QUOTE(carvajal18 @ Aug 21 2023, 09:44 AM)
Nah I disagree that you saying EV futuristics looks, not all though.. there are someone that platform comes from original Petrol variant and convert to EV.
Roadtax was mention by Minister of transport that price will definitely cheaper than petrol, we just have to wait and see by end of the year.
Hidden cost as in? Battery warranty 8 years, drive train depend on brand, some 8 some 5.. lesser parts means lesser problem no?
installation 10k more also depending like what you say, I'm not sure if you in the Malaysian Electric Vehicle owner group on facebook, plenty of owner who dont even have home charger and relies on public charging, works fine for them too.
I mean the list goes on, if you against it there will be plenty of excuse if you love it there is nothing stopping you from getting one.
Just saying,its your choices your money. Good luck!

comparison of slightly similar size and price SUV
PriceOra Good Cat 400 Pro - RM 139,800
BYD Atto 3 SR - RM149,800
HRV V - RM 135,900
Corolla Cross GR - RM 141,290
I chose highest possible ICE without hybrid, vs similar priced EV, assuming consumer looking at solely price point / budget perspective.
Dimensions (LxWxHxWB)Ora Good Cat 400 Pro - 4235 x 1825 x 1596 x 2650
BYD Atto 3 SR - 4455 x 1875 x 1615 x 2720
HRV V - 4385 x 1790 x 1590 x 2610
Corolla Cross GR - 4450 x 1825 x 1620 x 2640
All of them is similar sized.
RoadtaxOra Good Cat 400 Pro - RM287 (exempted till 2025)
BYD Atto 3 SR - RM903 (exempted till 2025)
HRV V - RM120
Corolla Cross GR - RM360
Unless there is a change in EV roadtax calculation, EV roadtax will be a lot more expensive compared to ICE.
TiresOra Good Cat 400 Pro - GitiComfort 225 v1 (215/50R18) | (cannot find 215/50R18 from same seller, so chose the closest size, 245/45R18) Michelin Primacy 4 ST RM755 / pc
BYD Atto 3 SR - Atlas Batman A51 (215/60R17) | Michelin Primacy 4 RM 575 / pc
HRV V - Continental UC6 (225/50R18) RM490 / pc | Michelin Primacy 4 RM670 / pc
Corolla Cross GR - Toyo Tires Proxes GR1 (225/50R18) (245/45R18 RM487/pc) | Michelin Primacy 4 RM670 / pc
If one wants to leverage max benefit of an EV, they should get
EV tires, but it is difficult to look for EV tires pricing currently, due to low demand. EV tires such as Michelin Pilot Sport EV / Pirelli P Zero Elect / Continental PremiumContact 6 with ContiSilent. For better illustration, someone replaced their Continental PremiumContact 6 255/45R20 tyre with ContiSilent for him RM2,412 while standard non-ContiSilent would go for around RM1300-1400 range.
Take this info with a pinch of salt, because tire pricing is just a very rough estimation. I try to get the same pricing from same seller so that at least we can get the relative pricing.
Running costOra Good Cat 400 Pro - 400km (NEDC) => 320km (80% of NEDC) & 47.79 kWh
(Assuming charge from 30% -> 80% and will use 50% range for calculation,
using
starbucks 60kW charger, RM1.2 * 23.9kWh = RM28.68 =>
17.92c/km,
Gentari 50kW-180kW charger, RM1.5 * 23.9kWh = RM35.85 =>
22.41c/km,
TNB 80kW charger, RM2.05/min * 32min = RM65.6 =>
41c/km).
Assuming home AC 6.6 kW 1-phase charger, 30->80% will take 3.6hr, and assuming 1400km/mth, will need charge 8.75 cycles, 8.75 * 3.6 = 31.5 kWh/mthAssuming 80%->30% can run for 160km, and assuming you need to charge 8.75 cycles to run 1400km, 8.75*23.9kWh = 209.125kWh/month
if your bill is <RM17.82/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 209.125*RM0.314 = RM 65.67/mth =>
4.66c/kmif your bill is >RM17.82/mth & <RM115.64/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 209.125*RM0.496 = RM 103.73/mth =>
7.41c/kmif your bill is >RM115.64/mth & <RM269.98/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 209.125*RM0.526 = RM 110/mth =>
7.86c/kmif your bill is >RM269.98/mth & <RM924.69/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 209.125*RM0.551 = RM 115.23/mth =>
8.23c/kmif your bill is >RM924.69/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 209.125*RM0.671 = RM 140.32/mth =>
10.02c/kmBYD Atto 3 SR - 410km (NEDC) => 328km (80% of NEDC) & 49.92 kWh
(Assuming charge from 0% -> 80% and will use 80% range for calculation,
using
starbucks 60kW charger, RM1.2 * 39.9kWh = RM47.88 =>
18.25c/km,
Gentari 50kW-180kW charger, RM1.5 * 39.9kWh = RM59.85 =>
22.8c/km,
TNB 80kW charger, RM2.05/min * 45min = RM92.25 =>
35.16c/km)
Assuming home AC 7 kW 1-phase charger, 30->80% will take 3.6hr, and assuming 1400km/mth, will need charge 8.54 cycles, 8.54 * 3.6 = 30.74 kWh/mthAssuming 80%->30% can run for 164km, and assuming you need to charge 8.54 cycles to run 1400km, 8.54*24.95kWh = 213.07kWh/month
if your bill is <RM17.23/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 213.07*RM0.314 = RM 66.9/mth =>
4.78c/kmif your bill is >RM17.23/mth & <RM114.15/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 213.07*RM0.496 = RM 105.68/mth =>
7.55c/kmif your bill is >RM114.15/mth & <RM268.31/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 213.07*RM0.526 = RM 112.08/mth =>
8c/kmif your bill is >RM268.31/mth & <RM924.69/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 213.07*RM0.551 = RM 117.4/mth =>
8.39c/kmif your bill is >RM924.69/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 213.07*RM0.671 = RM 142.97/mth =>
10.21c/kmHRV V - 15.4km/L 40L => 12.3km/L (80%) & 32L & max realistic range around 392km &
16.7c / km (using ron95 Rm2.05)
Corolla Cross GR - 15km/L Paultan tested figure of mixed driving & 47L => 15km/L & 37.6L & max realistic range of 564km &
13.7c / km (using ron95 Rm2.05)
We all know ICE car rated fuel consumption is overly optimistic, so i will take 20% discount from the claimed figure. I will also take 80% of the fuel tank as well, cause we rarely drive till the tank is empty. For EV, will take WLTP figures, or -20% if non-WLTP.
