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post Aug 17 2023, 12:25 AM, updated 3y ago

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Hello all, I plan to get the Chery Omoda 5 next year. Few reasons I wait until next year to buy is because firstly I'm not in a rush, want to see what other says about the car after driving for a year, secondly to make sure if I really want to buy it.

Anyway, Omoda 5 just so happens to have every features and technology of my dream car, which would costs around 200k+, and also fits in with my budget, also with Omoda 5, it costs more than half the price, but my main questions remains..

- Is it a reliable car that would lasts me years to come without any big major issues ? ( I saw someone saying he drove Chery for 20+ years, and the only thing he changed was gearbox )

- Is the quality ( interior ) for example the leather, the stitching, the technology etc legit decent quality ?

Other questions would be more general, is it worth to get at the price of 120+ OTR ( High spec ) ? Appreciate all kinds of advice and feedback.
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post Aug 17 2023, 12:29 AM

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What will you expect from a China brand car?

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post Aug 17 2023, 01:01 AM

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Low spec 108k is enuf. And you might want to wait for proton s50 sedan.
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Good car, tho’ its after sales service/support/spare part are yet to be seen
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Hello all, I plan to get the Chery Omoda 5 next year. Few reasons I wait until next year to buy is because firstly I'm not in a rush, want to see what other says about the car after driving for a year.
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Come back and check again next year. You'll get more information of the ownership experience from other owners.
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post Aug 17 2023, 08:08 AM

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Maybe give another 1 or 2 years.

Like X70 so many after sales service issues on
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I test drive their Tiggo 8 pro. Interior is basically copy paste Merz interior for most part. Good NVH, the DCT is not slow like Geely tuned DCT.
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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Aug 17 2023, 12:29 AM)
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come on bro.. still with that sentiment? can't let go of the past? not everything China made is sheit..

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QUOTE(Sotsotzaii @ Aug 17 2023, 01:25 AM)
- Is it a reliable car that would lasts me years to come without any big major issues ? ( I saw someone saying he drove Chery for 20+ years, and the only thing he changed was gearbox )

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Early batch Chery using Mitsubishi engine & gearbox, they have move on now. I personally knew 1 friend own and driven Chery car and his feedback is there are a lot of cheap/low quality plastic material which did not last long and easy to brittle/break after warranty ends (After 5 years be prepare). Not sure if now got improvement, but 1 reason he sold his ride is also due to long waiting time for spare parts.

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QUOTE(babisotong @ Aug 17 2023, 09:22 AM)
come on bro.. still with that sentiment?  can't let go of the past? not everything China made is sheit..
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the sentiment will be there unless they can proof to the world that they improved
no spare part thing is a big worry - even X50 X70 also have these headaches eventhought they are produced in MY and by Proton

warranrt thing - they can promise you many things, but when warranty comes, no spare parts and your car will be in workshop for monhs.
I rather wait and see this happens or not before committing myself to China made cars for time being.

for other electronics, if any issue at least I can just dump it and buy a new one but car investment is for longer period, cannot get rid easily
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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Aug 17 2023, 09:58 AM)
the sentiment will be there unless they can proof to the world that they improved
no spare part thing is a big worry - even X50 X70 also have these headaches eventhought they are produced in MY and by Proton

warranrt thing - they can promise you many things, but when warranty comes, no spare parts and your car will be in workshop for monhs.
I rather wait and see this happens or not before committing myself to China made cars for time being.

for other electronics, if any issue at least I can just dump it and buy a new one but car investment is for longer period, cannot get rid easily
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Currently using x70 ckd, the parts issues only happening during covid/mco time. Nowadays almost all resolved. No more issue. For warranty claim, as usual sc send request to HQ for approval and it take 2-4 weeks, usually 2 weeks already part arrived

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 17 2023, 10:00 AM)
Currently using x70 ckd, the parts issues only happening during covid/mco time. Nowadays almost all resolved. No more issue. For warranty claim, as usual sc send request to HQ for approval and it take 2-4 weeks, usually 2 weeks already part arrived
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good to know.
that is after how many years they produce the model here? hahaha

so Cherry just came in, you expect they will be better?
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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Aug 17 2023, 10:05 AM)
good to know.
that is after how many years they produce the model here? hahaha

so Cherry just came in, you expect they will be better?
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chill bro, give them a chance.. what with all the hate.

"Chery Malaysia inks spare parts warehousing and transportation agreement with Tiong Nam Logistics"
"https://<link removed>/2023/06/23/chery-malaysia-inks-spare-parts-warehousing-and-transportation-agreement-with-tiong-nam-logistics/"

give them a chance bruh..
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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Aug 17 2023, 10:05 AM)
good to know.
that is after how many years they produce the model here? hahaha

so Cherry just came in, you expect they will be better?
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All brand affected during covid. Well my family cx5 takes 1 month plus for bearing replacement under warranty last time around MCO. 9k km already claimed rear wheel bearing. B4 that Steering clock spring. All of this giving unpleasant ride and rattling inside, luckily the Glenmarie SC Body & Paint technician resolved all for the car.
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worth it to get the top spec for all the extra features

quality wise hard to say as its completely new comapred to their old models

only time can tell if it can tahan our abuse for at least 5 years otr
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Thanks for all the valued advice and feedback, hope to hear more of it !

Getting back to the spare parts and warranty issues, apparently for JB area at least, spare parts have already arrived at Chery 4S center at Medini Iskandar by Tiong Nam. So I don’t think we will be seeing any issues with spare parts, but still, to be observe.

