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post Feb 29 2024, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Feb 29 2024, 04:33 PM)
If you says that he has 10 years of fit left, means that he has used the panel for 15 years already. 

And to think that the panel on those days can last 15 years that time, it’s quite impressive already. 

But iinm, u cannot increase the capacity of the kw for fit. They are very strict with that.

Yea. There is a risk of solar company disappear or gulung jor. So it’s best to get from companies with a longer history in the business I guess.
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i think the replacement costs should be quite cheap for that capacity, maybe less than 10k

i remember FIT sell back price to TNB is very high, RM1 plus per kwh, ROI probably less than 2 years
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post Feb 29 2024, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Feb 29 2024, 05:02 PM)
So what will you suggest to be use to evaluate as in your opinion you think that ROI it is not reliable?

For common consumers... the tariff... which can be tracked all through the years is easy to understand and can be use fairly easily to know if one earn or loss from his Solar project. That will be the predicted ROI.

Of course you are not totally wrong as the ROI is calculated based on current and previous tariff which is predicted to constantly increase. But who know suddenly there is a new oid field found and oil price drop dirt cheap and electric tariff follow suit, or some mad scientist suddenly able to produce electricity out of thin air and electricity tarif price drop rendering solar ROI to zero.
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yes manatahu next year zombie apocalypse ROI down the drain
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post Feb 29 2024, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Feb 29 2024, 06:01 PM)
Accroding to google, FiT is 21 years
https://www.seda.gov.my/wp-content/uploads/...iT-Brochure.pdf

But back then PV system is expensive, so despite the RM1.49 FiT, The ROI is expected around 7~8 years
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with this FIT rates the ROI is less than 2 years for today installation costs
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post Feb 29 2024, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(adamw @ Feb 29 2024, 06:01 PM)
Satisfy?
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this is the smallest system i have seen. how much u pay for it ya bro?
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post Feb 29 2024, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(adamw @ Feb 29 2024, 06:24 PM)
Under testing only 3kW. Tuition cost ver high brows.gif
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I was quoted 8 panels for 18k and 12 panels for 23k. Although 8 panel is sufficed for my use, but the per kwp costs too high so i opt for 12 panels system instead. Got spare capacity for future EV.
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post Feb 29 2024, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Feb 29 2024, 07:51 PM)
My area is 4.49 sun hour average for the whole February.
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Great generation. I got about 3.8 hours this month. Last month around 3.2
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post Feb 29 2024, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(adamw @ Feb 29 2024, 09:44 PM)
The hoymiles total 1.8kW(1.932kW) is the limit, extra panels wattage get you more power when weather not so good.
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Supposingly at max sun brightness, the output is kept at 1800W or 1932W for this inverter? Any input power over 1800W will be tapered off?

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post Mar 1 2024, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Mar 1 2024, 12:20 AM)
When a panel is rated at 575w or 600w, this is the STC value.

The best is referring to noct value.

Like ev, one is nedc value , another is wltp value.

So to achieve full panel outpu as per stc value, u need to see certain criteria met.

So clipping is considered minimal with the pairing while the spread is higher during non peak hours. Which is quite optimum.
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For my case, my inverter rated 2000W, clipping at 536W

My panel is rated 600W, but max input to the inverter is 536W due to clipping

But 4 X 536W will get 2144W, more than the inverter 2000W rating, so output of inverter will be clipped again to 2000W or still remained at 2144W?
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post Mar 1 2024, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Mar 1 2024, 03:11 AM)
One is in dc and one is in ac.

That’s  the difference.
The panel output that you see is in dc, while the inverter rating is in ac. That’s why if u check your app, you will notice a slight difference between the overall capacity (big figure) and toto panel figure. Microinverter has about 95% efficiency. Same thing goes to string too.
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QUOTE(adamw @ Mar 1 2024, 10:30 AM)
Most buyers usually will lowball you on that!

Depends on your inverter brand & it's efficiency ratings.

First time I hear somebody saying Gsparx is good actually! Anyway some company in fact will only do 3 phase 10kW up. Labour & their time to do a bigger system not much difference so with market throwing prices it's just not worthwhile for the smaller company to do single phase 4-6kW. Anyway if anyone would like to do it more economically but you might need to spend some time to study the system yourself can asked me.  Like buying your own panels/inverter from China and getting NEM vendor to endorsed it.
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i's using hoymiles 2000W and trina 600W panel x 12

based on the picture, what is the actual generation capacity? seemed like all individual panel figures add up equal to 6.02kW as shown

those figure shown is DC figures? Need to multiply 0.95 conversion efficiency to change to AC?

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post Mar 6 2024, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(Keng @ Mar 6 2024, 10:21 AM)
Anyone tried installing solar panel on awning? Or better still, use solar panel as awning? I've plans to install awning at my parents' driveway, so thinking if its possible to do so. The driveway also gets unblock sunlight throughout the day.
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depends on the house orientation, the sunray to the driveway will be blocked by the main building which is much higher in certain months in a year (if north-south orientation) or certain hours in a day (if east-west orientation).