(if you are using AC charger at home, my neighbor asked the installation cost from the event at setia alam convention center recently and was quoted slightly more than RM10k with the power pole right in front of our house, but I think this figure is a little unbelievable for most people since the online article says much cheaper. i think best for you to refer to those FB groups that installed it at their home) Carput website says The cost for an EV Charger typically ranges from RM3,000 – RM5,900 for a 7kW depending on the brand and type (socket/tethered) of the chargers. As for our installation service, the price starts from RM1,200 – RM1,800 depending on the cable length and the installation method required. We will conduct a test on your distribution box and check on your electrical components before we proceed to install. So you can look at RM 4.2k - 7.7k if you trust online resources)
You will notice that the cost is SIGNIFICANTLY lower for AC charging (if my math is correct), mainly because DC charging gives you the "convenience" of fast charging, and the facility installation by the company. on the other hand, AC charging is alot cheaper because it is slow, and you need to pay the upfront cost of the wallbox and also the cable length installation. I will not do the calculation that include the wall charger because i do not have a reliable figure unless I go ask for quotes)
MaintenanceI will not go into breakdown of components because it's hard to predict which component will go bad. in ICE, there are a lot of engine components that have potential to go bad within 5 years, such as engine mount, car batteries, spark plugs, engine oil, transmission oil, radiators/cooling coil if you don't take care of it. While the EV only have the motor and the battery and it is more likely that the battery needs replacement more than the motor itself. Even then, it is not expected for them to require replacement within 5 years. so i will assume EV car have no maintenance costs short of wear and tear parts which are shared with ICE, such as tires (mentioned above), suspension system. Check with BYD / Ora owner for the service schedule becuase I can't find it online although other countries mentioned needed to replace the drivetrain coolant, while the manual says there is a schedule to follow but it was not stated what was the schedule.
Honda HR-V V- RM 3982.8 / 5yr
Corolla Cross GR - RM 4090 / 5yr if service based on the advance schedule
Here I have listed down the comparison for you all to have a look. I clarify again, i am not for nor against EV. Just find it a little annoyed when people keep saying the flowery aspect of things and not giving the full picture. Like people will sing praises for proton SUV being affordable, but never take into account the replacement of that huge SUV tires. for expensive cars like BMW, we don't talk about the tire size but when you talking about cars with <RM150k, those market group that purchase these cars, do not have a lot of excess cash to spend on car maintenance. Heck, I know many ppl that break up the major service so that the total cost for that service can be spread into 2 different service session.
I too considered getting an EV for my mom as her daily ride, hence I was trying to understand the cost and ownership experience of an EV. If I have enough funds, I would get an EV because my mom usage is suitable for EV, and I already have a family car meant for highway cruisiing, so I just needed a city ride. But I have a family to take care and already paying installment for the family car, so my mom's EV will have to wait.
diff people diff priorities. that is why we have different cars meant for diff target market. But what I am trying to advocate here is, take a look at the big picture, and see if it really suits you, because it will really sucks when you buy into a car, listening to all the good stuff, and realize the car has some major deal breaker after using it.
for me, i always look into the bad points first (i think you see it as excuses), and then i judge, "can i live with this?" "will the good stuff from this car, make me overlook these bad points?"
if yes, i buy. if not, i skip. It's more than love that counts if you have a limited budget.
If i talk solely on love, i would have bought hyundai i30n back then, and live on bread for 10 years. or buy the hyundai sonata (new/used despite the global market already said they are axing this model due to low popularity) or even buy the proton inspira when I couldn't prudently afford it.
Update: recalculated the ac costs cause i made a mistake in calculation. Also took into account for the ICPT rebate and surcharge, which is why the final tier had a jump in pricing. Do understand that the calculation is complex and I'm assuming you owning the car, doesn't throw you to the next rate bracket. If you are in between brackets, the calculation will be different (costing between the current tier and next). Also if you drive more or less than 1400km/mth, the calculation will be different as well (cause usage changed, and the amount needed to go to next tier changes and etc)
This post has been edited by tctham: Aug 23 2023, 11:01 AM