Warranty I have no idea, hence im going to wait for a period of 1 year to see how everything unfold.

And yes, proton and even Volvo ( which is my dream car ) is actually taken over by China company, so to have that China made will explode etc mentality, is all in the past. Let’s see how they do with the Omoda 5 and Tiggo this time around.

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only time will tell, everything else is just speculation

maybe an indication is how they handle their brand in places where they are more established (guess only in mainland?? not sure)
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Can I understand why you would opt for the Chery Omoda 5 ?
Can you settle with other alternative within same price point -- Honda HRV ? Toyota Corolla Cross V ?
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QUOTE(ssmui @ Aug 17 2023, 12:53 PM)
Can I understand why you would opt for the Chery Omoda 5 ?
Can you settle with other alternative within same price point -- Honda HRV ?  Toyota Corolla Cross V ?
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Have u try HM model? Later u get answers why some doesn't want using them
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QUOTE(ssmui @ Aug 17 2023, 12:53 PM)
Can I understand why you would opt for the Chery Omoda 5 ?
Can you settle with other alternative within same price point -- Honda HRV ?  Toyota Corolla Cross V ?
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Well, you should probably watch car reviews on these 3 type of cars, then you will know why most people would choose the Omoda 5 over these 2 brands. Whether it's China or German made, from the car reviews 10 out of 10 says their interior quality is legit high quality stuff, quality that you only find in cars that costs 200-300k.

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QUOTE(Sotsotzaii @ Aug 17 2023, 12:25 AM)
- Is the quality ( interior ) for example the leather, the stitching, the technology etc legit decent quality ?
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Here’s the thing about interiors. There’s a term called “fit & finish” that’s used a lot by auto journalists but almost none of them apply it correctly. Most only look at finish and ignore fit, which is understandable because they only have the car for a short time, so it’s easier to judge finish by looking at first glance but harder to judge fit because it takes a long time to realize if everything is screwed together properly.

Rule of thumb - if you see a lot of premium materials techy features in a car priced way below the median for a car with those features, it’s likely compromises were made in their assembly or durability. This applies to cars from any country, not just China. A lot of German cars also suffer from this “superficial premium” syndrome.

Let’s be realistic here. Our currency is worth toilet paper and anyone building cars for us will need to cut costs somewhere. Why do you think CKD Toyotas have the worst stereo systems or CKD Hondas have virtually zero sound insulation materials? It’s not just CKD. Even when importing, the manufacturer will judge how much they can get away with for the market price they’re selling to us. You think those Teslas that are going to be sold here will be the same quality as Teslas sold in Japan or Australia even if the specs are listed as the same and come out of the same factory?

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QUOTE(dev/numb @ Aug 17 2023, 04:02 PM)
Here’s the thing about interiors. There’s a term called “fit & finish” that’s used a lot by auto journalists but almost none of them apply it correctly. Most only look at finish and ignore fit, which is understandable because they only have the car for a short time, so it’s easier to judge finish by looking at first glance but harder to judge fit because it takes a long time to realize if everything is screwed together properly.

Rule of thumb - if you see a lot of premium materials techy features in a car priced way below the median for a car with those features, it’s likely compromises were made in their assembly or durability. This applies to cars from any country, not just China. A lot of German cars also suffer from this “superficial premium” syndrome.

Let’s be realistic here. Our currency is worth toilet paper and anyone building cars for us will need to cut costs somewhere. Why do you think CKD Toyotas have the worst stereo systems or CKD Hondas have virtually zero sound insulation materials? It’s not just CKD. Even when importing, the manufacturer will judge how much they can get away with for the market price they’re selling to us. You think those Teslas that are going to be sold here will be the same quality as Teslas sold in Japan or Australia even if the specs are listed as the same and come out of the same factory?
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I agree with you on every aspect. Surely what you pay is what you get, I think that phrase is suitable to be use in this situation.

Of course, this car only costs 120+ at the highest, and we get much more than what we paid, so the only thing that comes down to this is whether or not, the quality will withstand time / wear and tear. I'm definitely not expecting the Omoda 5's interior quality to be like Mercedes S Class, but at least, amongst it's category, it should stand out as one of the best value in money for a car you can get, I suppose ?
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Many people will be obsessed by the look of the interior or exterior of the vehicle . Just like Omoda 5 got a good looking exterior and interior. But one of the upmost important things will be the reliability and after sales service. Will the spare parts easy to get or need to wait for months that still remain a question. As we all know Chery been disappear in Malaysia market for years. So whoever buying Chery need to put their hard earn money to bet on it

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QUOTE(popmaster22 @ Aug 18 2023, 12:05 AM)
Many people will  be obsessed by the look of the interior or exterior of the vehicle . Just like Omoda 5 got a good looking exterior and interior. But one of the upmost important things will be the reliability and after sales service. Will the spare parts easy to get or need to wait for months that still remain a question. As we all know Chery been disappear in Malaysia market for years. So whoever buying Chery need to put their hard earn money to bet on it
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I've seen some videos that Chery SA uploaded for Johor area, their 4S service center in Medini have already gotten stocks for all kinds of spare part for the Omoda 5, but yeah, just wait for a year and we'll have the answers that we are looking for. For now, still too early to say, but the prospect looks good at least, for now.
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QUOTE(Sotsotzaii @ Aug 17 2023, 02:37 PM)
Well, you should probably watch car reviews on these 3 type of cars, then you will know why most people would choose the Omoda 5 over these 2 brands. Whether it's China or German made, from the car reviews 10 out of 10 says their interior quality is legit high quality stuff, quality that you only find in cars that costs 200-300k.
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Buying a car is not about accessories stuff, you need to consider others also like driving feel (got good handing features or not?), safety features (ADAS?), reliability. A lot of those reviews only will talk about the good, but bad will let the owner find it out later.. tongue.gif

