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post Oct 3 2023, 10:38 AM, updated 4d ago

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Hi k/

I installed solar panel for my house 4 months ago. Total cost RM47000 for 26 pcs. Don't know the detail much cos not important to me. All i know is they write Jinko solar 550wp.

So far my average bill from RM800+ reduce to RM40-50. That's a whooping 20% return p.a

Isn't it too good to be true investment? What am i missing? why still not many ppl installing the solar since potential return so damn 7 good. Even EPF give guaranteed 5% only. FD is even lower.



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post Oct 3 2023, 10:41 AM

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wait till u have to repairs and maintenance.
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:41 AM

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around 5 years for ROI in ur case and not everyone having rm 800 tnb bill.

i rarely hit rm 100 per month
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:38 AM)
Hi k/

I installed solar panel for my house 4 months ago. Total cost RM47000 for 26 pcs. Don't know the detail much cos not important to me. All i know is they write Jinko solar 550wp.

So far my average bill from RM800+ reduce to RM40-50. That's a whooping 20% return p.a

Isn't it too good to be true investment? What am i missing? why still not many ppl installing the solar since potential return so damn 7 good. Even EPF give guaranteed 5% only. FD is even lower.
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Yup, everyone should install solar even though they are staying in apartment, cover entire balcony
Since everyone's TNB bills are 800+, can save a lot.
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:42 AM

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800 per month?

High usage worth la


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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:38 AM)
Hi k/

I installed solar panel for my house 4 months ago. Total cost RM47000 for 26 pcs. Don't know the detail much cos not important to me. All i know is they write Jinko solar 550wp.

So far my average bill from RM800+ reduce to RM40-50. That's a whooping 20% return p.a

Isn't it too good to be true investment? What am i missing? why still not many ppl installing the solar since potential return so damn 7 good. Even EPF give guaranteed 5% only. FD is even lower.
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That 47k is not an asset like house. More like a car. It will be deteriorated. Should include depreciation expenses oso . No to little second hand value.

This post has been edited by saigetsu: Oct 3 2023, 10:42 AM
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:43 AM

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Good job ts, save money and environment.

Anyway, how many people are in your house till it can reach rm800 bill?
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:44 AM

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because not many people at home during day time, at night solar not running unless you install battery
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:45 AM

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good. now can do mining.
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QUOTE(saigetsu @ Oct 3 2023, 10:42 AM)
That 47k is not an asset like house. More like a car. It will be deteriorated. Should include depreciation expenses oso . No to little second hand value.
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Can easily last 10 years solar panel if good brand.

If it takes 5 years to break even, good already.
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:45 AM

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5 years ROI, should be okay la..in your case.
save the world also.

thank you TS
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(seiferalmercy @ Oct 3 2023, 10:41 AM)
wait till u have to repairs and maintenance.
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Dude this is NEM - COmes with warranty - maintenance is to wash wipe solar may be everyyear depending on your location- not like car.

solar panels got warranty till 25 years.

Controller 5- 10 years.

installation usually 3 years.

so wait what? till TNB price go up? then think abt solar?
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47k is way beyond what I can afford. I'll stick to my garden solar lights.
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:47 AM

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mind sharing your appliance usage to reach 800rm tnb bill?
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:38 AM)
Hi k/

I installed solar panel for my house 4 months ago. Total cost RM47000 for 26 pcs. Don't know the detail much cos not important to me. All i know is they write Jinko solar 550wp.

So far my average bill from RM800+ reduce to RM40-50. That's a whooping 20% return p.a

Isn't it too good to be true investment? What am i missing? why still not many ppl installing the solar since potential return so damn 7 good. Even EPF give guaranteed 5% only. FD is even lower.
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Exactly - very good deal , will get better in time when tnb prices goes up government already has plan to remove 10B subsidy slowly starting next week.
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:38 AM)
Hi k/

I installed solar panel for my house 4 months ago. Total cost RM47000 for 26 pcs. Don't know the detail much cos not important to me. All i know is they write Jinko solar 550wp.

So far my average bill from RM800+ reduce to RM40-50. That's a whooping 20% return p.a

Isn't it too good to be true investment? What am i missing? why still not many ppl installing the solar since potential return so damn 7 good. Even EPF give guaranteed 5% only. FD is even lower.
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QUOTE(seiferalmercy @ Oct 3 2023, 10:41 AM)
wait till u have to repairs and maintenance.
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Got warranty 12 years for product problem. 3 years for installation problem. Cleaning 5 years once maybe they say about RM1000.

QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Oct 3 2023, 10:41 AM)
Yup, everyone should install solar even though they are staying in apartment, cover entire balcony
Since everyone's TNB bills are 800+, can save a lot.
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Your point a bit extreme but i get it. But currently in Malaysia landed property is the majority still.

QUOTE(smallcrab @ Oct 3 2023, 10:42 AM)
800 per month?

High usage worth la
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I also dunno how become so high. Semi-D only. 2 biji aircon average per night.

QUOTE(saigetsu @ Oct 3 2023, 10:42 AM)
That 47k is not an asset like house. More like a car. It will be deteriorated. Should include depreciation expenses oso . No to little second hand value.
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But ROI 5 years. By logic based on warranty given it should be problem free for 10 years at least.
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:50 AM

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TS working for solar company?
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Do you know the NEM only valid for 10 years? Your "return" has an expiry date. Year 1-5 trying to recover, then Year 6-10 you earn some. Year 11 onwards, you are on your own.
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:38 AM)
Hi k/

I installed solar panel for my house 4 months ago. Total cost RM47000 for 26 pcs. Don't know the detail much cos not important to me. All i know is they write Jinko solar 550wp.

So far my average bill from RM800+ reduce to RM40-50. That's a whooping 20% return p.a

Isn't it too good to be true investment? What am i missing? why still not many ppl installing the solar since potential return so damn 7 good. Even EPF give guaranteed 5% only. FD is even lower.
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You need 5 years to break even. Imo, it should not be considered as ROI during the first 5 years. Don't forget to add the opportunity cost of the RM47000 you coughed up.

After this, baru can consider ROI.
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QUOTE(smsid @ Oct 3 2023, 10:43 AM)
Good job ts, save money and environment.

Anyway, how many people are in your house till it can reach rm800 bill?
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QUOTE(dudester @ Oct 3 2023, 10:47 AM)
mind sharing your appliance usage to reach 800rm tnb bill?
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me wife and 4 ekor anak.

Average 3 biji aircon every night until morning. +1 study room aircon if star aligned and i get to play game. Even my friends and family shocked about my rm800+ bill. I also dunno why so high really.

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:49 AM)
Got warranty 12 years for product problem. 3 years for installation problem. Cleaning 5 years once maybe they say about RM1000.
Your point a bit extreme but i get it. But currently in Malaysia landed property is the majority still.
I also dunno how become so high. Semi-D only. 2 biji aircon average per night.
But ROI 5 years. By logic based on warranty given it should be problem free for 10 years at least.
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Servicing need to pay iinm.

Then again as ppl mentioned not everyone's monthly electric bill is RM800

Also if u put 47K into FD @ 3% for 5 years u can get interest worth 7K.
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:53 AM)
me wife and 4 ekor anak.

Average 3 biji aircon every night until morning. +1 study room aircon if star aligned and i get to play game. Even my friends and family shocked about my rm800+ bill. I also dunno why so high really.
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My bro house paid 3K for ppl go fix the meter every month bill just RM300.
Can ON aircond whole day
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nice ts, the nicest thing about solar is way less guilt turning on airconds because it's way way more effectice than EVs in reducing carbon emissions.
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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 10:52 AM)
Do you know the NEM only valid for 10 years? Your "return" has an expiry date. Year 1-5 trying to recover, then Year 6-10 you earn some. Year 11 onwards, you are on your own.
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Yeah i know. But high chance government extend it for another 5 years at least. Even if they don't the 5 years after projected ROI i can reinvest to get battery. Still no rugi and potentially untung.

All in all even if government remove NEM i still looking at figure close to FD.
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5 years ROI, quite good if there is no additional charges and can run another 5 years.

How about repair and maintenance?
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My bill monthly around 70-80. Then mau pasang kena reject. 400 above only can consider. Aduh.
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 10:54 AM)
My bro house paid 3K for ppl go fix the meter every month bill just RM300.
Can ON aircond whole day
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My friend just consider change from this to solar.

He said not worth the effort to adjust meter. Everyday live in fear.
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that's very good returns.
recently i installed too. 11.5Kw. 47K MYR in total. but averaging only around 600-700MYR per month. my bills decrease from 1.7k to 1k on average now.
as wife is petronas employee, our warranty is extended to 25 years on panel, inverter, and wiring.
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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 10:52 AM)
Do you know the NEM only valid for 10 years? Your "return" has an expiry date. Year 1-5 trying to recover, then Year 6-10 you earn some. Year 11 onwards, you are on your own.
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after 10 y cannot renew?
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my tnb bill average 40 ringgit only

if i install this, would it generate money instead?
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Saving = RM 750

RM 750 x 12 months x 10 years = RM 90,000 (consider your panel doesn't degrade at all, no maintenance needed at all)

RM 90,000 / RM 47,000 = 191% for 10 years.

Let's calculate the CAGR

1.91^(1/10) = 1.067

Meaning 6.7% Compounded Annual Growth Rate (Again, with no solar panel losses, no maintenance needed, no solar seasonal pattern). That's the absolute max you can get for 10 years.

After 10th year, you needed battery to make it viable.


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You can renew, buy new set of panel, new installation again.

QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:56 AM)
after 10 y cannot renew?
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For my case, I calculated very detail and found out that 6 months usage, I already save about rm3800 worth of electricity.

So yes. If got extra money and Tnb bill high, migh as well consider solar.

Money put in Fd can’t even help u cover your monthly electricity bill.

For my case, there is no upfront payment. Meaning no need to pay lump sum. So even more worth it.


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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 10:54 AM)
My bro house paid 3K for ppl go fix the meter every month bill just RM300.
Can ON aircond whole day
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you seem proud of your bro fixing meter?
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Definitely worth if you can afford it. Problem is most people cannot afford it.
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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 10:57 AM)
Saving = RM 750

RM 750 x 12 months x 10 years = RM 90,000 (consider your panel doesn't degrade at all, no maintenance needed at all)

RM 90,000 / RM 47,000 = 191% for 10 years.

Let's calculate the CAGR

1.91^(1/10) = 1.067

Meaning 6.7% Compounded Annual Growth Rate (Again, with no solar panel losses, no maintenance needed, no solar seasonal pattern). That's the absolute max you can get for 10 years.

After 10th year, you needed battery to make it viable.
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But u must understand, we don’t need to cough up 47k.
That compound interest is when u have 47k upfront.


We just need to pay monthly as usual for 5 years. Actual Tnb usage. And next five years total free.
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QUOTE(wilsonjay @ Oct 3 2023, 10:56 AM)
my tnb bill average 40 ringgit only

if i install this, would it generate money instead?
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Yes. On paper. But cannot cash out. Hahah.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:00 AM)
But u must understand, we don’t need to cough up 47k.
That compound interest is when u have 47k upfront.
We just need to pay monthly as usual for 5 years. Actual Tnb usage. And next five years total free.
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I just calculate what went in and what came out. Simple.

RM 1000 paid as bill = RM 1000 paid as investment, it's the same RM 1000 after all.

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QUOTE(am_i_rulez @ Oct 3 2023, 10:55 AM)
5 years ROI, quite good if there is no additional charges and can run another 5 years.

How about repair and maintenance?
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solar panel - wash once a year. wash panel like go car wash clean your car window

inverter - shelf life 8 to 12 years.

thats it

solar system -> no moving parts. very easy to maintain.

got moving parts (like car) then need a lot of maintenance. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 10:58 AM)
You can renew, buy new set of panel, new installation again.
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Panel no need to buy new one. Inverter also no need. Can use up to 30 years. So it is quite worth it.

Coz even after nem 10 years. Ur system still generate. It can at least cover morning usage without battery. With battery investment which could be another 15k at thst time, c potential to save is even higher.
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If worry this worry that then no neee install solar or adjust meter. Just pay the tnb bill.
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4 months battery still tip top
3 years later maybe efficientcy drop a lot.
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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:02 AM)
I just calculate what went in and what came out. Simple.

RM 1000 paid as bill = RM 1000 paid as investment, it's the same RM 1000 after all.
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But 47k upfront in Fd generating interest is very different from
47 k thst u accumulate in 5 years time.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:03 AM)
Panel no need to buy new one. Inverter also no need.  Can use up to 30 years.  So it is quite worth it.

Coz even after nem 10 years. Ur system still generate. It can at least cover morning usage without battery.  With battery investment which could be another 15k at thst time, c potential to save is even higher.
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Do you have any viable battery option now?
10kvah can easily be 30,000 currently.
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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:04 AM)
4 months battery still tip top
3 years later maybe efficientcy drop a lot.
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Battery now come with warranty 10 years. 6000 cycles. So it should be a good thing.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:04 AM)
But 47k upfront in Fd generating interest is very different from
47 k thst u accumulate in 5 years time.
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I agreed. However your return will not suddenly increase from 6.7% -> 30% due to different payment schedule. It will be probably 8% maybe?

That's again, no maintenace, no cleaning needed, no efficiency drop? You know it's super hard to have all these right?

Solar panel efficiency drop 2% for the first year and 0.5% - 1% every year after that.

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:04 AM)
Do you have any viable battery option now?
10kvah can easily be 30,000 currently.
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Yes. Right now not viable. But 10 years time. Okay la. Give it some time to mature.
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TS tokok singsong only. Show la tnb bill before and after install solar
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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:05 AM)
I agreed. However your return will not suddenly increase from 6.7% -> 30% due to different payment schedule.
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Oh. If u see carefully, the money u pay to Tnb is a money thst u need to set aside anyway. It won’t help you generate anything except paying to Tnb. But if u buy system, that money still with you, just in a form of a machine thst generate “money” for 20-30 years
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QUOTE(debonairs91 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:07 AM)
TS tokok singsong only. Show la tnb bill before and after install solar
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My bill this month only rm3. Total usage is 1230kwh

From bill calculator from Tnb, 1230 kWh will cost me rm570++.

There is no bill before and after. After instal, only one bill.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:08 AM)
My bill this month only rm3. Total  usage is 1230kwh

From bill calculator from Tnb, 1230 kWh will cost me rm570++.

There is no bill before and after. After instal, only one bill.
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I got ask you meh? Your mom don't teach you if no people ask just sit down and shush?
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:07 AM)
Oh. If u see carefully, the money u pay to Tnb is a money thst u need to set aside anyway.  It won’t help you generate anything except paying to Tnb. But if u buy system, that money still with you, just in a form of a machine thst generate “money” for 20-30 years
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Yes it will generate for 20-30 years and you can only use it during day time.

Night time is what kill your TNB bill, not day time.

I average 35 kwh per day of usage and day time we hardly hit 10 kwh, at night that's another 20-25kwh of usage, mainly from air conditioning.

So without battery after 10th year, your panel will be covering just max 1/3 of your usage. Not entirely.

I am an avid solar supporter, but it should be backed by solid facts and figures.

There is no announcement for NEM4.0 yet. We do not know what is the terms like yet.

From what we know, NEM1 > NEM2 > NEM3, the terms get worse from one NEM to another.

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I got ask you meh? Your mom don't teach you if no people ask just sit down and shush?
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U seems to have issues with ts. Go get a life.
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QUOTE(seiferalmercy @ Oct 3 2023, 10:41 AM)
wait till u have to repairs and maintenance.
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ROI extremely fast based on TS high monthly usage
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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:10 AM)
Yes it will generate for 20-30 years and you can only use it during day time.

Night time is what kill your TNB bill, not day time.

I average 35 kwh per day of usage and day time we hardly hit 10 kwh, at night that's another 20-25kwh of usage, mainly from air conditioning.

So without battery, your panel will be covering just max 1/3 of your usage. Not entirely.

I am an avid solar supporter, but it should be backed by solid facts and figures.
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My plan is getting a battery after the system. Even if it cost 30k by then, and can help me save 600 ringgit every month. It should be still viable.

But now a bit sked coz battery seems to explode.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Oct 3 2023, 11:10 AM)
ROI extremely fast based on TS high monthly usage
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26 panels = 26 ways to fail, also extremely fast.

You think we all live in an area without dust? haze?
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Oct 3 2023, 11:10 AM)
ROI extremely fast based on TS high monthly usage
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Still need at least five years anyway. I think his need more. Coz his 47k for 14kwp system seems quite expensive in my opinion.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:10 AM)
U seems to have issues with ts.  Go get a life.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Oct 3 2023, 11:10 AM)
ROI extremely fast based on TS high monthly usage
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Talk so much but not a single proof
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:12 AM)
26 panels = 26 ways to fail, also extremely fast.

You think we all live in an area without dust? haze?
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That’s the risk he is willing to take. High return high risk.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 3 2023, 10:53 AM)
You need 5 years to break even. Imo, it should not be considered as ROI during the first 5 years. Don't forget to add the opportunity cost of the RM47000 you coughed up.

After this, baru can consider ROI.
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True also. But this 47k upfront very suitable for me. Cos i total noob in investment. Usually park money EPF/FD . I prefer those long term investment that i stuff the cash somewhere no need to keep track.

QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 10:53 AM)
Servicing need to pay iinm.

Then again as ppl mentioned not everyone's monthly electric bill is RM800

Also if u put 47K into FD @ 3% for 5 years u can get interest worth 7K.
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 10:54 AM)
My bro house paid 3K for ppl go fix the meter every month bill just RM300.
Can ON aircond whole day
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I did the meter adjustment before. Everyday live in fear. You won't save much unless u go ganas and adjust it lower than 50%.
I surveyed before with electrician friend. He said majority will get caught anyway just prepare to offset the compound with whatever u saved. Based on this logic why not just install solar. At least my karma still protected.

QUOTE(infiniti123 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:56 AM)
that's very good returns.
recently i installed too. 11.5Kw. 47K MYR in total. but averaging only around 600-700MYR per month. my bills decrease from 1.7k to 1k on average now.
as wife is petronas employee, our warranty is extended to 25 years on panel, inverter, and wiring.
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Wow damn good deal for the warranty alone. Also ur bill 1.7k ... how??

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first, you need to take out 50k to install
second, you only started, what about maintenance? how long it can run without issue?
third, most ppl electric bill around 200~300, why take out 50k up front
the 50k can pay 13 years of RM300 electric bill.
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QUOTE(debonairs91 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:13 AM)
Talk so much but not a single proof
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Haiya. Let me show u la my bill.

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:12 AM)
My plan is getting a battery after the system. Even if it cost 30k by then, and can help me save 600 ringgit every month. It should be still viable.

But now a bit sked coz battery seems to explode.
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TESLA powerwall seems to be ok.
Around 25k for 10 kvah. Not too bad actually.
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:53 AM)
me wife and 4 ekor anak.

Average 3 biji aircon every night until morning. +1 study room aircon if star aligned and i get to play game. Even my friends and family shocked about my rm800+ bill. I also dunno why so high really.
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Goddamit u use ekor for anak. i laugh a bit.
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QUOTE(debonairs91 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:07 AM)
TS tokok singsong only. Show la tnb bill before and after install solar
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QUOTE(debonairs91 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:13 AM)
Talk so much but not a single proof
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I can provide bill. But need to censor details. scare tio doxx.

If i post u going to edit out all your sceptical post? Dun need to apologize, just edit them to show the proof i provided. Deal?
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 10:54 AM)
My bro house paid 3K for ppl go fix the meter every month bill just RM300.
Can ON aircond whole day
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your brother is one of the reason why everyone else have to pick up the tab instead.
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QUOTE(cloudwan0 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:15 AM)
first, you need to take out 50k to install
second, you only started, what about maintenance? how long it can run without issue?
third, most ppl electric bill around 200~300, why take out 50k up front
the 50k can pay 13 years of RM300 electric bill.
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First. There are many ways to avoid the 50k upfront. Many ppl don’t pay upfront lump sum anymore.

Maintenance try to nego as long as u can

200-300 bill don’t need 50k upfront

Maybe 20k only.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:17 AM)
Haiya. Let me show u la my bill.

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They are interested to see the TNB bill itself.

How much is your import as of now?
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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:17 AM)
TESLA powerwall seems to be ok.
Around 25k for 10 kvah. Not too bad actually.
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But what I care most is this 10 years. Once get back the system and saving, the rest is bonus. even if it is not working anymore, it doesn’t obstruct u in any way.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:20 AM

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Yours 11 or 15 kwp rm47k Macam abit exp a. Some people can get cheaper than this
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:12 AM)
My plan is getting a battery after the system. Even if it cost 30k by then, and can help me save 600 ringgit every month. It should be still viable.

But now a bit sked coz battery seems to explode.
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It will take 50 months to recoup that RM30k, excluding opportunity cost of RM30k.

Then there's degradation of performance to think about, which stretches the break even time. And the inconvenience of having batteries at home (space, risk).
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QUOTE(cloudwan0 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:15 AM)
first, you need to take out 50k to install
second, you only started, what about maintenance? how long it can run without issue?
third, most ppl electric bill around 200~300, why take out 50k up front
the 50k can pay 13 years of RM300 electric bill.
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TNB limit the amount of panel u can install to match your monthly bill.

My case example is 26 panel to generate RM700+. So for your case u can only install 12 panel. Only need upfront RM20000. Maybe instead of changing car every 7 years u consider installing solar once?
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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:19 AM)
They are interested to see the TNB bill itself.

How much is your import as of now?
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Import 1010

Export 983

Extra kwp previous month 70

From app, generation is 1203

So self consumption is around 220


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post Oct 3 2023, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:17 AM)
I can provide bill. But need to censor details. scare tio doxx.

If i post u going to edit out all your sceptical post? Dun need to apologize, just edit them to show the proof i provided. Deal?
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Sure before after installation. You think people so free want doxx you meh?
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:12 AM)
26 panels = 26 ways to fail, also extremely fast.

You think we all live in an area without dust? haze?
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it's a non moving parts
the most frequent maintenance he needed to do is keeping it clean
we have dust but at the same time we have rain as well
so how often do u think TS need to clean it

if you're even worried about solar thn i'm worried about you owning a car

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post Oct 3 2023, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:17 AM)
I can provide bill. But need to censor details. scare tio doxx.

If i post u going to edit out all your sceptical post? Dun need to apologize, just edit them to show the proof i provided. Deal?
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Many ktards here has forgotten TNB rate is yet to hike post pandemic.

Many ktards here also own / will own an EV soon. That would push them over 1500 kWh easily (welcome to the new ICPT charges)

Solar has its place, just find the right one for your usage. I do agree not everyone needed a 40k setup but if your usage justify it then go ahead. If your bill is only 300 then get a 15k setup then. Simple.

No point bashing each other here.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 3 2023, 11:20 AM)
It will take 50 months to recoup that RM30k, excluding opportunity cost of RM30k.

Then there's degradation of performance to think about, which stretches the break even time. And the inconvenience of having batteries at home (space, risk).
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Yes. Another cycle. Correct.

Degradation I am not worried.

Panel now degrade mostly to 80% after 25 years.

Battery come with 10 years warranty 6000 cycle.

So it should be better by then. For batttery tech. Just hope along the way don’t hear any new battry explode news.
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Wait 1 full year and give more details on saving for better case study.
Need to account for seasonal weather difference.


