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post Jun 11 2024, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(mrstohchu @ Jun 11 2024, 11:36 AM)
Thanks for the suggestion.

Asked - installer told me 99% they recommend & install string, only cases like mine (due to my roof shape) they recommend micro. Also, he says only have access to string panel performance. Micro performance only owner have access.
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nice that they don't push one solution... and looks like special case optimized for you... which company is this?

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post Jun 13 2024, 04:09 PM

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generally speaking... all nem inverters are on-grid hybrid inverters

off-grid hybrid inverters cannot export to grid because they lack grid frequency synchronization feature

on-grid hybrid inverters should be configurable for off-grid use...then you can switch off tnb and power the house... but because you don't have batteries, you need to select the loads carefully, otherwise inverter will keep tripping...

micro inverters need the grid and cant do much without it...

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post Jun 13 2024, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(adamw @ Jun 13 2024, 04:22 PM)
Wrong, I was thinking like you too before my group educated me on this. Hybrid inverter can be off/on grid with or without battery. There is no such thing as off grid Hybrid inverter unless it's from alibaba or taobao because they uses the wrong phrase & got me confused as well. A good example is Growatt SPF 6000 ES Plus Home Off Grid 6kw but some sellers put it as Hybrid inverter which was wrong.
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this growatt can export to grid?

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post Jun 13 2024, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(adamw @ Jun 13 2024, 04:28 PM)
Cannot but can used grid power @night if not using battery/low on battery.
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bro... i said "off-grid hybrid inverters cannot export to grid because they lack grid frequency synchronization feature"

of course i know it can import from grid... to charge battery or bypass and power load directly

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post Jun 14 2024, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(adamw @ Jun 13 2024, 06:33 PM)
Bro, there's no such thing as off grid hybrid inverter, I was like you start arguing with my kaki, end up realized I was wrong.  brows.gif
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i noticed some companies make and sell only 2 ranges... off-grid and hybrid... in this case, an off-grid hybrid inverter sure doesn't make sense...

whilst some others make and sell a few ranges, including namesake off-grid hybrid inverter... so who are we to say wrong and no such thing... biggrin.gif

huawei's page on hybrid inverter says theirs can be used for both on-grid and off-grid... so using it per our discussion would it not make it an off-grid hybrid inverter... laugh.gif

so i don't think we are wrong in this sense... just depends on whose definition/specification/functionality that one is referencing...

and i wouldn't get too hung up on the naming... end of the day, need to go through the spec sheets and connection diagrams to make sure it has the required features and rating...

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post Jun 14 2024, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jun 13 2024, 04:55 PM)
yalah but if i voluntarily export ok kan? or else need to fork out extra money to buy the export limiting device
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i would just switch on aircon throughout the day to cool the house down, so at night dont need so much cooling...

anyways, will worry about it 9 yrs down... laugh.gif

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post Jun 14 2024, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(judas @ Jun 14 2024, 07:23 PM)
Ya but eventually with new higher efficiency panels then the old lower efficiency panels should go down in price

But anyway i guess this is where most companies make the money
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one can always wait... and new stuff will always appear... wink.gif

when ready to commit... just get whatever in the market lah... if new design already available, can try nego since 'old stock'...

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post Jun 15 2024, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(judas @ Jun 15 2024, 01:21 PM)
yes... but when can we buy it?

"Longi has broken the world record for solar cell efficiency 16 times since April 2021. It claimed the world’s highest efficiency for silicon cells in November 2022, with a 26.81% efficiency rating for an unspecified heterojunction solar cell."

can we buy the old 2021/22 world record panels?

imho... if ready, just commit and don't look back... roi within 5-6 yrs is really a great project...

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post Jun 16 2024, 10:46 AM

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cool tests...



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post Jun 16 2024, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(lyekit @ Jun 16 2024, 05:46 PM)
More like no second hand value cause it's basically useless once the lifespan is over. The chemical inside is not effective in converting solar into electricity anymore.
In some countries, you can just dispose it like a normal appliances due to the toxicity of solar panel. You need contractor with special permit to remove and dispose it for you and that will cost you. If Malaysia, probably nobody cares but if there is such a law in the future, be prepared to pay extra to have it disposed.
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30-40 year old panels are still working... main reason ppl replace is yield... there is no chemical inside and it is not toxic...

yes... it is a depreciating asset... but after roi... it will continue as cash cow...

