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post Aug 28 2023, 09:53 AM, updated 2y ago

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Hey all just wanna get some opinion regarding marriage or how does one know if they are ready to tie the knot..my story is below will summarise it to the best I can

I'm a 33 year old dude and I'm currently dating a 30 year old lady..we met on a dating app early last year and have been in a serious relationship for about 1 year now..last month when we are hanging out and talking, the topic of marriage came out..she asked me what is my plan and when do I want to settle down.

Now this marriage topic has been a big problem for me. Previously in my last two relationships whenever this topic comes out and my answer was I don't know, the relationship goes downhill from there. The girl will be like I'm wasting her time and you get the drift..

Now with my current relationship, I'm trying to be more tactful. So I told her I want to get married but I just don't know when like I'm not sure of the timeline. I think she was not happy with my answer and she started saying things like so why are u with me? Don't u feel we are wasting time? Bla bla bla..then she said she needs to rethink about our current relationship and giving me a cold treatment now.

Why does everything have to be about marriage for women? We had a good time together as a couple, we talked, we hangout, we are there for one another and yet that is not enough? Only marriage dictates happiness? I have been having a hard time to address this marriage topic whenever I'm with someone..I just don't know when I will be ready so does that mean I shouldn't date anybody? Is it my fault? Just help a brother out on this? Totally lost on what to do..

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post Aug 28 2023, 10:03 AM

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Sorry im going to keep this short -

what you expect from a 30 year old lady? she is going to expired soon.

So to answer your question if your already having doubts that means your not ready.




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QUOTE(GambitFire @ Aug 28 2023, 09:53 AM)
Hey all just wanna get some opinion regarding marriage or how does one know if they are ready to tie the knot..my story is below will summarise it to the best I can

I'm a 33 year old dude and I'm currently dating a 30 year old lady..we met on a dating app early last year and have been in a serious relationship for about 1 year now..last month when we are hanging out and talking, the topic of marriage came out..she asked me what is my plan and when do I want to settle down.

Now this marriage topic has been a big problem for me. Previously in my last two relationships whenever this topic comes out and my answer was I don't know, the relationship goes downhill from there. The girl will be like I'm wasting her time and you get the drift..

Now with my current relationship, I'm trying to be more tactful. So I told her I want to get married but I just don't know when like I'm not sure of the timeline. I think she was not happy with my answer and she started saying things like so why are u with me? Don't u feel we are wasting time? Bla bla bla..then she said she needs to rethink about our current relationship and giving me a cold treatment now.

Why does everything have to be about marriage for women? We had a good time together as a couple, we talked, we hangout, we are there for one another and yet that is not enough? Only marriage dictates happiness?  I have been having a hard time to address this marriage topic whenever I'm with someone..I just don't know when I will be ready so does that mean I shouldn't date anybody? Is it my fault? Just help a brother out on this? Totally lost on what to do..
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Some questions you have to think about & answer honestly:
1) Where do you see yourself in relationships? Do you want to get married ever? In 1 year? 3 years? 5 years? 10 years? Never?
2) If you're dating Asian women, their end goal will be to get married, settle down, have children, and secretly wish to marry a rich guy so that they can become housewife. This is especially true for Chinese women.
3) Your partner already asked you a few key questions - "Why are you with me?" "Don't you feel we are wasting time?" etc. etc. What's your honest answer to that?

Secret of life. Nobody is ever ready for marriage, unless you're Ted Mosby. You just try to find the right partner and hope for the best.
If you want to reduce the likelihood of divorce after marriage, go for those pre-marriage counselling courses. It will help determine if you & your partner shares the same life aspirations & goals.

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post Aug 28 2023, 10:06 AM

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Well looks like you have some doubts.

A woman's dream or instinct is usually to have a family. So they want to look for a proper man to have that family with.

You on the other hand is adamant about marriage. Time for you to wake up and ask the hard question what you want ?

If you dont want marriage, dont waste her time. She is 30 years old, soon she will go into geriatric pregnancy. So time is not on her side.

What is stopping you from getting married ? Commitment issues ? Money ? Lack of freedom ?

Compared to the benefits of getting married...

Yah...lets be real, we all have heard of horror marriages. But what about the good ones.

Think about this and share with her about your marriage views. If she can accept, then its on her. If she cant, let he go and dont deny her happiness for your own selfish reasons for not wanting marriage.
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post Aug 28 2023, 10:07 AM

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when financial on both is ready
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if u ask this Q , that means u r not ready.
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post Aug 28 2023, 10:14 AM

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That's where both of you got your expectations wrong.

The moment I got together with my girlfriend (now wife), I straight away told her I want to get married once I am in a relationship with her.

She said yes. Then both of us got together and planned our future together.

I have been calling her my wife ever since we started dating.

In any relationship, always be clear and transparent about your expectations and goals.

If you merely want a companion or just want to have sex etc, let the girl know!

Otherwise, you are freaking wasting her time!
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post Aug 28 2023, 10:29 AM

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dont waste her time
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This age range of female is looking for settle down mostly, unless you met like a divorce with kid then it shouldnt be a huge problem cause she has gone through the process itself

you're 33 can easily score some 19, 20 years old...try to look for party girl or someone still exploring what they want (while you working on your career, she still has time to be wasted). if you meet this kind of mature woman usually they're stifled strict or not fun to be around with

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QUOTE(Hades76 @ Aug 28 2023, 10:06 AM)
If she cant, let he go and dont deny her happiness for your own selfish reasons for not wanting marriage.
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Most men go into a locked relationship because he wants sex "steadily" and even worse emotional mother to lash onto lol, they're afraid to go out be a womaniser and test themselves and theories.
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post Aug 28 2023, 11:29 AM

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I'm really curious what is your plan for this relationship and the future of both of you ?

Getting married was never your plan for every relationship you've been in ?
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QUOTE(24erss @ Aug 28 2023, 11:29 AM)
I'm really curious what is your plan  for this relationship and the future of both of you ?

Getting married was never your plan for every relationship you've been in ?
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most people go into a serious relationship because they dont want to feel lonely
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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Aug 28 2023, 11:31 AM)
most people go into a serious relationship because they dont want to feel lonely
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more like a companionship you meant? pet kan ada
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QUOTE(em_on @ Aug 28 2023, 11:33 AM)
more like a companionship you meant? pet kan ada
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I jaga puppy before, a lot of times dog can be needy AF, its not like unconditional love is completely good, sometimes people need spaces
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QUOTE(GambitFire @ Aug 28 2023, 09:53 AM)
Why does everything have to be about marriage for women? We had a good time together as a couple, we talked, we hangout, we are there for one another and yet that is not enough? Only marriage dictates happiness?  I have been having a hard time to address this marriage topic whenever I'm with someone..I just don't know when I will be ready so does that mean I shouldn't date anybody? Is it my fault? Just help a brother out on this? Totally lost on what to do..
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Advantages of marriage I can think of:

1. children

2. Better financial security for the other

Marriage is a big deal. If its not in your plan and its in hers then better be frank about it.