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QUOTE(Jeebuy @ Oct 3 2023, 11:00 AM)
you seem proud of your bro fixing meter?
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Yeah why not
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 11:24 AM)
Yeah why not
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Which method he use? Bypass with a switch? Or other way? The rate is about 3-4k now. Depending on how much u want to save.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Oct 3 2023, 11:22 AM)
it's a non moving parts
the most frequent maintenance he needed to do is keeping it clean
we have dust but at the same time we have rain as well
so how often do u think TS need to clean it

if you're even worried about solar thn i'm worried about you owning a car
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If rain can clean it how come our exterior wall will still be dirty after years of usage?

Even then solar panel guys been telling us, please clean the panels periodically.

No one is doubting the capability of solar generation but it shall never be glorified and advertised in such a way that it does not come with its challenges.

Read both sides of the stories.
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QUOTE(Randomization @ Oct 3 2023, 11:23 AM)
Wait 1 full year and give more details on saving for better case study.
Need to account for seasonal weather difference.
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Yes. That’s why I oversize my panel from my usage. I wanna cover the seasonal difference. I plan to have a bill below 10 for the next 10 years.
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RM 800 per month is pretty normal.
especially if use electrical kettle, induction cooker and hot water shower.
of course air cond at night in room,
living room also got.

5 years return- yeah good 20% return. Even factor in maintenance/replacement also consider a good 12 to 15%?
Take note this particular the figure will increase if TNB increase the tarriff.

some say it may not come.... but if the tarrif increase, the contract will at the same time increase the installation cost.


yes better than EPF. Also some bank offer installment right?



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no, the previous FiT user just need to submit for NEM application without new installations.

QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 10:58 AM)
You can renew, buy new set of panel, new installation again.
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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:25 AM)
If rain can clean it how come our exterior wall will still be dirty after years of usage?

Even then solar panel guys been telling us, please clean the panels periodically.

No one is doubting the capability of solar generation but it shall never be glorified and advertised in such a way that it does not come with its challenges.

Read both sides of the stories.
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I would say it depend on the slope. If yours on flat surface with 5-10 degree , then u might need to clean often. Heavy rain can’t do much.

But slope at 30 degree, should be better.

Coz now the panel has a coating thst repel dust when raining. But the slope also play an important role.
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 12:08 PM)
Hi k/

I installed solar panel for my house 4 months ago. Total cost RM47000 for 26 pcs. Don't know the detail much cos not important to me. All i know is they write Jinko solar 550wp.

So far my average bill from RM800+ reduce to RM40-50. That's a whooping 20% return p.a

Isn't it too good to be true investment? What am i missing? why still not many ppl installing the solar since potential return so damn 7 good. Even EPF give guaranteed 5% only. FD is even lower.

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This is valid for household that has electric bills close to 4 figures per month. But people with such bill usually would have no problem coming up with RM50K for a Solar system. Annually can see the bill is more than RM 10K.

But then again coughing up RM50K for something that you cannot feel it is functioning feels painful.


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QUOTE(mroys@lyn @ Oct 3 2023, 11:26 AM)
no, the previous FiT user just need to submit for NEM application without new installations.
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Finally some good news.
That is good to know.
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:38 AM)
Hi k/

I installed solar panel for my house 4 months ago. Total cost RM47000 for 26 pcs. Don't know the detail much cos not important to me. All i know is they write Jinko solar 550wp.

So far my average bill from RM800+ reduce to RM40-50. That's a whooping 20% return p.a

Isn't it too good to be true investment? What am i missing? why still not many ppl installing the solar since potential return so damn 7 good. Even EPF give guaranteed 5% only. FD is even lower.

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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Oct 3 2023, 11:29 AM)
3 years in Solar-NEM2 package-10kvah. 20 years warranty. Latest bil RM11.35
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Wow. Damn u manage to get nem2.0. Congrats.
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Oct 3 2023, 11:29 AM)
This is valid for household that has electric bills close to 4 figures per month. But people with such bill usually would have no problem coming up with RM50K for a Solar system. Annually can see the bill is more than RM 10K.

But then again coughing up RM50K for something that you cannot feel it is functioning feels painful.
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Small bill also got smaller system thst give similar roi. Not necessary 50k. 13k also can get a system. Now usually ppp go for 20k system. For bill 200-300
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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:25 AM)
If rain can clean it how come our exterior wall will still be dirty after years of usage?

Even then solar panel guys been telling us, please clean the panels periodically.

No one is doubting the capability of solar generation but it shall never be glorified and advertised in such a way that it does not come with its challenges.

Read both sides of the stories.
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how often do you think need to clean those panels?
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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:32 AM)
how often do you think need to clean those panels?
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Coz my system can monitor per panel production, when I feel the production is no longer there, I can consider to clean.


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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:14 AM)
True also. But this 47k upfront very suitable for me. Cos i total noob in investment. Usually park money EPF/FD . I prefer those long term investment that i stuff the cash somewhere no need to keep track.
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If this 47k doesn't give you hardship and you save RM750 per month in tnb bills, it does seem to be a good choice for you. If you put 47k in epf and assume epf interest of 5.5%, you'll have RM80k in epf after 10 years, compared to 90k in tnb savings.
On paper , you untung but do note that after 10 years if nem is not extended, your tnb savings plunge but your epf continues to earn compounded money for you. That's the risk, returns wise.

However, tnb tariffs may increase over time and your savings will too.

Most importantly, you feel good about it.
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fuh 800. my current house got 6 ppl 3 aircond day n night also only rm200-300 per month
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:21 AM)
Import 1010

Export 983

Extra kwp previous month 70

From app, generation is 1203

So self consumption is around 220
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Looks like the solar only managed to cover less than 20% of your usage (day time).

Move some energy intensive stuff to day time perhaps?

Your import still ok. 500 kwh away still from the ICPT charges.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 3 2023, 11:34 AM)
If this 47k doesn't give you hardship and you save RM750 per month in tnb bills, it does seem to be a good choice for you. If you put 47k in epf and assume epf interest of 5.5%, you'll have RM80k in epf after 10 years, compared to 90k in tnb savings.
On paper , you untung but do note that after 10 years if nem is not extended, your tnb savings plunge but your epf continues to earn compounded money for you. That's the risk, returns wise.

However, tnb tariffs may increase over time and your savings will too.

Most importantly, you feel good about it.
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Problem is we can’t put 47k straight into year 1. Coz we don’t have the money upfront. Solar don’t need 47k upfront. Just need monthly commitment.

U don’t do solar, the 47 k goes to Tnb anyway. And in fact , over 10 years 90k goes to Tnb.

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:36 AM)
Looks like the solar only managed to cover less than 20% of your usage (day time).

Move some energy intensive stuff to day time perhaps?

Your import still ok. 500 kwh away still from the ICPT charges.
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Yes. So battery is the solution
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QUOTE(Clueless07 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:25 AM)
RM 800 per month is pretty normal.
especially if use electrical kettle, induction cooker and hot water shower.
of course air cond at night in room,
living room also got.

5 years return- yeah good 20% return. Even factor in maintenance/replacement also consider  a good 12 to 15%?
Take note this particular the figure will increase if TNB increase the tarriff.

some say it may not come.... but if the tarrif increase, the contract will at the same time increase the installation cost.
yes better than EPF. Also some bank offer installment right?
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My bill rm250 max

Living area 2 airconds but very seldom on
3 airconds rooms 12 hours usage daily
Kitchen everything electrical no buy gas tangki
Water heater 3 bathrooms

2 big 2 small

RM800 normal?????? hmmmmmmmm
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price is like a car. Got buy insurance ?
What if panel got damaged like hale storm or some monkeys come smash it ?
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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:25 AM)
If rain can clean it how come our exterior wall will still be dirty after years of usage?

Even then solar panel guys been telling us, please clean the panels periodically.

No one is doubting the capability of solar generation but it shall never be glorified and advertised in such a way that it does not come with its challenges.

Read both sides of the stories.
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Exterior need clean but not as often or expensive as u think. It's like washing windows. Difficult part is accessing the panel since it's on the roof. They half hint can hire foreigner go up there do "servicing". But engaging them is better cos they go up check the panel etc. But still it's not going to cost more than rm1000.

I actually surveyed a lot since the first roll out the solar package back in 2010. My uncle installed the RM16000 deal back then while i opted for "adjust meter". His ROI is in 6 years and until now 12 years already the amount generated doesnt drop if at all. He said agak2 90%+ efficiency from installation. His deal is perpetual TNB buy back the energy cos first of the first in Malaysia. Main reason why i invest into solar even if it's NEM 3.0

QUOTE(Clueless07 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:25 AM)
RM 800 per month is pretty normal.
especially if use electrical kettle, induction cooker and hot water shower.
of course air cond at night in room,
living room also got.

5 years return- yeah good 20% return. Even factor in maintenance/replacement also consider  a good 12 to 15%?
Take note this particular the figure will increase if TNB increase the tarriff.

some say it may not come.... but if the tarrif increase, the contract will at the same time increase the installation cost.
yes better than EPF. Also some bank offer installment right?
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The current trend of oil price. Unless Malaysia go nuclear power plant the electricity price will only increase. Also Malaysia government now more n more ganas against T20, they will 100% go after high consumption household.

QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 3 2023, 11:34 AM)
If this 47k doesn't give you hardship and you save RM750 per month in tnb bills, it does seem to be a good choice for you. If you put 47k in epf and assume epf interest of 5.5%, you'll have RM80k in epf after 10 years, compared to 90k in tnb savings.
On paper , you untung but do note that after 10 years if nem is not extended, your tnb savings plunge but your epf continues to earn compounded money for you. That's the risk, returns wise.

However, tnb tariffs may increase over time and your savings will too.

Most importantly, you feel good about it.
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Can get 0% installment 36 months for solar installation. That alone win epf liao.
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What Ts said doesnt makes sense. If your bill is above rm780 or 1500kW.. there will be a surcharge of at least rm150.00 already, and that cannot be offset by your solar export, from what I know.
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QUOTE(snimple @ Oct 3 2023, 11:39 AM)
My bill rm250 max

Living area 2 airconds but very seldom on
3 airconds rooms 12 hours usage daily
Kitchen everything electrical no buy gas tangki
Water heater 3 bathrooms

2 big 2 small

RM800 normal?????? hmmmmmmmm
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I suspect it's the amount of light bulb. And also washing machine.

My house semi-D. At night i left some lights on total about 15 x 12w LED light bulb. Probably that's why.
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RM400 bill, 17k installation, 24mo zero interest, i just got seda approval for 6kW.

QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:18 AM)
First. There are many ways to avoid the 50k upfront. Many ppl don’t pay upfront lump sum anymore. 

Maintenance try to nego as long as u can

200-300 bill don’t need 50k upfront

Maybe 20k only.
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QUOTE(snimple @ Oct 3 2023, 11:39 AM)
My bill rm250 max

Living area 2 airconds but very seldom on
3 airconds rooms 12 hours usage daily
Kitchen everything electrical no buy gas tangki
Water heater 3 bathrooms

2 big 2 small

RM800 normal?????? hmmmmmmmm
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Actually, ur bill doesn’t seems normal. Unless those aircond are inverter and new.

Would be happy actually if I could get the usage like u.

Your usage is just like mine. But mine got la some else like cctv router. Those also take up significant chunks. Water pump. Dryer.
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price is getting cheaper every year.

QUOTE(kaizoku30 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:20 AM)
Yours 11 or 15 kwp rm47k Macam abit exp a. Some people can get cheaper than this
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QUOTE(jellomeat @ Oct 3 2023, 11:47 AM)
What Ts said doesnt makes sense. If your bill is above rm780 or 1500kW.. there will be a surcharge of at least rm150.00 already, and that cannot be offset by your solar export, from what I know.
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It's because during daytime the solar energy get consumed by your household before being exported away. I also noticed the amount of total electricity consumed on my bill is less than before solar installation.
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My guess is family usage? Rental units won't be so high, at least not usually. Anyways, congrats! Awesome result.

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My bro house paid 3K for ppl go fix the meter every month bill just RM300.
Can ON aircond whole day
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Tell your brother prepare 50k soon - After they change smart meter --- they will cross reference check historical usage and current - then 200% kena fine.


With smart meter possible to stikk hack but 100% kena tangkap because they will monitor the grid total usage not the meter only total usage.



Good luck . lol!

Speaking from friends experience recently.
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It's because during daytime the solar energy get consumed by your household before being exported away. I also noticed the amount of total electricity consumed on my bill is less than before solar installation.
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Here's an idea, instead of replying here, why don't you censor all the details of your tnb bill so people can see? I'm sure it will take less than 1 minute especially with tnb app
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My bro house paid 3K for ppl go fix the meter every month bill just RM300.
Can ON aircond whole day
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when it catch, gg.
should be court case already.
i work this industrial.
my collogue go court before as witness for this.


QUOTE(snimple @ Oct 3 2023, 11:39 AM)
My bill rm250 max

Living area 2 airconds but very seldom on
3 airconds rooms 12 hours usage daily
Kitchen everything electrical no buy gas tangki
Water heater 3 bathrooms

2 big 2 small

RM800 normal?????? hmmmmmmmm
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sound like yours not normal, lol


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It's because during daytime the solar energy get consumed by your household before being exported away. I also noticed the amount of total electricity consumed on my bill is less than before solar installation.
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I will be very grateful to see ur censored bill so we can all benefit from it. It's mind boggling for me to say that just because u installed solar, ur KWh consumption became lesser. That doesnt make sense, isn't it?
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:48 AM)
I suspect it's the amount of light bulb. And also washing machine.

My house semi-D. At night i left some lights on total about 15 x 12w LED light bulb. Probably that's why.
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Maybe is your fridge. I changed my 10 year old fridge, my bill drop average 30rm from 220-250.
Also i noticed if you use air purifier, it is high consumption.
I have similar to both , 3 ac (2 hp + 1hp + 1hp / 8hrs daily), LED bulbs all.
so is quite high if you get 800rm.

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:48 AM)
Actually, ur bill doesn’t seems normal. Unless those aircond are inverter and new. 

Would be happy actually if I could get the usage like u.

Your usage is just like mine.  But mine got la some else like cctv router.  Those also take up significant chunks. Water pump.  Dryer.
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Yup all inverter aircond coz 12 hours usage daily and i do have CCTV as well and also washing machine daily at least 1 wash
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QUOTE(dudester @ Oct 3 2023, 11:56 AM)
Maybe is your fridge. I changed my 10 year old fridge, my bill drop average 30rm from 220-250.
Also i noticed if you use air purifier, it is high consumption.
I have similar to both , 3 ac (2 hp + 1hp + 1hp / 8hrs daily), LED bulbs all.
so is quite high if you get 800rm.
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my fridge is also more than 10 years main culprit is the aircond

switch all those long hours aircond to inverter and u will see the diff
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:53 AM)
me wife and 4 ekor anak.

Average 3 biji aircon every night until morning. +1 study room aircon if star aligned and i get to play game. Even my friends and family shocked about my rm800+ bill. I also dunno why so high really.
800 wth.

Mine also sama, but after reading ure post, ure house 1 phase or 3 phase?
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Strange question.
I have plans to renovate house, maybe fix/replace roof tiles.
If i am installing Solar Panel, does it mean i dont need to care the part cover by panels?
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a lot of ppl dont know your meter been modified by ......... : innocent.gif
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actually if can turn extra electric to cash, i don't mind since my electric bill range RM80 - RM150 max. last year wanted to install but i heard no longer can convert to cash... for just forget it
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Still don't understand how a house can reach 500++ or 1k++ bills. Mine averages around RM200, when got people come over extended stay open aircond at guest room during morning also at most RM350 only.

WTF you all running until reaching 1.7k even? 1 fridge for every room?
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:18 AM)
First. There are many ways to avoid the 50k upfront. Many ppl don’t pay upfront lump sum anymore. 

Maintenance try to nego as long as u can

200-300 bill don’t need 50k upfront

Maybe 20k only.
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it will be still 5+ years, for 20k
and dont lump sum, loan?
the problem is always the hidden cost which most of the public wont know

QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:21 AM)
TNB limit the amount of panel u can install to match your monthly bill.

My case example is 26 panel to generate RM700+. So for your case u can only install 12 panel. Only need upfront RM20000. Maybe instead of changing car every 7 years u consider installing solar once?
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i change car every 3~5 years... sweat.gif

btw, i stay in SG...
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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:25 AM)
If rain can clean it how come our exterior wall will still be dirty after years of usage?

Even then solar panel guys been telling us, please clean the panels periodically.

No one is doubting the capability of solar generation but it shall never be glorified and advertised in such a way that it does not come with its challenges.

Read both sides of the stories.
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i read both sides of the stories
which is why i wonder do u even own a car because if you do thn you're real hypocrite yourself

cars and solar panels needs cleaning periodically too
but cars need extra detailing annually
solar panels have ROI, cars don't have ROI
solar panels have non-moving parts, cars have moving part which accelerate wear and tear

so if u think installing solar panels to save your electricity usage and have ROI is wrong, thn i wonder why did u buy a cars in the 1st place which have no ROI, many moving wear and tear parts, depreciating object and needed yearly maintenance on everything?
and both seem to cost about the same price
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 10:54 AM)
My bro house paid 3K for ppl go fix the meter every month bill just RM300.
Can ON aircond whole day
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sure gg. got insider tell me..... cool2.gif

substation supply to taman -> x kwh
every house in taman -> y kwh

x - y kwh = curi

then check which house in that taman suddenly drop in kwh consumption recently.

just pull up chart house by house, very easy see....

soon a team will come to that house and check the meter. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dudester @ Oct 3 2023, 11:59 AM)
Strange question.
I have plans to renovate house, maybe fix/replace roof tiles.
If i am installing Solar Panel, does it mean i dont need to care the part cover by panels?
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No, solar panels are above the tiles. Rain water will flow in from the uncovered parts higher than the solar panel, so you still need those tiles.

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Nice idea though, lol. They have solar tiles, but I don't think we have them here.
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QUOTE(dudester @ Oct 3 2023, 11:59 AM)
Strange question.
I have plans to renovate house, maybe fix/replace roof tiles.
If i am installing Solar Panel, does it mean i dont need to care the part cover by panels?
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water proof solar panels a little tricky. most installer pretty bad (ie will leak after installation). some are good. ask them what type of bracket and system they use. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(keybearer @ Oct 3 2023, 12:00 PM)
Still don't understand how a house can reach 500++ or 1k++ bills. Mine averages around RM200, when got people come over extended stay open aircond at guest room during morning also at most RM350 only.

WTF you all running until reaching 1.7k even? 1 fridge for every room?
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electricity is not so much how much you're using
there are different tier on pricing
the more u use, you'll be in a different tier
so if your usage is in a certain tier, it gets expensive real fast

the lesser we use, we're at the lower pricing tier
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QUOTE(vin6 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:50 AM)
Tell your brother prepare 50k soon - After they change smart meter --- they will cross reference check historical usage and current - then 200% kena fine.
With smart meter possible to stikk hack but 100% kena tangkap because they will monitor the grid total usage not the meter only total usage.
Good luck . lol!

Speaking from friends experience recently.
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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Oct 3 2023, 11:51 AM)
when it catch, gg.
should be court case already.
i work this industrial.
my collogue go court before as witness for this.
sound like yours not normal, lol
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QUOTE(billyboy @ Oct 3 2023, 12:05 PM)
sure gg. got insider tell me..... cool2.gif

substation supply to taman -> x kwh
every house in taman -> y kwh

x - y kwh = curi

then check which house in that taman suddenly drop in kwh consumption recently. 

just pull up chart house by house, very easy see....

soon a team will come to that house and check the meter.  biggrin.gif
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Already kena and paid fine, do again lel.

Fine is not much compared to actual electricity use.
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QUOTE(loserguy @ Oct 3 2023, 12:07 PM)
No, solar panels are above the tiles. Rain water will flow in from the uncovered parts higher than the solar panel, so you still need those tiles.

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Nice idea though, lol. They have solar tiles, but I don't think we have them here.
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Yes I mean like this pic. The panels will add as a layer over roof tiles. Means it provide some weathering over existing tiles, I dont have to rebuild my old tiles.
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QUOTE(keybearer @ Oct 3 2023, 12:00 PM)
Still don't understand how a house can reach 500++ or 1k++ bills. Mine averages around RM200, when got people come over extended stay open aircond at guest room during morning also at most RM350 only.

WTF you all running until reaching 1.7k even? 1 fridge for every room?
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some do it as part of the roof....

this from old SEDA BIPV program....

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water proof solar panels a little tricky. most installer pretty bad (ie will leak after installation). some are good. ask them what type of bracket and system they use. cool2.gif
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If like the pic standard installation, I believe there will be leak between the panels. but at least is not directly hitting the tiles.

Global warming getting quite bad, klang valley storm also stronger wind....
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QUOTE(dudester @ Oct 3 2023, 12:12 PM)
If like the pic standard installation, I believe there will be leak between the panels. but at least is not directly hitting the tiles.

Global warming getting quite bad, klang valley storm also stronger wind....
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true.....however at one time SEDA encouraged BIPV (building integrated photo voltic) and they paid extra tariff. now no more already....i pasted example of picture further up....

some do this for extra light or more aesthetically pleasing.
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some do it as part of the roof....

this from old SEDA BIPV program....

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This one is SO COOL!

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Yes I mean like this pic. The panels will add as a layer over roof tiles. Means it provide some weathering over existing tiles, I dont have to rebuild my old tiles.
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As long as there are no leaks, please remember that the water will still flow under the solar panels from the parts left uncovered by the panels.

Nowadays not easy getting people to climb up there for roofing works. Very expensive even if can find sweat.gif
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 12:08 PM)
Hi k/

I installed solar panel for my house 4 months ago. Total cost RM47000 for 26 pcs. Don't know the detail much cos not important to me. All i know is they write Jinko solar 550wp.

So far my average bill from RM800+ reduce to RM40-50. That's a whooping 20% return p.a

Isn't it too good to be true investment? What am i missing? why still not many ppl installing the solar since potential return so damn 7 good. Even EPF give guaranteed 5% only. FD is even lower.

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not bill only. installation outlook too.

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Oct 3 2023, 12:15 PM)
As long as there are no leaks, please remember that the water will still flow under the solar panels from the parts left uncovered by the panels.

Nowadays not easy getting people to climb up there for roofing works. Very expensive even if can find sweat.gif
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good point. if there is leak under the panel. headache to fix tiles !
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Oct 3 2023, 01:09 PM)
electricity is not so much how much you're using
there are different tier on pricing
the more u use, you'll be in a different tier
so if your usage is in a certain tier, it gets expensive real fast

the lesser we use, we're at the lower pricing tier
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Yeah the tariffs blocks, but my point still stands though. Think of it this way, some of the higher ends residential bill posted here are higher than some SME commercial lots.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:33 AM)
Coz my system can monitor per panel production, when I feel the production is no longer there, I can consider to clean.
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I know, but how often those panels need to be clean until somebody complain it's not worth it and troublesome despite 20% pa return? Need to clean once a week? Once a month?
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QUOTE(dudester @ Oct 3 2023, 12:17 PM)
good point. if there is leak under the panel. headache to fix tiles !
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They can access from below.
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 12:09 PM)
Already is smart meter
Already kena and paid fine, do again lel.

Fine is not much compared to actual electricity use.
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first time fine,
2nd time could be jail already.

good luck.

if smart meter, more gg.

every hourly usage pattern is all recorded inside the meter.
including, V, A, PF, Wh, Varh, VAh, angle and etc.
got hourly, daily and monthly profile. all recorded.
if the meter with modem, mean all data already uploaded to server database.

even burn the meter, as long as the memory chip is alive, still can extract the data out.


even u open the terminal cover, also recorded date and time.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 3 2023, 10:53 AM)
You need 5 years to break even. Imo, it should not be considered as ROI during the first 5 years. Don't forget to add the opportunity cost of the RM47000 you coughed up.

