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Ivan113
post Oct 3 2023, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:25 AM)
If rain can clean it how come our exterior wall will still be dirty after years of usage?

Even then solar panel guys been telling us, please clean the panels periodically.

No one is doubting the capability of solar generation but it shall never be glorified and advertised in such a way that it does not come with its challenges.

Read both sides of the stories.
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how often do you think need to clean those panels?
Ivan113
post Oct 3 2023, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:33 AM)
Coz my system can monitor per panel production, when I feel the production is no longer there, I can consider to clean.
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I know, but how often those panels need to be clean until somebody complain it's not worth it and troublesome despite 20% pa return? Need to clean once a week? Once a month?
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post Oct 3 2023, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(Choongster @ Oct 3 2023, 03:33 PM)
solar panel in Malaysia cannot ROI.
by the time you ROI your money , your battery and panel will require replacement.
Your total investment is RM47,000
if each monthy you save Rm1,000, that is 47 months .. close to 4 years but your battery will degrade over time and solar panel efficiency is also reduced, you won't be saivng Rm1000 each month.
According to friends in Japan who frequently have earthquakes , they do suffer frequent power shutdown. Their solar panel is for emergency . not to save money.
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huh? batteries? doh.gif
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post Oct 4 2023, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 4 2023, 09:43 AM)
When you put returns like that it will be compared with other investment class. eg:- 5.5% epf , 3% FD, 6% ASNB but you cannot really compare them that way,
If you put 47k in FD, 3%  for 5 years you get 47k + (3%^5*47k).
The 47K that you put in is unchanged after 5 years

If you put in 47K in Solar and you claim 20% return.
By right at the end of 5 years you get 47K +(20%^5*47k) but you don't get it.
You can't sell the solar panels and your solar panels are not worth 47k anymore. . That is asset depreciation.

So technically, if you include asset depreciation. The first 5-6 years is 0% and then only after that is 20%.
You don't understand that you cannot get back the capital that you put in.
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Problem is he is comparing with a variable that most of us do not have to get 20% pa return, which is the freaking RM800 electricity bill, is it that hard to think, damn, interrogating with full skepticism is usually not a bad thing, but combined with close minded is a terrible thing.
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post Feb 25 2024, 12:31 AM

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Is the solar collection consistent through out the entire year? Feels like some certain month it's always raining or cloudy
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post Mar 28 2024, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(skywardsword @ Mar 28 2024, 02:34 PM)
Nope, what ever credit you get, need to spend it in the current year.
Tnb will not pay you cash one. The vendor told me, if end of the year got extra credit ask your friends and relatives come charge their cars in November.

I got a quote in Johor.

10.53kWp for rm35,580. Jinko panel, Solis inverter, 30yr linear power warranty, 12 solar panel warranty, 10 year inverter warranty, 10 year system structure warranty, 2 year workmanship warranty for leaks just in case it starts to leak.

Washing panels is rm800/visit.
Skylift renting price if needed is rm700.
Other troubleshooting for onsite service is rm200/visit.

Recommended by close association. So far good. But my Bod...says Roi is 5-6 years so do not want.
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oh wow, didnt know the credit for till the end of the year, I thought only end of the month, but let me double confirm.

Let's say I am away for vacation for a month, and the solar panel generating maybe 1000kwh when I am away, then theoretically I've got 1000kwh extra to use for my home till end of the year, is that correct? Can check the credit balance in TNB app?
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post Apr 2 2024, 10:57 PM

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Want to ask, after I install solar panel, if it generate let's say 500 kwh, will it first deduct the highest tier rate in the TNB bill or the lowest tier rate first?

I remember there were some uproar about TNB will first deduct from lowest tier first if I am not mistaken not long ago
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post Apr 3 2024, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(adamw @ Apr 3 2024, 01:00 AM)
They will calculate usage first then only deduct  ranting.gif
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sorry, but I don't get it, calculate usage first?

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post Apr 29 2024, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Apr 28 2024, 02:29 PM)
After speaking to about 6 companies and asking questions.

Here are my recommendation. Disclaimer, I am not affiliated anyway to the industry. I am just a soon to be consumer.

1. Some companies will bs story you, because their approach is to maximize profit. E.g. your house uses three phase power. They tell you single phase inverter will work. It is true, it will work, but it’s not optimize and it’s not best for you. Out of the 6 I spoke to, 4 of them tell me can install can use, which is true, but it’s not the best. It’s like selling you snow tires for use in Malaysia. It will work and can use. It’s just not the best choice available.

2. Choose a large company with long track record. Best if they have large corporate clients. Why? When you buy from them, they will be the one supporting you for the 10 year inverter warranty, 12 year panel warranty etc. Sure, Huawei inverters will be backed by Huawei Malaysia even if your installer close shop tomorrow. But it will be very hard to find another installer to touch your system and do the replacement for you. Nobody wants to clean up other people’s shit.

3. Out of 6 of the companies I spoke to, 2 of them is clueless. Just focus on selling. When I ask questions like send me the data sheet of inverter, she answer me the quote is based on my tnb bill. Don’t even know what I am asking for. Don’t even have basic product knowledge. Just sell sell sell — this company advertise heavily on Facebook, name start with a. Worse thing about them that scares me, they used to sell Canadian Solar panels. Now discontinued. Which makes me wonder if your panel got issue claim warranty, they don’t carry it anymore, what happens? Is the installer going to replace for you? Are they going to tell you sorry brand no longer in Malaysia you need to pay to replace with other brand? Make sure you ask.