QUOTE(-mystery- @ Aug 28 2023, 10:36 AM)
Most men go into a locked relationship because he wants sex "steadily" and even worse emotional mother to lash onto lol, they're afraid to go out be a womaniser and test themselves and theories.
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Womanising and having many partners is very tiring after a while.
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post Aug 28 2023, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Aug 28 2023, 11:31 AM)
most people go into a serious relationship because they dont want to feel lonely
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If you are only prioritizing your own satisfaction of your loneliness then it's really very irresponsible for your partner that have plan for their future. If that's the case should just be switching different fwb every night.

Why wanna take someone's time when you are not ready to commit ?
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Aug 28 2023, 12:37 PM)
Womanising and having many partners is very tiring after a while.
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because you don't have a clean and honest intention
I know ive been practicing this lifestyle forawhile and there are lots of things youi cannot control

QUOTE(24erss @ Aug 28 2023, 12:48 PM)
If you are only prioritizing your own satisfaction of your loneliness then it's really very irresponsible for your partner that have plan for their future. If that's the case should just be switching different fwb every night.

Why wanna take someone's time when you are not ready to commit ?
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they can always leave i already have my eyes outside
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U think this is game ah

That’s a human being not npc ffs
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QUOTE(h0riz0nLine @ Aug 28 2023, 01:13 PM)
U think this is game ah

That’s a human being not npc ffs
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ts has to realize life is just a series of failures
he's in dilemma now because he still stay in that initial dream alike state where everything is good and infatuated
now the woman already ask for marriage
even if they stay together, there's likelihood cheating happens too
might as well just break up, and rediscover himself
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you are not ready. you just want free sex without the commitments. Like the 2 other relationship, it will go downhill from here unless you make up your mind to commit..
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TS don't dare to reply ?

I think you really have to get your balls out and have some responsibility for your other half.

If you're not then better go cheong / tfk at home, don't come out and destroy someone's daughters' life.
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QUOTE(24erss @ Aug 28 2023, 03:00 PM)
don't come out and destroy someone's daughters' life.
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you mean women are your property
and they are absolutely free and unaccountable for their own behaviours?

keep patriachy for yourself man
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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Aug 28 2023, 03:02 PM)
hahaha
you mean women are your property
and they are absolutely free and unaccountable for their own behaviours?

keep patriachy for yourself man
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You are same shit as TS
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QUOTE(tekkaus @ Aug 28 2023, 10:14 AM)
That's where both of you got your expectations wrong.

The moment I got together with my girlfriend (now wife), I straight away told her I want to get married once I am in a relationship with her.

She said yes. Then both of us got together and planned our future together.

I have been calling her my wife ever since we started dating.

In any relationship, always be clear and transparent about your expectations and goals.

If you merely want a companion or just want to have sex etc, let the girl know!

Otherwise, you are freaking wasting her time!
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Nice man. Your blog also not too bad!
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QUOTE(DSV4600 @ Aug 28 2023, 03:17 PM)
Nice man. Your blog also not too bad!
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Thank you for the support boss! thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(GambitFire @ Aug 28 2023, 09:53 AM)
Hey all just wanna get some opinion regarding marriage or how does one know if they are ready to tie the knot..my story is below will summarise it to the best I can

I'm a 33 year old dude and I'm currently dating a 30 year old lady..we met on a dating app early last year and have been in a serious relationship for about 1 year now..last month when we are hanging out and talking, the topic of marriage came out..she asked me what is my plan and when do I want to settle down.

Now this marriage topic has been a big problem for me. Previously in my last two relationships whenever this topic comes out and my answer was I don't know, the relationship goes downhill from there. The girl will be like I'm wasting her time and you get the drift..

Now with my current relationship, I'm trying to be more tactful. So I told her I want to get married but I just don't know when like I'm not sure of the timeline. I think she was not happy with my answer and she started saying things like so why are u with me? Don't u feel we are wasting time? Bla bla bla..then she said she needs to rethink about our current relationship and giving me a cold treatment now.

Why does everything have to be about marriage for women? We had a good time together as a couple, we talked, we hangout, we are there for one another and yet that is not enough? Only marriage dictates happiness?  I have been having a hard time to address this marriage topic whenever I'm with someone..I just don't know when I will be ready so does that mean I shouldn't date anybody? Is it my fault? Just help a brother out on this? Totally lost on what to do..
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Time to discuss this seriously with her. Let her go if you don't want to commit.
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QUOTE(24erss @ Aug 28 2023, 03:12 PM)
You are same shit as TS
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have a valid debate
dont personal attack idiot
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Last thread you were 35, now you 33?

Benjamin Button disease?
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TS want sex without commitment ni
dude, do not waste other time lo

u can get plenty of good time with friends. unless the good time u mean is sex.
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QUOTE(GambitFire @ Aug 28 2023, 09:53 AM)
Hey all just wanna get some opinion regarding marriage or how does one know if they are ready to tie the knot..my story is below will summarise it to the best I can

I'm a 33 year old dude and I'm currently dating a 30 year old lady..we met on a dating app early last year and have been in a serious relationship for about 1 year now..last month when we are hanging out and talking, the topic of marriage came out..she asked me what is my plan and when do I want to settle down.

Now this marriage topic has been a big problem for me. Previously in my last two relationships whenever this topic comes out and my answer was I don't know, the relationship goes downhill from there. The girl will be like I'm wasting her time and you get the drift..

Now with my current relationship, I'm trying to be more tactful. So I told her I want to get married but I just don't know when like I'm not sure of the timeline. I think she was not happy with my answer and she started saying things like so why are u with me? Don't u feel we are wasting time? Bla bla bla..then she said she needs to rethink about our current relationship and giving me a cold treatment now.

Why does everything have to be about marriage for women? We had a good time together as a couple, we talked, we hangout, we are there for one another and yet that is not enough? Only marriage dictates happiness?  I have been having a hard time to address this marriage topic whenever I'm with someone..I just don't know when I will be ready so does that mean I shouldn't date anybody? Is it my fault? Just help a brother out on this? Totally lost on what to do..
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That's why you need to know what the girl want. For me I state what I want upfront before I start any relationship. If she doesn't want so be it.

Now your situation looks like you are not ready for marriage cause you had 2 previous relationship and you said not sure. Now you are also not sure. A girl have expiry date so of course they want to get married. Yes there are women who don't want to get married usually those super independent and feminist women. So since your girl want marriage and you are not ready, better not drag the relationship. Don't waste her time.

