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TShoonanoo
post Aug 24 2023, 08:51 AM, updated 3y ago

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if let say you go for an interview for a job, you may 50/50 want.

supposed the co A offer you job role, verbally, agree to give 20% pay increase.

you decided to tell them to wait give about 3-4 working days for you to decided to sign the contract.

Meanwhile, you text to your big boss and tell him you want to resign, you are going to tender officially, but you want to see him first to discuss. you tell him that you need to see him urgently as the other side is offering you a better job role and you have 2-3 days to decide.

then you see him, you tell him, bla bla bla, that you served the co so long but you felt lack of job opportunities, then you tell him that you want a promotion and 40% pay increase, better job exposure.

if scenario A, he says yes, you stay
If scenario B, he says no, you say thank you, and go to Co A and sign contract.

what do you guys think of this tactic?
I don't think its a good idea to sign contract with Co A, then negotiate, else afterwards the Co A can take legal action, and even if they don't, you become blacklisted.

Why I think of this idea? Some may say accept Co A offer lah afterall you are unhappy at current place.
Answer: true true, but if you think about it, if I go to Co A, I still have to go through probation and that is risky. I got family to support, I can't afford to take that risk. I go for interview, everything looks ok, check the co background and ask around. But that's at face value, you never know when you join, suddenly your new boss is an asshole or co suddenly delegate another boss to you and not the interviewer instead. Whereas at current workplace, I been here for 6 years, I know the flow, the sop, the culture, know the boss working style, so I easily fit into a promotion position (if offered).

This post has been edited by hoonanoo: Aug 24 2023, 08:53 AM
TShoonanoo
post Aug 24 2023, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(toiletwater @ Aug 24 2023, 09:03 AM)
I had a team member do this. I got my bosses consent to counteroffer 30% higher. But I told him that the HR letter for the pay increase will only be made available if he can let me have a 3-second glimpse on the 30% stated in the offer letter (He wasn't that good of a coder, 15 % at most). He couldn't produce it.

He ultimately left and joined the other firm.
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Actually the team member have the right not to show you.


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post Aug 24 2023, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(netken @ Aug 24 2023, 09:09 AM)
nowadays - some offering company won't give you the offer letter, as they know you will use it to go back and request for counteroffer.

offering company may just let you have a copy when you are there to sign on the spot. current companies may also ask for a copy to sight, if not they wont counteroffer.

so depend on what type of companies you currenty are dealing with.
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some of them email the offer letter.

but regardless, if the current co want to see your offer letter in order to justify increase your current pay, you mind as well leave for new co.
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post Aug 25 2023, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Aug 25 2023, 09:44 AM)
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So to summarize, you want to stay in current company but trying to nego for revise in salary.

It is like you table down but before you do that, consider how much of a valued employee you are and how much lower you're being paid compared to the market rate out there.

1. If you're a big contributor to the company and you've got a pretty pivotal role in the department - ie. some sort of skills that's harder to replace, or you've been around so much/ so long to solve a lot of company issues and the company find it difficult to find a replacement for your role, then by all means give it a shot.

2. If you're really underpaid or merely hitting the low/ near mid range of the average market salary bracket (and you KNOW the company could pay higher), it may be a risk worth taking.

Best case scenario is that you're both #1 and #2 serving this company. Your success rate is higher in negotiating for what you want.

Because otherwise, there's a good 50% chance they're willing to let you go even if you show them the other company's offer letter. If you're someone holding a role with common or medium skill, whereby the manager/ HR may find it no issue to get a replacement - then this is a risky move for you. They may even think its not a bad idea to replace you with someone fresh to get in new ideas or bring additional skills/ value to the dept. It is troublesome to train people, but if you've got some bad habits that they're not happy with, they may welcome the idea that you're voluntarily leaving.

So when you present another offer letter in the negotiation, be ready to fight for what you want (tell them why you deserve the salary revision, what you can contribute more to the company if they give you what you want) and at the same time, also be ready to pack up & leave.

You'll know your situation better.
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precisely, i am ready to ship out if they say no to my counter offer request.

I am doing this because:

1. I just want to try my luck
2. I know the risks involved in moving to new co, if something didn't turned out what I expected, for eg, new boss turned out to be tyrant or suddenly co not doing well due to shockwave from economy, my new probation may be affected.
3. Being able to get counter offer and stay - means I know the culture, i know the people, I know the job. So I wouldn't need to go new place and relearn everything all over again. I fit there like a glove albeit higher pay.
4. I am not the first who does this tactic. A few has done it and success and some not success and left for greenier pastures. Or maybe not, because i know some went to new place, turned out to be night mare.
5. The co is having a staff hiring freeze. So if I leave, no new headcount. So the bosses are scrambling to keep what headcount they can, so maybe a counter offer with insurance outside may twist their hands to accept.


 

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