Accessories stuff are cheap nowadays, but the R&D spend on the chassis, safety features, engine & gearbox is not easy to copy from major manufactures.
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A lot of those reviews only will talk about the good, but bad will let the owner find it out later..  tongue.gif 
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Most reviewers cari makan maa.. they won't talk about the bad stuff and usually sugarcoat things so that they can get more cars to review from car manufacturers later.

if not, become like Bobby where honda ban kaw him.
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QUOTE(popmaster22 @ Aug 18 2023, 12:05 AM)
Many people will  be obsessed by the look of the interior or exterior of the vehicle . Just like Omoda 5 got a good looking exterior and interior. But one of the upmost important things will be the reliability and after sales service. Will the spare parts easy to get or need to wait for months that still remain a question. As we all know Chery been disappear in Malaysia market for years. So whoever buying Chery need to put their hard earn money to bet on it
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I tend to skip any car with CVT gb. Especially in my case, the car will gain high mileage. Cvt will lost it life heading high mileage usually even with proper cvt oil change comparison to normal Auto and wet clutch DCT.
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QUOTE(overfloe @ Aug 18 2023, 09:23 AM)
Most reviewers cari makan maa.. they won't talk about the bad stuff and usually sugarcoat things so that they can get more cars to review from car manufacturers later.

if not, become like Bobby where honda ban kaw him.
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why honda ban him?
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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Aug 17 2023, 12:29 AM)
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 17 2023, 01:12 PM)
Have u try HM model? Later u get answers why some doesn't want using them
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QUOTE(Sotsotzaii @ Aug 17 2023, 01:37 PM)
Well, you should probably watch car reviews on these 3 type of cars, then you will know why most people would choose the Omoda 5 over these 2 brands. Whether it's China or German made, from the car reviews 10 out of 10 says their interior quality is legit high quality stuff, quality that you only find in cars that costs 200-300k.
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take the review with pinch of salt
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QUOTE(rumahwip @ Aug 18 2023, 10:00 AM)
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Poor NVH, poor part and finishing and make rattling. Need to put card/tissue on that to reduce the rattling sound. Send SC said normal, factory already approved this. Cut cost for sound insulation is totally no go.
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Some would say not to expect much from China made cars in terms of their quality both exterior and interior, gearbox etc.

But the truth is, most reputable car brands like H / T / Local brands, their quality are far worse.

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both brands relying on past repo . for a to b, they are good
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QUOTE(Sotsotzaii @ Aug 18 2023, 11:34 AM)
Some would say not to expect much from China made cars in terms of their quality both exterior and interior, gearbox etc.

But the truth is, most reputable car brands like H / T / Local brands, their quality are far worse.
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I think it's not really far worse, but more like. No guarantee. If you unlucky, you can get pretty bad ownership experience with non-china cars these day too. QC for jap makes are not like yesteryear.

Toyota used to be associated with reliability, but that's not a guaranteed these days
China car used to be associated with cheap fit and finishing, that is no longer the case too

What has it going for chery (and some other china makes like gwm) is that the manufacturer is backing the cars themselves here, as opposed to relying on distributorship. Msia distributors funny lot. Dun put effort on after sales.

But that being said, chery still a bit new here. If I'm in your shoes, I'll monitor for a year or 2 first.
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QUOTE(tctham @ Aug 18 2023, 12:43 PM)
I think it's not really far worse, but more like. No guarantee. If you unlucky, you can get pretty bad ownership experience with non-china cars these day too. QC for jap makes are not like yesteryear.

Toyota used to be associated with reliability, but that's not a guaranteed these days
China car used to be associated with cheap fit and finishing, that is no longer the case too

What has it going for chery (and some other china makes like gwm) is that the manufacturer is backing the cars themselves here, as opposed to relying on distributorship. Msia distributors funny lot. Dun put effort on after sales.

But that being said, chery still a bit new here. If I'm in your shoes, I'll monitor for a year or 2 first.
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Accurate statement. Unless buy recond made in Japan then difference scenario. Those CKD quality down to drain already, all only concern on profit but skip on quality. Uneven bumper gap is famous.
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QUOTE(tctham @ Aug 18 2023, 12:43 PM)
I think it's not really far worse, but more like. No guarantee. If you unlucky, you can get pretty bad ownership experience with non-china cars these day too. QC for jap makes are not like yesteryear.

Toyota used to be associated with reliability, but that's not a guaranteed these days
China car used to be associated with cheap fit and finishing, that is no longer the case too

What has it going for chery (and some other china makes like gwm) is that the manufacturer is backing the cars themselves here, as opposed to relying on distributorship. Msia distributors funny lot. Dun put effort on after sales.