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post Jun 16 2024, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(adamw @ Jun 16 2024, 01:00 PM)
If 5-6kW installation now faster ROI with the 4k Solaris rebate!  thumbup.gif
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boss you buy your panels by the pallets directly from china? what is the average ringgit cost per kwp? thanks.

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post Jun 17 2024, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(adamw @ Jun 16 2024, 11:37 PM)
rm0.7 landed based on per pallet, tier 1, grade A guranteed brows.gif
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thanks

QUOTE(lyekit @ Jun 17 2024, 12:11 AM)
In case you're really wondering what's inside that solar panel.. read this:

https://www.americanexperiment.org/solar-pa...aste-literally/

"According to cancer biologist David H. Nguyen, PhD, toxic chemicals in solar panels include cadmium telluride, copper indium selenide, cadmium gallium (di)selenide, copper indium gallium (di)selenide, hexafluoroethane, lead, and polyvinyl fluoride. Silicon tetrachloride, a byproduct of producing crystalline silicon, is also highly toxic."
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i guess toxic here means carcinogenic... solar panel is a semiconductor, similar components used in tv, laptop and handphones... anyways thanks for the link...

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post Jun 17 2024, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(kaizoku30 @ Jun 16 2024, 11:50 PM)
I also just got a pallet, price slightly lower, I guess the price come down drastically over past year. Malaysia seller price abit haram
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nice... what did you get?

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post Jun 19 2024, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(laihuhng @ Jun 19 2024, 12:25 PM)
The max allowable for a single phase is only 7.2kwp. That is equivalent to roughly RM300++ of electricity usage. My current usage is already RM200 with only 1 AC on at night. I'm planning to turn on 3 AC at night in the future after solar installation and another 1 to 2 AC in the morning. I don't think RM300+ can cover the usage. Correct me if I am wrong.
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single phase tnb can power about 10kw i think... should be enough to run 3-4 ac...

i think you want 3 phase to meet seda/nem regulations and install big kwp system... you don't actually need to connect and use the other new 2 phases in this sense...

but if you do want to use all 3 phases and help tnb with load balancing, i think the wiring all needs to be upgraded to the proper color/phase coding, des why the electrician says messy... am not electrician so i could be wrong here...

if you haven't done solar yet, they gonna run wires everywhere also...maybe can plan your 3 phase together...

anyways good luck...

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post Jun 19 2024, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Jun 19 2024, 06:24 PM)
On theory, possible to balance , but in reality, common terrace 2 storey terrace house have all 3 bedrooms on 2nd floor. which means aircond are all up stairs.  If pull 1 phase up, that phase will be loaded to max at night while the other 2 phase is left idle as at night no body down stairs.

Generally certified electrician will not approve such work but then in Malaysia  cool2.gif
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as long as that maxed out phase isnt overloaded then is not an issue... there is no real need to balance/spread your load to all 3 phases... this is not commercial or factory...

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post Jun 19 2024, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(yeongkl @ Jun 19 2024, 03:50 PM)
i am house owner looking at installing Solar system for my house. I plan to go for the max size that SEDA can approved which is 12KAC for inverter connect to grid.

my roof does not have any shading issue as it is metal deck and no tall tree of building surrounding. So i plan to go for String Inverter to have easier maintenance in future.

Also, I plan to go with Huawei inverter and wanted to have a hybrid inverter for future so that may be able to hook up a battery after NEM 10 years contract and also if the price of battery is cheaper at that time. However, Huawei inverter either M2 or M5 series can only support hybrid up to their 10ktl model. 12ktl model is not hybrid inverter. I research online and found out that 12ktl-mb0 is a newer model from Huawei that is hybrid for 12KAC. Should I topup 2k for this hybrid model which is for future (unknown) or good to go with either M2 or M5?

I have some questions to ask and hope all sifus here can give your advise

- for Huawei inverter, does anyone know the different between M2 and M5 model? M2 is stated as high current, what does it mean?
- some quote me with 16.xx kwp which is SEDA recommended 1.35 ratio to inverter, some quote me close to 18 kwp which is the inverter limit and some told me Huawei inverter for 12KAC can support up to 17KWP panel only. I plan to go for 18kwp with Huawei 12KAC inverter. Is it possible?
- Can I go with 6 KAC inverter x 2 with 9 KWP panel each and connect back to my DB to served as 12KAC system? If given a choice, 12KAC single inverter unit vs 6KAC x2 inverters, which one is better option?