After this, baru can consider ROI.
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It is ROI.
But the ROI needs to minus off any maintainence fee /interest (if borrowing from bank) and asset depreciation.


TS doesn't include Asset depreciation so it's kind of flawed


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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 10:52 AM)
Do you know the NEM only valid for 10 years? Your "return" has an expiry date. Year 1-5 trying to recover, then Year 6-10 you earn some. Year 11 onwards, you are on your own.
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Partially true only. At year 11 you can only offset day usage but no longer night time, so your returns is roughly half.


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QUOTE(am_i_rulez @ Oct 3 2023, 10:55 AM)
5 years ROI, quite good if there is no additional charges and can run another 5 years.

How about repair and maintenance?
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Biggest unknown is inverter. That's why need warranty + reputable brand for this.

Solar panel being passive will last very long.


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QUOTE(LuQEE @ Oct 3 2023, 11:58 AM)
800 wth.

Mine also sama, but after reading ure post, ure house 1 phase or 3 phase?
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needs to be 3 phase. i have enquired to a solar company and that is one of the first questions they ask.


QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 12:09 PM)
Already is smart meter
Already kena and paid fine, do again lel.

Fine is not much compared to actual electricity use.
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you can fined upwards of 20k if you are not careful. lel.
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Last time I check with many Solar sellers. All advice if bill only ~RM2xx...better do energy savings. That's why I didn't go for it...

Your bill RM800/month confirm worth it...
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 12:09 PM)
Already is smart meter
Already kena and paid fine, do again lel.

Fine is not much compared to actual electricity use.
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tell your bro don't play. He will get caught. So far i surveyed most friend/family who adjusted meter kena. You just need to ask when no one is around, they will confess.

Malaysia is like that. Before kantoi they tell 9 street what they did how they untung. After kantoi they keep quiet only cos face more important than anything else.

I just glad they changed to digital meter never kantoi me. This adjusted meter thing is a major hindrance that is preventing me from installing solar years ago. I could have gotten NEM2.0 if not because of it.
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47k. my tnb bill less than rm150 a month.
given i use rm150 every month.
need 26 years to ROI?
no thanks
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QUOTE(cloudwan0 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:15 AM)
first, you need to take out 50k to install
second, you only started, what about maintenance? how long it can run without issue?
third, most ppl electric bill around 200~300, why take out 50k up front
the 50k can pay 13 years of RM300 electric bill.
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If your electric bill is rm300, don't use solar.
You haven't reach the highest tarrif level yet.




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QUOTE(ZforZebra @ Oct 3 2023, 12:31 PM)
47k. my tnb bill less than rm150 a month.
given i use rm150 every month.
need 26 years to ROI?
no thanks
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Of course at rm150 you haven't reach the highest tariff level yet.
But why do you assume people are asking you to install?


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QUOTE(keybearer @ Oct 3 2023, 12:19 PM)
Yeah the tariffs blocks, but my point still stands though. Think of it this way, some of the higher ends residential bill posted here are higher than some SME commercial lots.
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because business stop using electricity at night
these high end residents, their electricity shines at night laugh.gif
they use equally more or less that those business at daylight

which makes their electricity bill way higher
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Appreciate for sharing some of your bill details.

Seems like you might not be comparing it so accurately when u said rm800 went down to rm40+?

Based on your example, if you used rm839.50 per month before solar installation, and your generation is rm552.90, you still need to fork out roughly rm300 per month? Maybe even more today since there is a surcharge of Rm0.10 / KWh, if your consumption is more than rm780 per month since July 2023?

Edit: Oh, u modified your drillz edi. Aiya ts, u only consumed 1240KWh (rm600) recently..

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My bro house paid 3K for ppl go fix the meter every month bill just RM300.
Can ON aircond whole day
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one of my friend did that with smart meter, he tap the electricity cable from the main and use it for living hall aircond only. His bill is around RM200 and so far 2-3 years didn't kantoi.


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1. 1600kWh usage but didnt kena ICPT charges?

2. If roof leaking during rain have to remove solar panels to fix?
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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Oct 3 2023, 12:19 PM)
I know, but how often those panels need to be clean until somebody complain it's not worth it and troublesome despite 20% pa return? Need to clean once a week? Once a month?
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i pay bangla (2 pax) RM300 to climb up and use mop to clean the panel.

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TS got consider solar panel will degrade over time?
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QUOTE(ZforZebra @ Oct 3 2023, 12:31 PM)
47k. my tnb bill less than rm150 a month.
given i use rm150 every month.
need 26 years to ROI?
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Tier one is 30 years plus.

ok lah.....

degradation in yield is about 1% a year roughly cool2.gif
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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 3 2023, 12:22 PM)
It is ROI.
But the ROI needs to minus off any maintainence fee /interest (if borrowing from bank) and asset depreciation.
TS doesn't include Asset depreciation so it's kind of flawed
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just make it simple; cool2.gif

a) cash out to buy the project
b) cash in over 10 and 20 years

calculate payback (in years) and internal rate of return.

depreciation irrelevant.
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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 3 2023, 12:26 PM)
Biggest unknown is inverter. That's why need warranty + reputable brand for this.

Solar panel being passive will last very long.
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10 years back was SMA (german)

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QUOTE(jellomeat @ Oct 3 2023, 12:51 PM)
Appreciate for sharing some of your bill details.

Seems like you might not be comparing it so accurately when u said rm800 went down to rm40+?

Based on your example, if you used rm839.50 per month before solar installation, and your generation is rm552.90, you still need to fork out roughly rm300 per month? Maybe even more today since there is a surcharge of Rm0.10 / KWh, if your consumption is more than rm780 per month since July 2023?

Edit: Oh, u modified your drillz edi. Aiya ts, u only consumed 1240KWh (rm600) recently..
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Again i will reiterate. My latest 3 months bill before solar installation is RM800+ and RM900+.

After installing solar my consumption drop to RM500-600. I theorize that it's because during daytime all the solar energy i generated get consumed by the house first before diverting the excess to TNB. In short the price difference probably is the amount of electricity i used during daytime which is about rm200-300.


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1. 1600kWh usage but didnt kena ICPT charges?

2. If roof leaking during rain have to remove solar panels to fix?
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1. probably because during daytime the energy generated get consumed first before sending the excess to TNB.

2) Yes need to remove panel only repair. so u have to arrange them to come buka, then roofer repair, then arrange them come pasang back . that's why it's very important to make sure your roof no such issue before install. They recommend new house stay few years no issue just install.


QUOTE(jay @ Oct 3 2023, 12:55 PM)
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yes. in fact it didnt degrade. Because my uncle installed them 2010. Until now he said the energy produced same only. Already 10 years no different. Main reason why i feel confident to install.

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Just a sidenote, unless youre using a hybrid inverter, if u wanna use battery later on after NEM no longer applies you have to change your inverter.

Also bsrnya rumah u. 26pcs of 550W panels? Duduk mansion ka? Hebat.
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Again i will reiterate. My latest 3 months bill before solar installation is RM800+ and RM900+.

After installing solar my consumption drop to RM500-600. I theorize that it's because during daytime all the solar energy i generated get consumed by the house first before diverting the excess to TNB. In short the price difference probably is the amount of electricity i used during daytime which is about rm200-300.
1. probably because during daytime the energy generated get consumed first before sending the excess to TNB.

2) Yes need to remove panel only repair. so u have to arrange them to come buka, then roofer repair, then arrange them come pasang back . that's why it's very important to make sure your roof no such issue before install. They recommend new house stay few years no issue just install.
yes. in fact it didnt degrade. Because my uncle installed them 2010. Until now he said the energy produced same only. Already 10 years no different. Main reason why i feel confident to install.
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mine average RM 700-800 bill reduce to RM 17 in the first month of using solar

top fucking kek

can blast more aircon as my expectation is pay no more than RM 50 per month
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Just a sidenote, unless youre using a hybrid inverter, if u wanna use battery later on after NEM no longer applies you have to change your inverter.

Also bsrnya rumah u. 26pcs of 550W panels? Duduk mansion ka? Hebat.
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semi-D. But i request they sumbat as many as possible. It's absolutely maximum for my roof.
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1. 1600kWh usage but didnt kena ICPT charges?

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Just a sidenote, unless youre using a hybrid inverter, if u wanna use battery later on after NEM no longer applies you have to change your inverter.

Also bsrnya rumah u. 26pcs of 550W panels? Duduk mansion ka? Hebat.
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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Oct 3 2023, 12:21 PM)
first time fine,
2nd time could be jail already.

good luck.

if smart meter, more gg.

every hourly usage pattern is all recorded inside the meter.
including, V, A, PF, Wh, Varh, VAh, angle and etc.
got hourly, daily and monthly profile. all recorded.
if the meter with modem, mean all data already uploaded to server database.

even burn the meter, as long as the memory chip is alive, still can extract the data out.
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needs to be 3 phase. i have enquired to a solar company and that is one of the first questions they ask.
you can fined upwards of 20k if you are not careful. lel.
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 12:30 PM)
tell your bro don't play. He will get caught. So far i surveyed most friend/family who adjusted meter kena. You just need to ask when no one is around, they will confess.

Malaysia is like that. Before kantoi they tell 9 street what they did how they untung. After kantoi they keep quiet only cos face more important than anything else.

I just glad they changed to digital meter never kantoi me. This adjusted meter thing is a major hindrance that is preventing me from installing solar years ago. I could have gotten NEM2.0 if not because of it.
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Well he just recently changed gate + shift meter. TNB contractor didnt suspect anything so i guess its good to go

QUOTE(yhtan @ Oct 3 2023, 12:52 PM)
one of my friend did that with smart meter, he tap the electricity cable from the main and use it for living hall aircond only. His bill is around RM200 and so far 2-3 years didn't kantoi.
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Do you know the NEM only valid for 10 years? Your "return" has an expiry date. Year 1-5 trying to recover, then Year 6-10 you earn some. Year 11 onwards, you are on your own.
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After 10 years depend if TNB want to renew the contract or not otherwise users just rugi the storage part. You do still enjoyed the generated power during the day ya and is FREE yo....
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oh ya, mine is hybrid inverter. Seller said just upgrade battery. The only thing i need to worry is battery capacity. But that thing 10 years later only see how.
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To be honest. These hybrid inverter just fancy feature. After 10 years, there is a big possibility u already change it.

Battery also limited selection. Compatible batteries or proprietary sure cost more
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Well he just recently changed gate + shift meter. TNB contractor didnt suspect anything so i guess its good to go
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Tnb contractor tell me this la. Dunno how true it is la. They know which house got steal. They mark it. After certain years only action taken. If take action early, less money.
Dunno how true la

They came to my house to change the fuse blown last time.
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To be honest. These hybrid inverter just fancy feature. After 10 years, there is a big possibility u already change it.

Battery also limited selection. Compatible batteries or proprietary sure cost more
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Ya true. 10 years time the technology should leap and bound. No use worry so much now. Also it seems to be in consumer favor judging on the past history.
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Well he just recently changed gate + shift meter. TNB contractor didnt suspect anything so i guess its good to go
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Curi electric sure got sleepless nights one .... kena caught will get fine ten thousands of RM at least... better install solar, can sleep better and live longer biggrin.gif ...

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Ya true. 10 years time the technology should leap and bound.  No use worry so much now. Also it seems to be in consumer favor judging on the past history.
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In fact, my concern down the road is the safety. Overseas they check cables and connection every year. In Malaysia, I am not too confident

String inverter has a chance to catch fire due to arc fault. There are cases where it happen because string inverter deal with high dc.

That’s why I didn’t go for that. I just want peace of mind.
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everyday we turn on aircond 1 hour on timer before sleep.
average bill is rm40. sometimes open aircond during daytime if too hot.
but same only for 1 hours lidat
2 person, both working.
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 01:22 PM)
Well he just recently changed gate + shift meter. TNB contractor didnt suspect anything so i guess its good to go
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Because Malaysia boleh. The guy job is to shift meter not catching ppl steal electric. Much like PDRM won't catch u no wear seatbelt while driving. They can, and some do, but super rare.

If your bro area a lot ppl curi electric they will definitely come. My housing area kena raid 2 times i think, most of them also end up using solar after digital meter switch. It's just not worth the daily anxiety and the risk. Also super bad karma. Malaysian complain about BN songlap, but the truth is almost all Malaysian songlap from government/workplace one way or another. The next time ur bro talk about politician corrupt etc, tell him he is not any better. Just amount smaller, got less zero.
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Actually nowadays the leak is rare because the Instalwtion is non invasive. They usually slide in the bracket through the gap between tiles.

But if it leaks, they got cover with warranty anyway.
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Well he just recently changed gate + shift meter. TNB contractor didnt suspect anything so i guess its good to go
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gl to your bro.
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Problem is we can’t put 47k straight into year 1. Coz we don’t have the money upfront.  Solar don’t need 47k upfront. Just need monthly commitment. 

U don’t do solar, the 47 k goes to Tnb anyway.  And in fact , over 10 years 90k goes to Tnb.
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:45 AM)
Can get 0% installment 36 months for solar installation. That alone win epf liao.
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47k/36=RM1306 pm.

Put in epf at 5.5%, you'll earn rm4208 interest and will have RM5,1224 after 36 months.

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After this 36 months, for the next 7 years, you will earn rm23,989 in interest giving you the total rm75213.
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For year 11, you will earn RM4242 interest, translating to RM353 per month.
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If you're not able to extend NEM, your PV must offset RM350 pm to break even. Don't forget that your EPF money is still there for you to withdraw, whereas your PV and its peripheral hardware are considered sunk costs and are basically worthless if you decide to give up on it (no/low resale value). Will it add to your house market value? Not sure.
This write-off is not taken into account in the untung-rugi calculation. It essentially means at the wnd of Year 10, your TNB savings is just RM15k (at current tariffs and consumption) more than your EPF balance, but your epf continues to grow while your solar panel system continues to deteriorate in terms of performance and resale value while requiring maintenance.
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 01:08 PM)
Again i will reiterate. My latest 3 months bill before solar installation is RM800+ and RM900+.

After installing solar my consumption drop to RM500-600. I theorize that it's because during daytime all the solar energy i generated get consumed by the house first before diverting the excess to TNB. In short the price difference probably is the amount of electricity i used during daytime which is about rm200-300.
1. probably because during daytime the energy generated get consumed first before sending the excess to TNB.

2) Yes need to remove panel only repair. so u have to arrange them to come buka, then roofer repair, then arrange them come pasang back . that's why it's very important to make sure your roof no such issue before install. They recommend new house stay few years no issue just install.
yes. in fact it didnt degrade. Because my uncle installed them 2010. Until now he said the energy produced same only. Already 10 years no different. Main reason why i feel confident to install.
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From the solar app, get the monthly generation

Then from monthly generation, minus the export.

That is your morning usage.

Add your morning usage with import.

That is your total kWh usage.

From total kWh usage, go to Tnb calculator.
Key in An’s get the estimated bill of the kWh.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 3 2023, 01:39 PM)
47k/36=RM1306 pm.

Put in epf at 5.5%, you'll earn rm4208 interest and will have RM5,1224 after 36 months.

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After this 36 months, for the next 7 years, you will earn rm23,989 in interest giving you the total rm75213.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

For year 11, you will earn RM4242 interest, translating to RM353 per month.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


If you're not able to extend NEM, your PV must offset RM350 pm to break even. Don't forget that your EPF money is still there for you to withdraw, whereas your PV and its peripheral hardware are considered sunk costs and are basically worthless if you decide to give up on it (no/low resale value). Will it add to your house market value? Not sure.
This write-off is not taken into account in the untung-rugi calculation. It essentially means at the wnd of Year 10, your TNB savings is just RM15k (at current tariffs and consumption) more than your EPF balance, but your epf continues to grow while your solar panel system continues to deteriorate in terms of performance and resale value while requiring maintenance.
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First, we don’t have the money to put in kwsp one lump sum like that.

So your calculation lari by a lot dy.

Second. , we are using money we set aside monthly. to pay Tnb. So that money is not for investment for kwsp also.

So your calculation become irrrelevant dy.


The analogy is

I need to pay 300 bus lrt pass every month to go to work

I use thr 300 to py for a cheap car, kancil and the total maintenance for then car monthly and petrol is only rm300


So I my transportation method just changed. But my commitment still same. The money is never for epf coz it is a necessary spending to work.

End of the payment , I got a car, and I can save a bit, and maybe hook up an awek in the kancil. Hahahah.



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First, we don’t have the money to put in kwsp one lump sum like that.

So your calculation lari by a lot dy.

Second. , we are using money we set aside monthly. to pay Tnb. So that money is not for investment for kwsp also.

So your calculation become irrrelevant dy.
The analogy is

I need to pay 300 bus lrt pass every month to go to work

I use thr 300 to py for a cheap car, kancil and the total maintenance for then car monthly and petrol is only rm300
So I my transportation method just changed. But my commitment still same.  The money is never for epf coz it is a necessary spending to work.

End of the payment , I got a car, and I can save a bit, and maybe hook up an awek in the kancil. Hahahah.
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Ur calculations incorrect too.

Usually for solar panel installation u need to pay deposit, then balance via installment i think 24mths or 36mths only.

So u need to pay monthly installment plus the monthly electric bill.

That is excluding maintenance charges too (if any) and that mostly new subscribers are unable to provide the info.
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 01:47 PM)
Ur calculations incorrect too.

Usually for solar panel installation u need to pay deposit, then balance via installment i think 24mths or 36mths only.

So u need to pay monthly installment plus the monthly electric bill.

That is excluding maintenance charges too (if any) and that mostly new subscribers are unable to provide the info.
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No la. Nowaday it’s already zero entry. I don’t know if some company still charge deposit but the one I got into no deposit la. Even if got also can be 60 month.

For me, The total cost is divided to 48- 60 months.
I paid everything via installment. No deposit at All.

My new Tnb monthly bill only rm3. So insignificant la.


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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 01:50 PM)
No la. Nowaday it’s already zero entry.  I don’t know if some company still charge deposit but the one I got into no deposit la. Even if got also can be 60 month.

For me, The total cost is divided to 48- 60 months.
I paid everything via installment. No deposit at All.

My new Tnb monthly bill only rm3. So insignificant  la.
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Mind to share how much was ur electric bill before using solar?
And how much total paid for solar?
And how long u using solar already and any maintenance ?
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 12:30 PM)
tell your bro don't play. He will get caught. So far i surveyed most friend/family who adjusted meter kena. You just need to ask when no one is around, they will confess.

Malaysia is like that. Before kantoi they tell 9 street what they did how they untung. After kantoi they keep quiet only cos face more important than anything else.

I just glad they changed to digital meter never kantoi me. This adjusted meter thing is a major hindrance that is preventing me from installing solar years ago. I could have gotten NEM2.0 if not because of it.
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I hear from kopitiam blow water session that there's this someone who adjust the meter n year ago -> tnb sent letter wanna change smart meter (whole taman) and he normalize back the meter -> tnb lai change smart meter -> readjust the smart meter laugh.gif

Psst ... he very diam bout this, very the diam unlike those lak kaw bu chiet mouth like a loud speaker.
I hear he's been on the tnb discounted rate for > 10 year. Duno what usage is before but after discount its around Rm150+-

Kasi bakar the meter and get tnb to install new one -> install ur solar.
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My monthly bill currently is around RM200. I'm not sure if getting into solar is a worthy venture.

Is there any option if my consumption is just RM200?
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First, we don’t have the money to put in kwsp one lump sum like that.

So your calculation lari by a lot dy.

Second. , we are using money we set aside monthly. to pay Tnb. So that money is not for investment for kwsp also.

So your calculation become irrrelevant dy.
The analogy is

I need to pay 300 bus lrt pass every month to go to work

I use thr 300 to py for a cheap car, kancil and the total maintenance for then car monthly and petrol is only rm300
So I my transportation method just changed. But my commitment still same.  The money is never for epf coz it is a necessary spending to work.

End of the payment , I got a car, and I can save a bit, and maybe hook up an awek in the kancil. Hahahah.
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I have made a mistake. My earlier calculation did not include the RM750 monthly TNB savings from the PV installation. Let me get back to my drawing board laugh.gif
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 01:22 PM)
Well he just recently changed gate + shift meter. TNB contractor didnt suspect anything so i guess its good to go
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those normal TNB contractor will not able to catch.
cause they no access into the meter.

only extremely limited people and the manufacturer know how to access into the meter to get the data,
all running DLMS with Security suite 0 or 1.

actually no way to hack or break inside.
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Mind to share how much was ur electric bill before using solar?
And how much total paid for solar?
And how long u using solar already and any maintenance ?
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Okay. I got calculate every month how much I actually saved.

Many ppl just say before solar how much after solar how much.

A bit vague. But I can confirm it’s 80% true. The 20 % is the actual amount saved


So far, after 6 months of usage. My actual saving is rm3803.29 and the total kWh I used is 8249.633kwh

My system is about 38k. So. I am already hitting 10% of the system cost after 6 months.

So far maintenance I haven’t encounter.

Later when got free I try send u the calculation I make every month. I keep track all the production and import

Some ppl just want rough figure, so they use 8099.63(production) and they multiply with 0.571. Highest tariff.


That will get a figure of rm4624.

So depend on how u look at it. I stick to my calculation.

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My bill rm250 max

Living area 2 airconds but very seldom on
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Kitchen everything electrical no buy gas tangki
Water heater 3 bathrooms

2 big 2 small

RM800 normal?????? hmmmmmmmm
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Well…. I hope we can be like u.
Rm250 is a steal.
My was around 500-600. For 2 airconds. Only on at night.
The aircond is well maintain…. Dunno where the leakage
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Can we do this on commercial shoplot?
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 02:03 PM)
Okay. I got calculate every month how much I actually saved.

Many ppl just say before solar how much after solar how much. 

A bit vague. But I can confirm it’s 80% true. The 20 % is the actual amount saved
So far, after 6 months of usage. My actual saving is rm3803.29 and the total kWh I used is 8249.633kwh

My system is about 38k. So. I am already hitting 10% of the system cost after 6 months. 

So far maintenance I haven’t encounter. 

Later when got free I try send u the calculation I make every month.  I keep track all the production and import

Some ppl just want rough figure, so they use 8099.63(production)  and they multiply with 0.571. Highest tariff.
That will get a figure of rm4624.

So depend on how u look at it. I stick to my calculation.
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Wow saved 3.8K means every month average saved RM633.
So do u still paying for electricity bill now?

Does your solar has battery? If yes, which NEM are u on now?
I understand how much u "saved" is actually depending how much u "sold" the generated electricity back to TNB right?

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 3 2023, 01:39 PM)
47k/36=RM1306 pm.

Put in epf at 5.5%, you'll earn rm4208 interest and will have RM5,1224 after 36 months.

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After this 36 months, for the next 7 years, you will earn rm23,989 in interest giving you the total rm75213.
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For year 11, you will earn RM4242 interest, translating to RM353 per month.
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If you're not able to extend NEM, your PV must offset RM350 pm to break even. Don't forget that your EPF money is still there for you to withdraw, whereas your PV and its peripheral hardware are considered sunk costs and are basically worthless if you decide to give up on it (no/low resale value). Will it add to your house market value? Not sure.
This write-off is not taken into account in the untung-rugi calculation. It essentially means at the wnd of Year 10, your TNB savings is just RM15k (at current tariffs and consumption) more than your EPF balance, but your epf continues to grow while your solar panel system continues to deteriorate in terms of performance and resale value while requiring maintenance.
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You need to factor in the additional 15k savings.
The 15K additional for TNB have to be accounted for

so it is rm350 - (5.5% of RM15k/12) . You can say that the additional savings is reinvested in EPF.