But that being said, chery still a bit new here. If I'm in your shoes, I'll monitor for a year or 2 first.
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That's true, that's why I'm waiting for a year before putting my money into it, after all it's 120k+, not small amount. So definitely giving 1 year to see how the car is, what everyone who drove the car for a year got to say.
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1st batch delivered? still haven't seen any otr yet.
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QUOTE(gid @ Aug 18 2023, 02:42 PM)
1st batch delivered? still haven't seen any otr yet.
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Don't think will be so soon, SA only started accepting orders since July ( correct me if I'm wrong ). Spare parts however, have already arrived ahead of cars in 4S service center in most places I believe, at least in Johor.
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 18 2023, 02:04 PM)
Accurate statement. Unless buy recond made in Japan then difference scenario. Those CKD quality down to drain already, all only concern on profit but skip on quality. Uneven bumper gap is famous.
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With the huge drop in quality, I've began to accept inconsistent bumper gaps too. It's the feature failures that worries me. Gearbox issue, steering rack issue, electric parking brake issue, laggy head unit.

At the rate our auto industry is going, short lifespan of bearings or radiator rust also seems like the better problem to face, since fixing is easy, just costly. Some of the issues that car owners are facing these days, wanna troubleshoot also frustrating
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QUOTE(Sotsotzaii @ Aug 18 2023, 02:32 PM)
That's true, that's why I'm waiting for a year before putting my money into it, after all it's 120k+, not small amount. So definitely giving 1 year to see how the car is, what everyone who drove the car for a year got to say.
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I think one of the common let down for most chinese cars are their suspension setup. Or maybe I'm just too picky haha.
And their head unit UI also generally not my cup of tea. A little too fanciful, to the point where it hurts user experience. In terms of UI, less is more for me.
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QUOTE(Sotsotzaii @ Aug 18 2023, 02:51 PM)
Don't think will be so soon, SA only started accepting orders since July ( correct me if I'm wrong ). Spare parts however, have already arrived ahead of cars in 4S service center in most places I believe, at least in Johor.
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Anybody here ordered? wondering how long is the waiting time if order now.
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Suggest you check the cost of services and parts prices.... Next how stock up are those parts and service facilities.

More features means more potential possible faults.
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Smart one TS, by next year your opinion might be change cos more EV coming in and more charger too. Temptation of switching to EV will be there too!
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QUOTE(carvajal18 @ Aug 19 2023, 09:45 AM)
Smart one TS, by next year your opinion might be change cos more EV coming in and more charger too. Temptation of switching to EV will be there too!
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I think the ev temptation is mainly if you like the futuristic look and the instant torque.

Ev Interior wise, i think looks a little gimmicky, like they not sure what is the best design yet, just try and make it look as futuristic as possible, which kinda hurts the user experience while driving (like tesla speedometer is at the center screen only, some ev cars only can change certain settings from menu, like aircond and etc, which is difficult when driving)

We still not too certain about road tax pricing structure.
Ev got a lot of hidden costs and certain limitation depending where you stay.
Landed not much issue but installing home chargers will cost you 10k or more, depending how far is your house from the electric pole.
Condo subjected to management, see whether they allow you to install charger or not.
There will always be a shortage of public chargers. Companies in charge of building charging stations will yield best profit when there is a slight queue for the charger. If chargers always available, means there are lapse of time where the chargers are not generating income.

Ev cars need ev tires, which are usually more expensive
Ev running costs depends on your household electricity usage too. If you live with big family, lots of ppl using electric, the rate of your house charging is higher than a bachelor living alone. I think ev is coming, but not as soon as what the hype is suggesting.
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QUOTE(tctham @ Aug 19 2023, 11:05 AM)
I think the ev temptation is mainly if you like the futuristic look and the instant torque.

Ev Interior wise, i think looks a little gimmicky, like they not sure what is the best design yet, just try and make it look as futuristic as possible, which kinda hurts the user experience while driving (like tesla speedometer is at the center screen only, some ev cars only can change certain settings from menu, like aircond and etc, which is difficult when driving)

We still not too certain about road tax pricing structure.
Ev got a lot of hidden costs and certain limitation depending where you stay.
Landed not much issue but installing home chargers will cost you 10k or more, depending how far is your house from the electric pole.
Condo subjected to management, see whether they allow you to install charger or not.
There will always be a shortage of public chargers. Companies in charge of building charging stations will yield best profit when there is a slight queue for the charger. If chargers always available,  means there are lapse of time where the chargers are not generating income.

Ev cars need ev tires, which are usually more expensive
Ev running costs depends on your household electricity usage too. If you live with big family, lots of ppl using electric, the rate of your house charging is higher than a bachelor living alone. I think ev is coming, but not as soon as what the hype is suggesting.
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Last time saw car show for kia EV6. Exterior wise look great, kinda special. But inside just meehhhh, typical UMW Toyota hard plastic everywhere. Price T20+
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 19 2023, 11:10 AM)
Last time saw car show for kia EV6. Exterior wise look great, kinda special. But inside just meehhhh, typical UMW Toyota hard plastic everywhere. Price T20+
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Yep. Looks good, but when you actually touch it, it's really just the looks. Not terrible, but for that price, i think ICE cars have better interior?
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QUOTE(tctham @ Aug 19 2023, 12:05 PM)
I think the ev temptation is mainly if you like the futuristic look and the instant torque.

Ev Interior wise, i think looks a little gimmicky, like they not sure what is the best design yet, just try and make it look as futuristic as possible, which kinda hurts the user experience while driving (like tesla speedometer is at the center screen only, some ev cars only can change certain settings from menu, like aircond and etc, which is difficult when driving)

We still not too certain about road tax pricing structure.
Ev got a lot of hidden costs and certain limitation depending where you stay.
Landed not much issue but installing home chargers will cost you 10k or more, depending how far is your house from the electric pole.
Condo subjected to management, see whether they allow you to install charger or not.
There will always be a shortage of public chargers. Companies in charge of building charging stations will yield best profit when there is a slight queue for the charger. If chargers always available,  means there are lapse of time where the chargers are not generating income.