4. Truth is, solar panel hardly needs cleaning in most cases. If the company start story say need cleaning, charge you how much. Can walk away. If your output got problem, maybe cleaning is one of the remedy — like Godzilla 💩 on your solar panel and the rain can’t wash it off. This is what the big company tell me. Usually don’t need.
Average save RM250 a month. You can go online find calculators. It’s a 5kW system.
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my house is 3 phase power, but they chose 1 phase inverter for me, it's 6.96 kw panel system, set date to install on end of May. How is it not optimized though?
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post Apr 29 2024, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(prdkancil @ Apr 28 2024, 08:52 PM)
Tis good deal? Using huawei , promotion partner with huawei

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mine after Rm4k rebate is Rm17k, 6.96 kw system
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post Apr 29 2024, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(prdkancil @ Apr 29 2024, 12:35 PM)
Using wat brand panel and inverter?
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solis, longi

edit: can opt for huawei inverter, topup Rm2k

This post has been edited by Ivan113: Apr 29 2024, 12:42 PM
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post Apr 29 2024, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(prdkancil @ Apr 29 2024, 12:54 PM)
Ur solis inverter supp max 7kw system?
Sked in future wana add more panel also cant supp jo
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actually I wanted 8kw system, but not enough space on roof, hence has to reduce.
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post Apr 29 2024, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Apr 29 2024, 01:21 PM)
Ur import will be high.
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7kw system with:

1 phase inverter = efficiency?
3 phase inverter = efficiency?

What are the number difference though?
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post Apr 29 2024, 03:45 PM

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I assume my usage will be around 700-800 kwh per month. Assuming if I go with 1 phase inverter, and miss out the ICPT rebate, that means I will miss out 600kwh x 2 sen = Rm12 per month, is the calculation correct? To upgrade to 3 phase inverter, I need top up Rm1,900, need 13 years to ROI? Not sure if its correct if I calculate like this.



from Google:
The ICPT charges for Domestic customers (Tariff A) are as follows:

ICPT rebate of 2.00 sen/kWh is maintained for electricity consumption up to 600 kWh only;
ICPT surcharge of 0 sen/kWh (exempted) will be applicable for electricity consumption from 601 kWh to 1,500 kWh; and
ICPT surcharge of 10 sen/kWh is maintained for electricity consumption that exceeds 1,500 kWh.

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post May 10 2024, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(Jason @ May 9 2024, 09:17 PM)
My DB is also in storeroom, same louvre door as you. I decided not to put inverter there because 1. Heat & 2. A bit small there in the future to fit batteries if needed.
I reckon about 12M. In any case it’ll mean that the DC cables will be shorter and more direct running adjacent to my rain water drain pipe. And the AC wiring to DB longer. Anyhow voltage drop for DC is higher but just size the cable properly should be fine.

Anyhow I’ll wait for their proposal and see what they say. My DB is dead center of the house below the staircase.
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my house DB is in the center of the house below staircase too, wait, how they gonna install? they gonna hack the wall till the db box from the inverter outside?
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post Jun 7 2024, 02:05 PM

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hey guys, my house db box is in the middle ( under stair ), if connect the wire from inverter, they usually just do trunking to cover up the cable. Are there cases where the wall is hack to conceal the wire instead?
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post Jun 7 2024, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(Jingle91 @ Jun 7 2024, 02:21 PM)
My house is strata landed, so the trunking pipe at the back yard wall have to be concealed, can't fix it on the wall surface
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thanks, that would mean it is technically possible to conceal the wire inside the wall without heat issue/etc.
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post Jun 7 2024, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(Jingle91 @ Jun 7 2024, 02:31 PM)
Ya, the installation company's technician said no issue. But of course if next time if the cable got issues, need to hack the wall to replace. I got no choice because management insist me to conceal the trunking pipe

Inside the house, my cable all hide in the plaster ceiling, all the way to store room, then only mount on wall surface in the storeroom cover with metal casing.

They more concern on the door of storeroom, must have ventilation hole. So the inverter and another device won't be overheating.
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oh, does your solar installer does the wall hacking as well? or you hire separate contractor to do that? I got staircase cabinet that covers the db box, that is why I have to install the inverter at the back of the house.
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post Jun 7 2024, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(Jingle91 @ Jun 7 2024, 02:46 PM)
My own contractor hack the outside wall, and leave all hole on plaster ceiling follow installation plan, then solar installation team come to fix wire with trunking, then my contractor conceal and repaint it back. The installation team quote 3000 for conceal, my contractor only charge 1200, he charge cheaper as he was renovating my whole house that time.

How did your installation company advise? My installer said the inverter can not be placed too far from DB box because power will loss during transmission, the longer the distance, the lesser the power receive by DB from your inverter.

Can not open ventilation hole on your cabinet?
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How did your installation company advise? My installer said the inverter can not be placed too far from DB box because power will loss during transmission, the longer the distance, the lesser the power receive by DB from your inverter.

They didn't tell me about this, there is like probably 15-20 meters of wire between inverter and db box. Did they share how much of efficiency loss if it's too far away?

Can not open ventilation hole on your cabinet?

It would be quite ugly if I open a hole in the cabinet to be honest. Plus, there are no way around for the solar panel wire to connect to the inverter if I were to install in the middle of the house.




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post Jun 7 2024, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Jun 7 2024, 03:04 PM)
mine, also far away from under stair store room DB.

the inverter put outside house.

cause hot and noisy.
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noisy because of fan sound? I thought it'll be quiet, just hot.

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