the earth tilt too.

Have a look on where the "sunspot" on earth move around Malaysia near equator within one year
https://himawari8.nict.go.jp/

At a time, the "center" of sun round move across Indonesia.....another time, it moves across Sarawak.......another time, it moves across Thailand.....

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