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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 3 2023, 02:01 PM)
My monthly bill currently is around RM200. I'm not sure if getting into solar is a worthy venture.

Is there any option if my consumption is just RM200?
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From googling, it's not recommended or worth it to install a PV panel with upgrading option in mind.

If you install something suitable for your usage now, you'll need to upgrade if your usage increases in future, say if you buy EVs or whatever. If you upgrade, the new panels or accessories may not be compatible or the cost to add may not be worth it. Add in the statutory requirements, lagi pening.

I stand corrected though.

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QUOTE(Clueless07 @ Oct 3 2023, 02:05 PM)
Well…. I hope we can be like u.
Rm250 is a steal.
My was around 500-600. For 2 airconds. Only on at night.
The aircond is well maintain…. Dunno where the leakage
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2ac for 500 600 is crazy.
Fridge and Ac is usually the main cause. Even Oven dont consume as much unless you bake everyday.
Are you AC and Fridge old and non inverter?
Computer? TV and monitors?
Bulbs using LED?

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 3 2023, 02:14 PM)
From googling, it's not recommended or worth it  to install a PV panel with upgrading option in mind.

If you install something suitable for your usage now, you'll need to upgrade if your usage increases in future, say if you buy EVs or whatever. If you upgrade, the new panels or accessories may not be compatible or the cost to add may not be worth it. Add in the statutory requirements, lagi pening.

I stand corrected though.
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I'm almost certain my usage (in terms of power) will not increase much in the next 10 years. The most power hungry person in my house is my child, and I'm sending her off to boarding school soon laugh.gif.

But lets say my usage only increases 10-15% in the next 10 years and I plan to get one at that rate now, would it be worth it?
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QUOTE(Clueless07 @ Oct 3 2023, 02:05 PM)
Well…. I hope we can be like u.
Rm250 is a steal.
My was around 500-600. For 2 airconds. Only on at night.
The aircond is well maintain…. Dunno where the leakage
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500 for 2 AC only on at night im pretty sure your AC is very old non inverter and probs on quite low temp every night

For starters change the AC to inverter and set the temp to be 26c (make sure get the correct hp for your room size)

See the diff don be surprise straight become 300 or 400 ish bill
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 3 2023, 02:25 PM)
I'm almost certain my usage (in terms of power) will not increase much in the next 10 years. The most power hungry person in my house is my child, and I'm sending her off to boarding school soon laugh.gif.

But lets say my usage only increases 10-15% in the next 10 years and I plan to get one at that rate now, would it be worth it?
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Personal opinio from a non-user:
I don't think the cost to install is directly proportionate to the panel capacity. So it may be relatively more expensive to install a smaller capacity vs bigger capacity, which you don't need. But the feeling of using "free" energy is very nice.

Maybe you can try getting quotations?
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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 3 2023, 02:12 PM)
You need to factor in the additional 15k savings.
The 15K additional for TNB have to be accounted for

so it is rm350 - (5.5% of RM15k/12) . You can say that the additional savings is reinvested in EPF.
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Yeah, my bad for not including the monthly 750 savings post PV installation.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 3 2023, 02:14 PM)
From googling, it's not recommended or worth it  to install a PV panel with upgrading option in mind.

If you install something suitable for your usage now, you'll need to upgrade if your usage increases in future, say if you buy EVs or whatever. If you upgrade, the new panels or accessories may not be compatible or the cost to add may not be worth it. Add in the statutory requirements, lagi pening.

I stand corrected though.
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Let me help clarify this. That’s why don’t go for string. Go for modular plug and play micro. Anytime can upgrade capacity.
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I hear from kopitiam blow water session that there's this someone who adjust the meter n year ago -> tnb sent letter wanna change smart meter (whole taman) and he normalize back the meter -> tnb lai change smart meter -> readjust the smart meter  laugh.gif

Psst ... he very diam bout this, very the diam unlike those lak kaw bu chiet mouth like a loud speaker.
I hear he's been on the tnb discounted rate for > 10 year. Duno what usage is before but after discount its around Rm150+-

Kasi bakar the meter and get tnb to install new one -> install ur solar.
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The first gen of smart meter can be tamper, like a remote control switch on and the meter will not be running, not sure whether it will transmit data back to TNB server or not. My friend did it.

But the latest gen of smart meter even if u tamper the meter, the hourly usage once become 0 and TNB will find it irregular, in short very easy to kantoi.
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My monthly bill currently is around RM200. I'm not sure if getting into solar is a worthy venture.

Is there any option if my consumption is just RM200?
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Let me help clarify this. That’s why don’t go for string.  Go for modular plug and play micro. Anytime can upgrade capacity.
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The first gen of smart meter can be tamper, like a remote control switch on and the meter will not be running, not sure whether it will transmit data back to TNB server or not. My friend did it.

But the latest gen of smart meter even if u tamper the meter, the hourly usage once become 0 and TNB will find it irregular, in short very easy to kantoi.
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Actually I believe they bypass the meter. With a smaller wire.

So depending on your “saving” like how many percent , they adjust the thickness of the wire.

Coz my friend say that if they “on” the device, the meter will still run. But whole night only 2kwh or 3kwh.

Just my suspicion.
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QUOTE(ezze22 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:46 AM)
47k is way beyond what I can afford. I'll stick to my garden solar lights.
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Where to find those good quality garden solar lights? hmm.gif

Mr DIY ones only last like 1-2 hours before going out
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:53 AM)
me wife and 4 ekor anak.

Average 3 biji aircon every night until morning. +1 study room aircon if star aligned and i get to play game. Even my friends and family shocked about my rm800+ bill. I also dunno why so high really.
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TS how many fridges do you have? biggrin.gif Also any of your kids have powerful gaming computers? Those are also quite high consumption.
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Oct 3 2023, 02:55 PM)
The first gen of smart meter can be tamper, like a remote control switch on and the meter will not be running, not sure whether it will transmit data back to TNB server or not. My friend did it.

But the latest gen of smart meter even if u tamper the meter, the hourly usage once become 0 and TNB will find it irregular, in short very easy to kantoi.
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Ahh ... am not sure which gen of smart meter he is using.
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There is nothing stopping you from  use string and micro together.
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If u add a micro on top of the string, u are basically paying for a new system. But if ur intention is just to add another inverter and 4 panel, getting a micro from the beginning will help save the process and wiring.
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Where to find those good quality garden solar lights? hmm.gif

Mr DIY ones only last like 1-2 hours before going out
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solar panel in Malaysia cannot ROI.
by the time you ROI your money , your battery and panel will require replacement.


Your total investment is RM47,000
if each monthy you save Rm1,000, that is 47 months .. close to 4 years but your battery will degrade over time and solar panel efficiency is also reduced, you won't be saivng Rm1000 each month.


According to friends in Japan who frequently have earthquakes , they do suffer frequent power shutdown. Their solar panel is for emergency . not to save money.
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TS, mind sharing the city you installed solar panels?

Average sunny hours per day is 3.5 hours in klang valley area, if it can be 5 hours, it will be cheaper to install solar panels as less solar panels required
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QUOTE(Choongster @ Oct 3 2023, 03:33 PM)
solar panel in Malaysia cannot ROI.
by the time you ROI your money , your battery and panel will require replacement.
Your total investment is RM47,000
if each monthy you save Rm1,000, that is 47 months .. close to 4 years but your battery will degrade over time and solar panel efficiency is also reduced, you won't be saivng Rm1000 each month.
According to friends in Japan who frequently have earthquakes , they do suffer frequent power shutdown. Their solar panel is for emergency . not to save money.
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QUOTE(Choongster @ Oct 3 2023, 03:33 PM)
solar panel in Malaysia cannot ROI.
by the time you ROI your money , your battery and panel will require replacement.
Your total investment is RM47,000
if each monthy you save Rm1,000, that is 47 months .. close to 4 years but your battery will degrade over time and solar panel efficiency is also reduced, you won't be saivng Rm1000 each month.
According to friends in Japan who frequently have earthquakes , they do suffer frequent power shutdown. Their solar panel is for emergency . not to save money.
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NEM3.0, mean u don't need battery.

solar panel now day degrade very slow.
1% for first year, then 0.5% yearly after that.
so after 10 years, still have 94% efficiency.

the RM47k,. maybe >10k go into installation company profit already.
the panel not that expensive actually.

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 03:24 PM)
If u add a micro on top of the string, u are basically paying for a new system.  But if ur intention is just to add another inverter and 4 panel, getting a micro from the beginning will help save the process and wiring.
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It is just wiring. The old system can use string while the new panels uses micro. Why do you say it is a new system?




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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:38 AM)
Hi k/

I installed solar panel for my house 4 months ago. Total cost RM47000 for 26 pcs. Don't know the detail much cos not important to me. All i know is they write Jinko solar 550wp.

So far my average bill from RM800+ reduce to RM40-50. That's a whooping 20% return p.a

Isn't it too good to be true investment? What am i missing? why still not many ppl installing the solar since potential return so damn 7 good. Even EPF give guaranteed 5% only. FD is even lower.

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6ppl 800 ringgit is alot. But my family got 7 also reach 500. Three airconds too. But to get 50 ringgit bill after installing that many solar, i think its not worth it.
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where got battery?
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It is just wiring. The old system can use string while the new panels uses micro. Why do you say it is a new system?
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Coz u need totally new set of wiring? So if u install a micro on top of string, there is nothing that you can use back. It’s like new installation.

And u need a new db and such. That’s what I mean a total new system. It is not like u can connect both together.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 03:01 PM)
Actually I believe they bypass the meter.  With a smaller wire.

So depending on your “saving” like how many percent , they adjust the thickness of the wire.

Coz my friend say that if they “on” the device, the meter will still run.  But whole night only 2kwh or 3kwh.

Just my suspicion.
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This kind very easy kantoi wor if kena TNB spot check, which is why it is very risky.
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install solar but no battery ? then install solar for sunny day use ?
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Coz Tnb grid become our “battery”
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This kind very easy kantoi wor if kena TNB spot check, which is why it is very risky.
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They say if u not on when spot check, most likely can escape.
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6ppl 800 ringgit is alot. But my family got 7 also reach 500. Three airconds too. But to get 50 ringgit bill after installing that many solar, i think its not worth it.
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If you have 500 ringgit bill consistent, it’s very worth to venture to solar. The general consensus is above 400 it’s super worth to install.

With the right system, roi is below 60 months with no upfront deposit whatsoever. And bill will drop to tm3.

Basically you are just channeling money paid to Tnb to buy a system that belongs to you. U still get to enjoy the electricity as as much as usual and only pay rm3 to Tnb. Ur rm500 will go to ur system for about 60 months. After that alll free electricity. If u don’t do solar, u will channel 120 months of rm500 to Tnb just to use and get nothing back.


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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 3 2023, 01:39 PM)
47k/36=RM1306 pm.

Put in epf at 5.5%, you'll earn rm4208 interest and will have RM5,1224 after 36 months.

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After this 36 months, for the next 7 years, you will earn rm23,989 in interest giving you the total rm75213.
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For year 11, you will earn RM4242 interest, translating to RM353 per month.
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If you're not able to extend NEM, your PV must offset RM350 pm to break even. Don't forget that your EPF money is still there for you to withdraw, whereas your PV and its peripheral hardware are considered sunk costs and are basically worthless if you decide to give up on it (no/low resale value). Will it add to your house market value? Not sure.
This write-off is not taken into account in the untung-rugi calculation. It essentially means at the wnd of Year 10, your TNB savings is just RM15k (at current tariffs and consumption) more than your EPF balance, but your epf continues to grow while your solar panel system continues to deteriorate in terms of performance and resale value while requiring maintenance.
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Lol don't know why u make it so complicated.
Based on my bill I calculated 20% p.a return for 47k invested.

Epf is 5.5% average.

The only difference is solar panel is physical asset 47k cannot take out but much better return hence the ROI 5 years. Anyway the risk of losing it all is offset by the warranty given.

Epf u can take out but 5.5% p.a. also I already maxing out my epf contribution. I just put 1 year of my epf investment into solar.

QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ Oct 3 2023, 01:59 PM)
I hear from kopitiam blow water session that there's this someone who adjust the meter n year ago -> tnb sent letter wanna change smart meter (whole taman) and he normalize back the meter -> tnb lai change smart meter -> readjust the smart meter  laugh.gif

Psst ... he very diam bout this, very the diam unlike those lak kaw bu chiet mouth like a loud speaker.
I hear he's been on the tnb discounted rate for > 10 year. Duno what usage is before but after discount its around Rm150+-

Kasi bakar the meter and get tnb to install new one -> install ur solar.
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Yep. I did just that. The electrician who ahem for me came bc and adjust back. Fucker didn't even bother to replace the sticker. So far haven't kena lawyer letter. Can only pray to God everyday now.

Funny enough before they start change meter I contemplated to burn it and ask for replacement. The guilt and anxiety very overwhelming to me. Very not worth to curi electric
QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 3 2023, 02:01 PM)
My monthly bill currently is around RM200. I'm not sure if getting into solar is a worthy venture.

Is there any option if my consumption is just RM200?
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Generally bill below rm400 not worth. The inverter and stuff like that cost significant chunk of the 47k I paid. Also need 3 phase power.

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 04:08 PM)
Lol don't know why u make it so complicated.
Based on my bill I calculated 20% p.a return for 47k invested.

Epf is 5.5% average.

The only difference is solar panel is physical asset 47k cannot take out but much better return hence the ROI 5 years. Anyway the risk of losing it all is offset by the warranty given.

Epf u can take out but 5.5% p.a. also I already maxing out my epf contribution. I just put 1 year of my epf investment into solar.
Yep. I did just that. The electrician who ahem for me came bc and adjust back. Fucker didn't even bother to replace the sticker. So far haven't kena lawyer letter. Can only pray to God everyday now.

Funny enough before they start change meter I contemplated to burn it and ask for replacement. The guilt and anxiety very overwhelming to me. Very not worth to curi electric

Generally bill below rm400 not worth. The inverter and stuff like that cost significant chunk of the 47k I paid. Also need 3 phase power.
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I have a few friends installing system for 250-300. Their roi is about 70 months. Slightly worse. But for me, I see this is a chance to convert the Tnb bill payment into a system that cna be used for long term. So depend on what you are looking at.

With solar system can be use for 20-30 years, long term still worth la. But roi is affected a bit.
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 04:08 PM)

Generally bill below rm400 not worth. The inverter and stuff like that cost significant chunk of the 47k I paid. Also need 3 phase power.
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Noted, thanks. My house is already using 3 phase, and have two mono-pitched roof that is optimally angled towards the sun (annual cycle) between 1030-1700.

I just waiting for solar panels to be cheap enough for me to use...
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just to share mine, 800kwh average monthly usage which is RM341 per tnb calculator. Installed a 7.6kwp system for around 28k, using huawei invertor which after NEM could install with its battery system of up to 15kw. Current bill average around rm40, but my petrol bill also went down a bit as I had a phev after solar installation.

No upfront cost but i took EPP for 24month. If the tariff increased in coming budget, then the ROI could be shorter or would be less affected. Main target is to get the bill to using only subsidize rate as i don't see a point to not utilize it, but on top of that I can utilize AC as needed esp. on hot days. Currently I have a 2.5hp running from 8pm - 6am daily.

Quoting from earlier comments, these are money need to be spent anyway to TNB, must as well do something to it and in future get a minor battery for backup in the event of power failure. So, if purely numbers it doesnt make sense, but i'm not good with finance tongue.gif

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it feeds directly into tnb grid, this is not off-grid solar
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just to share mine, 800kwh average monthly usage which is RM341 per tnb calculator. Installed a 7.6kwp system for around 28k, using huawei invertor which after NEM could install with its battery system of up to 15kw. Current bill average around rm40, but my petrol bill also went down a bit as I had a phev after solar installation.

No upfront cost but i took EPP for 24month. If the tariff increased in coming budget, then the ROI could be shorter or would be less affected. Main target is to get the bill to using only subsidize rate as i don't see a point to not utilize it, but on top of that I can utilize AC as needed esp. on hot days. Currently I have a 2.5hp running from 8pm - 6am daily.

Quoting from earlier comments, these are money need to be spent anyway to TNB, must as well do something to it and in future get a minor battery for backup in the event of power failure. So, if purely numbers it doesnt make sense, but i'm not good with finance tongue.gif

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Is May your highest yield with 766kwh? That is about 24.70kwh and 3.25 sun hour.

I feel like ur system should have performed better. Something wrong? At least 800 based on 30 days and average 3.5 sun hour.

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Noted, thanks. My house is already using 3 phase, and have two mono-pitched roof that is optimally angled towards the sun (annual cycle) between 1030-1700.

I just waiting for solar panels to be cheap enough for me to use...
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Actually toward the end the supplier hinted to me they can install extra panel than allowed by TNB, under table stuff. I never ask further since not possible for my case.

I think the main point to be considered. Are u going to shift new house in the next 10-20 years? Is the upfront cost going to affect ur lifestyle. I definitely don't which the biggest reason i go all in for solar.

QUOTE(razr_sped @ Oct 3 2023, 04:37 PM)
just to share mine, 800kwh average monthly usage which is RM341 per tnb calculator. Installed a 7.6kwp system for around 28k, using huawei invertor which after NEM could install with its battery system of up to 15kw. Current bill average around rm40, but my petrol bill also went down a bit as I had a phev after solar installation.

No upfront cost but i took EPP for 24month. If the tariff increased in coming budget, then the ROI could be shorter or would be less affected. Main target is to get the bill to using only subsidize rate as i don't see a point to not utilize it, but on top of that I can utilize AC as needed esp. on hot days. Currently I have a 2.5hp running from 8pm - 6am daily.

Quoting from earlier comments, these are money need to be spent anyway to TNB, must as well do something to it and in future get a minor battery for backup in the event of power failure. So, if purely numbers it doesnt make sense, but i'm not good with finance tongue.gif

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Hmm... why the need for battery when u already have NEM? How much the battery cost and how many panel? Can last for whole night?
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Actually toward the end the supplier hinted to me they can install extra panel than allowed by TNB, under table stuff. I never ask further since not possible for my case.

I think the main point to be considered. Are u going to shift new house in the next 10-20 years? Is the upfront cost going to affect ur lifestyle. I definitely don't which the biggest reason i go all in for solar.
Hmm... why the need for battery when u already have NEM? How much the battery cost and how many panel? Can last for whole night?
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For your case, if your panel already oversized now, which it often does, dont bother to add pnel without upgrading ur central inverter.

Your central inverter already function at the max capacity at certain time.
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Coz u need totally  new set of wiring? So if u install a micro on top of string, there is nothing that you can use back. It’s like new installation. 

And u need a new db and such.  That’s what I mean a total new system. It is not like u can connect both together.
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When you install a new solar panel it is usually in a new area of the roof which requires its own wiring regardless if it is string or microinverter.

1 string all the solar panels should be on the same orientation for max yield.
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QUOTE(razr_sped @ Oct 3 2023, 04:37 PM)
just to share mine, 800kwh average monthly usage which is RM341 per tnb calculator. Installed a 7.6kwp system for around 28k, using huawei invertor which after NEM could install with its battery system of up to 15kw. Current bill average around rm40, but my petrol bill also went down a bit as I had a phev after solar installation.

No upfront cost but i took EPP for 24month. If the tariff increased in coming budget, then the ROI could be shorter or would be less affected. Main target is to get the bill to using only subsidize rate as i don't see a point to not utilize it, but on top of that I can utilize AC as needed esp. on hot days. Currently I have a 2.5hp running from 8pm - 6am daily.

Quoting from earlier comments, these are money need to be spent anyway to TNB, must as well do something to it and in future get a minor battery for backup in the event of power failure. So, if purely numbers it doesnt make sense, but i'm not good with finance tongue.gif

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What is the huawei inverter specs?

Are they undersizing it.

You might have shading issues. My 6.8Kw system produces more kwhr per month.


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What is the huawei inverter specs?

Are they undersizing it.
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From my observation, could be one of the reason.
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Is May your highest yield with 766kwh? That is about 24.70kwh and 3.25 sun hour. 

I feel like ur system should have performed better.  Something wrong? At least 800 based on 30 days and average 3.5 sun hour.
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roof angle i supposed as I'm facing east-west orientation, so in the morning rear is angle directly which make peak power but the front is facing to north rather than west which lowered the performance it seems.

QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 05:19 PM)
Actually toward the end the supplier hinted to me they can install extra panel than allowed by TNB, under table stuff. I never ask further since not possible for my case.

I think the main point to be considered. Are u going to shift new house in the next 10-20 years? Is the upfront cost going to affect ur lifestyle. I definitely don't which the biggest reason i go all in for solar.
Hmm... why the need for battery when u already have NEM? How much the battery cost and how many panel? Can last for whole night?
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my supplier said the same too on additional panel later, but my idea is to see when/what is available then. I see this a 15yr cycle so maybe that time got better gears to upgrade and incentive given.

NEM doesn't allow battery, but its mainly the idea for selco after NEM ends, not now to power the house. but currently i do have those smaller battery for camping use.

QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 3 2023, 05:26 PM)
What is the huawei inverter specs?

Are they undersizing it.
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i manage to get the 9kwp one

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If you have 500 ringgit bill consistent, it’s very worth to venture to solar.  The general consensus is above 400 it’s super worth to install.

With the right system, roi is below 60 months with no upfront deposit whatsoever. And bill will drop to tm3.

Basically you are just channeling money paid to Tnb to buy a system that belongs to you. U still get to enjoy the electricity as as much as usual and only pay rm3 to Tnb.  Ur rm500 will go to ur system for about 60 months. After that alll free electricity.  If u don’t do solar, u will channel 120 months of rm500 to Tnb just to use and get nothing back.
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solar panel in Malaysia cannot ROI.
by the time you ROI your money , your battery and panel will require replacement.
Your total investment is RM47,000
if each monthy you save Rm1,000, that is 47 months .. close to 4 years but your battery will degrade over time and solar panel efficiency is also reduced, you won't be saivng Rm1000 each month.
According to friends in Japan who frequently have earthquakes , they do suffer frequent power shutdown. Their solar panel is for emergency . not to save money.
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install solar but no battery ? then install solar for sunny day use ?
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Dunno why u so sceptical. Tell me which investment can nett u 20% return p.a.
ROI in 4 years is insanely attractive for a investment. Even property also cannot beat.

No battery required because government incentive by giving NEM (a.k.a buy back excess energy u generated and offset your monthly bill in return). I think u seriously need to read up and ask around those who already installed. I asked, both my uncles installed back in 2010 until now no need pay any $$$ for replacement parts or repair. They never bother to hire ppl to clean also for 10 years and energy generated still up to 90% so far. Both of them ROI in 6 years.



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roof angle i supposed as I'm facing east-west orientation, so in the morning rear is angle directly which make peak power but the front is facing to north rather than west which lowered the performance it seems.
my supplier said the same too on additional panel later, but my idea is to see when/what is available then. I see this a 15yr cycle so maybe that time got better gears to upgrade and incentive given.

NEM doesn't allow battery, but its mainly the idea for selco after NEM ends, not now to power the house. but currently i do have those smaller battery for camping use.
i manage to get the 9kwp one
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You mean your inverter is 9kwac? This spec pair with 7.6kwp seems unbelievable.

Just heads up. You need to share the mode of the inverter.

Coz when you mention 9kwp inverter, I suspect you are getting the inverter that support up to 9kwp. But usually the kwac is around 6-7.