You can date. But find a girl who doesn't want to get married or find those super young girls who are not sure about what they want. Be upfront and don't waste people time.
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QUOTE(GambitFire @ Aug 28 2023, 09:53 AM)
Hey all just wanna get some opinion regarding marriage or how does one know if they are ready to tie the knot..my story is below will summarise it to the best I can

I'm a 33 year old dude and I'm currently dating a 30 year old lady..we met on a dating app early last year and have been in a serious relationship for about 1 year now..last month when we are hanging out and talking, the topic of marriage came out..she asked me what is my plan and when do I want to settle down.

Now this marriage topic has been a big problem for me. Previously in my last two relationships whenever this topic comes out and my answer was I don't know, the relationship goes downhill from there. The girl will be like I'm wasting her time and you get the drift..

Now with my current relationship, I'm trying to be more tactful. So I told her I want to get married but I just don't know when like I'm not sure of the timeline. I think she was not happy with my answer and she started saying things like so why are u with me? Don't u feel we are wasting time? Bla bla bla..then she said she needs to rethink about our current relationship and giving me a cold treatment now.

Why does everything have to be about marriage for women? We had a good time together as a couple, we talked, we hangout, we are there for one another and yet that is not enough? Only marriage dictates happiness?  I have been having a hard time to address this marriage topic whenever I'm with someone..I just don't know when I will be ready so does that mean I shouldn't date anybody? Is it my fault? Just help a brother out on this? Totally lost on what to do..
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If you have no plan = you plan to fail on almost all aspects. Not only relationship.

If I'm the female, I'll not be happy as well. If I'm the father of the daughter, I'll ask female to be decisive because non-decisive male without any plan will not be able to lead the relationship. From your statement, you only see the thing from the your own perspective. 1 sided view is bad & will invite a lot of conflict at the longer horizon.

Getting married doesn't mean the end to the coupling activities. In fact, it is beginning of the relationship journey with the relationship being recognized legally. At least you shows commitment / assurance that you are not wasting her youth / time.

Since she have put forward the discussion on topic, then what is your next action? Are going to plan nothing? 2 failed relationship's of the past have taught you nothing at all? You will not move or progress from here unless you learn the "lesson" the world wanted you to learn in the life.

Why not be open with her. Tell her your concerns? If financially is a concern, will she be willing to compromise on smaller scale of wedding or willing to work for common goal ?. Willing to commit >>> then those running away / chicken out.

Make a plan / goal - 2~3 years, commit to buy rent house / buy house ? Will she be ok with the option? within the next 5 years target to marry ?

If all these scare the hell out of you & you are not able to put the effort into it, then better don't be in this relationship.

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hi TS as a married man with kids and speaking with other married people with kids especially those who are already married or been together for 20 years or more.

do you want kids?

if the answers is No, then don't get married.

do you feel strong emotional bonds and can really click with your spouse and share many common interest

if you don't share some strong common interest after 20 years of marriage, both of you are just staying for the sake of the kids and are emotionally unhappy


it seems that you don't really have a strong emotional connection or bond with your current partner or even precious partners.

why is something you must ask yourself. you seems to be looking for something or someone that is missing in your life. could you be ghey?

just to make sure you are honest with yourself

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QUOTE(GambitFire @ Aug 28 2023, 09:53 AM)
Why does everything have to be about marriage for women? We had a good time together as a couple, we talked, we hangout, we are there for one another and yet that is not enough? Only marriage dictates happiness?  I have been having a hard time to address this marriage topic whenever I'm with someone..I just don't know when I will be ready so does that mean I shouldn't date anybody? Is it my fault? Just help a brother out on this? Totally lost on what to do..
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The #1 critirea of a marriage is the ability to think and care about your partner, and not just yourself.

Right now, its just about your own enjoyment, you're not thinking of your partner. If you can't even see why a 30 year old woman doesn't want to waste her time, you're just blind and ignorant at this point.

Try to figure out what you want a relationship for. Do you just want someone to hang out with? Someone to f`k? or someone to be your life long partner to help each other through the challenges in life?
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1. financial ready

2. thinking and mindset maturity

3. goals and visions alignment

that are the key factors that I believe will determine are you ready for marriage life. you can list out these and evaluate your current relationship does it have all of the above and then discuss with your partner.

emotions may change but it's whether both you and partner willing to align from time to time to make the relationship works nod.gif

btw, after you get married, remember to practise self love and self care as well, nothing last forever, that's the reality of life sweat.gif
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You'll know you're ready for marriage if YOU are the one chasing her to get married. The fact that you don't feel the urgency to get married meant that somewhere deep down, you feel she's not right for you.
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QUOTE(GambitFire @ Aug 28 2023, 09:53 AM)
Hey all just wanna get some opinion regarding marriage or how does one know if they are ready to tie the knot..my story is below will summarise it to the best I can

I'm a 33 year old dude and I'm currently dating a 30 year old lady..we met on a dating app early last year and have been in a serious relationship for about 1 year now..last month when we are hanging out and talking, the topic of marriage came out..she asked me what is my plan and when do I want to settle down.

Now this marriage topic has been a big problem for me. Previously in my last two relationships whenever this topic comes out and my answer was I don't know, the relationship goes downhill from there. The girl will be like I'm wasting her time and you get the drift..

Now with my current relationship, I'm trying to be more tactful. So I told her I want to get married but I just don't know when like I'm not sure of the timeline. I think she was not happy with my answer and she started saying things like so why are u with me? Don't u feel we are wasting time? Bla bla bla..then she said she needs to rethink about our current relationship and giving me a cold treatment now.

Why does everything have to be about marriage for women? We had a good time together as a couple, we talked, we hangout, we are there for one another and yet that is not enough? Only marriage dictates happiness?  I have been having a hard time to address this marriage topic whenever I'm with someone..I just don't know when I will be ready so does that mean I shouldn't date anybody? Is it my fault? Just help a brother out on this? Totally lost on what to do..
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In simplistic terms, make it known on the first date itself that you're not into marriage yet, and don't know when that can happen. If they stick with you for a while, then it's not on you.

It is a known expectation that when one gets into a relationship at that age, it will come a point where it's to proceed to the next level. Are you concerned that if you spell it out early, you won't get a date at all? If you are, then you're being the selfish party. And it can be vice versa where a girl dates a boy with the girl not wanting to get married. But the dude is ready to tie the know just after 3-6 months.

Marriage is a normal progression. If you're intending to take the not so common route, then be upfront early into the dates. Or as some suggested, date the teens or early 20s.

No. Marrriage does not dictate happiness. But it provides assurances and some form of security.

