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post Jan 15 2025, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(numbertwo @ Jan 15 2025, 10:24 AM)
Jus trying to understand more, so based on the data generated how did the system manage to generate > 6kWp ?  Mine also 3 units of HMS-2000 which technically only produce 2000W each.  Data below was captured via Hoymiles app.
                       
Maximum W from CSV
2024-10 6120  6.12 kW 
2024-11 6068        6.068 kW
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2k is rated design spec...

usually can go a bit higher or lower... design tolerance

for non critical items ±10% is not unusual...

like our ac power.... 210 - 250v...

some equipment is 220v others 230v... etc.

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post Jan 15 2025, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ Jan 15 2025, 10:38 AM)
ya ..ya..most customer want to save money ,dont care the spec , installation

delivery saving but not optimum value ..

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your car... say 2L engine... average speed you drive 70-90 kmh... one can also say is not optimum value because you are not driving it to full potential... 180 kmh... biggrin.gif

system sold here are all quite optimum value already imho... this is the nature of solar and especially for our climate... blame the sun because it keeps going up and down... hahaha...

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post Jan 16 2025, 06:42 AM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Jan 16 2025, 12:52 AM)
No sure why option 2 is there. Usually common practice will not have an inverter larger than panel. Probably there have too many units of it.
If it is for me, I will just choose the cheapest which is option 1. Cause no matter what brand of inverter, the warranty is the same, the efficiency is also about the same. so the cheapest will allow the fastest ROI.
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there is technical merit... peak efficiency is around 40-60% of capacity... this 2 is better than 3 in production

or carry less stock... instead of say 6, 8, 10, 12, 15 etc... just 6, 10, 15….

or excess old stock.... or typo.... biggrin.gif

anyways good catch....
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post Jan 16 2025, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(tritritri @ Jan 16 2025, 09:25 AM)
Maybe I can add in more info:

Option 1: 8.6kwp solar panel  (Longi 610W) + 8ktl SAJ inverter ~RM20k
Option 2: 8.6kwp solar panel (Trina 615W) + 10ktl Solis inverter ~RM25k
Option 3: 8.6kwp solar panel (Trina 615W) + 8ktl Solis inverter ~RM24k

Option 2 was optional to have a bigger inverter, but from all comments seem it doesn't make sense.

So boils down to Option 1 & Option 3 now. I think panel wise both are very similar so nothing much to compare of..? My decision choice now ultimately depends on the inverter brand.

I saw that on the market most companies offer Solis, Huawei, Growatt inverter, but not so much for SAJ inverter. Wondering if there's any catch with SAJ inverter..?
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actually depends on you lor... say in future you buy ev or add sauna and jacuzzi or retire and whole day aircon... then option 2 very easy to add a few more panels to expand... otherwise no point...

who are the vendors?



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post Jan 17 2025, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(Minolta @ Jan 16 2025, 08:38 PM)
1KW worth of panel cost how much?

Huawei 8kW inverter is rm6.6k

Huawei 12kW inverter is rm7.7k.

Source : https://eezee.com.my/brands/huawei?menuOpti...iesTotalCount=6

Seems cheaper to overspec inverter.
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1-2 days ago... someone say wasted 1.4 kwp bcoz clipping...

if oversize and say can recover 2 hrs per day, 2.8 kwh * 22 sen/kwh = 0.616...

1100 / 0.616 / 365 = 4.9 yrs to roi...

current bro clipping only 0.6 kwp... so > 10 yrs to roi

extra panel... 0.61 kwp * 1.6 sunhr... also > 10 yrs roi

so depends on how bad clipping n oversizing cost... most cases is bad for roi...

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post Jan 17 2025, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jan 17 2025, 07:51 AM)
Overly optimistic. Most of the time you got nothing to clip
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because most ppl roof not flat... panels not pointing to the sun at 1pm...

depending on roof set up... peak power generation is spread or skewed to the left and/or right side of the bell curve already... clipping will take place but you won't get to see a nice flat top like in the pictures...

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post Jan 17 2025, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jan 17 2025, 10:25 AM)
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Regardless of the roof profile, malaysia weather is cloudy most of the time and very rarely u will have 100% sunny in the day to have a perfect bell shape

FYI, mine is 6kwac microinverter 7.2kwp panel, even if 5kwac microinverter used, the reduction in generation maybe only 5% the most
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am not disagreeing with you bro...

my calc shows technical potential for best outcome... and even that doesnt help with roi... that's the msg if you didn't realize

ive already mentioned before... most sizing here is quite optimal already... no point oversizing panel or inverter unless you have plans to expand 1-2 yrs down the road...

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post Jan 19 2025, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Jan 19 2025, 09:36 PM)
Based on the contract with SEDA, we are not allowed to add additional panel to our solar panel system.
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cannot apply for additional power from seda?

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post Jan 21 2025, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Jan 21 2025, 02:40 AM)
Not allow to add without SEDA approval, but if reapply for upgrade is a different story.