It’s best u can share the model.

To be honest, if you roof has angles, should have gone for micro inverter.

Yours come with optimizer?
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Unker monthly bill rm80.

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If the house has a small fridge and nothing else, it’s quite possible.
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QUOTE(Choongster @ Oct 3 2023, 03:33 PM)
solar panel in Malaysia cannot ROI.
by the time you ROI your money , your battery and panel will require replacement.
Your total investment is RM47,000
if each monthy you save Rm1,000, that is 47 months .. close to 4 years but your battery will degrade over time and solar panel efficiency is also reduced, you won't be saivng Rm1000 each month.
According to friends in Japan who frequently have earthquakes , they do suffer frequent power shutdown. Their solar panel is for emergency . not to save money.
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TS, mind sharing the city you installed solar panels?

Average sunny hours per day is 3.5 hours in klang valley area, if it can be 5 hours, it will be cheaper to install solar panels as less solar panels required
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You mean your inverter is 9kwac? This spec pair with 7.6kwp seems unbelievable. 

Just heads up. You need to share the mode of the inverter.

Coz when you mention 9kwp inverter, I suspect you are getting the inverter that support up to 9kwp. But usually the kwac is around 6-7.

It’s best u can share the model. 

To be honest, if you roof has angles, should have gone for micro inverter. 

Yours come with optimizer?
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i just reread the spec for sun2000-6ktl-m1, 9k kwp in, 6k out so i guess you r right on undersize inverter.
well, there is a lot of should have
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i dont know man

it looks more like saving rather than investing

just that your 47000 is giving back to you RM700/mo for 5.6yrs.
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i just reread the spec for sun2000-6ktl-m1, 9k kwp in, 6k out so i guess you r right on undersize inverter.
well, there is a lot of should have
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So the idea of adding panel is actually pointless

And your yield is limited by the inverter. Not so much panel placement.

Panel placement usually can’t do much because that’s something the roof you can’t simply change when u are using alll of it.

I hope your system comes with optimizer?
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Your system looks okay abit. 3.4.

But to be honest, you won’t know unless you have friend in the same area to compare.

U might think 3.4 is good, until u find out actually could be 3.6 or 3.7

So be a clever consumer. Share data to ensure u are not cheated by the installer.

Sometimes installer just say sun problem. When there are many other factor that they didn’t tel you.
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My friend in klang near Aeon klang is 3.468 sun hour.

735.6kwh
System is 7.07

Another klang friend is 3.548 sun hour.

537.58kwh
System is 5.05.

Both are sept value.

So you can roughly know. I am not sure if the area aeon klang near u, but my friends live there.

Your system looks within the range despite lowest sun hour. If u get 3 sun hour but others 3.5. Then something wrong already.
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So the idea of adding panel is actually pointless

And your yield is limited by the inverter. Not so much panel placement. 

Panel placement usually can’t do much because that’s something the roof you can’t simply change when u are using alll of it.

I hope your system comes with optimizer?
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could be, but my roof angle and orientation means one string is not getting full sun shine for first half of the time, then second half of the day for the other string. from netflix pic can see a nice bell curve but mine will usually have a sharp drop after 4pm.
and my roof can have one more extra string but shading/cost/usage requirement.
so might look abit lower performance if benchmark to 800kw, but there is a roof design issue that is unavoidable
increasing panel means more area to have the inverter at 100%, but honestly i fell the added cost not viable.
i dont have my roof picture with me, but cant change the roof as you say

and yes, optimizer included

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could be, but my roof angle and orientation means one string is not getting full sun shine for first half of the time, then second half of the day for the other string.
increasing panel means more area to have the inverter at 100%, but honestly i fell the added cost not viable.
i dont have my roof picture with me, but cant change the roof as you say

and yes, optimizer included
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So you can monitor per panel performance? Meaning to say each panel how much output?

Coz if your system comes with optimizer, then shading/ roof angle doesn’t sound like an issue already for me.


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My sistem look like this. Can monitor panel performance at every interval of 15 mins.

Optimizer should also be able to do that.
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My friend in klang near Aeon klang is 3.468 sun hour.

735.6kwh
System is 7.07

Another klang friend is 3.548 sun hour.

537.58kwh
System is 5.05.

Both are sept value.

So you can roughly know.  I am not sure if the area aeon klang near u, but my friends live there.

Your system looks within the range despite lowest sun hour. If u get 3 sun hour but others 3.5. Then something wrong already.
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How do u check how many hours?

My neighbour same setting but generate 10% extra. I always assume because of roof angle. His conventional two slope. My roof a lot pattern with bug sun window in middle. So my solar arrange many different patch.
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My sistem look like this. Can monitor panel performance at every interval of 15 mins. 

Optimizer should also be able to do that.
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Holy shit yours so dope. It's nice to see all different panel. I always paranoid wonder8ng if all panel connected or not
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How do u check how many hours?

My neighbour same setting but generate 10% extra. I always assume because of roof angle. His conventional two slope. My roof a lot pattern with bug sun window in middle. So my solar arrange many different patch.
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Total sept generation /30 days

Then the figure / system capacity

That’s the sun hour.

Yes. Can be roof position. His house facing direction same same?
If next door neifhtbour, same placement, then it goes to the panel performance and inverter performance r
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Holy shit yours so dope. It's nice to see all different panel. I always paranoid wonder8ng if all panel connected or not
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To be honest, I don’t encourage ppl to go for string. Coz string got high dc voltage. Can cause arc fault if wiring become bad after uv exposure.

Overseas they have maintenance , they pay for it to check the cabling, but here , hehehehe. I am not sure about that.

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To be honest, I don’t encourage ppl to go for string.  Coz string got high dc voltage.  Can cause arc fault if wiring become bad after Yg exposure.

Overseas they have maintenance , they pay for it to check the cabling, but here , hehehehe.  I am not sure about that.
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What is string? What's the different? I don't even know got different different set up.
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Your system looks okay abit. 3.4.

But to be honest, you won’t know unless you have friend in the same area to compare. 

U might think 3.4 is good, until u find out actually could be 3.6 or 3.7 

So be a clever consumer. Share data to ensure u are not cheated by the installer.

Sometimes installer just say sun problem.  When there are many other factor that they didn’t tel you.
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I am lost. How to get the 3.4 from the picture?
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What is string? What's the different? I don't even know got different different set up.
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If ur system is one inverter in the house, that is string.

Mine is divided into few micro inverters. All hide neatly under roof.

Down side, if ever need change, need to remove upper panel to change.

But I am counting on the reliability of it that claim it can last 25 years la.

Warranty also 25 years. Need to top up a bit though.
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I am lost. How to get the 3.4 from the picture?
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1460kwh (1.46mw) /30

48.66kwh average/ 14.3 capacity

So it’s 3.4
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1460kwh (1.46mw) /30

48.66kwh average/ 14.3 capacity

So it’s 3.4
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i see. thanks ya

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How do u check how many hours?

My neighbour same setting but generate 10% extra. I always assume because of roof angle. His conventional two slope. My roof a lot pattern with bug sun window in middle. So my solar arrange many different patch.
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your roof design determine how your panel can be place
assuming you are the corner unit you already have 2 panel that doesnt face the sun orientation nicely at some point of the time which could impact performance

sun hour is merely calculation of total generated per month/number of days in that month/system size

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Need routine maintenance to wash those panels
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i see. thanks ya

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your roof design determine how your panel can be place
assuming you are the corner unit you already have 2 panel that doesnt face the sun orientation nicely at some point of the time which could impact performance

sun hour is merely calculation of total generated per month/number of days in that month/system size
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Corner lot should generate better yield. From what I see. Unless sun come from left to right in the picture.
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Corner lot should generate better yield. From what I see.  Unless sun come from left to right in the picture.
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well..i forgot to mention my sun travel assumption which is top-bottom but left-right if for sure.
but the 2 corner pieces are actually less generation for some period during early and late days to my understanding as the shine angle are not on all cell.


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well..i forgot to mention my sun travel assumption which is top-bottom but left-right if for sure.
but the 2 corner pieces are actually less generation for some period during early and late days to my understanding as the shine angle are not on all cell.
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Welll with optimizer you should be able to see the graph of generation for that corner panel. And compare total energy per day.

The total energy per day should not differ much if they are side to side.
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This is the panel daily production. Each pnel I know the output of the day. How much they contribute.

So they cannot be lazy.
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Hi k/

I installed solar panel for my house 4 months ago. Total cost RM47000 for 26 pcs. Don't know the detail much cos not important to me. All i know is they write Jinko solar 550wp.

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Bumbung if got leaking during rain can install ke panel?
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Rm800 electricity is quite high dude.
mine landed with 2 inventor air con through night. only less than rm200

so ROI is on 5% which not really attractive
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not many hav 40k to spend on the stuffs. u def a t20.
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Actually lots of m40 also can afford to install already since now it’s without the deposit or one lump sum payment. Most importantly u need to have a Cc with limit about 25k. That is enough for a middle size house usage.

The cc part is the tricky part.
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Rm800 electricity is quite high dude.
mine landed with 2 inventor air con through night. only less than rm200

so ROI is on 5% which not really attractive
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Smaller consumption means smaller house means lesser panel means lower cost. Let's say half solar panel compared to mine I think the cost come up to 25k roughly.

Especially with zero interest 36 months it's better investment than ASB. The only downside is u can only offset the amount of electricity u use. So less efficient if rm200, ideally should be rm500 - rm1000 monthly bill to reap the full benefit. My supplier told me huge ass mansion full roof can only go up to rm1500 per month. The monthly bill is rm3k+ before solar.
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Those with 2-3 AC 12 hours, and still get 200-300 kindly check with your atuk/papa whether meter ok anot innocent.gif
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Problem is the company that gives such warranty will continue to exist in the next 15 years or not? Else your warranty certificate just paperweight.
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800? How you use one?
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Problem is the company that gives such warranty will continue to exist in the next 15 years or not? Else your warranty certificate just paperweight.
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Should be. Don’t be pessimistic. If everything also worry this worry that, nothing gets done.

When I choose the companies, I choose the one that is longer in the solar business. Actually many solar companies before doing solar were incorporated for other purpose.

There are new companies that I would have more doubt are those newly establish companies below 10 years. For example alpha solar from ctos check only started in 2022.

Also try to get those companies that also deal with c&i. These are more established companies in my opinion. Not to say they won’t go out of business but at least we try our best to choose the best company we believe will exist for a long time.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 4 2023, 08:31 AM)
Should be. Don’t be pessimistic.  If everything also worry this worry that, nothing gets done. 

When I choose the companies, I choose the one that is longer in the solar business.  Actually many solar companies before doing solar were incorporated for other purpose. 

There are new companies that I would have more doubt are those newly establish companies below 10 years. For example  alpha solar from ctos check only started in 2022.

Also try to get those companies that also deal with c&i. These are more established companies in my opinion. Not to say they won’t go out of business but at least we try our best to choose the best company we believe will exist for a long time.
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can you PM me the company that has long history?
what inverter brand?
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can you PM me the company that has long history?
what inverter brand?
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When you get the quote from any companies, u can always run a ctos check to see when it incorporated

I am not sure if this is a valid way but at least do something to make sure the company is okay.

Just type the name of the company, and ctos keyword in google.

If u want to know if the company is sustainable , can even buy the report to see profit and loss.


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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 05:36 PM)
Dunno why u so sceptical. Tell me which investment can nett u 20% return p.a.
ROI in 4 years is insanely attractive for a investment. Even property also cannot beat.

No battery required because government incentive by giving NEM (a.k.a buy back excess energy u generated and offset your monthly bill in return). I think u seriously need to read up and ask around those who already installed. I asked, both my uncles installed back in 2010 until now no need pay any $$$ for replacement parts or repair. They never bother to hire ppl to clean also for 10 years and energy generated still up to 90% so far. Both of them ROI in 6 years.
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When you put returns like that it will be compared with other investment class. eg:- 5.5% epf , 3% FD, 6% ASNB but you cannot really compare them that way,


If you put 47k in FD, 3% for 5 years you get 47k + (3%^5*47k).
The 47K that you put in is unchanged after 5 years

If you put in 47K in Solar and you claim 20% return.
By right at the end of 5 years you get 47K +(20%^5*47k) but you don't get it.
You can't sell the solar panels and your solar panels are not worth 47k anymore. . That is asset depreciation.

So technically, if you include asset depreciation. The first 5-6 years is 0% and then only after that is 20%.
You don't understand that you cannot get back the capital that you put in.






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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 4 2023, 09:43 AM)
When you put returns like that it will be compared with other investment class. eg:- 5.5% epf , 3% FD, 6% ASNB but you cannot really compare them that way,
If you put 47k in FD, 3%  for 5 years you get 47k + (3%^5*47k).
The 47K that you put in is unchanged after 5 years

If you put in 47K in Solar and you claim 20% return.
By right at the end of 5 years you get 47K +(20%^5*47k) but you don't get it.
You can't sell the solar panels and your solar panels are not worth 47k anymore. . That is asset depreciation.

So technically, if you include asset depreciation. The first 5-6 years is 0% and then only after that is 20%.
You don't understand that you cannot get back the capital that you put in.
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If I can get 800 monthly or 9,600 yearly against my investment of 38,000 already yields 25%, apa lagi awak mau? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

After 4 years already ROI 38k . . .. another 4 years another ROI 38k, tell me what FD/EPF can give me the same?
Bear in mind this could last 25 years although the returns will dropped 10-20% ...
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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 4 2023, 09:43 AM)
When you put returns like that it will be compared with other investment class. eg:- 5.5% epf , 3% FD, 6% ASNB but you cannot really compare them that way,
If you put 47k in FD, 3%  for 5 years you get 47k + (3%^5*47k).
The 47K that you put in is unchanged after 5 years

If you put in 47K in Solar and you claim 20% return.
By right at the end of 5 years you get 47K +(20%^5*47k) but you don't get it.
You can't sell the solar panels and your solar panels are not worth 47k anymore. . That is asset depreciation.

So technically, if you include asset depreciation. The first 5-6 years is 0% and then only after that is 20%.
You don't understand that you cannot get back the capital that you put in.
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Problem is he is comparing with a variable that most of us do not have to get 20% pa return, which is the freaking RM800 electricity bill, is it that hard to think, damn, interrogating with full skepticism is usually not a bad thing, but combined with close minded is a terrible thing.
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QUOTE(etan26 @ Oct 4 2023, 09:53 AM)
If I can get 800 monthly or 9,600 yearly against my investment of 38,000 already yields 25%, apa lagi awak mau?  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif

After 4 years already ROI 38k . . .. another 4 years another ROI 38k, tell me what FD/EPF can give me the same?
Bear in mind this could last 25 years although the returns will dropped 10-20% ...
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After 4 years already ROI 38k . . .. another 4 years another ROI 38k, tell me what FD/EPF can give me the same?
All can even more.

EPF,5.5% after 4 years
Capital : 47K
Return : 8.75K
Total :- 55.74K



Solar after 4 years
Capital :0 k
Return :- 38400
Total:- 38400

Again you don't understand that for FD, capital doesn't change.
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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 4 2023, 10:00 AM)
All can even more.

EPF,5.5%  after 4 years 
Capital : 47K
Return : 8.75K
Total :- 55.74K

Solar after 4 years
Capital :0 k
Return :- 38400
Total:- 38400

Again you don't understand that for FD, capital doesn't change.
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After 8 and 12 years, pls calculate berapa?
Capital doesn't changed but the ROI is triple of the capital, correct?
You don't understand ROI?
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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 4 2023, 10:00 AM)
All can even more.

EPF,5.5%  after 4 years 
Capital : 47K
Return : 8.75K
Total :- 55.74K

Solar after 4 years
Capital :0 k
Return :- 38400
Total:- 38400

Again you don't understand that for FD, capital doesn't change.
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For solar, there is no capital needed. That’s the difference.



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I can even burn my investment of 38k but my ROI of 12 years is 114k .....
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Getting Solar is by using money that u suppose to spend monthly. This money is not the money that you can save.

If u don’t get solar, that money is going to Tnb 100%


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It’s like how ppl cuci money with shopee coin cash back last time. Last time shopee offer 100% coin cash back.

Itu solar Mcm itu voucher coin cash back la.
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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Oct 4 2023, 09:54 AM)
Problem is he is comparing with a variable that most of us do not have to get 20% pa return, which is the freaking RM800 electricity bill, is it that hard to think, damn, interrogating with full skepticism is usually not a bad thing, but combined with close minded is a terrible thing.
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You can install less solar panel so the cost will be lesser. iianm it is 16k for around rm200 yield. lol why everyone keep stuck in the perpetual loop of " NOT EVERYONE HAVE RM800 BILL!!!". You can just lower your system to match your monthly bill. TNB will require u to do it anyway, they wont let u generate more than your current electric bill. No one is close minded here. chill.

QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 4 2023, 10:00 AM)
All can even more.

EPF,5.5%  after 4 years 
Capital : 47K
Return : 8.75K
Total :- 55.74K

Solar after 4 years
Capital :0 k
Return :- 38400
Total:- 38400

Again you don't understand that for FD, capital doesn't change.
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Again u don't understand ppl who installed solar already know they not going to shift new house in the next 10-20 years. It generate income as long as there is a sun and someone living inside the house.

It's less capital and much less hassle than owning a property that generate rm800 rental. No tax even. The only downside? I lose it all in housefire or tornado. But still at that point losing 47k should be the least of my worry. lol
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Tbh, instal solar is a good move. Regardless the roi

Money sure can get back long term.
Maintenance here and there along the way - biasa lah but not that frequent la.
Most importantly, go green, save earth, leave a better world to the next generation.
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Tbh, instal solar is a good move. Regardless the roi

Money sure can get back long term.
Maintenance here and there along the way - biasa lah but not that frequent la.
Most importantly, go green, save earth, leave a better world to the next generation.
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can I know which company solar ure using? after reading all 15 pages it seems worth to get solar as my bill is about 1k
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 4 2023, 10:38 AM)
Tbh, instal solar is a good move. Regardless the roi

Money sure can get back long term.
Maintenance here and there along the way - biasa lah but not that frequent la.
Most importantly, go green, save earth, leave a better world to the next generation.
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not sure what is better for the environment, use less electricity or install tons of solar panels to accommodate ones outrages energy usage for residentials.
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The ROI is scaled down the lower your average monthly energy usage is. I usually recommend those with bills more than 400 to get a solar system. If the tariff goes up, they will enjoy more savings.

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can I know which company solar ure using? after reading all 15 pages it seems worth to get solar as my bill is about 1k
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Sure. Later when I have time I pm u.
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not sure what is better for the environment, use less electricity or install tons of solar panels to accommodate ones outrages energy usage for residentials.
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Of course use less electricity. But some of us are already using as minimum we can but still manage to rake up high bill. Probably. Many ppl in one home.


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Sure. Later when I have time I pm u.
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:38 AM)
Hi k/

I installed solar panel for my house 4 months ago. Total cost RM47000 for 26 pcs. Don't know the detail much cos not important to me. All i know is they write Jinko solar 550wp.

So far my average bill from RM800+ reduce to RM40-50. That's a whooping 20% return p.a

Isn't it too good to be true investment? What am i missing? why still not many ppl installing the solar since potential return so damn 7 good. Even EPF give guaranteed 5% only. FD is even lower.

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You are not using energy efficient AC. Switch all to 5 star energy rated AC.
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You are not using energy efficient AC. Switch all to 5 star energy rated AC.
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Maybe can save a bit. But I don’t think will be very big different.

Also the cost of changing the energy efficient ac is quite high also.

Btw, he just escaped the 1500kwh surcharge after installing the solar

If he wasn’t on solar, his bill would be 1k for September. Due to the surcharge. Now he only pay rm80. . His roi is way faster now. .
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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Oct 4 2023, 11:20 AM)
can I know which company solar ure using? after reading all 15 pages it seems worth to get solar as my bill is about 1k
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1k bill is the sweetest spot for solar installation. U can escape the surcharge. and to reach 1k bill your house should be big enough to install more solar panel.

QUOTE(brkli @ Oct 4 2023, 11:21 AM)
not sure what is better for the environment, use less electricity or install tons of solar panels to accommodate ones outrages energy usage for residentials.
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Calling rm800 outrage energy usage a bit unfair wei. My neighbor and family all average rm500-1000 electric bill. Especially after they change it to digital meter.

If ur bill not rm500 and it's a 6 person household i think your meter something wrong. lol

QUOTE(a_dot_el @ Oct 4 2023, 11:38 AM)
You are not using energy efficient AC. Switch all to 5 star energy rated AC.
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Yeah now i realize none of my AC inverter. Probably that's why.

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not all house gila rm800 bil..
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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 4 2023, 09:43 AM)
When you put returns like that it will be compared with other investment class. eg:- 5.5% epf , 3% FD, 6% ASNB but you cannot really compare them that way,
If you put 47k in FD, 3%  for 5 years you get 47k + (3%^5*47k).
The 47K that you put in is unchanged after 5 years

If you put in 47K in Solar and you claim 20% return.
By right at the end of 5 years you get 47K +(20%^5*47k) but you don't get it.
You can't sell the solar panels and your solar panels are not worth 47k anymore. . That is asset depreciation.

So technically, if you include asset depreciation. The first 5-6 years is 0% and then only after that is 20%.
You don't understand that you cannot get back the capital that you put in.
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two ways to look at it.

if u keep the money in epf, u still need to pay tnb bill right? say u withdraw money every month to pay 800 to TNB, how much of this 47k will be left after 4 years, or how many years the 47k totally depleted by using it to pay tnb bill?

if u use the 47k to install solar pv, say 800 tnb bill saving per month, what u can do is to invest the 800 into something that can give u 5.5% return, i dont think thats difficult to find such investment (say just buy maybank shares lah that give annual dividend 6 to 7%), in 4 years, u will get about 44k in investment, in 8 years, your investment value will be about 97k, while if the money still in epf, that 47k will increase to about 73k in 8 years, the gap will grow larger and larger

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QUOTE(brkli @ Oct 4 2023, 11:21 AM)
not sure what is better for the environment, use less electricity or install tons of solar panels to accommodate ones outrages energy usage for residentials.
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installation of solar shouldnt be excuse to rake higher energy usage but it sometimes incentivized ppl reckless behavior like my neighbor could have walk to tempat beribadat but he drove his big ass SUV.


QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Oct 4 2023, 12:37 PM)
two ways to look at it.

if u keep the money in epf, u still need to pay tnb bill right? say u withdraw money every month to pay 800 to TNB, how much of this 47k will be left after 4 years, or how many years the 47k totally depleted by using it to pay tnb bill?

if u use the 47k to install solar pv, say 800 tnb bill saving per month, what u can do is to invest the 800 into something that can give u 5.5% return, i dont think thats difficult to find such investment (say just buy maybank shares lah that give annual dividend 6 to 7%), in 4 years, u will get about 44k in investment, in 8 years, your investment value will be about 97k, while if the money still in epf, that 47k will increase to about 73k in 8 years, the gap will grow larger and larger
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i think even i have the 47k for epf/other instrument for upfront, i'll still EPP it.
i think a lot of ppl see it as investment first and thinking they have 47k upfront to foot it (or maybe they have but i dont), like bee mention my system seems perform lower but from a longer stance perspective i still stand to benefit financially from it based on current situation.
so in my case i have a monthly 400 bill which i pay to cc instead of tnb, but in 5-7th year these 400 become extra which i could put in to epf
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 4 2023, 11:56 AM)
1k bill is the sweetest spot for solar installation. U can escape the surcharge. and to reach 1k bill your house should be big enough to install more solar panel.
Calling rm800 outrage energy usage a bit unfair wei. My neighbor and family all average rm500-1000 electric bill. Especially after they change it to digital meter.

