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SurpriseZZZZZ
post Oct 3 2023, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:00 AM)
But u must understand, we don’t need to cough up 47k.
That compound interest is when u have 47k upfront.
We just need to pay monthly as usual for 5 years. Actual Tnb usage. And next five years total free.
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I just calculate what went in and what came out. Simple.

RM 1000 paid as bill = RM 1000 paid as investment, it's the same RM 1000 after all.

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post Oct 3 2023, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(am_i_rulez @ Oct 3 2023, 10:55 AM)
5 years ROI, quite good if there is no additional charges and can run another 5 years.

How about repair and maintenance?
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solar panel - wash once a year. wash panel like go car wash clean your car window

inverter - shelf life 8 to 12 years.

thats it

solar system -> no moving parts. very easy to maintain.

got moving parts (like car) then need a lot of maintenance. cool2.gif
bee88
post Oct 3 2023, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 10:58 AM)
You can renew, buy new set of panel, new installation again.
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Panel no need to buy new one. Inverter also no need. Can use up to 30 years. So it is quite worth it.

Coz even after nem 10 years. Ur system still generate. It can at least cover morning usage without battery. With battery investment which could be another 15k at thst time, c potential to save is even higher.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:04 AM

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If worry this worry that then no neee install solar or adjust meter. Just pay the tnb bill.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:04 AM

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4 months battery still tip top
3 years later maybe efficientcy drop a lot.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:02 AM)
I just calculate what went in and what came out. Simple.

RM 1000 paid as bill = RM 1000 paid as investment, it's the same RM 1000 after all.
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But 47k upfront in Fd generating interest is very different from
47 k thst u accumulate in 5 years time.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:03 AM)
Panel no need to buy new one. Inverter also no need.  Can use up to 30 years.  So it is quite worth it.

Coz even after nem 10 years. Ur system still generate. It can at least cover morning usage without battery.  With battery investment which could be another 15k at thst time, c potential to save is even higher.
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Do you have any viable battery option now?
10kvah can easily be 30,000 currently.
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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:04 AM)
4 months battery still tip top
3 years later maybe efficientcy drop a lot.
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Battery now come with warranty 10 years. 6000 cycles. So it should be a good thing.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:04 AM)
But 47k upfront in Fd generating interest is very different from
47 k thst u accumulate in 5 years time.
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I agreed. However your return will not suddenly increase from 6.7% -> 30% due to different payment schedule. It will be probably 8% maybe?

That's again, no maintenace, no cleaning needed, no efficiency drop? You know it's super hard to have all these right?

Solar panel efficiency drop 2% for the first year and 0.5% - 1% every year after that.

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:04 AM)
Do you have any viable battery option now?
10kvah can easily be 30,000 currently.
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Yes. Right now not viable. But 10 years time. Okay la. Give it some time to mature.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:07 AM

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TS tokok singsong only. Show la tnb bill before and after install solar
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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:05 AM)
I agreed. However your return will not suddenly increase from 6.7% -> 30% due to different payment schedule.
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Oh. If u see carefully, the money u pay to Tnb is a money thst u need to set aside anyway. It won’t help you generate anything except paying to Tnb. But if u buy system, that money still with you, just in a form of a machine thst generate “money” for 20-30 years
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(debonairs91 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:07 AM)
TS tokok singsong only. Show la tnb bill before and after install solar
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My bill this month only rm3. Total usage is 1230kwh

From bill calculator from Tnb, 1230 kWh will cost me rm570++.

There is no bill before and after. After instal, only one bill.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:08 AM)
My bill this month only rm3. Total  usage is 1230kwh

From bill calculator from Tnb, 1230 kWh will cost me rm570++.

There is no bill before and after. After instal, only one bill.
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I got ask you meh? Your mom don't teach you if no people ask just sit down and shush?
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:07 AM)
Oh. If u see carefully, the money u pay to Tnb is a money thst u need to set aside anyway.  It won’t help you generate anything except paying to Tnb. But if u buy system, that money still with you, just in a form of a machine thst generate “money” for 20-30 years
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Yes it will generate for 20-30 years and you can only use it during day time.

Night time is what kill your TNB bill, not day time.

I average 35 kwh per day of usage and day time we hardly hit 10 kwh, at night that's another 20-25kwh of usage, mainly from air conditioning.

So without battery after 10th year, your panel will be covering just max 1/3 of your usage. Not entirely.

I am an avid solar supporter, but it should be backed by solid facts and figures.

There is no announcement for NEM4.0 yet. We do not know what is the terms like yet.

From what we know, NEM1 > NEM2 > NEM3, the terms get worse from one NEM to another.

This post has been edited by SurpriseZZZZZ: Oct 3 2023, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(debonairs91 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:10 AM)
I got ask you meh? Your mom don't teach you if no people ask just sit down and shush?
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U seems to have issues with ts. Go get a life.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(seiferalmercy @ Oct 3 2023, 10:41 AM)
wait till u have to repairs and maintenance.
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ROI extremely fast based on TS high monthly usage
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:10 AM)
Yes it will generate for 20-30 years and you can only use it during day time.

Night time is what kill your TNB bill, not day time.

I average 35 kwh per day of usage and day time we hardly hit 10 kwh, at night that's another 20-25kwh of usage, mainly from air conditioning.

So without battery, your panel will be covering just max 1/3 of your usage. Not entirely.

I am an avid solar supporter, but it should be backed by solid facts and figures.
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My plan is getting a battery after the system. Even if it cost 30k by then, and can help me save 600 ringgit every month. It should be still viable.

But now a bit sked coz battery seems to explode.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Oct 3 2023, 11:10 AM)
ROI extremely fast based on TS high monthly usage
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26 panels = 26 ways to fail, also extremely fast.

You think we all live in an area without dust? haze?
bee88
post Oct 3 2023, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Oct 3 2023, 11:10 AM)
ROI extremely fast based on TS high monthly usage
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Still need at least five years anyway. I think his need more. Coz his 47k for 14kwp system seems quite expensive in my opinion.

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