Look, you don't want to waste time, neither do they. Just get straight to the point if dating shows there is interest early on. You don't want to be misled, neither do they.
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Every person and relationship is different, and there's no one-size-fits-all timeline for when someone should get married. Marriage shouldn't be a pressuring topic. Relationships are about growth and exploration, both individually and as a couple. It's okay to take the time you need to figure out what you want and when you're ready for it.
I recently got married at 33 after dating my partner for 8 years. She's 33 also. We did it because we felt ready. Like this was the last piece of the puzzle.
I believe in spirituality, and before we decided to take that step, some signs indicated we were on the right path. For instance, I kept seeing rings or ring shapes everywhere, and certain numbers like 12:12 and 22:22 appeared frequently. In numerology, these numbers are associated with growth and building powerful partnerships, which resonated with us. This guide on spiritual signs that you are getting married soon covers others.

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QUOTE(vin6 @ Aug 28 2023, 10:03 AM)
Sorry im going to keep this short -

what you expect from a 30 year old lady? she is going to expired soon.

So to answer your question if your already having doubts that means your not ready.
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QUOTE(GambitFire @ Aug 28 2023, 09:53 AM)
Hey all just wanna get some opinion regarding marriage or how does one know if they are ready to tie the knot..my story is below will summarise it to the best I can

I'm a 33 year old dude and I'm currently dating a 30 year old lady..we met on a dating app early last year and have been in a serious relationship for about 1 year now..last month when we are hanging out and talking, the topic of marriage came out..she asked me what is my plan and when do I want to settle down.

Now this marriage topic has been a big problem for me. Previously in my last two relationships whenever this topic comes out and my answer was I don't know, the relationship goes downhill from there. The girl will be like I'm wasting her time and you get the drift..

Now with my current relationship, I'm trying to be more tactful. So I told her I want to get married but I just don't know when like I'm not sure of the timeline. I think she was not happy with my answer and she started saying things like so why are u with me? Don't u feel we are wasting time? Bla bla bla..then she said she needs to rethink about our current relationship and giving me a cold treatment now.

Why does everything have to be about marriage for women? We had a good time together as a couple, we talked, we hangout, we are there for one another and yet that is not enough? Only marriage dictates happiness?  I have been having a hard time to address this marriage topic whenever I'm with someone..I just don't know when I will be ready so does that mean I shouldn't date anybody? Is it my fault? Just help a brother out on this? Totally lost on what to do..
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1 year is too shallow to know....

To know a wimmin personality, at least 3-5 years....

You will regret married after 1 year.

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QUOTE(GambitFire @ Aug 28 2023, 09:53 AM)
Hey all just wanna get some opinion regarding marriage or how does one know if they are ready to tie the knot..my story is below will summarise it to the best I can

I'm a 33 year old dude and I'm currently dating a 30 year old lady..we met on a dating app early last year and have been in a serious relationship for about 1 year now..last month when we are hanging out and talking, the topic of marriage came out..she asked me what is my plan and when do I want to settle down.

Now this marriage topic has been a big problem for me. Previously in my last two relationships whenever this topic comes out and my answer was I don't know, the relationship goes downhill from there. The girl will be like I'm wasting her time and you get the drift..

Now with my current relationship, I'm trying to be more tactful. So I told her I want to get married but I just don't know when like I'm not sure of the timeline. I think she was not happy with my answer and she started saying things like so why are u with me? Don't u feel we are wasting time? Bla bla bla..then she said she needs to rethink about our current relationship and giving me a cold treatment now.

Why does everything have to be about marriage for women? We had a good time together as a couple, we talked, we hangout, we are there for one another and yet that is not enough? Only marriage dictates happiness?  I have been having a hard time to address this marriage topic whenever I'm with someone..I just don't know when I will be ready so does that mean I shouldn't date anybody? Is it my fault? Just help a brother out on this? Totally lost on what to do..
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Bro, you are play boy. You should not be into any serious relationship. Earn more money, pay for short term relationship. The best quality girl is under 21 years old. Enjoy.
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QUOTE(tekkaus @ Aug 28 2023, 10:14 AM)
That's where both of you got your expectations wrong.

The moment I got together with my girlfriend (now wife), I straight away told her I want to get married once I am in a relationship with her.

She said yes. Then both of us got together and planned our future together.

I have been calling her my wife ever since we started dating.

In any relationship, always be clear and transparent about your expectations and goals.

If you merely want a companion or just want to have sex etc, let the girl know!

Otherwise, you are freaking wasting her time!
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QUOTE(Hades76 @ Aug 28 2023, 10:06 AM)
Well looks like you have some doubts.

A woman's dream or instinct is usually to have a family. So they want to look for a proper man to have that family with.

You on the other hand is adamant about marriage. Time for you to wake up and ask the hard question what you want ?

If you dont want marriage, dont waste her time. She is 30 years old, soon she will go into geriatric pregnancy. So time is not on her side.

What is stopping you from getting married ? Commitment issues ? Money ? Lack of freedom ?

Compared to the benefits of getting married...

Yah...lets be real, we all have heard of horror marriages. But what about the good ones.

Think about this and share with her about your marriage views. If she can accept, then its on her. If she cant, let he go and dont deny her happiness for your own selfish reasons for not wanting marriage.
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Hi all sorry I've been MIA for awhile..alot of shit has been happening.. just to provide some update, me and the girl that I mentioned we eventually ended things end of Feb this year.. she invited me to meet her parents and family during CNY but I didn't attend cause I know her parents are gonna ask me about marriage and I didn't want to deal with that

My ex got furious and we had a huge argument and decided to end things..I think it ended pretty badly cause she blocked me on all social media even on WhatsApp lol..even her friends that I use to talk too kinda unfollowed me on IG as well so owh well what's done is done.

Second update, early April, one of her friends suddenly DM me on IG asking how are things and she felt bad that we broke up..so we have been talking for about two weeks now like on and off..this girl is a year older than me so she is 35.. I'm not sure what her intentions are but is it wrong for me to get to know her since she is my ex friend? Is it weird? And yes I'm still unsure about marriage also..so many dilemmas in my relationship feels like a roller coaster.


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QUOTE(GambitFire @ Apr 26 2024, 06:22 PM)
Hi all sorry I've been MIA for awhile..alot of shit has been happening.. just to provide some update, me and the girl that I mentioned we eventually ended things end of Feb this year.. she invited me to meet her parents and family during CNY but I didn't attend cause I know her parents are gonna ask me about marriage and I didn't want to deal with that

My ex got furious and we had a huge argument and decided to end things..I think it ended pretty badly cause she blocked me on all social media even on WhatsApp lol..even her friends that I use to talk too kinda unfollowed me on IG as well so owh well what's done is done.