If ur bill not rm500 and it's a 6 person household i think your meter something wrong. lol
Yeah now i realize none of my AC inverter. Probably that's why.
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just checked the roof I think can fit more than I need lol.. can fit around 40-50 panels or more from the looks of it

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installation of solar shouldnt be excuse to rake higher energy usage but it sometimes incentivized ppl reckless behavior like my neighbor could have walk to tempat beribadat but he drove his big ass SUV.
i think even i have the 47k for epf/other instrument for upfront, i'll still EPP it.
i think a lot of ppl see it as investment first and thinking they have 47k upfront to foot it (or maybe they have but i dont), like bee mention my system seems perform lower but from a longer stance perspective i still stand to benefit financially from it based on current situation.
so in my case i have a monthly 400 bill which i pay to cc instead of tnb, but in 5-7th year these 400 become extra which i could put in to epf
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just saying, of course EPP even more beneficial as its 0% interest and the epf money still giving 5.5%

how many years EPP u r getting? what i heard max 4 years only

if 4 years EPP, your monthly installment will still be higher than your tnb bill and can only see net saving after 4 years
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Oct 4 2023, 01:19 PM)
just saying, of course EPP even more beneficial as its 0% interest and the epf money still giving 5.5%

how many years EPP u r getting? what i heard max 4 years only

if 4 years EPP, your monthly installment will still be higher than your tnb bill and can only see net saving after 4 years
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i only took 2yr epp, dont feel like locking up cc too long so in my case mmg nett saving is way after i paid my system off
speaking of that, i also got 1600 (tngo) and some among cashback from the cards i use to EPP it.

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You can install less solar panel so the cost will be lesser. iianm it is 16k for around rm200 yield. lol why everyone keep stuck in the perpetual loop of " NOT EVERYONE HAVE RM800 BILL!!!". You can just lower your system to match your monthly bill. TNB will require u to do it anyway, they wont let u generate more than your current electric bill. No one is close minded here. chill.
Again u don't understand ppl who installed solar already know they not going to shift new house in the next 10-20 years. It generate income as long as there is a sun and someone living inside the house.

It's less capital and much less hassle than owning a property that generate rm800 rental. No tax even. The only downside? I lose it all in housefire or tornado. But still at that point losing 47k should be the least of my worry. lol
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It's about the accuracy of the ROI term.

If someone tells you FD ROI 15%
or Solar ROI 20%.


Which is a better investment?
From numbers alone Solar is a bigger number therefore it has better ROI right?
But that is not true. Why does FD ROI of 15% outperform Solar ROI of 20%?
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 4 2023, 11:46 AM)
Maybe can save a bit. But I don’t think will be very big different. 

Also the cost of changing the energy efficient ac is quite high also.

Btw, he just escaped the 1500kwh surcharge after installing the solar

If he wasn’t on solar, his bill would be 1k for September. Due to the surcharge. Now he only pay rm80. .  His roi is way faster now. .
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Moving from 3 star to 5 star can result in huge savings. It is actually quite a big difference.
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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 4 2023, 01:46 PM)
It's about the accuracy of the ROI term.

If someone tells you FD ROI 15%
or Solar ROI 20%.
Which is a better investment?
From numbers alone Solar is a bigger number therefore it has better ROI right?
But that is not true. Why does FD ROI of 15% outperform Solar ROI of 20%?
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Okay. What if this is the scenario.

Scenario a
Put 47k in fixed d

Earn interest

Everry month another fresh 800 pay to Tnb.

For 10 years

Scenario b

Put 47k in solar
Every month another fresh 800 put into fix d.

For 10 years.

Which one is more worthwhile. ?

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 4 2023, 02:15 PM)
Okay. What if this is the scenario.

Scenario a
Put 47k in fixed d

Earn interest

Everry month another fresh 800 pay to Tnb.

For 10 years

Scenario b

Put 47k in solar
Every month another fresh 800  put into fix d.

For 10 years.

Which one is more worthwhile. ?
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Okay. To answer my own question.

Scenario a
By the end of year 10, will have rm81360.59

Based on interest 5.5 percent.

Scenario b

End of 10 years.
Will have RM 126,806.07

Based on 5.5 interest

And a 47k system Solar that still generate but depreciated in value or no value.


Did I calculate any wrong here?
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 4 2023, 02:32 PM)
Okay.  To answer my own question.

Scenario a
By the end of year 10, will have rm81360.59

Based on interest 5.5 percent.

Scenario b

End of 10 years.
Will have  RM 126,806.07

Based on 5.5 interest

And a 47k system Solar that still generate but depreciated in value or no value.
Did I calculate any wrong here?
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thats exactly what i mentioned earlier where i calculated for 8 years period

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with all those calculation...
make life so damn hard.............

in the end, most important is, how u feel after install it?
do you feel good that using green energy?
if yes, it meet the purpose already.
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thats exactly what i mentioned earlier where i calculated for 8 years period
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So I feel it’s really worth it. Assuming the calculation is correct. Coz many are skeptical, so I wasn’t very sure if I calculated correctly.

End of the 10 years got more money in bank and got a cash cow(generator) to continue producing a commodity.
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Oct 4 2023, 12:37 PM)
two ways to look at it.

if u keep the money in epf, u still need to pay tnb bill right? say u withdraw money every month to pay 800 to TNB, how much of this 47k will be left after 4 years, or how many years the 47k totally depleted by using it to pay tnb bill?

if u use the 47k to install solar pv, say 800 tnb bill saving per month, what u can do is to invest the 800 into something that can give u 5.5% return, i dont think thats difficult to find such investment (say just buy maybank shares lah that give annual dividend 6 to 7%), in 4 years, u will get about 44k in investment, in 8 years, your investment value will be about 97k, while if the money still in epf, that 47k will increase to about 73k in 8 years, the gap will grow larger and larger
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I stand corrected, after looking at your post I realise that still need to pay TNB bill for EPF case which is not accounted for.

I made a separate post below.





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so you paid advance electric bill for about 60 months.. each month x 800.

just hope after 58 month everything still functional.. if yes then you are gaining if not.. its just a advance payment of your 800 electric bill.



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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 4 2023, 03:46 PM)
I stand corrected, after looking at your post  I realise that  still need to pay TNB bill for EPF case which is not accounted for.

I made a separate post below.
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So the scenarios that I made just now looks okay? Any wrong calculation there?
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so you paid advance electric bill for about 60 months.. each month x 800.

just hope after 58 month everything still functional..  if yes then you are gaining if not.. its just a advance payment of your 800 electric bill.
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It’s more than a hope. It’s performance guaranteed.

So if anything wrong, it can be fixed. The critical period is the first 10 years.

Since warranty covers up to 12 and some 25 years for inverter and pnel warranty is 25-30 years performance.

So I think it is a calculated risk there la. Not to say it will never break down but the effect will not be that bad.

But one thing can cause the problem u said. U have a bad neighbour throwing stones to your panels. Crack all of them. Then yes your worse nightmare happens.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 4 2023, 02:32 PM)
Okay.  To answer my own question.

Scenario a
By the end of year 10, will have rm81360.59

Based on interest 5.5 percent.

Scenario b

End of 10 years.
Will have  RM 126,806.07

Based on 5.5 interest

And a 47k system Solar that still generate but depreciated in value or no value.
Did I calculate any wrong here?
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I stand corrected, I did not take into account that the electricity still need to be paid for EPF case.
Basically the moment once the gains from EPF cannot cover the electricity bill, you cannot rely on compounding value to beat solar case.

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QUOTE(etan26 @ Oct 4 2023, 09:53 AM)
If I can get 800 monthly or 9,600 yearly against my investment of 38,000 already yields 25%, apa lagi awak mau?  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif

After 4 years already ROI 38k . . .. another 4 years another ROI 38k, tell me what FD/EPF can give me the same?
Bear in mind this could last 25 years although the returns will dropped 10-20% ...
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I stand corrected , I did not put in electricity bill in EPF case which causes it to skew towards other investment.
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i'm using excel xirr formula for the internal return rates, assuming i paid all upfront, and have excess kWp to cover the loss of efficiency. the return is 27.16%.

1/1/2023 -18,000.00
31/1/2023 400.00
28/2/2023 400.00
31/3/2023 400.00
30/4/2023 400.00
31/5/2023 400.00
30/6/2023 400.00
31/7/2023 400.00
31/8/2023 400.00
30/9/2023 400.00
31/10/2023400.00
30/11/2023400.00
31/12/2023400.00
31/1/2024 400.00
29/2/2024 400.00
31/3/2024 400.00
30/4/2024 400.00
31/5/2024 400.00
30/6/2024 400.00
31/7/2024 400.00
31/8/2024 400.00
30/9/2024 400.00
31/10/2024400.00
30/11/2024400.00
31/12/2024400.00
31/1/2025 400.00
28/2/2025 400.00
31/3/2025 400.00
30/4/2025 400.00
31/5/2025 400.00
30/6/2025 400.00
31/7/2025 400.00
31/8/2025 400.00
30/9/2025 400.00
31/10/2025400.00
30/11/2025400.00
31/12/2025400.00
31/1/2026 400.00
28/2/2026 400.00
31/3/2026 400.00
30/4/2026 400.00
31/5/2026 400.00
30/6/2026 400.00
31/7/2026 400.00
31/8/2026 400.00
30/9/2026 400.00
31/10/2026400.00
30/11/2026400.00
31/12/2026400.00
31/1/2027 400.00
28/2/2027 400.00
31/3/2027 400.00
30/4/2027 400.00
31/5/2027 400.00
30/6/2027 400.00
31/7/2027 400.00
31/8/2027 400.00
30/9/2027 400.00
31/10/2027400.00
30/11/2027400.00
31/12/2027400.00
31/1/2028 400.00
29/2/2028 400.00
31/3/2028 400.00
30/4/2028 400.00
31/5/2028 400.00
30/6/2028 400.00
31/7/2028 400.00
31/8/2028 400.00
30/9/2028 400.00
31/10/2028400.00
30/11/2028400.00
31/12/2028400.00
31/1/2029 400.00
28/2/2029 400.00
31/3/2029 400.00
30/4/2029 400.00
31/5/2029 400.00
30/6/2029 400.00
31/7/2029 400.00
31/8/2029 400.00
30/9/2029 400.00
31/10/2029400.00
30/11/2029400.00
31/12/2029400.00
31/1/2030 400.00
28/2/2030 400.00
31/3/2030 400.00
30/4/2030 400.00
31/5/2030 400.00
30/6/2030 400.00
31/7/2030 400.00
31/8/2030 400.00
30/9/2030 400.00
31/10/2030400.00
30/11/2030400.00
31/12/2030400.00
31/1/2031 400.00
28/2/2031 400.00
31/3/2031 400.00
30/4/2031 400.00
31/5/2031 400.00
30/6/2031 400.00
31/7/2031 400.00
31/8/2031 400.00
30/9/2031 400.00
31/10/2031400.00
30/11/2031400.00
31/12/2031400.00
31/1/2032 400.00
29/2/2032 400.00
31/3/2032 400.00
30/4/2032 400.00
31/5/2032 400.00
30/6/2032 400.00
31/7/2032 400.00
31/8/2032 400.00
30/9/2032 400.00
31/10/2032400.00
30/11/2032400.00
31/12/2032400.00
27.16%

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i'm using excel xirr formula for the internal return rates, assuming i paid all upfront, and have excess kWp to cover the loss of efficiency. the return is 27.16%.

1/1/2023 -18,000.00
31/1/2023  400.00
28/2/2023  400.00
31/3/2023  400.00
30/4/2023  400.00
31/5/2023  400.00
30/6/2023  400.00
31/7/2023  400.00
31/8/2023  400.00
30/9/2023  400.00
31/10/2023400.00
30/11/2023400.00
31/12/2023400.00
31/1/2024  400.00
29/2/2024  400.00
31/3/2024  400.00
30/4/2024  400.00
31/5/2024  400.00
30/6/2024  400.00
31/7/2024  400.00
31/8/2024  400.00
30/9/2024  400.00
31/10/2024400.00
30/11/2024400.00
31/12/2024400.00
31/1/2025  400.00
28/2/2025  400.00
31/3/2025  400.00
30/4/2025  400.00
31/5/2025  400.00
30/6/2025  400.00
31/7/2025  400.00
31/8/2025  400.00
30/9/2025  400.00
31/10/2025400.00
30/11/2025400.00
31/12/2025400.00
31/1/2026  400.00
28/2/2026  400.00
31/3/2026  400.00
30/4/2026  400.00
31/5/2026  400.00
30/6/2026  400.00
31/7/2026  400.00
31/8/2026  400.00
30/9/2026  400.00
31/10/2026400.00
30/11/2026400.00
31/12/2026400.00
31/1/2027  400.00
28/2/2027  400.00
31/3/2027  400.00
30/4/2027  400.00
31/5/2027  400.00
30/6/2027  400.00
31/7/2027  400.00
31/8/2027  400.00
30/9/2027  400.00
31/10/2027400.00
30/11/2027400.00
31/12/2027400.00
31/1/2028  400.00
29/2/2028  400.00
31/3/2028  400.00
30/4/2028  400.00
31/5/2028  400.00
30/6/2028  400.00
31/7/2028  400.00
31/8/2028  400.00
30/9/2028  400.00
31/10/2028400.00
30/11/2028400.00
31/12/2028400.00
31/1/2029  400.00
28/2/2029  400.00
31/3/2029  400.00
30/4/2029  400.00
31/5/2029  400.00
30/6/2029  400.00
31/7/2029  400.00
31/8/2029  400.00
30/9/2029  400.00
31/10/2029400.00
30/11/2029400.00
31/12/2029400.00
31/1/2030  400.00
28/2/2030  400.00
31/3/2030  400.00
30/4/2030  400.00
31/5/2030  400.00
30/6/2030  400.00
31/7/2030  400.00
31/8/2030  400.00
30/9/2030  400.00
31/10/2030400.00
30/11/2030400.00
31/12/2030400.00
31/1/2031  400.00
28/2/2031  400.00
31/3/2031  400.00
30/4/2031  400.00
31/5/2031  400.00
30/6/2031  400.00
31/7/2031  400.00
31/8/2031  400.00
30/9/2031  400.00
31/10/2031400.00
30/11/2031400.00
31/12/2031400.00
31/1/2032  400.00
29/2/2032  400.00
31/3/2032  400.00
30/4/2032  400.00
31/5/2032  400.00
30/6/2032  400.00
31/7/2032  400.00
31/8/2032  400.00
30/9/2032  400.00
31/10/2032400.00
30/11/2032400.00
31/12/2032400.00
27.16%
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Wow. Quite a long post.

Though, I don’t really think a 18k system can help u cover 400 ringgit bill.

From my understanding of your calculation la.
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I stand corrected, I did not take into account that the electricity still need to be paid for EPF case.
Basically the moment once the gains from EPF cannot cover the electricity bill, you cannot rely on compounding value to beat solar case.

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this is a little over-simplified with the assumption of 47k upfront, for most solar user it will be usually EPP of 2-5yrs card dependent.
using the same logic to gradually increase the capital over the same period, you will not get 2.5k. Furthermore using epf as benchmark the dividend given also depends on when the funds goes into epf pool so it is even much lesser when partial capital funds are being inputed over the same 2-5yr period.

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so using same way of the first 5yr where the amount is contributed to investment instrument with 5.5% (i shouldnt use epf cos that cant be taken out till 55yo) by the end of the 5yrs, it will be a little ahead with 4.8k, but then for the next 10yrs with the expectation of 15 years cycle, i could still put this extra which i dont pay to tnb now.
i'm also not using the invested fund to pay tnb as calculation, meaning one will need even more disposable income to sustain the ROI.

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and if i have 47k upfront, then same result as yours with year 6 running out of fund if i dont put into solar.
this is of course provided after completing the EPP repayment the extra that i dont pay EPP/tnb is also put into investment instrument for the total course.

user posted image
to put the field even, for the first 5yrs i'll also put in the same amount per the EPP as i should have that extra disposable income (as otherwise i wouldnt be able to pay the EPP); which by yr14 i would run out of funds.

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this is a little over-simplified with the assumption of 47k upfront, for most solar user it will be usually EPP of 2-5yrs card dependent.
using the same logic to gradually increase the capital over the same period, you will not get 2.5k. Furthermore using epf as benchmark the dividend given also depends on when the funds goes into epf pool so it is even much lesser when partial capital funds are being inputed over the same 2-5yr period.

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so using same way of the first 5yr where the amount is contributed to investment instrument with 5.5% (i shouldnt use epf cos that cant be taken out till 55yo) by the end of the 5yrs, it will be a little ahead with 4.8k, but then for the next 10yrs with the expectation of 15 years cycle, i could still put this extra which i dont pay to tnb now.
i'm also not using the invested fund to pay tnb as calculation, meaning one will need even more disposable income to sustain the ROI.

user posted image
and if i have 47k upfront, then same result as yours with year 6 running out of fund if i dont put into solar.
this is of course provided after completing the EPP repayment the extra that i dont pay EPP/tnb is also put into investment instrument for the total course.

user posted image
to put the field even, for the first 5yrs i'll also put in the same amount per the EPP as i should have that extra disposable income (as otherwise i wouldnt be able to pay the EPP); which by yr14 i would run out of funds.
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so using same way of the first 5yr where the amount is contributed to investment instrument with 5.5% (i shouldnt use epf cos that cant be taken out till 55yo) by the end of the 5yrs, it will be a little ahead with 4.8k, but then for the next 10yrs with the expectation of 15 years cycle, i could still put this extra which i dont pay to tnb now.
i'm also not using the invested fund to pay tnb as calculation, meaning one will need even more disposable income to sustain the ROI.
If you don't take invested fund to pay TNB as if you take from another source , it means the amount of capital used is higher , which means it no longer is 47k but 47k + extra money to pay TNB bill.

I'm trying to make it apple and apples as much as possible, you have 47K money and 9.4k electricity expense every year. Which would come up at the top?

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To be honest, all these calculation only prove one thing. If u instal solar, surely will be better than no solar. For lower amount of bill, the system is considered “free” while for higher amount bill the system is considered”free” and get to use some free energy.

So just go solar je if you wanna convert your Tnb payment into a cash making machine on your roof.
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If you don't take invested fund to pay TNB as if you take from another source , it means the amount of capital used is higher , which means it no longer is 47k but 47k + extra money to pay TNB bill.

I'm trying to make it apple and apples as much as possible, you have 47K money and 9.4k electricity expense every year. Which would come up at the top?
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U keep making things super complicated.

Just make it simple, compare the risk against EPF.

Both also super safe. Biggest difference is the first 5 years u can take out 47k from EPF for emergency. Meanwhile for solar the 47 get locked for 5 years.

If u can survive the initial 5 years without touching the 47k. Solar system will win big time as it roll on.
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Yup, everyone should install solar even though they are staying in apartment, cover entire balcony
Since everyone's TNB bills are 800+, can save a lot.
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How to install solar at condo?
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Balcony. Retractable structure.


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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 4 2023, 03:59 PM)
I stand corrected, I did not take into account that the electricity still need to be paid for EPF case.
Basically the moment once the gains from EPF cannot cover the electricity bill, you cannot rely on compounding value to beat solar case.

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Remember your sheet shows after 10 years you cant sell back because nem contract is over (not sure if government will continue or extend confirm have to reapply).


Take note - ppl who did their homework abt NEM soalr already know after 10 years they buy batteries and store access energy for night use. This will also consider as saving already but upfront cost would be battery .

Currently estimate price for 5kwh = RM5k-6k (can get cheaper , battery and solar prices keeps dropping).

Average we need at least 10kwh per house depending on lood/usage.
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QUOTE(vin6 @ Oct 5 2023, 01:22 PM)
Remember your sheet shows after 10 years you cant sell back because nem contract is over (not sure if government will continue or extend confirm have to reapply).
Take note - ppl who did their homework abt NEM soalr already know after 10 years they buy batteries and store access energy for night use. This will also consider as saving already but upfront cost would be battery .

Currently estimate price for 5kwh = RM5k-6k (can get cheaper , battery and solar prices keeps dropping).

Average we need at least 10kwh per house depending on lood/usage.
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With current pricing i have to spend about 35k for 35kwh storage for night usage.

So , I hope by then the price drop to sub 20k and with my system, I can still give my system another round of good run.
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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 5 2023, 11:42 AM)
If you don't take invested fund to pay TNB as if you take from another source , it means the amount of capital used is higher , which means it no longer is 47k but 47k + extra money to pay TNB bill.

I'm trying to make it apple and apples as much as possible, you have 47K money and 9.4k electricity expense every year. Which would come up at the top?
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yes, thus i've put up different scenario as calculation comparison, and i believe for apple to apple calculation it should start from 0 instead of having the 47k upfront as most solar will be in EPP form
one thing to consider is i'm not using the money i put in my investment account to pay for solar, i'm using my electricity money to pay for solar.

QUOTE(vin6 @ Oct 5 2023, 01:22 PM)
Remember your sheet shows after 10 years you cant sell back because nem contract is over (not sure if government will continue or extend confirm have to reapply).
Take note - ppl who did their homework abt NEM solar already know after 10 years they buy batteries and store access energy for night use. This will also consider as saving already but upfront cost would be battery .

Currently estimate price for 5kwh = RM5k-6k (can get cheaper , battery and solar prices keeps dropping).

Average we need at least 10kwh per house depending on lood/usage.
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yea...its important to know its a 10yr cycle and will need to see how the government and energy player propose any mechanism then.
but it is best to treat it as SELCO by then and plan second phase improvement for battery installation which hopefully reduces by then.
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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 4 2023, 03:59 PM)
I stand corrected, I did not take into account that the electricity still need to be paid for EPF case.
Basically the moment once the gains from EPF cannot cover the electricity bill, you cannot rely on compounding value to beat solar case.

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lel.. how solar can "fixed ROI"? everyday sunny? solar panel efficiency will stay the same throughout the 5 years? no wear and tear?
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lel.. how solar can "fixed ROI"? everyday sunny? solar panel efficiency will stay the same throughout the 5 years? no wear and tear?
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Year 5 should be around 95% so it can start at 9500 and end with 9025 at year 5.

It's just simple modification to the excel sheet with a panel degradation model but it is pointless when at year 10 for EPF side , you already have to come out with 35K extra money for electricity.
The gap is already big enough to show the winner.

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QUOTE(vin6 @ Oct 5 2023, 01:22 PM)
Remember your sheet shows after 10 years you cant sell back because nem contract is over (not sure if government will continue or extend confirm have to reapply).
Take note - ppl who did their homework abt NEM soalr already know after 10 years they buy batteries and store access energy for night use. This will also consider as saving already but upfront cost would be battery .

Currently estimate price for 5kwh = RM5k-6k (can get cheaper , battery and solar prices keeps dropping).

Average we need at least 10kwh per house depending on lood/usage.
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That is true but at year 10 , investment side shows -37k which means additional 37k from the pocket.


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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:53 AM)
me wife and 4 ekor anak.

Average 3 biji aircon every night until morning. +1 study room aircon if star aligned and i get to play game. Even my friends and family shocked about my rm800+ bill. I also dunno why so high really.
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i think you need to learn how to conserve electricity
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That is true but at year 10 , investment side shows -37k which means additional 37k from the pocket.
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From the scenario that I show earlier, and all the calculation model point to the benefit of having solar, so year 11onwards, you just need to spend a battery (currently is 47k but could be only 30k in Year 11). Let’s take rm30k

So year 11, you spend on a battery for 30k. Another upfront you come out first. You can use a portion of the 130k that you have saved and then continues to enjoy the rm800 electricity bill.