But if you ask contractor to do for you, it won't be cheap. And if you are just adding additional panel, not much contractor will want to do it. cause less profit....  so they will either charged high labour cost or turn you down. In short it is not so worth it. (this is case of buying bigger inverter waiting to install more panels later)

But if like your usage is too high, and after factoring all additional cost, upgrading is still worth for you... then be it lo... it all depends to your kwh tariff tier and the upgrade price.
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i have project background and very familiar with expansion stuff... wink.gif

one must decide upfront, work out the details to choose the system... otherwise it is going to be cost prohibitive...

also depending on the additional capacity required... micro inverter system can be especially bad in this respect...

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post Jan 23 2025, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(numbertwo @ Jan 23 2025, 09:59 AM)
if you believe you have potential to increase higher usage in future and your roof has limited spaces, try to get some quotations who can offer highest capacity Panels so that you can leave some spaces on your roof for future expansion.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jan 23 2025, 10:48 AM)
I am not sure if the price he gets, but doesn’t seem like a good deal. Coz the panel looks like old stock to me.  Panel size slightly smaller too, unless he has a very limited roof, then better go for bigger wattage. Bigger panel in term  of height. Like this he can reduce the number of panels, like maybe 10pcs with a bigger capacity and perhaps there is some more room for future exploration if needed.
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definitely can go higher power and less panels... surface area will be marginally less but imho more or less the same... you not gonna get more free space with small set up...

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post Jan 23 2025, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(Khangwoi @ Jan 22 2025, 05:47 AM)
If you are giving an option to choose Hoymiles HMS 2000 vs Hoymiles MIT 5000, which inverter you will go with?
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i will pick mit5000... on spec... more efficient, faster startup, higher mppt current handling...

but 1 unit vs 2 or 3 hms2000/1000... if kaput no generation until replaced...

but if i unit mit5000... i'd probably consider string inverter also...

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post Jan 23 2025, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jan 23 2025, 12:04 PM)
Actually it’s possible to free up space for two panels coz bigger wattage usually translate to longer panels. So we are Looking at about 20cm longer per panel. And with the correct placement, they can free up two panels worth of space.  In a bigger setup, probably more.  Coz usually a roof can take about two row of panels. So there is some space gap for the length to grow but to grow sideways is not possible.
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yes free up 2 panels in total... so looking at the widths from trina... assume mounted "vertically"...

big...... 1303mm x 5 = 6515mm
small... 1134mm x 6 = 6804mm

you free up 289 mm... about 1/4 of a panel width... smile.gif

his house/roof needs to be about 28 ft wide to put in another panel...

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post Jan 23 2025, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jan 23 2025, 12:01 PM)
Coz they handle two panels string together with one mppt. Hence higher current is very normal.
Yes. If one unit mit5000, I see lose more pro of a micro should offer.
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actually no... panel in series you need higher voltage... current remains the same... most panel output and inverter input, be it string or micro, is designed around 15A...

this mit5000 at 20A gives it more flexibility and tolerance...

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post Jan 23 2025, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jan 23 2025, 06:27 PM)
I don’t thjnk y can mix. Three phase and single phase is not possible at the trunking level iinm
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no problem sir... smile.gif

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post Jan 23 2025, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(Khangwoi @ Jan 23 2025, 03:26 PM)
I am going to install 18 panels, which mean I will have 2 MIT 5000 and 1 hms 1000, in this case which choice is better? all hms or mixture of hms and MIT?
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what company ?

i would go for mit... for now hms got more deployment and will have more spare parts... if they continue to push mit then all is fine i guess...

the hms will be lonely i guess... hahaha

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post Jan 24 2025, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(Genosyde @ Jan 24 2025, 09:37 AM)
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2025/01/20/the-...umulation-zone/

This is an interesting article that studies the correlation between solar panel angles, the effects of dust accumulation, rain fall, and power generation.

The experiment was conducted in a desert environment so certain parameters like dust storms do not apply to us but the effect of how rain fall helps clean and restore the efficiency is rather interesting. Solar detractors and those who are unsure about the feasibility of solar on this forum often cite degradation and the cost of cleaning panels as negatives. As can be seen from the detailed study (refer to link within the article), even after 6 months without rain and severe dust accumulation on the panels, their performance was almost restored after just 2 rainy days.

What is also interesting is that 25 degrees seems to be the optimal angle. 0 degrees is the worst when it comes to degradation due to dust accumulation. You need the angle to help rain water wash away the dirt.
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in klang valley... we get lots of oily haze/dust from diesel, wok hei, deep fry, bbq, open burning, etc... they accumulate and hard to washed away with rain... need manual cleaning eventually...

other parts of the country not so bad...

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post Jan 25 2025, 06:58 PM

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anyone got quotation or system from airnergy solar?

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post Feb 10 2025, 06:54 PM

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i won't plan 10 yrs down the road... most likely still got nem...

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post Feb 13 2025, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(RiriRuruRara @ Feb 13 2025, 02:20 PM)
Current bill just under rm400, don’t know if in the long run I will untung,break even or rugi if install it??? lol
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as long as next 4-5 yrs usage about same... breakeven liao

otherwise adjust system sizing for the future lor... example, going to retire soon stay at home more, sure bill will go up... and kid grown up gonna leave home bill sure will come down... so over or under size it a bit for own situation

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post Feb 14 2025, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Feb 14 2025, 10:13 PM)
Panel 4.64kWp can generate how much kWh per day ?
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Depends how it is pointed and inverter size and where located...


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