So many type of solar panel brands in the market, some quote JA Solar, Trina, Longi, Jinko, Am I safe to say they are similar quality? Is Bi-facial good for residential house which install on roof top? In term of reliability, are "brand" i need to beware of?

Sorry for so many questions and happy to see any feedback from anyone. Thanks thanks.
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why are you going so big... from a 200 bill to a future 1000 bill equivalent... you going to spend all that power? over capacity means losing money...

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post Jun 19 2024, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(yeongkl @ Jun 19 2024, 08:48 PM)
My current average bill is around 700++ and usage around 1300++kw. There is month I use over 1500 and TNB bill shoot up to 9xx to 10xx. Plan to get an EV in next 1 year time so I think no harm to go for max capacity that SEDA approved.
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my bad... i got confused with another forumer i was replying to earlier...

yes this makes perfect sense to go maximum...

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post Jun 20 2024, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(yeongkl @ Jun 19 2024, 03:50 PM)
i am house owner looking at installing Solar system for my house. I plan to go for the max size that SEDA can approved which is 12KAC for inverter connect to grid.

my roof does not have any shading issue as it is metal deck and no tall tree of building surrounding. So i plan to go for String Inverter to have easier maintenance in future.

Also, I plan to go with Huawei inverter and wanted to have a hybrid inverter for future so that may be able to hook up a battery after NEM 10 years contract and also if the price of battery is cheaper at that time. However, Huawei inverter either M2 or M5 series can only support hybrid up to their 10ktl model. 12ktl model is not hybrid inverter. I research online and found out that 12ktl-mb0 is a newer model from Huawei that is hybrid for 12KAC. Should I topup 2k for this hybrid model which is for future (unknown) or good to go with either M2 or M5?

I have some questions to ask and hope all sifus here can give your advise

- for Huawei inverter, does anyone know the different between M2 and M5 model? M2 is stated as high current, what does it mean?
- some quote me with 16.xx kwp which is SEDA recommended 1.35 ratio to inverter, some quote me close to 18 kwp which is the inverter limit and some told me Huawei inverter for 12KAC can support up to 17KWP panel only. I plan to go for 18kwp with Huawei 12KAC inverter. Is it possible?
- Can I go with 6 KAC inverter x 2 with 9 KWP panel each and connect back to my DB to served as 12KAC system? If given a choice, 12KAC single inverter unit vs 6KAC x2 inverters, which one is better option?

So many type of solar panel brands in the market, some quote JA Solar, Trina, Longi, Jinko, Am I safe to say they are similar quality? Is Bi-facial good for residential house which install on roof top? In term of reliability, are "brand" i need to beware of?

Sorry for so many questions and happy to see any feedback from anyone. Thanks thanks.
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find out warranty support/lead time for 12ktl vs 6ktl? i dunno about inverter failure, popularity and spare parts they keep... 2 units will obviously give you some backup...

inverter has max voltage hard limit... as long as not exceeded you can go higher kwp but it is then limited by mppt current... you asked about high current model, perhaps perhaps these have higher mppt current limit... also the closer you run inverter to its max power limit, the higher probability of failure imho because you are pushing all the components to its limit... so if you max max out everything, then a 2x 6ktl may be a better choice...

however our use of solar is not a critical service, so a single inverter is probably good enough...

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post Jul 1 2024, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jul 1 2024, 10:46 AM)
BTW based on my usage how much would I be charged under TNB in West malaysia?
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tnb calc, 1586kwh = rm 998

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post Jul 3 2024, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Jul 1 2024, 11:16 AM)
2.4KW system.

battery and for 2nd floor aircon use.

22k with 2nd hand panel.

really like scam.

maybe he is not in the NEM contractor list but want to earn the money?
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20k for system + 1k transport

assume...
5kw inverter = 5k
48v 100ah battery = 5k
2.4kwp panel = 2k
wiring/manhours/profit = 8k

ok lah i guess... didn't get slaughtered this time...

but whole house rewiring before that was 49k...


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