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post Sep 14 2023, 11:05 AM, updated 3y ago

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Update:

Preliminary Report out: https://www.mot.gov.my/en/AAIB%20Statistic%...0Aug%202023.pdf

Final report will be out before Aug 2024




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post Sep 14 2023, 11:11 AM

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Sebenarnya macam ni. Dia terbang. Dia hilang kawalan..dia jatuh. Sekian report aku.
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post Sep 14 2023, 11:12 AM

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10 pages report?
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post Sep 14 2023, 11:12 AM

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kapal terbang tu jatuh disebabkan gravity
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post Sep 14 2023, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(stormyz @ Sep 14 2023, 11:11 AM)
Sebenarnya macam ni. Dia terbang. Dia hilang kawalan..dia jatuh. Sekian report aku.
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straight to the point lar
microchip or play handphone?
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post Sep 14 2023, 11:15 AM

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Maybe bateri kong
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plane kecik xbalance masa nak landing, passengers move one side nak tengok elmina residences ... crash
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post Sep 14 2023, 11:16 AM

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Wonder if they will release the cockpit voice recorder

Woop woop too low terrain pull up! Pull up!

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post Sep 14 2023, 11:19 AM

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kelentong mode:
Punca kerjadian ini mabok sekian terima kasih
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post Sep 14 2023, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(Raddus @ Sep 14 2023, 11:16 AM)
Wonder if they will release the cockpit voice recorder

Woop woop too low terrain pull up! Pull up!
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woop woop mukabumi terlalu tinggi , tarik naik tarik naik
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post Sep 14 2023, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE
https://soyacincau.com/2023/06/15/malaysia-...minute-in-2022/
In 2022 alone, there were a total of 545,588 road accidents reported and a total of 6,080 deaths. That’s an average of 1,494 accidents per day or an accident every minute in Malaysia. When it comes to road fatalities, that’s 16.6 deaths per day or one death every 86 minutes.

inb4 life is only precious when you killed by plane crashing on you, mabuk involved and when have chance to vroom, the rest is just a number.


plane crashed, must continue reporting it, for few months.
mabuk, yeahhhh lets put it headline, weeks of news coverage with constant update.
one vroom accident killed another vroom, must viral in socmed with ugut ugut.

other accident, krik krik krik
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post Sep 14 2023, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(stormyz @ Sep 14 2023, 11:11 AM)
Sebenarnya macam ni. Dia terbang. Dia hilang kawalan..dia jatuh. Sekian report aku.
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thats like double six incident, only difference is they took many decades to come up with this
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post Sep 14 2023, 11:28 AM

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Kesalahan flight lane not well maintained la tu
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post Sep 14 2023, 11:30 AM

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is it possible that it can be altered?
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post Sep 14 2023, 11:31 AM

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Got taliban here, like this also wanna report my post.
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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Sep 14 2023, 11:24 AM)
thats like double six incident, only difference is they took many decades to come up with this
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Cukur US technology cut down the time so much
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post Sep 14 2023, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(stormyz @ Sep 14 2023, 11:11 AM)
Sebenarnya macam ni. Dia terbang. Dia hilang kawalan..dia jatuh. Sekian report aku.
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Wah cepat siap assignment
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post Sep 14 2023, 11:50 AM

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Microsoft blue screen
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post Sep 14 2023, 11:58 AM

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lambat...Kopitiam Transport Ministry already sloved it in 48 pages thread
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post Sep 14 2023, 12:04 PM

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tomorrow, but why cant they summarize and publish on news now?
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QUOTE(cloudwan0 @ Sep 14 2023, 12:04 PM)
tomorrow, but why cant they summarize and publish on news now?
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today busy printing banner and backdrop for press release
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post Sep 14 2023, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(cloudwan0 @ Sep 14 2023, 12:04 PM)
tomorrow, but why cant they summarize and publish on news now?
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The trend now is to have an announcement for an announcement