Ev cars need ev tires, which are usually more expensive
Ev running costs depends on your household electricity usage too. If you live with big family, lots of ppl using electric, the rate of your house charging is higher than a bachelor living alone. I think ev is coming, but not as soon as what the hype is suggesting.
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Nah I disagree that you saying EV futuristics looks, not all though.. there are someone that platform comes from original Petrol variant and convert to EV.

Roadtax was mention by Minister of transport that price will definitely cheaper than petrol, we just have to wait and see by end of the year.

Hidden cost as in? Battery warranty 8 years, drive train depend on brand, some 8 some 5.. lesser parts means lesser problem no?

installation 10k more also depending like what you say, I'm not sure if you in the Malaysian Electric Vehicle owner group on facebook, plenty of owner who dont even have home charger and relies on public charging, works fine for them too.

I mean the list goes on, if you against it there will be plenty of excuse if you love it there is nothing stopping you from getting one.

Just saying,its your choices your money. Good luck! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(carvajal18 @ Aug 21 2023, 09:44 AM)
Nah I disagree that you saying EV futuristics looks, not all though.. there are someone that platform comes from original Petrol variant and convert to EV.

Roadtax was mention by Minister of transport that price will definitely cheaper than petrol, we just have to wait and see by end of the year.

Hidden cost as in? Battery warranty 8 years, drive train depend on brand, some 8 some 5.. lesser parts means lesser problem no?

installation 10k more also depending like what you say, I'm not sure if you in the Malaysian Electric Vehicle owner group on facebook, plenty of owner who dont even have home charger and relies on public charging, works fine for them too.

I mean the list goes on, if you against it there will be plenty of excuse if you love it there is nothing stopping you from getting one.

Just saying,its your choices your money. Good luck! thumbup.gif
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Short story.
Buy EV safe petrol, standby for battery price and all related accessories once k.o after warranty ended. Not just battery, the other accessories related also pricey.

ICE only pay for petrol price. Maybe better RV vs EV
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 21 2023, 10:03 AM)
Short story.
Buy EV safe petrol, standby for battery price and all related accessories once k.o after warranty ended. Not just battery, the other accessories related also pricey.

ICE only pay for petrol price. Maybe better RV vs EV
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ICE only pay for petrol price? kek
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QUOTE(bsa12 @ Aug 21 2023, 03:00 PM)
ICE only pay for petrol price? kek
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 21 2023, 03:01 PM)
battery replacement at rm1k? once warranty ended
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But i never say battery replacement at RM1k. doh.gif
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QUOTE(carvajal18 @ Aug 21 2023, 09:44 AM)
Nah I disagree that you saying EV futuristics looks, not all though.. there are someone that platform comes from original Petrol variant and convert to EV.

Roadtax was mention by Minister of transport that price will definitely cheaper than petrol, we just have to wait and see by end of the year.

Hidden cost as in? Battery warranty 8 years, drive train depend on brand, some 8 some 5.. lesser parts means lesser problem no?

installation 10k more also depending like what you say, I'm not sure if you in the Malaysian Electric Vehicle owner group on facebook, plenty of owner who dont even have home charger and relies on public charging, works fine for them too.

I mean the list goes on, if you against it there will be plenty of excuse if you love it there is nothing stopping you from getting one.

Just saying,its your choices your money. Good luck! thumbup.gif
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comparison of slightly similar size and price SUV

Price
Ora Good Cat 400 Pro - RM 139,800
BYD Atto 3 SR - RM149,800
HRV V - RM 135,900
Corolla Cross GR - RM 141,290
I chose highest possible ICE without hybrid, vs similar priced EV, assuming consumer looking at solely price point / budget perspective.

Dimensions (LxWxHxWB)
Ora Good Cat 400 Pro - 4235 x 1825 x 1596 x 2650
BYD Atto 3 SR - 4455 x 1875 x 1615 x 2720
HRV V - 4385 x 1790 x 1590 x 2610
Corolla Cross GR - 4450 x 1825 x 1620 x 2640
All of them is similar sized.

Roadtax
Ora Good Cat 400 Pro - RM287 (exempted till 2025)
BYD Atto 3 SR - RM903 (exempted till 2025)
HRV V - RM120
Corolla Cross GR - RM360
Unless there is a change in EV roadtax calculation, EV roadtax will be a lot more expensive compared to ICE.

Tires
Ora Good Cat 400 Pro - GitiComfort 225 v1 (215/50R18) | (cannot find 215/50R18 from same seller, so chose the closest size, 245/45R18) Michelin Primacy 4 ST RM755 / pc
BYD Atto 3 SR - Atlas Batman A51 (215/60R17) | Michelin Primacy 4 RM 575 / pc
HRV V - Continental UC6 (225/50R18) RM490 / pc | Michelin Primacy 4 RM670 / pc
Corolla Cross GR - Toyo Tires Proxes GR1 (225/50R18) (245/45R18 RM487/pc) | Michelin Primacy 4 RM670 / pc
If one wants to leverage max benefit of an EV, they should get EV tires, but it is difficult to look for EV tires pricing currently, due to low demand. EV tires such as Michelin Pilot Sport EV / Pirelli P Zero Elect / Continental PremiumContact 6 with ContiSilent. For better illustration, someone replaced their Continental PremiumContact 6 255/45R20 tyre with ContiSilent for him RM2,412 while standard non-ContiSilent would go for around RM1300-1400 range.
Take this info with a pinch of salt, because tire pricing is just a very rough estimation. I try to get the same pricing from same seller so that at least we can get the relative pricing.

