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TSaichi
post Sep 16 2023, 08:34 PM, updated 3y ago

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Serching for decent platform to trade US Futures, NYMEX,CME,CBOT

the problem is method of funding. either too expensive or simply cannot be done internationally.

NinjaTrader: only accept US Banking institutions, cannot use wise except for wire and transfer fee is $15
Tradovate: excatly same as ninjatrader
AMP: slow, cannot use wise direct transer
IBKR: too much margin requirements.
xander2k8
post Sep 17 2023, 04:39 PM

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Futures are SI 🤦‍♀️ hence margins are requirements are high is to safeguard yourself and the regulated broker

No point looking around because most who allowed it will be unlikely unregulated and not able to withdraw when you want to
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post Sep 17 2023, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(aichi @ Sep 16 2023, 08:34 PM)
Serching for decent platform to trade US Futures, NYMEX,CME,CBOT

the problem is method of funding. either too expensive or simply cannot be done internationally.

NinjaTrader: only accept US Banking institutions, cannot use wise except for wire and transfer fee is $15
Tradovate: excatly same as ninjatrader
AMP: slow, cannot use wise direct transer
IBKR: too much margin requirements.
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this statement of your doesnt make sense.

IBKR are industry standard.

a real broker requires real "margin requirements".

thats how you difference shape between real broker than sweatshop broker
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post Sep 17 2023, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Sep 17 2023, 04:45 PM)
this statement of your doesnt make sense.

IBKR  are industry standard.

a real broker requires real "margin requirements".

thats how you difference shape  between real broker than sweatshop broker
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IBKR is high margin 🤦‍♀️ because it allows true SI not like those sweatshop broker which when it comes to the withdrawal then money is stuck and gone

Ramjade
post Sep 17 2023, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(aichi @ Sep 16 2023, 08:34 PM)
Serching for decent platform to trade US Futures, NYMEX,CME,CBOT

the problem is method of funding. either too expensive or simply cannot be done internationally.

NinjaTrader: only accept US Banking institutions, cannot use wise except for wire and transfer fee is $15
Tradovate: excatly same as ninjatrader
AMP: slow, cannot use wise direct transer
IBKR: too much margin requirements.
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Try the following Not sure if it match what you want. Tastytrade, TD, All reputable US brokerage.

Alternatively collect enough money first then open IBKR. Don't rush.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Sep 17 2023, 04:50 PM
taurean
post Sep 19 2023, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(aichi @ Sep 16 2023, 08:34 PM)
Serching for decent platform to trade US Futures, NYMEX,CME,CBOT

the problem is method of funding. either too expensive or simply cannot be done internationally.

NinjaTrader: only accept US Banking institutions, cannot use wise except for wire and transfer fee is $15
Tradovate: excatly same as ninjatrader
AMP: slow, cannot use wise direct transer
IBKR: too much margin requirements.
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start with KLSE, or demo account first before trading using real money.

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post Sep 19 2023, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(aichi @ Sep 16 2023, 08:34 PM)
Serching for decent platform to trade US Futures, NYMEX,CME,CBOT

the problem is method of funding. either too expensive or simply cannot be done internationally.

NinjaTrader: only accept US Banking institutions, cannot use wise except for wire and transfer fee is $15
Tradovate: excatly same as ninjatrader
AMP: slow, cannot use wise direct transer
IBKR: too much margin requirements.
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You want brokers with margin requirements. It is very important to have brokers that do not allow their clients crazy leverage. Else the brokers will be at high risk of bankruptcy.
aurora97
post Sep 20 2023, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(aichi @ Sep 16 2023, 08:34 PM)
Serching for decent platform to trade US Futures, NYMEX,CME,CBOT

the problem is method of funding. either too expensive or simply cannot be done internationally.

NinjaTrader: only accept US Banking institutions, cannot use wise except for wire and transfer fee is $15
Tradovate: excatly same as ninjatrader
AMP: slow, cannot use wise direct transer
IBKR: too much margin requirements.
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the margin mentioned here is called the initial margin requirement. There is a minimum initial margin requirement imposed by the Clearing house. However, that doesn't preclude the futures broking house requiring a higher initial margin requirement.