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QUOTE(nazq @ Sep 14 2023, 11:28 AM)
Kesalahan flight lane not well maintained la tu
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post Sep 14 2023, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(DarkAeon @ Sep 14 2023, 11:12 AM)
kapal terbang tu jatuh disebabkan gravity
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blame Earth pole shifting, causing wrong gravity force calculation by autopilot
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Engine hit by bird, lost control and thus 💥 and nosedive crash 💥
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QUOTE(Jimsee @ Sep 14 2023, 11:50 AM)
Microsoft blue screen
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Force windows update on cockpit system. Oooooowaiii
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post Sep 15 2023, 10:33 AM

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post Sep 15 2023, 10:34 AM

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KUALA LUMPUR: Both pilots in the doomed Beechcraft Model 390 (Premier 1) which crashed in Bandar Elmina, Shah Alam last month, had no health issues, revealed the Elmina Aircrash Report released by the Transport Ministry today.

The report said while the pilot in command (PIC) and second in command (SIC) had succumbed to multiple injuries in the crash, but evidence indicated that both individuals did not suffer from cockpit incapacitation.

"Hence, the hypothesis of medical causative and contributing factors to this accident may be discounted," the report said.

On witness account, the PIC was reported to be well the night before the accident on Aug 17, and a witness also said the PIC had good rest before the flight departed from Langkawi.

"Both the PIC and SIC held valid medical cetificates from the Federal Aviation Administration and the Civil Aviation Authority of Malaysia (CAAM)."
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post Sep 15 2023, 10:35 AM

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high level skill for announcement

now it is announcement of announcement of announcement doh.gif
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post Sep 15 2023, 10:45 AM

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cockpit voice recorder no transcript?
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post Sep 15 2023, 10:52 AM

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The important part is at page 25:-

Note: Initial analysis of the recovered CVR recording has provided critical leads to uncovering the cause of the accident, with a focus on the aircraft flight control systems. Results from the pending inspection and examination of the related aircraft parts and components at the NTSB and OEM laboratories are necessary to provide collaborative and/or conclusive evidence in establishing the cause of the accident.

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post Sep 15 2023, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(tahfeikei @ Sep 15 2023, 10:45 AM)
cockpit voice recorder no transcript?
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Probably got, but the more important one is the Flight Data Recorder (FDR), which records what happened in those 2 minutes after clearance was given.

Since the weather was good and no medical or health related issues, the focus would be on the plane itself.
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post Sep 15 2023, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Sep 15 2023, 10:53 AM)
Probably got, but the more important one is the Flight Data Recorder (FDR), which records what happened in those 2 minutes after clearance was given.

Since the weather was good and no medical or health related issues, the focus would be on the plane itself.
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This plane no FDR lah

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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Sep 15 2023, 11:53 AM)
Probably got, but the more important one is the Flight Data Recorder (FDR), which records what happened in those 2 minutes after clearance was given.

Since the weather was good and no medical or health related issues, the focus would be on the plane itself.
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Page 8 of the report: There was no Flight Data Recorder (FDR) installed in the aircraft.

Page 12: Initial transcription of the CVR recording has been completed and analysis of the audio files is in progress at the time of issue of this Preliminary Report. Transcripts from the cockpit voice recording shall be included in the Final Report only when essential to the analyses and understanding of the accident.

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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Sep 15 2023, 10:54 AM)
This plane no FDR lah
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Then its even more understandable why it's gonna take almost a year to check..... meaning they have to go for the source themselves.
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post Sep 15 2023, 11:06 AM

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Shouldn't this be corroborative not collaborative?
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post Sep 15 2023, 11:16 AM

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60 pages of preliminary report read. whistling.gif Extensive impact damage. Not much left intact. Not easy to pinpoint the root cause of the crash if it's due to mechanical issue.

It might take years to conclude...