Second update, early April, one of her friends suddenly DM me on IG asking how are things and she felt bad that we broke up..so we have been talking for about two weeks now like on and off..this girl is a year older than me so she is 35.. I'm not sure what her intentions are but is it wrong for me to get to know her since she is my ex friend? Is it weird? And yes I'm still unsure about marriage also..so many dilemmas in my relationship feels like a roller coaster.
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The marriage talk will come out. If you not prepare better tell her early on. You don't want marriage.
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QUOTE(GambitFire @ Apr 26 2024, 06:22 PM)
Second update, early April, one of her friends suddenly DM me on IG asking how are things and she felt bad that we broke up..so we have been talking for about two weeks now like on and off..this girl is a year older than me so she is 35.. I'm not sure what her intentions are but is it wrong for me to get to know her since she is my ex friend? Is it weird? And yes I'm still unsure about marriage also..so many dilemmas in my relationship feels like a roller coaster.
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Thanks for sharing your story, at least better than ghosting us laugh.gif

So, almost a year and you haven't changed your mind? I still cannot understand why it's such a scary thing for you, maybe you can share your fears here: what's holding you back? Personally for me, marriage is just a legal formality that also brings some benefits (see the other thread: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5449752 ). If you don't want kids, you can also be upfront about it. If you've studied the pros and cons about marriage and ultimately decided it's not for you, then you also don't need this thread anymore and you can tell all your future dates the same. I'm sure someone out there is on the same wavelength.

Now for your potential new date, I don't think it's wrong to date an ex's friend, but be very careful as you did not end on good terms. Your ex may sabotage your new relationship out of spite (or that you were really that bad and she was just brutally honest). Or, your new date friendship with her ex is ruined due to misunderstandings/difference in opinions, and she may not take it well, which in turn may affect your budding relationship. I guess it's best to first understand her intentions, then if she's really looking into a serious relationship then you'll need to set some expectations with the new date. For example, she can keep in contact with ex but do not talk about you, to avoid hearing biased opinions about you or TMI about your past relationship.
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QUOTE(GambitFire @ Apr 26 2024, 06:22 PM)
Hi all sorry I've been MIA for awhile..alot of shit has been happening.. just to provide some update, me and the girl that I mentioned we eventually ended things end of Feb this year.. she invited me to meet her parents and family during CNY but I didn't attend cause I know her parents are gonna ask me about marriage and I didn't want to deal with that

My ex got furious and we had a huge argument and decided to end things..I think it ended pretty badly cause she blocked me on all social media even on WhatsApp lol..even her friends that I use to talk too kinda unfollowed me on IG as well so owh well what's done is done.

Second update, early April, one of her friends suddenly DM me on IG asking how are things and she felt bad that we broke up..so we have been talking for about two weeks now like on and off..this girl is a year older than me so she is 35.. I'm not sure what her intentions are but is it wrong for me to get to know her since she is my ex friend? Is it weird? And yes I'm still unsure about marriage also..so many dilemmas in my relationship feels like a roller coaster.
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Haaaih...TS.....time to sort your thoughts. Talking to your ex gf friend is fine. Talk aje......

As for your old age plans, you wanna be alone OR with someone.

One my my friends now age 50 regret not having anyone now. Younger days playing the field. Now rasa liao........

So you too better sort your thoughts. No point regretting later.
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QUOTE(Hades76 @ Apr 29 2024, 11:21 AM)
Haaaih...TS.....time to sort your thoughts. Talking to your ex gf friend is fine. Talk aje......

As for your old age plans, you wanna be alone OR with someone.

One my my friends now age 50 regret not having anyone now. Younger days playing the field. Now rasa liao........

So you too better sort your thoughts. No point regretting later.
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Same dillema. Now almost 40s but forced my to settle down else i for sure will regret few years later on
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101% love you so much! Bro, did you have any boy please!? I have 2 daughter.
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Ha! I have 2 boys and 1 daughter. rclxms.gif
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Ha! I have 2 boys and 1 daughter.  rclxms.gif
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Heh… no kids on my part, but somehow, I knew my then gf now long suffering waifu was THE ONE the minute she said yes to a meal at White Castle. And we were still in our school uniforms back then.

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Heh… no kids on my part, but somehow, I knew my then gf now long suffering waifu was THE ONE the minute she said yes to a meal at White Castle. And we were still in our school uniforms back then.

When you know, you know..
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QUOTE(Hades76 @ Apr 29 2024, 11:21 AM)
Haaaih...TS.....time to sort your thoughts. Talking to your ex gf friend is fine. Talk aje......

As for your old age plans, you wanna be alone OR with someone.

One my my friends now age 50 regret not having anyone now. Younger days playing the field. Now rasa liao........

So you too better sort your thoughts. No point regretting later.
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But we have quite an unrepentant resident player here in this section of the forums hahaha…. He hasn’t terasa yet…
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 11 2024, 08:02 PM)
But we have quite an unrepentant resident player here in this section of the forums hahaha…. He hasn’t terasa yet…
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You dont derive your sense of worth of external things like money or women even a family. You just enjoy those and view it from god perspective and have an objective view of anything in life. You're not completely carried away by temptations

If he's feeling lonely, he's trapped in low paradigm for long time

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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Jun 12 2024, 08:38 AM)
You dont derive your sense of worth of external things like money or women even a family. You just enjoy those and view it from god perspective and have an objective view of anything in life. You're not completely carried away by temptations

If he's feeling lonely, he's trapped in low paradigm for long time
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I beg to differ. A healthy sense of self value has to be made up of a combination of intrinsic as well as topped up with a sprinkling of extrinsic qualities. To have only a wholly internal barometer or as you said “god perspective” is both unhealthy and unbalanced.

Megalomaniacs, dictators and narcissists… these are the characteristics of those who measure themselves with no regard for accountability.


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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 12 2024, 08:47 AM)
I beg to differ. A healthy sense of self value has to be made up of a combination of intrinsic as well as topped up with a sprinkling of extrinsic qualities. To have only a wholly internal barometer or as you said “god perspective” is both unhealthy and unbalanced.

Megalomaniacs, dictators and narcissists… these are the characteristics of those who measure themselves with no regard for accountability.
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Each individual is just playing their own character to the max
as ive covered numerous points in the previous thread
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Damn, TS so confuse that he joined dating app just to get free service. Where got such thing future plan for both? Now he is asking this silly question is because the counterpart was asking it. Else he will never think in next 5 years or 10 years except for 2nd free service.
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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Jun 12 2024, 08:51 AM)
Each individual is just playing their own character to the max
as ive covered numerous points in the previous thread
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From your skewed and inaccurate perspective, yes, you’ve said that many times… perhaps in an attempt to convince yourself, most of all.
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 12 2024, 08:59 AM)
From your skewed and inaccurate perspective, yes, you’ve said that many times… perhaps in an attempt to convince yourself, most of all.
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there's no point to debate who's right or wrong
everybody is living in their subjective reality
when i talk to a random stranger girl in public, people may look for a few seconds, but eventually people are worried about their own lives
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I actually found that dating in my mid 40s were much easier than when I was in my mid 20s.


