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post Oct 3 2023, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:38 AM)
Hi k/

I installed solar panel for my house 4 months ago. Total cost RM47000 for 26 pcs. Don't know the detail much cos not important to me. All i know is they write Jinko solar 550wp.

So far my average bill from RM800+ reduce to RM40-50. That's a whooping 20% return p.a

Isn't it too good to be true investment? What am i missing? why still not many ppl installing the solar since potential return so damn 7 good. Even EPF give guaranteed 5% only. FD is even lower.
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You need 5 years to break even. Imo, it should not be considered as ROI during the first 5 years. Don't forget to add the opportunity cost of the RM47000 you coughed up.

After this, baru can consider ROI.
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QUOTE(smsid @ Oct 3 2023, 10:43 AM)
Good job ts, save money and environment.

Anyway, how many people are in your house till it can reach rm800 bill?
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QUOTE(dudester @ Oct 3 2023, 10:47 AM)
mind sharing your appliance usage to reach 800rm tnb bill?
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me wife and 4 ekor anak.

Average 3 biji aircon every night until morning. +1 study room aircon if star aligned and i get to play game. Even my friends and family shocked about my rm800+ bill. I also dunno why so high really.

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post Oct 3 2023, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:49 AM)
Got warranty 12 years for product problem. 3 years for installation problem. Cleaning 5 years once maybe they say about RM1000.
Your point a bit extreme but i get it. But currently in Malaysia landed property is the majority still.
I also dunno how become so high. Semi-D only. 2 biji aircon average per night.
But ROI 5 years. By logic based on warranty given it should be problem free for 10 years at least.
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Servicing need to pay iinm.

Then again as ppl mentioned not everyone's monthly electric bill is RM800

Also if u put 47K into FD @ 3% for 5 years u can get interest worth 7K.
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:53 AM)
me wife and 4 ekor anak.

Average 3 biji aircon every night until morning. +1 study room aircon if star aligned and i get to play game. Even my friends and family shocked about my rm800+ bill. I also dunno why so high really.
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My bro house paid 3K for ppl go fix the meter every month bill just RM300.
Can ON aircond whole day
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:55 AM

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nice ts, the nicest thing about solar is way less guilt turning on airconds because it's way way more effectice than EVs in reducing carbon emissions.
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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 10:52 AM)
Do you know the NEM only valid for 10 years? Your "return" has an expiry date. Year 1-5 trying to recover, then Year 6-10 you earn some. Year 11 onwards, you are on your own.
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Yeah i know. But high chance government extend it for another 5 years at least. Even if they don't the 5 years after projected ROI i can reinvest to get battery. Still no rugi and potentially untung.

All in all even if government remove NEM i still looking at figure close to FD.
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:55 AM

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5 years ROI, quite good if there is no additional charges and can run another 5 years.

How about repair and maintenance?
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:55 AM

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My bill monthly around 70-80. Then mau pasang kena reject. 400 above only can consider. Aduh.
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 10:54 AM)
My bro house paid 3K for ppl go fix the meter every month bill just RM300.
Can ON aircond whole day
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My friend just consider change from this to solar.

He said not worth the effort to adjust meter. Everyday live in fear.
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:56 AM

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that's very good returns.
recently i installed too. 11.5Kw. 47K MYR in total. but averaging only around 600-700MYR per month. my bills decrease from 1.7k to 1k on average now.
as wife is petronas employee, our warranty is extended to 25 years on panel, inverter, and wiring.
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 10:52 AM)
Do you know the NEM only valid for 10 years? Your "return" has an expiry date. Year 1-5 trying to recover, then Year 6-10 you earn some. Year 11 onwards, you are on your own.
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after 10 y cannot renew?
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:56 AM

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my tnb bill average 40 ringgit only

if i install this, would it generate money instead?
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:57 AM

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Saving = RM 750

RM 750 x 12 months x 10 years = RM 90,000 (consider your panel doesn't degrade at all, no maintenance needed at all)

RM 90,000 / RM 47,000 = 191% for 10 years.

Let's calculate the CAGR

1.91^(1/10) = 1.067

Meaning 6.7% Compounded Annual Growth Rate (Again, with no solar panel losses, no maintenance needed, no solar seasonal pattern). That's the absolute max you can get for 10 years.

After 10th year, you needed battery to make it viable.


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post Oct 3 2023, 10:58 AM

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You can renew, buy new set of panel, new installation again.

QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Oct 3 2023, 10:56 AM)
after 10 y cannot renew?
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:58 AM

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For my case, I calculated very detail and found out that 6 months usage, I already save about rm3800 worth of electricity.

So yes. If got extra money and Tnb bill high, migh as well consider solar.

Money put in Fd can’t even help u cover your monthly electricity bill.

For my case, there is no upfront payment. Meaning no need to pay lump sum. So even more worth it.


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post Oct 3 2023, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 10:54 AM)
My bro house paid 3K for ppl go fix the meter every month bill just RM300.
Can ON aircond whole day
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you seem proud of your bro fixing meter?
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:00 AM

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Definitely worth if you can afford it. Problem is most people cannot afford it.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 10:57 AM)
Saving = RM 750

RM 750 x 12 months x 10 years = RM 90,000 (consider your panel doesn't degrade at all, no maintenance needed at all)

RM 90,000 / RM 47,000 = 191% for 10 years.

Let's calculate the CAGR

1.91^(1/10) = 1.067

Meaning 6.7% Compounded Annual Growth Rate (Again, with no solar panel losses, no maintenance needed, no solar seasonal pattern). That's the absolute max you can get for 10 years.

After 10th year, you needed battery to make it viable.
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But u must understand, we don’t need to cough up 47k.
That compound interest is when u have 47k upfront.


We just need to pay monthly as usual for 5 years. Actual Tnb usage. And next five years total free.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(wilsonjay @ Oct 3 2023, 10:56 AM)
my tnb bill average 40 ringgit only

if i install this, would it generate money instead?
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Yes. On paper. But cannot cash out. Hahah.

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