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who's bright idea is it to allow private jets to fly without black box?
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post Sep 15 2023, 11:28 AM

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It's worthy to note both pilots have very little miles on this type of aircraft, total hours are good but in this craft very low.
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post Sep 15 2023, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(Raddus @ Sep 15 2023, 11:22 AM)
who's bright idea is it to allow private jets to fly without black box?
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As per international law. If the plane has less than 10 passengers, it is not mandatory.
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QUOTE(krishtiano86 @ Sep 15 2023, 11:28 AM)
It's worthy to note both pilots have very little miles on this type of aircraft, total hours are good but in this craft very low.
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Yah, especially SIC - mere 3.15h sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Raddus @ Sep 15 2023, 11:22 AM)
who's bright idea is it to allow private jets to fly without black box?
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Black box is there. Yourself not bright, doesnt mean others is like you.
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tu dia mai dah /k aircraft investigation experts
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post Sep 15 2023, 11:42 AM

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So wait until 2024 only will know cause?
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QUOTE(PJng @ Sep 14 2023, 11:12 AM)
10 pages report?
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preliminary

paham ke tak paham
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QUOTE(Raddus @ Sep 14 2023, 11:16 AM)
Wonder if they will release the cockpit voice recorder

Woop woop too low terrain pull up! Pull up!
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it'll be in the final report, too bad not included in this one.
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QUOTE(Ichibanichi @ Sep 14 2023, 11:13 AM)
straight to the point lar
microchip or play handphone?
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Maybe tulan kena sound terus dive down the plane.
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QUOTE(haturaya @ Sep 15 2023, 11:34 AM)
Yah, especially SIC - mere 3.15h  sweat.gif
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The company will kena sue due to lack of training for their pilots.
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QUOTE(DValentine @ Sep 15 2023, 11:46 AM)
preliminary

paham ke tak paham
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I no read content, only read title
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QUOTE(PJng @ Sep 15 2023, 12:07 PM)
I no read content, only read title
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no need read content

define "preliminary"
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QUOTE(hafiziza @ Sep 15 2023, 10:52 AM)
The important part is at page 25:-

Note: Initial analysis of the recovered CVR recording has provided critical leads to uncovering the cause of the accident, with a focus on the aircraft flight control systems. Results from the pending inspection and examination of the related aircraft parts and components at the NTSB and OEM laboratories are necessary to provide collaborative and/or conclusive evidence in establishing the cause of the accident.
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Pakai barang tak ori?
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QUOTE(Raddus @ Sep 15 2023, 11:22 AM)
who's bright idea is it to allow private jets to fly without black box?
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conclusion of the preliminary = wait for final report
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QUOTE(DValentine @ Sep 15 2023, 12:14 PM)
no need read content

define "preliminary"
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Mean not final report
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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Sep 14 2023, 11:05 AM)
Update:

Preliminary Report out: https://www.mot.gov.my/en/AAIB%20Statistic%...0Aug%202023.pdf

Final report will be out before Aug 2024
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Kek betul, tittle --> report Siap
Disclaimer --> akan dtg di 2024
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Any TLDR on what causing the accident to anyone who already read the report?
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QUOTE(rollinginsodeep @ Sep 15 2023, 12:22 PM)
Any TLDR on what causing the accident to anyone who already read the report?
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No cause in this report. Wait next year they will tell you.
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QUOTE(rollinginsodeep @ Sep 15 2023, 12:22 PM)
Any TLDR on what causing the accident to anyone who already read the report?
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No need to read... Wait until AAIB publish final report
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QUOTE(teslaman @ Sep 15 2023, 11:36 AM)
Black box is there. Yourself not bright, doesnt mean others is like you.
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This plane no black box, just CVR
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QUOTE(rollinginsodeep @ Sep 15 2023, 12:22 PM)
Any TLDR on what causing the accident to anyone who already read the report?
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3.1.1 The PIC was licensed and qualified for the flight in accordance with
existing regulations.
3.1.2 The aircraft had a valid Certificate of Airworthiness and had been
maintained in compliance with the regulations.
3.1.3 The incident happened in day time with reported clear visibility and fine
meteorological conditions.
3.1.4 There was no evidence of incapacitation or physiological factors that
affected the flight crew performance.
3.1.5 The accident was not survivable due to the magnitude of the
deceleration force and the post-crash fire.
3.1.6 (Additional findings to be included in the Final Report.)
3.2 Causes/Contributing Factors
To be included in the Final Report.
* Note: Initial analysis of the recovered CVR recording has provided critical leads to
uncovering the cause of the accident, with a focus on the aircraft flight control systems.
Results from the pending inspection and examination of the related aircraft parts and
components at the NTSB and OEM laboratories are necessary to provide collaborative
and/or conclusive evidence in establishing the cause of the accident.
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QUOTE(rollinginsodeep @ Sep 15 2023, 12:22 PM)
Any TLDR on what causing the accident to anyone who already read the report?
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Don't have. Just a report to make you pening kepala.
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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Sep 15 2023, 12:24 PM)
This plane no black box, just CVR
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A CVR is a black box