Running cost
Ora Good Cat 400 Pro - 400km (NEDC) => 320km (80% of NEDC) & 47.79 kWh
(Assuming charge from 30% -> 80% and will use 50% range for calculation,
using starbucks 60kW charger, RM1.2 * 23.9kWh = RM28.68 => 17.92c/km,
Gentari 50kW-180kW charger, RM1.5 * 23.9kWh = RM35.85 => 22.41c/km,
TNB 80kW charger, RM2.05/min * 32min = RM65.6 => 41c/km).
Assuming home AC 6.6 kW 1-phase charger, 30->80% will take 3.6hr, and assuming 1400km/mth, will need charge 8.75 cycles, 8.75 * 3.6 = 31.5 kWh/mth
Assuming 80%->30% can run for 160km, and assuming you need to charge 8.75 cycles to run 1400km, 8.75*23.9kWh = 209.125kWh/month
if your bill is <RM17.82/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 209.125*RM0.314 = RM 65.67/mth => 4.66c/km
if your bill is >RM17.82/mth & <RM115.64/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 209.125*RM0.496 = RM 103.73/mth => 7.41c/km
if your bill is >RM115.64/mth & <RM269.98/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 209.125*RM0.526 = RM 110/mth => 7.86c/km
if your bill is >RM269.98/mth & <RM924.69/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 209.125*RM0.551 = RM 115.23/mth => 8.23c/km
if your bill is >RM924.69/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 209.125*RM0.671 = RM 140.32/mth => 10.02c/km
BYD Atto 3 SR - 410km (NEDC) => 328km (80% of NEDC) & 49.92 kWh
(Assuming charge from 0% -> 80% and will use 80% range for calculation,
using starbucks 60kW charger, RM1.2 * 39.9kWh = RM47.88 => 18.25c/km,
Gentari 50kW-180kW charger, RM1.5 * 39.9kWh = RM59.85 => 22.8c/km,
TNB 80kW charger, RM2.05/min * 45min = RM92.25 => 35.16c/km)
Assuming home AC 7 kW 1-phase charger, 30->80% will take 3.6hr, and assuming 1400km/mth, will need charge 8.54 cycles, 8.54 * 3.6 = 30.74 kWh/mth
Assuming 80%->30% can run for 164km, and assuming you need to charge 8.54 cycles to run 1400km, 8.54*24.95kWh = 213.07kWh/month
if your bill is <RM17.23/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 213.07*RM0.314 = RM 66.9/mth => 4.78c/km
if your bill is >RM17.23/mth & <RM114.15/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 213.07*RM0.496 = RM 105.68/mth => 7.55c/km
if your bill is >RM114.15/mth & <RM268.31/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 213.07*RM0.526 = RM 112.08/mth => 8c/km
if your bill is >RM268.31/mth & <RM924.69/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 213.07*RM0.551 = RM 117.4/mth =>8.39c/km
if your bill is >RM924.69/mth, your monthly charge to charge your EV car is 213.07*RM0.671 = RM 142.97/mth => 10.21c/km
HRV V - 15.4km/L 40L => 12.3km/L (80%) & 32L & max realistic range around 392km & 16.7c / km (using ron95 Rm2.05)
Corolla Cross GR - 15km/L Paultan tested figure of mixed driving & 47L => 15km/L & 37.6L & max realistic range of 564km & 13.7c / km (using ron95 Rm2.05)
We all know ICE car rated fuel consumption is overly optimistic, so i will take 20% discount from the claimed figure. I will also take 80% of the fuel tank as well, cause we rarely drive till the tank is empty. For EV, will take WLTP figures, or -20% if non-WLTP.
(if you are using AC charger at home, my neighbor asked the installation cost from the event at setia alam convention center recently and was quoted slightly more than RM10k with the power pole right in front of our house, but I think this figure is a little unbelievable for most people since the online article says much cheaper. i think best for you to refer to those FB groups that installed it at their home) Carput website says The cost for an EV Charger typically ranges from RM3,000 – RM5,900 for a 7kW depending on the brand and type (socket/tethered) of the chargers. As for our installation service, the price starts from RM1,200 – RM1,800 depending on the cable length and the installation method required. We will conduct a test on your distribution box and check on your electrical components before we proceed to install. So you can look at RM 4.2k - 7.7k if you trust online resources)
You will notice that the cost is SIGNIFICANTLY lower for AC charging (if my math is correct), mainly because DC charging gives you the "convenience" of fast charging, and the facility installation by the company. on the other hand, AC charging is alot cheaper because it is slow, and you need to pay the upfront cost of the wallbox and also the cable length installation. I will not do the calculation that include the wall charger because i do not have a reliable figure unless I go ask for quotes)

Maintenance
I will not go into breakdown of components because it's hard to predict which component will go bad. in ICE, there are a lot of engine components that have potential to go bad within 5 years, such as engine mount, car batteries, spark plugs, engine oil, transmission oil, radiators/cooling coil if you don't take care of it. While the EV only have the motor and the battery and it is more likely that the battery needs replacement more than the motor itself. Even then, it is not expected for them to require replacement within 5 years. so i will assume EV car have no maintenance costs short of wear and tear parts which are shared with ICE, such as tires (mentioned above), suspension system. Check with BYD / Ora owner for the service schedule becuase I can't find it online although other countries mentioned needed to replace the drivetrain coolant, while the manual says there is a schedule to follow but it was not stated what was the schedule.
Honda HR-V V- RM 3982.8 / 5yr
Corolla Cross GR - RM 4090 / 5yr if service based on the advance schedule

