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Investment RHB funds decline in price after written off?, RHB funds decline in price after written

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xander2k8
post Sep 19 2023, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Sep 19 2023, 06:56 PM)
You are required to read and understand the prospectus before completing the application form. Also, you maybe required to complete a suitability assessment to indicate your risk tolerance. It would be quite tough for anyone to paddle backwards. As with any investment, there is always a risk. The downside is because the fund is diversified, the fund many have retained some value instead of suffering a complete write-off.

Some of the things I can think of on top of my head is...you may want to ask the fund manager:

1. why was the Sukuk chosen;
2. Why wasn't it disposed off when the Sukuk was re-rated;
3. why was such a large concentration of the sukuk opted?; and
4. Also, whether the limits and restrictions had been complied with.

Ask them for an explanation on this.

Any claim for compensation generally is a very tall order unless you can show that they have deviated from the prospectus.
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Sorry to say whatever explanation given will likely be big BS as you should investigate who is the LA/FA for facilitating this issue of the sukuk in the 1st place πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ which is why they cannot disclose the issue itself which is why they are HODL it until to zeroise the value

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post Sep 19 2023, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Sep 19 2023, 07:17 PM)
OIC...  doh.gif
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So no need to waste time and accept fate while filing complaint to SIDREC and pray that they will take action instead πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ but chances are close to 0 because of the LA/FA would have sorted out this with RHBAM before they invested into it and remember money out left hand and still goes back in the right hand
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post Sep 20 2023, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Sep 19 2023, 08:20 PM)
It's a unit trust fund. Why do I want to know who the LA/FA for facilitating the issue. rclxub.gif  Even if i knew who they are, I don't have a contract with them, only with the trustee, in which the legal interest of the unit holder is vested with and the fund manager engaged to managed the fund based on the prospectus.

If you have read, both newspaper, media, publicly available info and the annual report, you would have known why the company defaulted. mega_shok.gif

Where the asset is incapable of being valued, the operations will zeroized it. mega_shok.gif
Whatever it is waste time or not, it is the right of anyone to exhaust all avenues. If someone files a claim and got back something, are you going to be liable to compensate TS cause he/ she took your advise? doh.gif 

As I have mentioned, the fund needs to be managed in accordance with the limits and restrictions contained in the prospectus, to mitigate concentration risk. Depending on which fund TS invested in, especially those which suffered a huge drop and material exposure, its worth having a look at.  doh.gif
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I think you don’t understand UT in the 1st place πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ doesn’t matter what it says in the deed as you do not and will not have to power to change the deed in the 1st place πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ hence which is why it is called UT in the 1st place as when the second you invested in them you have already given your trust to them for the manage the units itself πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ and you will and will not have say in the deed in itself πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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post Sep 22 2023, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Sep 22 2023, 10:30 AM)
VERY GOOD POINTS

question then as you have pointed out... when did they know... what did they do...

this like the kweb saga all over again...
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Way different from KWEB saga πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ as the KWEB is totally out of the fund manager hands unlike these which are still in their palm
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post Sep 24 2023, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Sep 22 2023, 02:24 PM)
kweb - stashaway fund managers sucks... keep buying when kweb is dying... finally sold at bottom...

rhbxxx - rhb fund managers sucks... dunno what they are doing... finally write off...

to me same... managers all sucks... wink.gif
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Different πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ SA is buying and riding on KWEB during the pandemic and they would have make money πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ but because of greed and hodling if they would have sell it at the peak during Feb 2021

RHB is the case where left hand issuance as LA/FA while getting the RHBAM to hold bag on the right hand πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ so it is 2 different cases whereby RHB is internally cycle from issuance to holding to zeroise without any outside holdings or tradings
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post Sep 24 2023, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(zebras @ Sep 22 2023, 10:42 PM)
I think it is unfair to other good fund managers just because this fund did badly, it is like ask others not to invest in stock just because serba did badly

there are many other funds that outperformed benchmark, and it is easier to invest in some markets through funds such as ASEAN and Japan.

I invested in a Japan fund that gave me more than 50% in 1+ year.

Eastspring Investments Japan Dynamic MY Fund - MYR Hedged

https://www.fsmone.com.my/funds/tools/facts...t?fund=MYESJDMY
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1stly you cannot compare as this would feeder fund not directly managed fund by the fund manager itself πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ plus only the past year most Japanese have been performing but not in the past 40 years since the late 80s πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ so don’t compare that way as 1 year is just anamoly for the past year but not performing this year
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post Oct 6 2023, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(zebras @ Oct 6 2023, 12:10 AM)
Very Bursa heavy funds but so far past few 3 years been performing but on longer term for 10 years not that promising

You need to do your research whose is the fund manager executing its strategies

 

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