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Genosyde
post Jan 19 2025, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Jan 19 2025, 10:24 PM)
Hmm... I just try to work on the math problem.
Assuming a 5kw system produce = 450kwh (5kw x 3sun hour x 30 days) while a 7.2kw system produce 648kwh
Assuming your monthly usage is 750kwh (so you want your original 5kw solar power system to offset the higher tier and left you with 300kwh lower tier), in ringgit, your 750kwh cost RM320.25 (bill calculator from https://myelectricitybill.my/bill_calculator_domestic.html).
With a 5kw solar system, your usage will be 300kwh costing RM71
With a 7.2kw solar system, your usage will be 102kwh costing Rm20.20, so difference is Rm50.8 extra savings per month
So you spend additional 3k  for the system

Rm3000/50.8 = 59months = about 5 years

For a 5kw system, your monthly saving is RM249.25. The ROI is obtained after 20000/249.25 = 80.24months = 6.69months
For a 7kw system, your monthly saving is RM300.05. The ROI is obtained after 23000/300.05 = 76.65months = 6.39months (THIS)

So in short, for your system, it is better to get the higher capacity system because
Cost to generate 1kw in 5kw system is 20000/450kw = Rm44.4 per kw
Cost to generate 1kw in 7.2kw system is 23000/648kw = Rm35.49 per kw
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In this particular case, it makes sense to go for the higher kwp because the extra 2.2 kwp is just RM3k. I would say the quote for the 5kwp system is on the high side at 4k per kwp hence the longer roi.
Genosyde
post Jan 20 2025, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(ChenKaiWen @ Jan 20 2025, 06:18 PM)
Anyone else final bill before NEM get charged 8% tax for all?

1-600kwh should be tax free. Only 601 and above get charged 8%.

Meaning I was charged 8% for 1-600kwh as well.
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You only get exempted from the 8% tax if your usage is under 600 kwh AND the bill is for 28 days of usage and above. You probably did not meet the second criterion.

However, you also benefited from the fact that your partial bill resets the tariff. You probably did not hit the higher end tariff rates because your bill is for less than a month. So you don't actually lose out if at all.

This post has been edited by Genosyde: Jan 20 2025, 06:42 PM
Genosyde
post Jan 20 2025, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jan 20 2025, 06:40 PM)
I was quoted rm16k for 4.92kwp n 22k for 7.38kwp, a diff of 6k.
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If your average bill is above RM400, go for the 7kWp system. If it's lower, go for the 5kwp.
Genosyde
post Jan 21 2025, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jan 21 2025, 10:08 AM)
Btw 270 to 330.
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Assuming that you don't have shading issue and your panels are arranged in just 2 groups, 4.9 kWp should save you about RM250 a month which is just nice for your current usage.

7 kWp should save you in the range of RM350 to RM400 which is more than what you need. Unless you plan to buy an EV in the near future or just blast your AC 24x7, it is not worth it.
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post Jan 22 2025, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Jan 22 2025, 10:45 AM)
So, after some comparison and my usage,

I went for 5.94kwp around 17k (trinasolar 0.495kw , solis 5kwAc, string)
so far the vendor response is very good and supportive.

ETA installation, early march
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What's your average bill like?
Genosyde
post Jan 24 2025, 09:37 AM

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https://www.pv-magazine.com/2025/01/20/the-...umulation-zone/

This is an interesting article that studies the correlation between solar panel angles, the effects of dust accumulation, rain fall, and power generation.

The experiment was conducted in a desert environment so certain parameters like dust storms do not apply to us but the effect of how rain fall helps clean and restore the efficiency is rather interesting. Solar detractors and those who are unsure about the feasibility of solar on this forum often cite degradation and the cost of cleaning panels as negatives. As can be seen from the detailed study (refer to link within the article), even after 6 months without rain and severe dust accumulation on the panels, their performance was almost restored after just 2 rainy days.

What is also interesting is that 25 degrees seems to be the optimal angle. 0 degrees is the worst when it comes to degradation due to dust accumulation. You need the angle to help rain water wash away the dirt.

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post Feb 3 2025, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(ceras @ Feb 3 2025, 01:09 PM)
Hope some chinese dude comes up with a low cost breakthrough for home solar ala deepseek for the sake of humanity.  right now it is still too expensive to go green.
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Thanks to Chinese solar panel manufacturers, panels are already a fraction of the price they used to be as recent as 5 years ago.
Genosyde
post Feb 14 2025, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Feb 14 2025, 02:19 PM)
hi, anyone add on meter to track how much solar energy go out to TNB?
for huawei inverter, anyone done it ?
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TNB bill will show total exported to the grid. To roughly determine if the numbers reported by TNB bill and the app are correct, just total up your usage for the entire month. If your usage pattern has not changed since you installed solar, it should be roughly the same as your previous months.
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post Mar 1 2025, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(gogocan @ Mar 1 2025, 12:57 AM)
With so many advantages over string..and negligible price difference..why many still choose string over micro inverter?
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If you have a simple roof layout and not that many panels, I would personally pick string over micro. While both have their pros and cons, the one thing that bothers me about micro is that it gets installed right under the panel subject to the intense heat. And you know what they say about electronics and heat. Of course you have the warranty to fall back on but still... That's just me, of course.
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post Mar 1 2025, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 28 2025, 03:47 PM)
I still don't understand why can't we put solar panels ground level. I have enough space for it
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NEM doesn't allow it and I think it's for safety reasons. After all, these are high voltage equipment that can be pretty dangerous.
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post Apr 2 2025, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(Scissorshand @ Apr 2 2025, 03:39 PM)
Guys..
My billing cycle supposedly start on 1st mthly…
Since I activated on 2/3, I’ve yet to receive my Mar statement per app. Kindly adv if this is norm for those whom just moved solar ..
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It takes a few days after the new month has started for TNB to come up with the previous month's bill.
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post Apr 2 2025, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(adurian @ Apr 2 2025, 04:00 PM)
just wondering does dc battery help can prevent clipping as the excess energy generated is stored? does huawei inverter has that function?
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Battery does not help with clipping. To prevent clipping you need to match your panel capacity with your inverter size (i.e. 5 kwp panels with 5 kw inverter). It's normal to have clipping as most installations will have a solar panel to inverter ratio of 1.2 to 1.33. This is for maximizing output during off peak hours while minimizing costs.
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post Apr 2 2025, 10:05 PM