My house which is pitch roof, has 6 pieces PV facing south and 6 pieces facing north. Those facing south will get more generation now as the sun at the southern hemisphere until equinox on 21/3 then the sun will be slowly going to shine on the northern hemisphere



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post Mar 12 2024, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(Redundant @ Mar 11 2024, 11:10 AM)
I think 22k includes 3 phase already… how would I know how much is enough to cover my monthly usage?
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Maybe you misunderstood 3 phase solar system and 3 phase TNB supply. The price quoted by PG is 3 phase solar system. U need to apply and get TNB to upgrade your house supply to 3 phase and do some internal wiring works, which will costs a few k.

Anyway, u can op not to upgrade and get PG to install 1 pH solar system instead, at the same price since your house currently is on 1 phase. 7kwp DC which is equivalent to 5kw AC is the highest solar capacity a single phase house can install

In the long run, I would suggest u to upgrade to 3 phase as the power capacity is much higher and u are looking for EV in the future also
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post Apr 2 2024, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Apr 2 2024, 02:29 PM)
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Record breaking energy yield last month.
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record breaking instead, so damn hot last month, 7.2kwp system btw

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post May 2 2024, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(smurf2002 @ May 2 2024, 01:58 PM)
I got question on Inverter choice:
- can the mirco or string inverter be used with Battery Mgmt System in the future (after NEM completion) ?
- I was told we need 'hybrid' inverter. How much extra are we going to pay for this ?
- do you guys prepare your solar system to work with BMS in the future? Or modify your system later (eg change inverter type) when the time come ?
Thanks.
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just get a AC coupling battery storage system and hook straight to the DB. Works the same regardless of string or micro invertor

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of course dc coupling is more efficient because less conversion losses, ac couple system will have about 10% round trip losses as per tesla powerwall 2 specs.

but if u get a hybrid invertor now and hope to connect straight to dc battery directly after the 10 years NEM period, high chance is the invertor is almost at the end life already haha as warranty for string invertor is usually 10 years unlike micro-invertor standard warranty is 12 years extendable to 25 years

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post May 2 2024, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ May 2 2024, 02:28 PM)
why not , they just need to split the microinverters into 3 phases.

The only problem is that they cannot balance it perfectly into 3 phases.
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not necessary to balance into 3 phases also as our house appliances also not perfectly distributed into 3 phases, but at least good to have multiple of 3 nos of micro-invertor so input to the DB is more or less balance
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post May 30 2024, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ May 30 2024, 01:58 PM)
12 kwp for single phase...
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5kwac or around 7kwp for single phase
12kwac or around 17kwp for 3 phase
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post Jun 13 2024, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(eagle7 @ Jun 13 2024, 01:01 PM)
In reality,  solar power generation can go up and down every minute, and it will be hard to monitor by regularly checking out the TNB metre.

Here is an example of my solar power generation (blue line) vs. my 2 HP non-inverter AC run at 27 °C (orange line) + other organic usage. Those solar energies not consumed will be exported to TNB unless you turn on all your AC (e.g., rooms, hall 1, hall 2, etc.) and set it to 16 °C. When the sun gets dimmer, switch off the AC one after another to match the actual generation.

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There is zero export device from Hoymiles for their MicroInvert to prevent Solar energy from being exported (e.g. after NEM contract expired)
Zero Export Solution

If you are using a normal grid-powered inverter, if you cut off the TNB supply, the solar system will automatically shut down as well and leaving you black out.

If you are using a hybrid inverter, your battery storage system will warn you of low battery or power before it cut off the power to your house.
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actually why do we need to stop export to TNB after NEM period over? isnt it nice for TNB with free power?
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post Jun 13 2024, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Jun 13 2024, 04:51 PM)
"big company should not profit from rakyat mentality"
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yalah but if i voluntarily export ok kan? or else need to fork out extra money to buy the export limiting device
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post Jun 14 2024, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(eagle7 @ Jun 14 2024, 03:42 PM)
Once the NEM 3.0 contract expires after 10 years, our contract with TNB will go from NEM to Selco (self-consumption).

Under Selco, we are technically not allowed or licensed to export excess energy to the TNB grid; thus, doing so will be considered illegal.

By reading your smart metre's exported energy remotely, they can automatically know whether you comply with the Selco agreement.
From the link below, the off-grid system is more toward remote area without direct access to grid system.
Off-Grid Solar Power System
10 years from now, I believe you already start switching your old car from ICE to EV with half the current price.  So, your saving will continue to carry on in different form.
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If still export what TNB can do about it? Don't want win win mahu Lost Lost?

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post Jul 18 2024, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jul 17 2024, 10:50 PM)
You can access individual panel generation? If yes, you will see that the max u can process is about 7.73kwdc.

And your front page should show 7.47kw.
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Isnt first page showing installed capacity of the PV panel?

My system is 12pc 600Wp with total capacity of 7.2kWp with 3 nos 2000VA microinverter, and first page shown 7.2kW. Highest ever recorded generation is 6.1kW. Max can process according to manual is about 6.5kW.
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post Jul 18 2024, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jul 18 2024, 10:31 AM)
The first page is showing kwac
The panel page the graph is kwdc

That’s why u hahve two different figure at the same time.

Kwdc is always higher than kwac.

His inverter rating is 1800, and for 2000, it’s a different ballgame dy.
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this 7.2kW shown not kWdc?

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