The new cycle continues but roi is way faster now compared to first cycle.

So with solar panel, your ledger will always be in positive. Unlike u save in epf and pay Tnb, ledger become negative big time.
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It’s more than a hope. It’s performance guaranteed.

So if anything wrong, it can be fixed.  The critical period is the first 10 years. 

Since warranty covers up to 12 and some 25 years for inverter and pnel warranty is 25-30 years performance. 

So I think it is a calculated risk there la. Not to say it will never break down but the effect will not be that bad. 

But one thing can cause the problem u said. U have a bad neighbour throwing stones to your panels.  Crack all of them. Then yes your worse nightmare happens.
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ohh 12~25 years not bad, long term gain, but how about the battery storage? , those should be the most expensive and warranty only cover like 1 year?
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ohh 12~25 years not bad, long term gain, but how about the battery storage? , those should be the most expensive and warranty only cover like 1 year?
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Right now for the first 10 years under nem 3.0, we don’t have or need any battery. So battery maintenance or replacement is never an issue.

Even if you decide to go for battery solution after 10 years, the batteries nowadays come with 10 years warranty, so it’s not an issue either. It’s never 1 year warranty.
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May be by then we have used-ev battery storage system which r cheaper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKSmIqGvZR4
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May 2023 RM 839.50
Nov 2023 RM 589.74

RM249.76 difference

any device that u change during this period?

I recently change all my AC ,fridge, washer and dryer to inverters, can see some significant difference in bills, consumption still the same, turun around rm100+

my conventional AC all old already > 10 years

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May 2023 RM 839.50
Nov 2023 RM 589.74

RM249.76 difference

any device that u change during this period?

I recently change all my AC ,fridge, washer and dryer to inverters, can see some significant difference in bills, consumption still the same, turun around rm100+

my conventional AC all old already > 10 years
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Hi. No changes.

The amount difference is the electricity I consumed during daytime before exporting back to TNB.
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I installed solar panel for my house 4 months ago. Total cost RM47000 for 26 pcs. Don't know the detail much cos not important to me. All i know is they write Jinko solar 550wp.

So far my average bill from RM800+ reduce to RM40-50. That's a whooping 20% return p.a

Isn't it too good to be true investment? What am i missing? why still not many ppl installing the solar since potential return so damn 7 good. Even EPF give guaranteed 5% only. FD is even lower.

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How u check the solar generation on myTNB app? Can teach me?
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How u check the solar generation on myTNB app? Can teach me?
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U can see the export figure.

Thst is the generation that got pushed back to Tnb. This figure will be smaller than the solar generation shown in the app

For example. Your Tnb bill export is 1000kwh

Ur solar generation for the month from solar app is 1300kwh

That means you use some of the generated power of 300kwh.
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U can see the export figure.

Thst is the generation that got pushed back to Tnb. This figure will be smaller than the solar generation shown in the app

For example. Your Tnb bill export is 1000kwh

Ur solar generation for the month from solar app is 1300kwh

That means you use some of the generated power of 300kwh.
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Apologies. What i mean is; currently i can view the electricity bill of my parents’ house on myTNB app. Few years ago, my father installed solar panel on the rooftop. Also from Jinko Solar (Ipoh). Do i need to register with TNB in order for the solar power generation statistics to appear on the monthly TNB bill in the app?
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Apologies. What i mean is; currently i can view the electricity bill of my parents’ house on myTNB app. Few years ago, my father installed solar panel on the rooftop. Also from Jinko Solar (Ipoh). Do i need to register with TNB in order for the solar power generation statistics to appear on the monthly TNB bill in the app?
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U can view what I explained from their monthly bill. The monthly bill you can add the Tnb acc into your app in your phone. Then u can download already.
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Hi k/

I installed solar panel for my house 4 months ago. Total cost RM47000 for 26 pcs. Don't know the detail much cos not important to me. All i know is they write Jinko solar 550wp.

So far my average bill from RM800+ reduce to RM40-50. That's a whooping 20% return p.a

Isn't it too good to be true investment? What am i missing? why still not many ppl installing the solar since potential return so damn 7 good. Even EPF give guaranteed 5% only. FD is even lower.
hmm i dont understand TS... u have installed 26*550 = 14.3kwp
in your bill only see you generate 1071kWh... ada sikit rendah isn't it?

14.3kwp should generate around worth of rm1k electricity dy... why only export rm552?

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Just use lease method lar.

Can subscribe with petronas gentari. Put lil money as deposit they come, install and maintain their solar on your house rooftop.

You get discounted electricity rate.

The solar equipment maintenance, depreciation rate, ROI is not part of your risk already.

Its better that way.

Win win situation for renewable power provider and you.

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Solar panel so exp? Or vendor kuat... Ahemmm
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Just use lease method lar.

Can subscribe with petronas gentari. Put lil money as deposit they come, install and maintain their solar on your house rooftop.

You get discounted electricity rate.

The solar equipment maintenance, depreciation rate, ROI is not part of your risk already.

Its better that way.

Win win situation for renewable power provider and you.
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Calculated already. Not really worth it. Need to pay average 47cent.
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hmm i dont understand TS... u have installed 26*550 = 14.3kwp
in your bill only see you generate 1071kWh... ada sikit rendah isn't it?

14.3kwp should generate around worth of rm1k electricity dy... why only export rm552?
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At 3.5 sun hour it shouldn’t be worth 1k of electricity Nyway. The generation is alright. It hasn’t include the self consumption figure.
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At 3.5 sun hour it shouldn’t be worth 1k of electricity Nyway. The generation is alright. It hasn’t include the self consumption figure.
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my vendors gave me a list from different brands.. apparently for 14.3kwp is rm1k electrcity bill already..
meaning they false claim the value?
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my vendors gave me a list from different brands.. apparently for 14.3kwp is rm1k electrcity bill already..
meaning they false claim the value?
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If u interested to learn more, can pm me. Or later when I free i pm u.
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RM800+ bill?? What you have in your house..... 50 air cons and 50 fridges??
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RM800+ bill?? What you have in your house..... 50 air cons and 50 fridges??
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No so much la. My house 13-15 aircond, bill only around rm650. Fridge got two. Dryer got two.
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for a tropical sun drenched country like us...
solar power generation should be made available to all (with a roof/space) irrespective to how much the current household TNB bill is

current target group are those with bills amounting to above rm500
where got fair
suruhanjaya tenaga pon lg satu.......make it such that those however small be able to save laa a lil - the concept of saving is important
buatkan yg sudah kaya jadi lagi kaya butter toast watpe
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for a tropical sun drenched country like us...
solar power generation should be made available to all (with a roof/space) irrespective to how much the current household TNB bill is

current target group are those with bills amounting to above rm500
where got fair
suruhanjaya tenaga pon lg satu.......make it such that those however small be able to save laa a lil - the concept of saving is important
buatkan yg sudah kaya jadi lagi kaya butter toast watpe
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Actually bill 300 also can go solar. Not bad roi.
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QUOTE(machomama @ Feb 14 2024, 05:29 PM)
for a tropical sun drenched country like us...
solar power generation should be made available to all (with a roof/space) irrespective to how much the current household TNB bill is

current target group are those with bills amounting to above rm500
where got fair
suruhanjaya tenaga pon lg satu.......make it such that those however small be able to save laa a lil - the concept of saving is important
buatkan yg sudah kaya jadi lagi kaya butter toast watpe
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It is available for all. Who said it is not available below rm500. you just need to pay.

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buatkan yg sudah kaya jadi lagi kaya butter toast watpe


You want tongkat for installing solar?

Why do you think buatkan yang kaya jadi la kaya when they have to put in tens of thousands of ringgit to make electricity cheaper.

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my house with 2 airconds pun below rm100 per month.so not worth it
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800 a month. U mining inside ur house kah?
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Feb 14 2024, 05:25 PM)
No so much la. My house 13-15 aircond, bill only around rm650. Fridge got two. Dryer got two.
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wad house is that so many airconds... i got 3 airconds... generally switch on 2, 1 fridge, 1 freezer... also 300 ish...
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800 a month. U mining inside ur house kah?
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it's probably aircon the entire house everyday one.
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it's probably aircon the entire house everyday one.
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He say only 2 aircond everyday. How come sia. Kena curi kah the electric?
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He say only 2 aircond everyday. How come sia. Kena curi kah the electric?
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those ceiling mounted aircon I believe. Possible to reach RM800.

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Maybe good if u use EV car
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Maybe good if u use EV car
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Better return and can go cheong after profit
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wad house is that so many airconds... i got 3 airconds... generally switch on 2, 1 fridge, 1 freezer... also 300 ish...
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Bungalow. Some room I install two. But not all on at the same time.
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My friend just consider change from this to solar.

He said not worth the effort to adjust meter. Everyday live in fear.
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Yeap... My house, we kena RM12k for the penalty... Somemore they start calculating from 2016-2021 only...

Not worth...
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had my home solar commissioned in Dec2023 so last month was the first full month generation and usage, summary as below:-

1) System Capacity - 7.2kWp, micro-invertor
2) Cost - RM23k, on 48 months EPP
3) Generation in Jan 2024 - 714kWh
4) Export to TNB in Jab 2024 - 525kWh
5) Own consumption of solar energy - 714 - 525 = 189kWh
6) Import from TNB - 557kWh
7) Total energy usage - 557 + 189 = 746kWh
8) TNB bill if no solar - approx RM315
9) TNB bill with solar - RM3
10) Saving - RM312/month
11) ROI - Around 6 years (23000/312*12)

For my consumption, actually a 5kwp system is sufficient. But i was quoted about 20k for that so for a little bid more, i opt for a 7kwp system. This give me flexibility to add another EV for the family in the near future.

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 15 2024, 10:41 AM)
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had my home solar commissioned in Dec2023 so last month was the first full month generation and usage, summary as below:-

1) System Capacity - 7.2kWp, micro-invertor
2) Cost - RM23k, on 48 months EPP
3) Generation in Jan 2024 - 714kWh
4) Export to TNB in Jab 2024 - 525kWh
5) Own consumption of solar energy - 714 - 525 = 189kWh
6) Import from TNB - 557kWh
7) Total energy usage - 557 + 189 = 746kWh
8) TNB bill if no solar - approx RM315
9) TNB bill with solar - RM3
10) Saving - RM312/month
11) ROI - Around 6 years (23000/312*12)

For my consumption, actually a 5kwp system is sufficient. But i was quoted about 20k for that so for a little bid more, i opt for a 7kwp system. This give me flexibility to add another EV for the family in the near future.
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Generated-714kWh VS Usage-746kWh, where got allowance for another EV? Shouldn't u opt for higher kwp?
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Generated-714kWh VS Usage-746kWh, where got allowance for another EV? Shouldn't u opt for higher kwp?
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We enjoy super low tariff for first 300kWh usage. So if my usage reach 1000kWh per month, it is still within the 22c/33c per kwh bracket which is super cheap
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Hi. Can I ask you .. since your gross usage is higher than 1500 units.
Do u get extra charged for the surcharge for touching tat level even though your true usage has been brought down by solar ?

I'm also using solar system now. My usage is around 1300kwh (gross). And my bill after inport export calculation is around rm40.
My worry is if I wan to buy ev car, will my total bill kena the new surcharge since it touches 1500 since I will need to charge the car at home.
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Hi. Can I ask you .. since your gross usage is higher than 1500 units.
Do u get extra charged for the surcharge for touching tat level even though your true usage has been brought down by solar ?

I'm also using solar system now. My usage is around 1300kwh (gross). And my bill after inport export calculation is around rm40.
My worry is if I wan to buy ev car, will my total bill kena the new surcharge since it touches 1500 since I will need to charge the car at home.
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Impor figure if no more than 1500 u will avoid the icpt charges.
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Hi. Can I ask you .. since your gross usage is higher than 1500 units.
Do u get extra charged for the surcharge for touching tat level even though your true usage has been brought down by solar ?

I'm also using solar system now. My usage is around 1300kwh (gross). And my bill after inport export calculation is around rm40.
My worry is if I wan to buy ev car, will my total bill kena the new surcharge since it touches 1500 since I will need to charge the car at home.
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charge your car in day time during weekend/off day. Should be sufficient to fully charge the car unless u drive super far weekly
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Impor figure if no more than 1500 u will avoid the icpt charges.
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Looking at my previous tnb usage, my import is 1100kwh. So likely I can have a quota of 399kwh to charge the ev car at night right..


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charge your car in day time during weekend/off day. Should be sufficient to fully charge the car unless u drive super far weekly
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Ur tip to charge during daytime is to avoid the 'import meter' from going up right ?

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Ur tip to charge during daytime is to avoid the 'import meter' from going up right ?
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47k upfront with that kind of savings …5 year only break even not considering things might break in that 5 years
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47k upfront with that kind of savings …5 year only break even not considering things might break in that 5 years
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QUOTE(archief @ Feb 14 2024, 09:41 AM)
hmm i dont understand TS... u have installed 26*550 = 14.3kwp
in your bill only see you generate 1071kWh... ada sikit rendah isn't it?

14.3kwp should generate around worth of rm1k electricity dy... why only export rm552?
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Because during daytime the solar energy is consumed first before exporting to TNB. Means my house consume roughly rm300-400 electricity during daytime.

QUOTE(bee88 @ Feb 14 2024, 02:31 PM)
Calculated already. Not really worth it. Need to pay average 47cent.
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Can give more detail? my sixth sense telling those company will charge a fee for solar rental and maintenance. They don't charge upfront fee, but they will leech u off every month.

QUOTE(machomama @ Feb 14 2024, 05:29 PM)
for a tropical sun drenched country like us...
solar power generation should be made available to all (with a roof/space) irrespective to how much the current household TNB bill is

current target group are those with bills amounting to above rm500
where got fair
suruhanjaya tenaga pon lg satu.......make it such that those however small be able to save laa a lil - the concept of saving is important
buatkan yg sudah kaya jadi lagi kaya butter toast watpe
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okay your statement very kuat bau tongkat. lol

short answer. I heard TNB don't want the electricity to fluctuate too much, solar is volatile depending on the weather. Too much energy generated they have a hard time regulating production vs usage. Ideally they want to keep the production as efficient as possible, to prevent wastage. The main reason why they limit the solar generation to your monthly bill. This also serve to prevent ppl to install solar in empty houses for the purpose of passive income.

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Looking at my previous tnb usage, my import is 1100kwh. So likely I can have a quota of 399kwh to charge the ev car at night right..
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When u install solar there is two component that cost u money.
- solar panel to collect sunlight
- inverter to convert solar to usable electric.

The panel is relatively cheap when compared to inverter. So when u install solar system. It's recommended to sumbat as many solar panel as possible for one inverter. What i want to say is the system generation is not decided by how much u want to generate. Instead it's how many solar panel ur roof can handle, then u choose the number that a single inverter can fit.

The supplier will guide u in this.
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Feb 15 2024, 05:07 PM)

Can give more detail? my sixth sense telling those company will charge a fee for solar rental and maintenance. They don't charge upfront fee, but they will leech u off every month.

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Apparently u wil need to pay two bills instead of one. One to Tnb. One to solar companies.

When u total up both bill, ur saving is about 10% of ur existing / supposed to be bill.

Unless you are very very big consumer, like few thousand units, the saving is negligible. U are better off paying ur bill using credit card and get 5-10% cash back straight.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Feb 15 2024, 05:29 PM)
Apparently u wil need to pay two bills instead of one. One to Tnb. One to solar companies.

When u total up both bill, ur saving is about 10% of ur existing / supposed to be bill.

Unless you are very very big consumer, like few thousand units, the saving is negligible.  U are better off paying ur bill using credit card and get 5-10% cash back straight.
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figured. haha.

But many will think 10% "free money" better than nothing.
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mind sharing your appliance usage to reach 800rm tnb bill?
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We enjoy super low tariff for first 300kWh usage. So if my usage reach 1000kWh per month, it is still within the 22c/33c per kwh bracket which is super cheap
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Soon this will be removed, solar users will not be entitled to this. The subsidy is meant for poor but rich are benefitting from it!
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Soon this will be removed, solar users will not be entitled to this. The subsidy is meant for poor but rich are benefitting from it!
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If they remove this, it doesn’t affect much. Any increase in tariff is welcome. Coz it’s across board. Poor will be affected too. But for solar user, The roi will be faster. Now it’s the bullshit icpt charges that they manipulate to punish solar users.


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Yeap... My house, we kena RM12k for the penalty... Somemore they start calculating from 2016-2021 only...

Not worth...
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Total damage is more than that. Coz installation fee is at least 3k. So total is 15k. If divide by 6 years, it’s rm208 per month.


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When u install solar there is two component that cost u money.
- solar panel to collect sunlight
- inverter to convert solar to usable electric.

The panel is relatively cheap when compared to inverter. So when u install solar system. It's recommended to sumbat as many solar panel as possible for one inverter. What i want to say is the system generation is not decided by how much u want to generate. Instead it's how many solar panel ur roof can handle, then u choose the number that a single inverter can fit.

The supplier will guide u in this.
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Actually, it depends on usage and ur single and three phase of your house. Too many pnels , u sendiri rugi coz over generation.
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QUOTE(smsid @ Oct 3 2023, 11:45 AM)
Can easily last 10 years solar panel if good brand.

If it takes 5 years to break even, good already.
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Talking about ROI, after 5 years need maintenance, replace broken panels, components etc, then kira ROI again, and break again, then ROI again.
For me, once you spent, forget about ROI, just use it and maintain it. If everything u kira ROI, memang tak nampak untung laugh.gif
ROI only if u operate a factory or some sort of mining where it generate profits for u.

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Talking about ROI, after 5 years need maintenance, replace broken panels, components etc, then kira ROI again, and break again, then ROI again.
For me, once you spent, forget about ROI, just use it and maintain it. If everything u kira ROI, memang tak nampak untung  laugh.gif
ROI only if u operate a factory or some sort of mining where it generate profits for u.
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Lol like that might as well give me your money straight. Buat benda tak ada benefit do for what? Since both ways also lose money might as well just give me direct. I pm you my acc number
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Feb 15 2024, 07:23 PM)
Lol like that might as well give me your money straight. Buat benda tak ada benefit do for what? Since both ways also lose money might as well just give me direct. I pm you my acc number
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U makan u kira roi also? Isi petrol roi also? Beli alza kira roi also? U kencing berak kira roi also? The message here, if u can afford it go ahead.
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Apa benda banyak merepek ni.
Been using solar since 6 years ago. Zero maintenance.
My house usage from RM400++ down to RM 20.
You can monitor the energy intake from apps.
So far it has been consistent except during rainy season.

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QUOTE(atong @ Feb 15 2024, 08:03 PM)
Apa benda banyak merepek ni.
Been using solar since 6 years ago. Zero maintenance.
My house usage from RM400++ down to RM 20.
You can monitor the energy intake from apps.
So far it has been consistent except during rainy season.
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Cam biasa la, terpaling pandai semuer kat sini.
Nothing new.
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had my home solar commissioned in Dec2023 so last month was the first full month generation and usage, summary as below:-

1) System Capacity - 7.2kWp, micro-invertor
2) Cost - RM23k, on 48 months EPP
3) Generation in Jan 2024 - 714kWh
4) Export to TNB in Jab 2024 - 525kWh
5) Own consumption of solar energy - 714 - 525 = 189kWh
6) Import from TNB - 557kWh
7) Total energy usage - 557 + 189 = 746kWh
8) TNB bill if no solar - approx RM315
9) TNB bill with solar - RM3
10) Saving - RM312/month
11) ROI - Around 6 years (23000/312*12)

For my consumption, actually a 5kwp system is sufficient. But i was quoted about 20k for that so for a little bid more, i opt for a 7kwp system. This give me flexibility to add another EV for the family in the near future.
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QUOTE(atong @ Feb 15 2024, 08:03 PM)
Apa benda banyak merepek ni.
Been using solar since 6 years ago. Zero maintenance.
My house usage from RM400++ down to RM 20.
You can monitor the energy intake from apps.
So far it has been consistent except during rainy season.
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Thx for input. Highly appreciate those who installed to share their feedback. I will start compiling them on first post.

I realised many here in /k dont know anything yet talk alot about "maintenance cost". Banyak tin kosong here.
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bill before install.. around 800

bill after install.. around 20-40

daily can get 3-4 hrs peak sun.. 11kW..
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install on sept 23

bill before install.. around 800

bill after install.. around 20-40

daily can get 3-4 hrs peak sun.. 11kW..
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does the install kacau the indoor fusebox?
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does the install kacau the  indoor fusebox?
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Hi k/

I installed solar panel for my house 4 months ago. Total cost RM47000 for 26 pcs. Don't know the detail much cos not important to me. All i know is they write Jinko solar 550wp.

So far my average bill from RM800+ reduce to RM40-50. That's a whooping 20% return p.a

Isn't it too good to be true investment? What am i missing? why still not many ppl installing the solar since potential return so damn 7 good. Even EPF give guaranteed 5% only. FD is even lower.

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edit2: added highest and lowest yield drillz. and total amount generated in a single day.
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Unless this is a multigenerational/multi family home, you having 800 bucks in electricity bills is what's missing

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QUOTE(sihamsedap @ Feb 15 2024, 09:17 PM)
no.. they install separate db box outdoor next to the inverter
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so, the inverter, db box, TNB meter all next to each other; can show a pic of the setup?
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so, the inverter, db box, TNB meter all next to each other; can show a pic of the setup?
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Mine is just additional db box for solar. Next to the main db. Tnb meter is outside. Inverter is hidden behind panel. So u just imagine another db next to your existing db jer.
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install on sept 23

bill before install.. around 800

bill after install.. around 20-40

daily can get 3-4 hrs peak sun.. 11kW..
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Total cost?
Panels name & quantity?
kwh?
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Total cost?
Panels name & quantity?
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36k 0% installment, 34k if cash
JA solar, 20 panels
11kwp system so daily get around 35-45kwh, sometimes more it will hit 50kwh.. depends on cloud conditions
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still got NEM? want to try
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... Banyak tin kosong here.
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Mei 2023 = 1652kWh usage Rm800+++
Nov 2023 = 1240kWh usage Rm40+++ (solar)

Not fair comparison

Should be Rm600+++ vs Rm40+++
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still got NEM? want to try
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Got.if ur bill is quite high, go for it jer
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TS asked why not Malaysian installed Home solar

Then TS mentioned the cost to install is around RM47,000.