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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Sep 15 2023, 12:27 PM)
A CVR is a black box
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Ah yes, that's right
I was referring to FDR

They are both black boxes
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Sep 15 2023, 12:25 PM)
3.1.1 The PIC was licensed and qualified for the flight in accordance with
existing regulations.
3.1.2 The aircraft had a valid Certificate of Airworthiness and had been
maintained in compliance with the regulations.
3.1.3 The incident happened in day time with reported clear visibility and fine
meteorological conditions.
3.1.4 There was no evidence of incapacitation or physiological factors that
affected the flight crew performance.
3.1.5 The accident was not survivable due to the magnitude of the
deceleration force and the post-crash fire.
3.1.6 (Additional findings to be included in the Final Report.)
3.2 Causes/Contributing Factors
To be included in the Final Report.
* Note: Initial analysis of the recovered CVR recording has provided critical leads to
uncovering the cause of the accident, with a focus on the aircraft flight control systems.
Results from the pending inspection and examination of the related aircraft parts and
components at the NTSB and OEM laboratories are necessary to provide collaborative
and/or conclusive evidence in establishing the cause of the accident.
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Thanks so much for this. So no cause yet la. Need to wait for final report
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Let us listen to cockpit voice recording, says Elmina crash victim’s kin

PETALING JAYA: A family member of an Elmina crash victim has appealed to the transport ministry to allow family members to listen to the aircraft’s cockpit voice recording (CVR).

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...sh-victims-kin/
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announcement to announce the report
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QUOTE(Ichibanichi @ Sep 14 2023, 11:13 AM)
straight to the point lar
microchip or play handphone?
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Maybe heart attack.
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From the wording, seems like some kind of aircraft failure. But have to be careful when releasing the final report. It will affect all similar aircraft around the world and manufacturer's reputation as well. So all covering asses with verification with manufacturer for confirmation. Ding dong ding dong. But looks like not pilot error.
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Jwpn pusing2. Mana voice recorder?
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QUOTE(mambangafro @ Sep 15 2023, 12:15 PM)
Pakai barang tak ori?
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Not necessarily. They might wanna rule out human negligence that cause control issues.

Good example, sort of, is Helios Flight 522
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wow the hours on type really low
SIC must be only his 2nd or 3rd time in the plane
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QUOTE(syahmie8 @ Sep 15 2023, 11:03 PM)
Jwpn pusing2. Mana voice recorder?
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Bodo simpan sikit

Ni bukan final report

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QUOTE(knumskul @ Sep 15 2023, 11:12 PM)
Not necessarily. They might wanna rule out human negligence that cause control issues.

Good example, sort of, is Helios Flight 522
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No lah just kididing

All aircraft parts installed must have the related certificate and fit for for release to service as per CAA Malaysia
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QUOTE(DValentine @ Sep 15 2023, 11:59 PM)
Bodo simpan sikit

Ni bukan final report
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Haah.. kau jela yg pandai.
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You guys don't speculate. Just wait for the official report
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wonder will they release CVR transcription
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happened few days before prigozhin private plane crashed

 

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