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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 12 2024, 12:19 PM)
I actually found that dating in my mid 40s were much easier than when I was in my mid 20s.
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amoi crave a sense of male stability
that stability doesnt need to come from money
but your ability to be indifferent when she or life gives you shit tests, will stand out from most guys out there

cause u have been there
and your aura cannot be faked if a person communicates with you longer time
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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Jun 12 2024, 12:41 PM)
amoi crave a sense of male stability
that stability doesnt need to come from money
but your ability to be indifferent when she or life gives you shit tests, will stand out from most guys out there

cause u have been there
and your aura cannot be faked if a person communicates with you longer time
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Why are you so quick to dismiss the role that financial stability plays in the interaction? Just curious.

Because I would imagine a confident, suave, self assured person with the financial clout to back up his words and actions would score more points than the same type of person who, apart from his demeanour, words and self confidence, is actually running on empty….
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 12 2024, 02:35 PM)
Why are you so quick to dismiss the role that financial stability plays in the interaction? Just curious.

Because I would imagine a confident, suave, self assured person with the financial clout to back up his words and actions would score more points than the same type of person who, apart from his demeanour, words and self confidence, is actually running on empty….
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confidence is tree roots
money is just the fruit on trees
without solid tree roots how to have healthy tea leaves or fruits

see where's the source coming from

money and status are just an element that amplifies who you're as a person,

Its fundamentally not money who makes you confident, we've seen good looking or slightly rich people are pussy when it comes to interacting with people. They're stifled with their material success and not aggressive or polarizing. You will see black pill community that claim "make money then women will come to you"

Its an excuse, womanisers who have been in the field will disagree

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 12 2024, 02:35 PM)
Why are you so quick to dismiss the role that financial stability plays in the interaction? Just curious.

Because I would imagine a confident, suave, self assured person with the financial clout to back up his words and actions would score more points than the same type of person who, apart from his demeanour, words and self confidence, is actually running on empty….
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I like where you're going 👀 Well, from woman perspective looking into long term relationship, I fully agree that financial stability is a factor. Let's not kid ourselves: money can't buy all happiness but it sure buys many! We don't need to look for loaded rich man, but a bum/NEET would be very undesirable.

I've heard of this relationship advice, "don't find someone to complete yourself; complete yourself to find someone." It makes sense to me because burden is unattractive, like duh?

That said, onto the topic of long term vs short, the dynamic is very different.... Who cares if you're poor, if all I want is to have fun? Be it physical intimacy, or companionship, or platonic friendship .... Knowing you're not my future, I don't need to know your financial standing to enjoy short flings with you. It's never about money determining status, but more about the future of a couple.
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QUOTE(Takudan @ Jun 12 2024, 11:25 PM)
I like where you're going 👀 Well, from woman perspective looking into long term relationship, I fully agree that financial stability is a factor. Let's not kid ourselves: money can't buy all happiness but it sure buys many! We don't need to look for loaded rich man, but a bum/NEET would be very undesirable.

I've heard of this relationship advice, "don't find someone to complete yourself; complete yourself to find someone." It makes sense to me because burden is unattractive, like duh?

That said, onto the topic of long term vs short, the dynamic is very different.... Who cares if you're poor, if all I want is to have fun? Be it physical intimacy, or companionship, or platonic friendship .... Knowing you're not my future, I don't need to know your financial standing to enjoy short flings with you. It's never about money determining status, but more about the future of a couple.
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I agree with your assessment, that’s why I found what he (our resident player) said quite contradictory:

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amoi crave a sense of male stability
that stability doesnt need to come from money


On one hand, he says a woman craves for a sense of male stability (which wouldn’t come into question if it were just a fling), but one the other hand, he was quick to say that the stability has little if anything to do with money (which as you rightly called it, actually plays quite a big part in the ability of a person to provide the physical and material part of stability).

Love may make the world go round, but money makes it go round so much smoother. I’m just mature (and old enough) to admit it.
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I agree with your assessment, that’s why I found what he (our resident player) said quite contradictory:
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I noticed the same, hence my last paragraph to distinguish long vs short term relationships. Don't forget he is allergic to the former, so I just realised that it makes a lot of sense he thinks that way. Maybe, just maybe... perhaps his reluctance of engaging in long term relationship is an escape from this reality: "no need to answer to the financial expectations if there's no strings attached."

Disclaimer to others: I'm not advocating "ada wang, ada amoi" philosophy, nor that money is the most important trait in men. You can certainly find your love without 20k celery, as long as you have something in your career.
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 12 2024, 11:49 PM)
I agree with your assessment, that’s why I found what he (our resident player) said quite contradictory:
On one hand, he says a woman craves for a sense of male stability (which wouldn’t come into question if it were just a fling), but one the other hand, he was quick to say that the stability has little if anything to do with money (which as you rightly called it, actually plays quite a big part in the ability of a person to provide the physical and material part of stability).

Love may make the world go round, but money makes it go round so much smoother. I’m just mature (and old enough) to admit it.
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QUOTE(Takudan @ Jun 13 2024, 08:40 AM)
I noticed the same, hence my last paragraph to distinguish long vs short term relationships. Don't forget he is allergic to the former, so I just realised that it makes a lot of sense he thinks that way. Maybe, just maybe... perhaps his reluctance of engaging in long term relationship is an escape from this reality: "no need to answer to the financial expectations if there's no strings attached."

Disclaimer to others: I'm not advocating "ada wang, ada amoi" philosophy, nor that money is the most important trait in men. You can certainly find your love without 20k celery, as long as you have something in your career.
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don't forget about cultural differences

while i'm aware and I have experienced it myself with heartache on 'ada wang, ada amoi' (this is really true, even my wife said it), one should not overlook the cultural factors in play.

in some other cultures, you can clearly see couples getting married despite the husband holding improper jobs or those 3D jobs. If you speak to them, financial stability is not the most important trait to them.

And some women are clearly charmed by the wits of men who are good in sweet talking despite holding improper jobs.

whereas in some specific culture, the daily life revolves around money, money, and money, for example, attending a wedding involves giving away money, attending funeral also involves giving away money, even attending birthday celebrations also involves giving away money.
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Jun 13 2024, 08:59 AM)
And some women are clearly charmed by the wits of men who are good in sweet talking despite holding improper jobs.

whereas in some specific culture, the daily life revolves around money, money, and money, for example, attending a wedding involves giving away money, attending funeral also involves giving away money, even attending birthday celebrations also involves giving away money.
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Guilty as charged on that last statement laugh.gif Chinese culture is mmg liddat lah... To loosely quote a comedian, "we even greet people 'gong xi fa cai' to celebrate our new year (lit. congratulations on prosperity)."