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Solar self consumption is total generated minus what you exported, hence 1197 - 711 = 486 kWh.

Total energy use is total exported plus total imported, hence 486 + 950 = 1436 kWh.

IIANM, the NEM balance is used to just offset the balance units that you are supposed to pay.

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post Apr 3 2025, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(adurian @ Apr 3 2025, 12:02 AM)
Thanks for sharing your insights. I read somewhere dc battery can receive the excess energy that the inverter can’t convert to ac.
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Interesting. I never thought of that. I did some reading and this is what I found out.

You are right. If you have a hybrid string inverter coupled with a DC battery, the battery can be used to store excess energy because both the panels and the battery use DC power. Hence, no energy loss i.e. no clipping.

However, if you have a micro inverter system, the DC to AC conversion is done at the panel itself and therefore, the clipping still happens. Usually, you have an AC coupled battery system that converts the energy back to DC before storing in the battery.

Thanks for asking the question. I learned something new today.

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post Apr 3 2025, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Apr 3 2025, 04:25 PM)
I believe the clipping that you mentioned is inverter reaching the max AC power output

for example, your solar panel peak output is 6.5kwp, but inverter only can support AC output 5.5kw, at noon with clear sky, DC input power could reach 6kw, but inverter with 98% efficiency is clipped at 5.5kw ac output only. this is clipping

in this case, clipping is nothing to do with battery system. battery system is for system does not want to export energy to TNB, but want to store excess energy for night use.
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That's what I thought at first but after doing some research, this is not the case. You are right that the clipping is due to inverter limit but with a hybrid inverter and a DC battery, no DC to AC conversion is necessary hence the DC power from the panels go directly to the battery, bypassing the inverter function and its 5.5kw limit.
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post Apr 3 2025, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Apr 3 2025, 04:20 PM)
what battery do Huawei inverter support?
worth all the afford for that extra KWH?
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No, not worth adding the battery just to gain the extra kwh but something to think about in 10 years when your NEM expires. If you replace with a hybrid inverter with DC battery, you gain those extra kwh. If you go for an AC coupled battery, no extra kwh. Those extra kwh might make up for the loss in panel efficiency.
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post Apr 4 2025, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(nikrizal @ Apr 4 2025, 01:16 PM)
High guys, for the last two months, one of the micro inverters (PG Solar) experienced auto shutdowns. pg said it’s because of voltage surge (more than 270V). They refer TNB which came two days ago and they reaffirmed that the grid voltage is normal (238V). This auto shutdowns happened in the afternoon during peak Solar generation. TNB said it’s now for PG to solve the issue.
Anyone ever experienced similar issue? Tq
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I had a similar problem but with a string inverter. It shuts down and restarts every time it peaks. The app recorded the errors as over voltage. I reported to the installer and they adjusted the inverter parameters. The problem went away after that.
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post Apr 5 2025, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Apr 5 2025, 12:28 AM)
no, when high voltage, it keep restarting and shutdown, the whole day solar only produce less than 10kwh on sunny day, in normal time, i can get more than 20kwh per day.
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Maybe not as high as 50% for me but yes, the constant restarting did drastically reduce the output.
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post May 24 2025, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ May 5 2025, 10:47 PM)
in reality when solar panel go into grid, no people can different the current is from solar or other power generation.

when we send solar power to TNB, TMB will record it as green energy,

when they sell energy to commercial, they can sell higher price from the recorded green energy from us.

something like green energy certificate.

so company don't generate any green energy, but buying green energy certificate to proof they using green energy.
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Yup. It's all the same when it goes in the grid. So, TNB can sell you "green" energy even at night when none of the solar panels are working. It's all marketing and just as dubious as carbon credits if you ask me.
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post May 24 2025, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ May 5 2025, 02:14 PM)
TNB is your big battery, why do you need battery? you only may need to consider battery after 10 years

if you want to have electricity during power trip, you will also need to make sure inverter is hybrid and wont shutdown if grid no longer supply power.
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You don't need a hybrid inverter to install batteries. Hybrid inverters allow you to connect to DC batteries directly because they can simultaneously convert the DC power to AC for powering your home (or upload to grid) and charge a connected DC battery (without converting to AC).

If you don't have a hybrid inverter or using micro inverters, you can install an AC coupled battery system. In this system, power from your panels is always converted to AC. You then need to convert the AC power back to DC to charge the battery using a battery inverter. This means power is converted twice (DC to AC and back to DC) before it goes into the battery and this introduces more power loss due to conversion inefficiencies.

Both systems have failsafe to ensure there is no power uploaded to the grid during power outages.

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