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TSgoolie
post Sep 11 2023, 09:52 AM, updated 3y ago

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Recently I came across few downlights on Shopee/Lazada but do not know how to differentiate branded vs no brand LED downlights. See below for my comparison.

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Philips: https://shopee.com.my/PHILIPS-MESON-59466-1...3f-a5d358846695
No brand: https://shopee.com.my/product/244022032/4781463737

The one I highlighted in green means superior than the another. Philips' lifespan is 15000 hrs which is 3x more than "no brand" but the price RM18 is almost 3x. In terms of warranty, Philips can only provide 1 year. Should I consider to go for no brand since it can provide 2 years warranty? Usually what are the coverage during warranty period?

Does 1200lm (no brand) perform better than 950lm (philips)? Will it be too bright? Will there be any difference in terms of color temperature based on same 4000K for Philips and "no brand"? Will it provide same functional lighting and atmosphere?

Philips stated that it can give 80% energy saving. Do you think "no brand" can give the same assurance?

Besides pricing, warranty, the other things to consider is easy of installation (for future replacement), please advise if "no brand" can easy to install as well.


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post Sep 12 2023, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(thinkgoodpositive @ Sep 12 2023, 10:45 AM)
Also need to consider the "quality" of the light output. Although same lumen and colour temperature, Branded vs non-branded also will have difference in terms of the lighting feel. Non-branded one will dim or become inconsistent output after few months.
I have installed Philips meson recently for my house mostly. So far statisfy with the quality of light output.
13W for bedrooms are sufficient. For living or dining area, 17W. Toilet 9W...these are just rough reference, need to see your lighting planning/design if want more details.
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I decide to go for branded LED downlight. But, i heard one contractor said that philips LED will be more difficult to install. Is it true? He advised me to go for Megaman or OSRAM. Both also from Germany. I believe all of them are same quality standard, right? or do you have any thoughts on this?

For Megaman 5 inch 12W, I can get better deal at RM16.90/unit with 2 years warranty. Have not negotiated yet. I was thinking to get lower rate with bulk purchase 20-30pcs.
For Philips with same size & power output the best deal I can find is around RM17-18/unit with 1 year warranty only. Another deal is RM22/unit with 2 years warranty.

Should I go for Megaman? Anyone using this brand b4?

Question: Which one is better? and why?
1. Megaman beam angle: 120°
2. Philips beam angle: 110°

This post has been edited by goolie: Sep 12 2023, 01:45 PM
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post Sep 13 2023, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(brutus @ Sep 12 2023, 07:31 PM)
I have seen a demo by one of the PHILIPS Professional Partner in my condo demo.
As per normal our corridors were using those generic China LED DL D150 18W (rated 1500lm). They showed up with an equivalent D150 size DL but running only 12W (rated 1300lm). Hence it is a direct fit.
The generic China 18W when measured using a light meter only got about 70-80lx while the PHILIPS 12W under same condition got 110-120lx.
They then bring up another unit same sized but running at 9W (rated 950lm) and was measured at 65-75lx. Now JMB deciding to go for 9W or 12W model. Running 12H per day, every 1W saved is equivalent to RM 2.40/year. The unit offered is with 5-Yr warranty.
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China 18W got about 70-80lx, are u talking about beam angle?

For this "Running 12H per day, every 1W saved is equivalent to RM 2.40/year", where can we get proof on this?

How do we calculate our electricity bill? Let say I use 1x 12W LED running on 12 hours per day, how much is monthly electricity cost? Is the calculation below correct?

Total consumption: 12W x 12 hrs x 30 days = 4320W (4.32kWh)

For the first 200 kWh (1 – 200 kWh) per month, the rate is 21.80

So estimated bill: 4.32 * 21.8/100 = RM0.94

This post has been edited by goolie: Sep 13 2023, 08:28 AM
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post Sep 13 2023, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(brutus @ Sep 13 2023, 09:28 AM)
They demo using a digital light meter as brightness of a lamp is not measured by the eyes. The light meter will measure the brightness, the higher the number the brighter it is.

The savings RM 2.40/Year you can download the respective tariff table from TNB and calculate it.
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I try to calculate but could not get RM2.40 per year.

Every 1W running on 12hrs daily will save Rm2.40, but I only can get RM0.94

1W x 12 hrs x 360 days = 4320W (4.32kWh)

For the first 200 kWh (1 – 200 kWh) per month, the rate is 21.80

Estimated bill: 4.32 * 21.8/100 = RM0.94

so it should be RM0.94, right?

This post has been edited by goolie: Sep 13 2023, 08:33 AM

 

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