Human is complex and full of nuances, so there's always a spectrum/grey scale as opposed to black and white. Just as some women flock to men good with words despite their lack of financial stability, there are also divorces citing financial reasons, so I don't want to pretend as if money doesn't matter at all.
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Jun 13 2024, 08:59 AM)
don't forget about cultural differences

while i'm aware and I have experienced it myself with heartache on 'ada wang, ada amoi' (this is really true, even my wife said it), one should not overlook the cultural factors in play.

in some other cultures, you can clearly see couples getting married despite the husband holding improper jobs or those 3D jobs. If you speak to them, financial stability is not the most important trait to them.

And some women are clearly charmed by the wits of men who are good in sweet talking despite holding improper jobs.

whereas in some specific culture, the daily life revolves around money, money, and money, for example, attending a wedding involves giving away money, attending funeral also involves giving away money, even attending birthday celebrations also involves giving away money.
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I believe it’s more of an educational and values difference rather than an outright cultural bias. Certain financially successful people (eg doctors, since I obviously mix the most with these guys within my social circle) think in a certain similar (albeit not identical) manner and do so with a similar methodology - regardless of the cultural background they come from.

Sweet nothings will only get one so far… since it’s built on nothing, hence it’s got nothing to stand on.

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Seemed we have moved on from the actual TS issue..but since TS is MIA..

Anyhow here is my take on this money thing.

There are 3 things that men have that attracts a woman or if men dont have that turns girls off.

1. Physical: Looks, height, physique etc

2. Resources to share: wealth, income including future potential for the younger ones.

3. Personality: Charisma, confidence, mental frame, game etc.

Each has a scoring. All girls unconciously will score a guy on these items. Its also very subjective. A spoilt rich girl will have a different standard of resource compared to a B40 girl.

If a guy has a very strong score on one item, it can compensate for poor scores in the other 2. However, if a guy has good scores in all 3, he will have plenty of options.

My view is that a man can and should do thngs that improve all his 3 scores. It takes time and effort but this will make him to be not only more attractive to women but also a more succesful/happier man in life.

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A spoilt rich girl will have a different standard of resource compared to a B40 girl.
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Most females want to have fun (assuming if they make enough money for themselves), they're also girls who outright rejecting a guy based on his Instagram profile, I've fucked hot girls who seldom on social media and I was very poor that time there are many factors that can hold the attraction period

Money is not the sole factor
as I said, if a man has gone out to experience women a lot, he knows what I'm talking about
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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Jun 13 2024, 03:33 PM)
Most females want to have fun (assuming if they make enough money for themselves), they're also girls who outright rejecting a guy based on his Instagram profile, I've fucked hot girls who seldom on social media and I was very poor that time there are many factors that can hold the attraction period

Money is not the sole factor
as I said, if a man has gone out to experience women a lot, he knows what I'm talking about
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I may be mistaken, but for a moment there, I was given the impression that you think the number of girls you've scored is actually something to pin on your achievement list, like a scout's badge.

Wow... bar's set super low for some, I guess.
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Wow... bar's set super low for some, I guess.
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thats what a sjw claim.

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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Jun 13 2024, 04:39 PM)
thats what a sjw does
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Oh, really? I would have thought that's what any man with any other worthwhile achievement (financial, academic, professional, family etc) would think.

People often choose to focus on the only thing that they're good at, no matter how controversial or dubious, because they are devoid of any other worthwhile achievements.

Don't need to be a SJW to see that ... anyone with half a working brainstem and a functioning eyeball could tell you that.
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Oh, really? I would have thought that's what any man with any other worthwhile achievement (financial, academic, professional, family etc) would think.

People often choose to focus on the only thing that they're good at, no matter how controversial or dubious, because they are devoid of any other worthwhile achievements.

Don't need to be a SJW to see that ... anyone with half a working brainstem and a functioning eyeball could tell you that.
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just focus being a good family man then
why waste your time to reply?
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just focus being a good family man then
why waste your time to reply?
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Most females want to have fun (assuming if they make enough money for themselves), they're also girls who outright rejecting a guy based on his Instagram profile, I've fucked hot girls who seldom on social media and I was very poor that time there are many factors that can hold the attraction period

Money is not the sole factor
as I said, if a man has gone out to experience women a lot, he knows what I'm talking about
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Just as it's presumptuous of us to say you will want a long term relationship, it is also presumptuous of you to think "most women want to have fun".

Remember that this topic is about readiness for marriage. What you're telling me from your statement of bedding many hot girls, is not that you're a good boyfriend or husband, but more like you're good at bed... which, I guess that's true if you're not ghosted after first time, but I don't want to know anyway).

You may be right when it comes to initial attraction, that money isn't the main point (heck, anyone who talks about money on first date would be a red flag). However, all that amounts to nothing when it comes to marriage or along the lines of long term commitments. Anyhow, I guess you helped other readers who agree with you that they are also as unprepared for marriage as you.
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QUOTE(Takudan @ Jun 13 2024, 10:31 PM)
Just as it's presumptuous of us to say you will want a long term relationship, it is also presumptuous of you to think "most women want to have fun".

Remember that this topic is about readiness for marriage. What you're telling me from your statement of bedding many hot girls, is not that you're a good boyfriend or husband, but more like you're good at bed... which, I guess that's true if you're not ghosted after first time, but I don't want to know anyway).

You may be right when it comes to initial attraction, that money isn't the main point (heck, anyone who talks about money on first date would be a red flag). However, all that amounts to nothing when it comes to marriage or along the lines of long term commitments. Anyhow, I guess you helped other readers who agree with you that they are also as unprepared for marriage as you.
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As I said, his inability to process and synthesise possibilities beyond his own limited paradigmatic boundaries (ie some men or women could be looking for more than just a fling) is demonstrative of a lack of a critical mind and, the corollary of that failing, an outright shallowness in thinking.

I find it both fascinating and rather sad that he is blinded by his glaring foible and mistakes his ignorance for self confidence.
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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Jun 12 2024, 03:26 PM)
confidence is tree roots
money is just the fruit on trees
without solid tree roots how to have healthy tea leaves or fruits

see where's the source coming from

money and status are just an element that amplifies who you're as a person,

Its fundamentally not money who makes you confident, we've seen good looking or slightly rich people are pussy when it comes to interacting with people. They're stifled with their material success and not aggressive or polarizing. You will see black pill community that claim "make money then women will come to you"

Its an excuse, womanisers who have been in the field will disagree
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If you only got energy/resources to focus on either be rich or be a casanova which path would you take ?

Both are desirable resources of men.
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If you only got energy/resources to focus on either be rich or be a casanova which path would you take ?