Here I have listed down the comparison for you all to have a look. I clarify again, i am not for nor against EV. Just find it a little annoyed when people keep saying the flowery aspect of things and not giving the full picture. Like people will sing praises for proton SUV being affordable, but never take into account the replacement of that huge SUV tires. for expensive cars like BMW, we don't talk about the tire size but when you talking about cars with <RM150k, those market group that purchase these cars, do not have a lot of excess cash to spend on car maintenance. Heck, I know many ppl that break up the major service so that the total cost for that service can be spread into 2 different service session.

I too considered getting an EV for my mom as her daily ride, hence I was trying to understand the cost and ownership experience of an EV. If I have enough funds, I would get an EV because my mom usage is suitable for EV, and I already have a family car meant for highway cruisiing, so I just needed a city ride. But I have a family to take care and already paying installment for the family car, so my mom's EV will have to wait.

diff people diff priorities. that is why we have different cars meant for diff target market. But what I am trying to advocate here is, take a look at the big picture, and see if it really suits you, because it will really sucks when you buy into a car, listening to all the good stuff, and realize the car has some major deal breaker after using it.

for me, i always look into the bad points first (i think you see it as excuses), and then i judge, "can i live with this?" "will the good stuff from this car, make me overlook these bad points?"
if yes, i buy. if not, i skip. It's more than love that counts if you have a limited budget.
If i talk solely on love, i would have bought hyundai i30n back then, and live on bread for 10 years. or buy the hyundai sonata (new/used despite the global market already said they are axing this model due to low popularity) or even buy the proton inspira when I couldn't prudently afford it.

Update: recalculated the ac costs cause i made a mistake in calculation. Also took into account for the ICPT rebate and surcharge, which is why the final tier had a jump in pricing. Do understand that the calculation is complex and I'm assuming you owning the car, doesn't throw you to the next rate bracket. If you are in between brackets, the calculation will be different (costing between the current tier and next). Also if you drive more or less than 1400km/mth, the calculation will be different as well (cause usage changed, and the amount needed to go to next tier changes and etc)

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Actually I'd love to hear more feedback from people who have driven Chery cars in the past, for example someone in Youtube comment wrote that he drove chery for 20+ years without any major problem, in fact, the only thing he changed over the years is gearbox.

Apparently for spare parts it's no big issue, at least nothing to worry about for now because Chery is working together with Tiong Nam for the spare parts, and according to Bobby ( The car guy ) Chery used to only be a sole distributor in Malaysia, but with the upcoming Chery revamped, the whole manufacturer is moving into Malaysia, that would implies that they are serious about the Malaysia market and their cars. The main concern to most would be the reliability.

So to those who have driven Chery in the past or current, please do give your value feedback.

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QUOTE(bsa12 @ Aug 21 2023, 03:04 PM)
never heard EV battery replacement yet. but engine replacement plenty.
But i never say battery replacement at RM1k. doh.gif
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U need to find more. FB car group also got for battery replacement. Camry hybrid many owner bought used cz cheap price, suddenly meter shown battery issue, need few k for replacement. And many has no idea that there are other accessories on top of battery that cost expansive as well. I follow Prius fb group, it also cost expansive for battery replacement
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QUOTE(rumahwip @ Aug 21 2023, 05:42 PM)
conclusion?
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Unless our ron 97 sold at rm3, no point using EV atm for me. Thailand sell their petrol at open price, that why their customers prefer EV car.
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QUOTE(Sotsotzaii @ Aug 18 2023, 11:34 AM)
Some would say not to expect much from China made cars in terms of their quality both exterior and interior, gearbox etc.

But the truth is, most reputable car brands like H / T / Local brands, their quality are far worse.
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I do agreed with H got many problems especially the mighty steering rack and some CVT issue. But for T the product quality is still reliable, only behind Mazda (not sure about Subaru coz sales too low). Local brand P2 is better than P1. I have enough experienced with P1 and the X50 battery spoilt as soon as 1 month the new car collected and power window switch issue within 6 months.
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T still ok but nowadays very expensive for the spec. they r selling reputation. H more fancy but less reliable. if wan fancy get C car
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 22 2023, 07:56 AM)
U need to find more. FB car group also got for battery replacement. Camry hybrid many owner bought used cz cheap price, suddenly meter shown battery issue, need few k for replacement. And many has no idea that there are other accessories on top of battery that cost expansive as well. I follow Prius fb group, it also cost expansive for battery replacement
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Hybrid is not EV
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So did anyone actually buy this car?
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QUOTE(Moderna @ Aug 22 2023, 01:56 PM)
So did anyone actually buy this car?
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Hybrid is not EV
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actually it is. i used to think it is not