"TS is absolutely a best example of a person that really out of touch"

Dia ingat majority Malaysian can simply spend that money for this thing. Nanti cakap bodoh marah


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QUOTE(judas @ Feb 16 2024, 08:00 AM)
Mei 2023 = 1652kWh usage Rm800+++
Nov 2023 = 1240kWh usage Rm40+++ (solar)

Not fair comparison

Should be Rm600+++ vs Rm40+++
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The Nov bill is just the net import. U haven’t include the selfconsumption in the morning. The self consumption in the morning is not on the bill. So Nov bill is not rm600++
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if you pay cash that good
if you pay CC (based on TNB website up to 36 months )
u need to pay rm1284 per month for solar installation & equipment installment
but after 36 month you will happy pay around rm40 to 70/month for electric
mostly Malaysia people can not afford to pay 1k++ for now.
but in k i sure can affrod one la all k salary 20k permonth icon_idea.gif

but if got loan bank up to 10 years,
i believe many people will install solar panel


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QUOTE(ShinHaruhi @ Feb 16 2024, 08:51 AM)
if you pay cash that good
if you pay CC (based on TNB website up to 36 months )
u need to pay rm1284 per month for solar installation & equipment installment 
but after 36 month you will happy pay around rm40 to 70/month for electric 
mostly Malaysia people can not afford to pay 1k++ for now.
but in k i sure can affrod one la all k salary 20k permonth  icon_idea.gif 

but if got loan bank up to 10 years,
i believe many people will install solar panel
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1284x36=46224.
What solar system do u get for this, price & kwh? Or got link?
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QUOTE(MGM @ Feb 16 2024, 10:06 AM)
1284x36=46224.
What solar system do u get for this, price & kwh? Or got link?
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you can check and choose type of house at tnb website
https://www.tnb.com.my/solar



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Roof leaks are the worst effect, all savings let contractor walop fix leak
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Roof leaks are the worst effect, all savings let contractor walop fix leak
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From your own experience?
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36k 0% installment, 34k if cash
JA solar, 20 panels
11kwp system so daily get around 35-45kwh, sometimes more it will hit 50kwh.. depends on cloud conditions
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BTW, did you move from single phase to 3 phase, or already had 3 phase?
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installer will bear the cost, got warranty ma.

QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 16 2024, 09:20 AM)
Roof leaks are the worst effect, all savings let contractor walop fix leak
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BTW, did you move from single phase to 3 phase, or already had 3 phase?
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47k boleh beli berapa biji ipon dah bro
kenapa beli solar panel bile boleh beli ipon, bodoh ke
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47k boleh beli berapa biji ipon dah bro
kenapa beli solar panel bile boleh beli ipon, bodoh ke
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Sebab selepas 5 tahun, FREE electric selama lama nya. Bagus kan?
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QUOTE(xpole @ Feb 16 2024, 08:08 AM)
TS asked why not Malaysian installed Home solar

Then TS mentioned the cost to install is around RM47,000.

"TS is absolutely a best example of a person that really out of touch"

Dia ingat majority Malaysian can simply spend that money for this thing. Nanti cakap bodoh marah
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Learn to read maybe. I already covered this question in first post FAQ

4) Not everyone have RM800 bill. And not everyone have 47k
- no shit dude. Mine is just an example. If your bill RM400 you only need 25k (i guess) setup. Based on my calculation RM400 to RM1000 is the sweetest spot to install solar to reap full benefit.

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Good luck getting them to come on time
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Urs didn’t come on time? Maybe can share ur experience and vendor so we can know which to avoid?
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yes, leaking due to installation.

QUOTE(MGM @ Feb 16 2024, 10:19 AM)
Warranty covers roof leaking too? As long as the warranty period?
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I see, thanks bang.

I have been trying to convince my hubby to go with 3 phase, but you know la, budget and all the hacking hassle we need to go thru.

Anyways our bill is around 250 aje, so there is no major push factor, unless we go for EV cars, dah kena fikir balik!
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Hi. Can I ask you .. since your gross usage is higher than 1500 units.
Do u get extra charged for the surcharge for touching tat level even though your true usage has been brought down by solar ?

I'm also using solar system now. My usage is around 1300kwh (gross). And my bill after inport export calculation is around rm40.
My worry is if I wan to buy ev car, will my total bill kena the new surcharge since it touches 1500 since I will need to charge the car at home.
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Touch 1.5K and the whole amount gets charged with the surcharge right?

Mine 1.6K the past 2 months, and 2.2K the month before that, kena nicely LOL

Rn 1.2K for this month, still got 1 more week so RIP probably gonna be above also FML




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Touch 1.5K and the whole amount gets charged with the surcharge right?

Mine 1.6K the past 2 months, and 2.2K the month before that, kena nicely LOL

Rn 1.2K for this month, still got 1 more week so RIP probably gonna be above also FML
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Yes. On solar or not, import value more than 600, no more icpt rebate 2 cent. Import value more than 1500, surcharge icpt 10cent.

U on solar?

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Yes. On solar or not, import value more than 600, no more icpt rebate 2 cent.  Import value more than 1500, surcharge icpt 10cent.

U on solar?
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Yea since August, just trying to understand the charges and trying to actively reduce. Its kinda stupid that they dont use net import for that ICPT charge.
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Yea since August, just trying to understand the charges and trying to actively reduce. Its kinda stupid that they dont use net import for that ICPT charge.
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That is net import that they use.

If u are referring to “net import” whereby, u need to minus ur export, that isn’t the case.


But if u want to reduce import, u should change ur lifestyle and do everything in the morning. Like that ur import should be reduced. For example, charging ev in the morning.
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wait till u have to repairs and maintenance.
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Yes. That will be in year 20. For battery replacement. Coz first 10 years will be battery free. Year 11 maybe u opt for battery solution. And let’s say battery warranty is 10 years and it kaput in year 10, ngam ngam free battery replacement. So another 10 more years. Total 30 years no need to worry about battery.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Feb 24 2024, 03:44 PM)
That is net import that they use.

If u are referring to “net import” whereby, u need to minus ur export, that isn’t the case.
But if u want to reduce import, u should change ur lifestyle and do everything in the morning. Like that ur import should be reduced. For example, charging ev in the morning.
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Yep, also trying to monitor night time usage with various sensors

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Yes.  That will be in year 20. For battery replacement. Coz first 10 years will be battery free. Year 11 maybe u opt for battery solution. And let’s say battery warranty is 10 years and it kaput in year 10, ngam ngam free battery replacement.  So another 10 more years. Total 30 years no need to worry about battery.
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if battery always free replaced then good deal, battery is as costly as the panels.
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:38 AM)
Hi k/

I installed solar panel for my house 4 months ago. Total cost RM47000 for 26 pcs. Don't know the detail much cos not important to me. All i know is they write Jinko solar 550wp.

So far my average bill from RM800+ reduce to RM40-50. That's a whooping 20% return p.a


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If so good then tnb tutup kilang adi.
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if battery always free replaced then good deal, battery is as costly as the panels.
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Actually there is no battery in the setup. Coz it’s under NEM. TNB will work as the battery for free. So there is no battery to replace.
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If so good then tnb tutup kilang adi.
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You belum cuba belum tahu, sudah cuba hari hari mau.....

Not everyone benefited from solar if their usages are low like RM200-300 monthly bill.
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QUOTE(etan26 @ Feb 24 2024, 09:11 PM)
You belum cuba belum tahu, sudah cuba hari hari mau.....

Not everyone benefited from solar if their usages are low like RM200-300 monthly bill.
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Those do hotel and homestay why no install?
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Those do hotel and homestay why no install?
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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Feb 24 2024, 09:14 PM)
Those do hotel and homestay why no install?
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How u know theres no install?


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U think all those ppl installing all stupid if it is not beneficial?
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How u know theres no install?
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U think all those ppl installing all stupid if it is not beneficial?
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Ask TS feedback after 5 years and 10 years

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I installed too, cuz I see all these EV, BLA BLA
Even my bill per month is 300, I estimate within next 3-5 years my bill will goes to RM400-450. Cuz my kid is growing

NEM3.0 until end of this year only. So took the chance while I got $$

My best day is 30kwh/day, average 25kwh for 12 panel

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Actually there is no battery in the setup. Coz it’s under NEM.  TNB will work as the battery for free.  So there is no battery to replace.
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So direct feed to network

and night time withdraw from TNB

I have farm, meter on commercial rate, there is such scheme also ?
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So direct feed to network

and night time withdraw from TNB

I have farm, meter on commercial rate, there is such scheme also ?
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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Feb 24 2024, 09:14 PM)
Those do hotel and homestay why no install?
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Actually got la. Hotel also got install. Same goes to Homestay too. It all depends on the owner themselves whether they know about the scheme or not. Also some are quite skeptical and keep wondering battery lah, maintenance lah, Tnb not stupid lah and etc. these are the misconception that often stop ppl from seeing the potential of solar. Just like ev too. Some ppl Jsut don’t believe in ev though they never try before.


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QUOTE(munak991 @ Feb 24 2024, 10:07 PM)
I installed too, cuz I see all these EV, BLA BLA
Even my bill per month is 300, I estimate within next 3-5 years my bill will goes to RM400-450. Cuz my kid is growing

NEM3.0 until end of this year only. So took the chance while I got $$

My best day is 30kwh/day, average 25kwh for 12 panel
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How much you install bero?

I wanted to install but after NEM if you got no battery, you can only make use of the solar during day time whereas day time most people not at home and only utilize aircond at night during sleep. And battery cost lot of money.

I think for now I rather use the money put into some investment vehicle that generate 5%, and use the return to pay for utility bill.
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QUOTE(teslaman @ Feb 24 2024, 10:54 PM)
So direct feed to network

and night time withdraw from TNB

I have farm, meter on commercial rate, there is such scheme also ?
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Yes, under Nova. If you can cut off the middleman ROI would be greatly reduced. This month will import 2 more pallets of panels but this round will try new brand instead of Trina.

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How much you install bero?

I wanted to install but after NEM if you got no battery, you can only make use of the solar during day time whereas day time most people not at home and only utilize aircond at night during sleep. And battery cost lot of money.

I think for now I rather use the money put into some investment vehicle that generate 5%, and use the return to pay for utility bill.
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Actually, it depends on your Tnb usage. From there you can calculate and see if you feel it’s worth it or not.

Let me give u an example.

You have 25k cash in hand. Ur bill consistently rm350

You don’t need to pay 25k cash to solar installer.

You just need to get a card with credit limit 25k. And swipe it on epp max 60 months. And that will be 416.66 per month at zero interes repayment.

So right now, u still have ur cash with you which u can invest whereeger u want.

And your new bill for Tnb could be rm3.

So u effectively just pay for solar and already paying the minimal amount to Tnb.

So u are utilizing ur credit limit to work for you. And after 5 years the system is yours and still helping u save rm350.

Even if u don’t have credit card and u decide to use the cash, 25k.

Every month, ur 25k system will help u save rm350 ringgit , and one year is about 4200

If I put 25k in bank, I will only have 1250 per annum at 5 percent. And that interest is not enough to cover 4200 bill thst I have to py Tnb anyway.

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Do you know the NEM only valid for 10 years? Your "return" has an expiry date. Year 1-5 trying to recover, then Year 6-10 you earn some. Year 11 onwards, you are on your own.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Feb 24 2024, 11:40 PM)
Actually, it depends on your Tnb usage. From there you can calculate and see if you feel it’s worth it or not.

Let me give u an example.

You have 25k cash in hand. Ur bill consistently rm350

You don’t need to pay 25k cash to solar installer.

You just need to get a card with credit limit 25k. And swipe it on epp max 60 months. And that will be 416.66 per month at zero interes repayment.

So right now, u still have ur cash with you which u can invest whereeger u want.

And your new bill for Tnb could be rm3.

So u effectively just pay for solar and already paying the minimal amount to Tnb.

So u are utilizing ur credit limit to work for you. And after 5 years the system is yours and still helping u save rm350.

Even if u don’t have credit card and u decide to use the cash, 25k.

Every month, ur 25k system will help u save rm350 ringgit , and one year is about 4200

If I put 25k in bank, I will only have 1250 per annum at 5 percent.  And that interest is not enough to cover 4200 bill thst I have to py Tnb anyway.
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QUOTE(adamw @ Feb 24 2024, 11:38 PM)
Yes, under Nova. If you can cut off the middleman ROI would be greatly reduced. This month will import 2 more pallets of panels but this round will try new brand instead of Trina.
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If we import and setup our own, can get approval from TNB for their NEM program? From where I read on TNB, need to appoint a contractor.
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If we import and setup our own, can get approval from TNB for their NEM program? From where I read on TNB, need to appoint a contractor.
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Not for faint hearted I would say. From sourcing the pnels to installation and commision and applying for nem. Yes, u need seda approved service provider to help apply.

But solar is something u want to have assurance it will work for a long period of time , so engaging a provider isn’t that bad idea. Ur roi could be improved if u diy but when u have problem, u might have trouble to troubleshoot or getting warranty done.

But if you are competent and a builder urself, why not learn more about it and DIY.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Feb 24 2024, 11:54 PM)
Not for faint hearted I would say. From sourcing the pnels to installation and commision and applying for nem. Yes, u need seda approved service provider to help apply.

But solar is something u want to have assurance it will work for a long period of time , so engaging a provider isn’t that bad idea. Ur roi could be improved if u diy but when u have problem, u might have trouble to troubleshoot or getting warranty done.

But if you are competent and a builder urself, why not learn more about it and DIY.
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I just check around. 20 panels 500w cost about rm6k, really can save a lot money.
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QUOTE(ListenToTheWind @ Feb 24 2024, 11:26 PM)
How much you install bero?

I wanted to install but after NEM if you got no battery, you can only make use of the solar during day time whereas day time most people not at home and only utilize aircond at night during sleep. And battery cost lot of money.

I think for now I rather use the money put into some investment vehicle that generate 5%, and use the return to pay for utility bill.
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I just check around. 20 panels 500w cost about rm6k, really can save a lot money.
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Like I said, it’s cheaper if you know your stuff, but if you don’t, better get a certified solar provider. Or else, it is not as easy as buying solar panels at 6k.


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QUOTE(bee88 @ Feb 25 2024, 12:05 AM)
Like I said, it’s cheaper if you know your stuff, but if you don’t, better get a certified solar provider. Or else, it is not as easy as buying solar panels at 6k.
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I am quite confident I can set it up, of course with the guide of the hardware provider as well some youtube DIY video. My only concern is getting approval for NEM from TNB.

adamw seem got experience setting up his own.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Feb 24 2024, 11:24 PM)
Actually got la. Hotel also got install. Same goes to Homestay too. It all depends on the owner themselves whether they know about the scheme or not. Also some are quite skeptical and keep wondering battery lah, maintenance lah, Tnb not stupid lah and etc. these are the misconception that often stop ppl from seeing the potential of solar. Just like ev too. Some ppl Jsut don’t believe in ev though they never try before.
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How long you use adi the solar?
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Is the solar collection consistent through out the entire year? Feels like some certain month it's always raining or cloudy
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If we import and setup our own, can get approval from TNB for their NEM program? From where I read on TNB, need to appoint a contractor.
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QUOTE(ListenToTheWind @ Feb 25 2024, 12:01 AM)
I just check around. 20 panels 500w cost about rm6k, really can save a lot money.
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Tier 1 brand A grade 500W can get RM300 here? I don't need to import already if like that.
QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Feb 25 2024, 12:31 AM)
Is the solar collection consistent through out the entire year? Feels like some certain month it's always raining or cloudy
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Average, so good months will cover up for the bad months. TNB will stored your excess for 1 year.

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Is the solar collection consistent through out the entire year? Feels like some certain month it's always raining or cloudy
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ofcourse not. also the panel efficient will reduce gradually over the years..
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How long you use adi the solar?
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Now entering second year.
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Is the solar collection consistent through out the entire year? Feels like some certain month it's always raining or cloudy
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Usually for rainy months, the production will be about 10-30% lesser than sunny months. Depending on the weather of your place.
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Those do hotel and homestay why no install?
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Homestay every day ada orang sewa? Hotel slowly and surely ... many supermarket sudah ada....

Anyway I don't speak for them ...haha
You can asked me about mine.



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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:56 AM)
My friend just consider change from this to solar.

He said not worth the effort to adjust meter. Everyday live in fear.
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If still using old meter....use airplane powerful magnet lo..
I bought it and yahoo...meter really slow slow..

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QUOTE(adamw @ Feb 24 2024, 11:38 PM)
Yes, under Nova. If you can cut off the middleman ROI would be greatly reduced. This month will import 2 more pallets of panels but this round will try new brand instead of Trina.
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Trina is AAA grade for solar panel Woh

U should worry more on the inverter instead
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 25 2024, 08:48 AM)
Trina is AAA grade for solar panel Woh

U should worry more on the inverter instead
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The panel will be up on the roof for 10 years up so I worry more on the quality of it rather than inverter. If Micro inverter can get 10-12years warranty, easier to claim. Panels very tedious processs to claim warranty so I make sure I get the best. My next target is to test Hi-Mo 7.
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The panel will be up on the roof for 10 years up so I worry more on the quality of it rather than inverter. If Micro inverter can get 10-12years warranty, easier to claim. Panels very tedious processs to claim warranty so I make sure I get the best. My next target is to test Hi-Mo 7.
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Himo7 from longi? I think both longi and Trina also good and rated AAA

My system was upgraded from 565wp Canadian solar to 600wp Trina because contractor out of stock the 565wp so I'm happy
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Why is everyone so sceptical over solar.. am I missing something .
Btw I on nem , this is my 26 months..
I'm using 24 panels and it's really helping me save. Rm 700 bill to rm0-10. However since the past 3 months , I'm paying around rm20-40 each month.
It's not cheap I admit, but wit cc epp 24 months, n it u don't intend to move houses every few years, I do think it's beneficial.

Btw I also gotten myself insurance for solar around300 per year to cover accidental damages to the system.

My only issue right now is, my monthly import is 1100 units and my worry is If I buy an ev, my entire bill will be jacked up due to the surcharge . And charging in the afternoon might not be v feasible for me since I need to drive to office every other day.
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My post might be long, but if ur bill is consistently high, and if u can afford it( u can , if not u won't be racking such high usage each month), den consider solar.. unless it's something I'm really missing..
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QUOTE(dudester @ Oct 3 2023, 10:47 AM)
mind sharing your appliance usage to reach 800rm tnb bill?
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aircond everyday like Hilton Hotel
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QUOTE(nikitaaa @ Feb 25 2024, 04:12 PM)
Why is everyone so sceptical over solar.. am I missing something .
Btw I on nem , this is my  26 months..
I'm using 24 panels and it's really helping me save. Rm 700 bill to rm0-10. However since the past 3 months , I'm paying around rm20-40 each month.
It's not cheap I admit, but wit cc epp 24 months, n it u don't intend to move houses every few years, I do think it's beneficial.

Btw I also gotten myself insurance for solar around300 per year to cover accidental damages to the system.

My only issue right now is, my monthly import is 1100 units and my worry is If I buy an ev, my entire bill will be jacked up due to the surcharge . And charging in the afternoon might not be v feasible for me since I need to drive to office every other day.
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Just charge at the weekend. I believe your system should be about 14kwp. Say u can get average 8kw from 11am to 4pm for Saturday and Sunday, U should get at least 80kwh there and fully charge your EV. 80kwh worth of battery capacity can easily bring u a range of at least 400km, or even over 500km if u have an efficient EV

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Love to hear from NEM 2.0 adopters as it's almost been 5 years since this scheme was introduced on January 1st, 2019. What's the ROI to date? And over the 5-year period, how much have you spent on unforeseen costs like maintenance, malfunctions, and others? This way, most of us can understand the actual case: is solar worth it?"
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Feb 24 2024, 11:40 PM)
Actually, it depends on your Tnb usage. From there you can calculate and see if you feel it’s worth it or not.

Let me give u an example.

You have 25k cash in hand. Ur bill consistently rm350

You don’t need to pay 25k cash to solar installer.

You just need to get a card with credit limit 25k. And swipe it on epp max 60 months. And that will be 416.66 per month at zero interes repayment.

So right now, u still have ur cash with you which u can invest whereeger u want.

And your new bill for Tnb could be rm3.

So u effectively just pay for solar and already paying the minimal amount to Tnb.

So u are utilizing ur credit limit to work for you. And after 5 years the system is yours and still helping u save rm350.

Even if u don’t have credit card and u decide to use the cash, 25k.

Every month, ur 25k system will help u save rm350 ringgit , and one year is about 4200

If I put 25k in bank, I will only have 1250 per annum at 5 percent.  And that interest is not enough to cover 4200 bill thst I have to py Tnb anyway.
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Or u can be like my boss, borrow loan from bank since they are now pushing for the ESG thing.

According to him (can't rmbr the exact amount he told me), says his monthly bill can go around 600. With loan, the installment is about 500. Tnb bill after the solar panel is now 50. So still got 50 in return compare to before solar panel.

But he didn't mention about the maintenance part la.
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Love to hear from NEM 2.0 adopters as it's almost been 5 years since this scheme was introduced on January 1st, 2019. What's the ROI to date? And over the 5-year period, how much have you spent on unforeseen costs like maintenance, malfunctions, and others? This way, most of us can understand the actual case: is solar worth it?"
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NEM 3.0 here, almost 3 years (2y11m), ROI RM26852.02 ... cost RM38k. zero maintenance cost or malfunction or others.
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NEM 3.0 here, almost 3 years (2y11m), ROI RM26852.02 ... cost RM38k. zero maintenance cost or malfunction or others.
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Meaning less than 5 years n after that almost free electricity, very the good. thumbsup.gif
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This NEM and ROI is all based on your system capacity. The larger the system the faster the ROI. In short it is huge savings for the rich but little to non benefit for the poor. I have calculated for those electricity usage less than RM200 there is little to no benefits because you need to pay up front and the ROI takes 7 to 8 years and within these period of time, anything happen to your solar panel or inverter is not covered after the initial 12 months.
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QUOTE(nikitaaa @ Feb 25 2024, 04:12 PM)
Why is everyone so sceptical over solar.. am I missing something .
Btw I on nem , this is my  26 months..
I'm using 24 panels and it's really helping me save. Rm 700 bill to rm0-10. However since the past 3 months , I'm paying around rm20-40 each month.
It's not cheap I admit, but wit cc epp 24 months, n it u don't intend to move houses every few years, I do think it's beneficial.

Btw I also gotten myself insurance for solar around300 per year to cover accidental damages to the system.

My only issue right now is, my monthly import is 1100 units and my worry is If I buy an ev, my entire bill will be jacked up due to the surcharge . And charging in the afternoon might not be v feasible for me since I need to drive to office every other day.
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Possible to topup 2 more panels? then you will be able to offset the extra load of EVs
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Meaning less than 5 years n after that almost free electricity, very the good. thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(cdspins @ Feb 26 2024, 05:52 PM)
This NEM and ROI is all based on your system capacity. The larger the system the faster the ROI. In short it is huge savings for the rich but little to non benefit for the poor. I have calculated for those electricity usage less than RM200 there is little to no benefits because you need to pay up front and the ROI takes 7 to 8 years and within these period of time, anything happen to your solar panel or inverter is not covered after the initial 12 months.
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It’s 10-25 years. Not 12 month.

String inverter is up to 10 years. Micro can go up to 25 years warranty.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Feb 26 2024, 07:01 PM)
It’s 10-25 years. Not 12 month.

String inverter is up to 10 years. Micro can go up to 25 years warranty.
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Depending on capacity. But within NEM, it’s covered. So no question how much.
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What would be the cost if install solar with battery for off-grid and not under NEM. Meaning using solely solar and only would tap into TNB if solar power not enuf.
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What would be the cost if install solar with battery for off-grid and not under NEM. Meaning using solely solar and only would tap into TNB if solar power not enuf.
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Right now unless u are in a remote area and don’t have Tnb, u are better off with solar and NEM.

BATTERY u can consider when after 10 years. Or u have sensitive appliances that need constant power.

The cost will be about 5k for a 5kwh storage. Depending on how much u need. Just for a reference.
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QUOTE(cdspins @ Feb 26 2024, 05:52 PM)
This NEM and ROI is all based on your system capacity. The larger the system the faster the ROI. In short it is huge savings for the rich but little to non benefit for the poor. I have calculated for those electricity usage less than RM200 there is little to no benefits because you need to pay up front and the ROI takes 7 to 8 years and within these period of time, anything happen to your solar panel or inverter is not covered after the initial 12 months.
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