I would reckon unsecured (no collateral) and online futures brokers as you have mentioned would charge sky high initial margin requirements because they don't want to encounter a margin call inability to meet margin maintenance requirement correction and you can't pay up. A side note, not sure whether you can trade directly with offshore futures broker, it may not be permitted under Foreign Exchange Administration Notice Policy issued by BNM. You may want to check with BNM or local futures broker.

Additional note: If a margin call is triggered means your margin maintenance requirement either completely depleted or very little left.

In short, an initial margin is like a deposit. This deposit maybe adjusted because of Clearing House (i.e. increase in minimum margin), volatility or circuit breaker event (limit up/down event).

(https://www.bursamalaysia.com/trade/risk_and_compliance/bmsc_and_bmdc_as_central_counterparty_ccp/clearing_risk_management/margin_requirement_mark_to_market/derivatives_margin)

Aside from BMD products, my Malaysian futures broker offers Nymex, CME, CBOT and COMEX. Account opening is only RM 10. Drop me a DM, if you are interested.[CODE]

This post has been edited by aurora97: Sep 20 2023, 02:29 PM
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post Sep 20 2023, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Sep 20 2023, 12:23 PM)
the margin mentioned here is called the initial margin requirement. There is a minimum initial margin requirement imposed by the Clearing house. However, that doesn't preclude the futures broking house requiring a higher initial margin requirement.

I would reckon unsecured (no collateral) and online futures brokers as you have mentioned would charge sky high initial margin requirements because they don't want to encounter a margin call and you can't pay up. A side note, not sure whether you can trade directly with offshore futures broker, it may not be permitted under Foreign Exchange Administration Notice Policy issued by BNM. You may want to check with BNM or local futures broker.

In short, an initial margin is like a deposit. This deposit maybe adjusted because of Clearing House (i.e. increase in minimum margin), volatility or circuit breaker event (limit up/down event).

(https://www.bursamalaysia.com/trade/risk_and_compliance/bmsc_and_bmdc_as_central_counterparty_ccp/clearing_risk_management/margin_requirement_mark_to_market/derivatives_margin)

Aside from BMD products, my Malaysian futures broker offers Nymex, CME, CBOT and COMEX. Account opening is only RM 10. Drop me a DM, if you are interested.
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Forget about BNM or local regulations. They are stupid and outdated. Official brokerage like TD is banned by them really speaks volume. laugh.gif

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Sep 20 2023, 12:56 PM
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post Sep 20 2023, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 20 2023, 12:56 PM)
Forget about BNM or local regulations. They are stupid and outdated. Official brokerage like TD is banned by them really speaks volume. laugh.gif
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Well, rules & regulations are in place for reasons, it could be national policy or risk mitigation.

Malaysian brokers may be outdated but compared to other futures broker, in times of crisis/volatility, who would you want as your broker?

Also, your money is onshore, so easier to get access to it.

Its another tool in the cabinet.
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post Sep 20 2023, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Sep 20 2023, 01:17 PM)
Well, rules & regulations are in place for reasons, it could be national policy or risk mitigation.

Malaysian brokers may be outdated but compared to other futures broker, in times of crisis/volatility, who would you want as your broker?

Also, your money is onshore, so easier to get access to it.

Its another tool in the cabinet.
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Sorry I like my overseas brokerage. Way cheaper than what local brokerage charge.

My broker is super conservative and stingy. Think of is as chinaman company. laugh.gif
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post Sep 20 2023, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 20 2023, 01:32 PM)
Sorry I like my overseas brokerage. Way cheaper than what local brokerage charge.

My broker is super conservative and stingy. Think of is as chinaman company. laugh.gif
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Well, no need to apologize, it is just another solution to compare with. I think any sound minded investor would want to have a solution that is cheap, fast and free (or as close to it) biggrin.gif

Of course to compare services between emerging and developed country is like comparing proton versus ferrari. Where low brokerage charge is involved, I would deduce that the futures broker is relying on volume to offset cost incurred, whereas in turn they will ask for higher initial margin.

The higher initial margin works a few ways:

1. to cover the shortfall that the investor may incur for margin maintenance;
2. interest income generated from the initial margin is collected by futures broker to offset cost.

Higher margin may act to offset default risk from the investor but also it becomes an opportunity cost for the investors because you may not be able to deploy that portion of your funds for other investments and you are relying solely on gains from your investment.

On top of that you may have currency conversation losses as well.

Anyway, really depends what angle you are coming from and its better to compare everything to get the best value.



 

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