What is EV on a car?
An EV includes both a vehicle that can only be powered by an electric motor that draws electricity from a battery (all-electric vehicle) and a vehicle that can be powered by an electric motor that draws electricity from a battery and by an internal combustion engine (plug-in hybrid electric vehicle).
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QUOTE(Moderna @ Aug 22 2023, 01:56 PM)
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yes, but none of them kepoh2 here..
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Last I checked, this Omoda 5 is not an EV. Why you guys talk about battery, hybrid here?
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QUOTE(hjack @ Aug 23 2023, 09:16 AM)
Last I checked, this Omoda 5 is not an EV. Why you guys talk about battery, hybrid here?
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there is plan by Chery to introduce the Omoda 5 EV model next year. other market already had that
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 23 2023, 09:17 AM)
there is plan by Chery to introduce the Omoda 5 EV model next year. other market already had that
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Do u think chery will have new facelift yearly for omoda 5 ? curious..
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QUOTE(Sotsotzaii @ Aug 23 2023, 11:11 AM)
Do u think chery will have new facelift yearly for omoda 5 ? curious..
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Not facelift but another variance of it

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 23 2023, 05:17 AM)
there is plan by Chery to introduce the Omoda 5 EV model next year. other market already had that
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last i heard was they wanna do that by year end

so can wait n see
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QUOTE(rumahwip @ Aug 23 2023, 07:16 AM)
actually it is. i used to think it is not

What is EV on a car?
An EV includes both a vehicle that can only be powered by an electric motor that draws electricity from a battery (all-electric vehicle) and a vehicle that can be powered by an electric motor that draws electricity from a battery and by an internal combustion engine (plug-in hybrid electric vehicle).
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ya, ya, you whatever you want.., please don't buy EV la, hybrid, PHEV, ... even ICE car because got battery inside
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 23 2023, 01:10 PM)
Not facelift but another variance of it
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Would the EV variant be better than the petrol one though ? I have doubts about it.
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I do agreed nowadays the Japanese model quality no built like last time , actually not just Japanese model even the more expensive Conti model facing the same issue. But they still competent in the market till today. QC is just parts of it, after sales service is the main things that need to focus on. No matter how good QC u get without good after sales service still useless.

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QUOTE(popmaster22 @ Aug 23 2023, 09:10 PM)
I do agreed nowadays the Japanese model quality no built like last time , actually not just Japanese model even the more expensive Conti model facing the same issue. But they still  competent in the market till today. QC is just parts of it, after sales service is the main things that need to focus on.  No matter how good QC u get without good after sales service still useless.
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U mean CKD model? Made in Kulim and Kuantan one?
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U mean CKD model? Made in Kulim and Kuantan one?
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Yes CKD model, it doesn't matter where. That's y nowadays people go for recon or CBU on the Japanese and Conti model and hoping that they will not get those QC issue.

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QUOTE(Sotsotzaii @ Aug 18 2023, 02:51 PM)
Don't think will be so soon, SA only started accepting orders since July ( correct me if I'm wrong ). Spare parts however, have already arrived ahead of cars in 4S service center in most places I believe, at least in Johor.
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The SA told me September for first batch delivery. Not sure how true is that.
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QUOTE(popmaster22 @ Aug 24 2023, 08:59 PM)
Yes CKD model, it doesn't matter where. That's y nowadays people go for recon or CBU on the Japanese and Conti model and hoping that they will not get those QC issue.
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generally, I agree. last time when my family eyeing E Class, the feelings are different for CKD vs CBU especially the Japan Recond Merz unit. The fit and finish is better on it, end up taking Japan Recond E Class last time, long time ago
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QUOTE(Moderna @ Aug 22 2023, 01:56 PM)
So did anyone actually buy this car?
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post Sep 1 2023, 07:38 AM

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test drove O5, quite impressive with the power delivery, just slight lagging compared to T8 despite almost 100hp diff and less floaty

question is, compare to HRV V spec. which is 25hp higher and 18k more expensive (22k if 9 yrs loans @ 2.5%) and higher RV and branded but no 360 cam, which 1 will you put ur money on?
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QUOTE(rumahwip @ Sep 1 2023, 07:38 AM)
test drove O5, quite impressive with the power delivery, just slight lagging compared to T8 despite almost 100hp diff and less floaty

question is, compare to HRV V spec. which is 25hp higher and 18k more expensive (22k if 9 yrs loans @ 2.5%) and higher RV and branded but no 360 cam, which 1 will you put ur money on?
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The only drawback from HM is poor NVH, thin or some area were cut for sound insulation materials. This make it just a tiny improvement vs P2. Not to add Steering Rack issue happening to all their model now, City, Civic, HRV. Known one City owner who already on 4th steering rack claimed under warranty
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post Sep 1 2023, 08:27 AM

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so if Chery has good after sales, will be good fight with HM
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post Sep 1 2023, 10:52 AM

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mainly reason for HRV is Bangsa H and RV
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post Sep 1 2023, 11:14 AM

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Hi all, please move yourself to the new Official Chery Omoda 5 thread for general discussion / advice seeking / sharing driving experience.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=5404336
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post Sep 1 2023, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Sep 1 2023, 08:01 AM)
The only drawback from HM is poor NVH, thin or some area were cut for sound insulation materials. This make it just a tiny improvement vs P2. Not to add Steering Rack issue happening to all their model now, City, Civic, HRV. Known one City owner who already on 4th steering rack claimed under warranty
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This one not a problem anymore?

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=5356373&hl=
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post Sep 1 2023, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(hjack @ Sep 1 2023, 11:42 AM)
Repaired at expenses of rm4k plus
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post Sep 1 2023, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Sep 1 2023, 12:11 PM)
Repaired at expenses of rm4k plus
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own pay?
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post Sep 1 2023, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(rumahwip @ Sep 1 2023, 12:31 PM)
own pay?
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Right after warranty end, 5 years plus. Mileage kene at 120k km
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post Sep 1 2023, 02:30 PM

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