Both are desirable resources of men.
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deviate based on own age and experiences
if a guy is in his early 20s, of course going out every single day, no problem if you able to manage time properly

the worse thing is to sit at home and cry about why most women wouldnt fuck you
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As I said, his inability to process and synthesise possibilities beyond his own limited paradigmatic boundaries (ie some men or women could be looking for more than just a fling) is demonstrative of a lack of a critical mind and, the corollary of that failing, an outright shallowness in thinking.

I find it both fascinating and rather sad that he is blinded by his glaring foible and mistakes his ignorance for self confidence.
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the ability to be interesting and interested is a skillset
not just making money and be a work slave
find a life balance
Im sure you dont want all your attention put onto kids only
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the ability to be interesting and interested is a skillset
not just making money and be a work slave
find a life balance
Im sure you dont want all your attention put onto kids only
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Ah, the presumptuous mind of an immature thinker.

Who said anything about needing to be a work slave to make the kind of money I am making or talking about?

And so many other incorrect assumptions of an inept mind of an incompetent man…
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Ah, the presumptuous mind of an immature thinker.

Who said anything about needing to be a work slave to make the kind of money I am making or talking about?

And so many other incorrect assumptions of an inept mind of an incompetent man…
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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Jun 15 2024, 08:04 PM)
deviate based on own age and experiences
if a guy is in his early 20s, of course going out every single day, no problem if you able to manage time properly

the worse thing is to sit at home and cry about why most women wouldnt fuck you
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Somehow you did not answer my question on the choice of which resources to better focus on in building up a skillset.

Each path of mastery required time and effort, you cant be good with women or earn money in your 30s/40s without first focusing your energy and time building up your skillset during the 20s.

Its not like you play the field and go pick up girls every weekend during your 20s and by the time you hit 30s you suddenly say ok im done and you want build up your career or a business with your approaching women skill that you learn earlier. Unless your career is open a pua academy or recruit women for of /porn.

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very sien have to repeat myself to this kind of rigid old man
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Oh, there’s no need for you to keep singing the same song. Because the more you try to explain yourself or your ‘philosophy’, the more it sounds like you’re trying to convince yourself.

But I appreciate the civility and the evenhanded response you’ve shown so far. It’s a good start to meaningful discourse.
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Somehow you did not answer my question on the choice of which resources to better focus on in building up a skillset.

Each path of mastery required time and effort, you cant be good with women or earn money in your 30s/40s without first focusing your energy and time building up your skillset during the 20s.

Its not like you play the field and go pick up girls every weekend during your 20s and by the time you hit 30s you suddenly say ok im done and you want build up your career or a business with your approaching women skill that you learn earlier. Unless your career is open a pua academy or recruit women for of /porn.
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Everybody can do sales, but can they sleep with tons and quality of females if you put two guys with similar 'hard' values together. Of course skills do matter when it comes to leverage

If sales did not work, you market yourself blindly also useless.
Most human beings are susceptible to manipulation and temptation no matter how intelligent and logical he or she is.

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What did I just read above?!?!
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jun 15 2024, 11:24 PM)
Somehow you did not answer my question on the choice of which resources to better focus on in building up a skillset.

Each path of mastery required time and effort, you cant be good with women or earn money in your 30s/40s without first focusing your energy and time building up your skillset during the 20s.

Its not like you play the field and go pick up girls every weekend during your 20s and by the time you hit 30s you suddenly say ok im done and you want build up your career or a business with your approaching women skill that you learn earlier. Unless your career is open a pua academy or recruit women for of /porn.
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Personally, I think you should balance both.

Building your career is important for your future, with or without a partner. Along the way, surely you work with people, so take the opportunity to mingle with colleagues and befriend those you click with. I found it easier to befriend non-single opposite gender to understand them better + practise talking to them, without getting into any awkward misunderstanding/mixed signals.

Whenever you have the spare energy, then find your date outside work and hope for the best meanwhile learn about yourself.

If your work isn't giving you any opportunity to hone your social skills, then consider changing job to work with people. Socialising is an improve-able skillset and will rust if you don't train your brain to read situations and people.

As for doing the deed to gain experience... Well, personally I think saving it to do it with someone who really matters is beautiful in a way. You'll both fumble and it'll be awkward but at least you'll both want to improve for the sake of the other, you'll talk and work it out together.
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I got my then classmate, later girlfriend and now long suffering wife interested because I was the apparently the brightest bulb in the box back at school.

She was apparently the second brightest, so it wasn’t enough with mere appearances since all of us could break a buffet spread and not gain an ounce at that age, and certainly wasn’t about the money since all of us were as broke as we were skinny as students.

After all these years, we still find ourselves engaging in intellectual discourse and philosophical discussions over local and international affairs.

And we still enjoy it.

Sapiosexuals are a rare breed, but that’s what made us click.
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Personally, I think you should balance both.

Building your career is important for your future, with or without a partner. Along the way, surely you work with people, so take the opportunity to mingle with colleagues and befriend those you click with. I found it easier to befriend non-single opposite gender to understand them better + practise talking to them, without getting into any awkward misunderstanding/mixed signals.

Whenever you have the spare energy, then find your date outside work and hope for the best meanwhile learn about yourself.

If your work isn't giving you any opportunity to hone your social skills, then consider changing job to work with people. Socialising is an improve-able skillset and will rust if you don't train your brain to read situations and people.

As for doing the deed to gain experience... Well, personally I think saving it to do it with someone who really matters is beautiful in a way. You'll both fumble and it'll be awkward but at least you'll both want to improve for the sake of the other, you'll talk and work it out together.
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This is sound advice for the average person, but Im asking him cause i want to understand his thought process.

From earlier replies it seemed he placed ability in mastering girls / body count supersede all else and even financial resource become negligible.

But i do think an all well rounder approach is still the best, but those kind of advice might be labelled sjw or blue pilled.

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jun 16 2024, 03:35 PM)
This is sound advice for the average person, but Im asking him cause i want to understand his thought process.

From earlier replies it seemed he placed ability in mastering girls /  body count supersede all else and even financial resource become negligible.

But i do think an all well rounder approach is still the best, but those kind of advice might be labelled sjw or blue pilled.
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...Oh. Yeah well I think you're one of us now, fellow "SJW" tongue.gif

I guess he's lost it when he said
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The more he tries to justify himself, the worse it looks for him in a subforum that isn't about body counting 🤷‍♀️

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QUOTE(Takudan @ Jun 16 2024, 04:17 PM)
...Oh. Yeah well I think you're one of us now, fellow "SJW" tongue.gif

I guess he's lost it when he said

The more he tries to justify himself, the worse it looks for him in a subforum that isn't about body counting 🤷‍♀️
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Couldn't have said it any better ... like I said, the more he tries to explain/justify, the more it seems he's trying hard to convince himself that somehow, somewhere, what he does and how he does it inexplicably carries some unfathomable meaning for him.

Because it certainly doesn't for me.

 

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