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 Are there pure life annuity products in Malaysia?

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Wedchar2912
post Jul 17 2023, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 17 2023, 12:22 PM)
Forget about annuity plan. Just do it yourself. It's not that hard. Dump say RM100k into public bank or Maybank and continue collecting dividend until perpetually. It's a cheap DIY annuity vs what those insurance companies can sell you. All the commission and fees. Save the commission and fees and go out for nice makan with family.
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annuities are cheaper (a lot cheaper if the pricing are competative) and more certain. Just take on additional risk of the provider going bankrupt.


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post Jul 17 2023, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 17 2023, 01:51 PM)
Nah, I prefer to DIY my own plan. Don't forget about sales commission
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that is true... for those of us who knows how to DIY and understands the difference. but common folks may not want to bother...

our way we still have the "principal" left for our descendants.

The traditional annuity will leave nothing upon death. Imagine buying one to start receiving income at age 60, but one kong at age 62. wasted.
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post Jul 17 2023, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jul 17 2023, 01:54 PM)
I have a mix of strategies - my bonds & their coupons are a form of annuity, and I supplement that with purchased annuity plans from established players like AIA, and then there's the CPF Life, which I'll be enrolling when I turn 55.
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yours is actually way better than many other's. Diversification of income stream and risks.

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post Jul 17 2023, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jul 17 2023, 02:01 PM)
Yes, you are correct. But my wife and I decided against kids when we got married 30 years ago so our strategy reflects our life choice.
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actually, your case is very special. based on a few of your postings, while your spending may appear high to many of us here, it is actually nothing compared to your networth/assets. And your assets are quite liquid, which makes it quite robust.

Plus due to your life choice, you don't need to get any annuity product at all. May as well just invest the annuity portion in some bond funds that goes super long duration and diversified across currencies.

Annuities are usually for people who worries they may live longer than their assets can last them, hence they convert that risk into a fixed cashflow as long as they are alive.
To some, they wanted diversification of risk.

There is something called too rich to be insured (retirement cashflow that is). biggrin.gif
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post Jul 17 2023, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Jul 17 2023, 06:11 PM)
Annuity portfolio actually failed in Malaysia in the 80s... (if I have my facts right)

So you won't find any in Malaysia.

While annuities are great, it takes all the risk away from you, but it doesn't hurt too much to do it on your own.
On this matter, I actually agree with @Ramjade.

Just start early, start now, be diligent about it.

OR

To approach it DIY style with higher certainty, maybe engage an FP?
I highly endorse @holocene for this purpose thumbsup.gif
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It is still cheaper to get an annuity that say starts paying at age 65 till death,
than to build a portfolio to match the cashflow starting age 65.

The difference is the lump sum at death, which the annuity provider will factor in. Think of it as a bet on how early the person will die.

btw, insurance providers love these products to reduce their insurance book risk.
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post Jul 18 2023, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jul 18 2023, 06:35 AM)
The annuity plans I purchased were kind of a natural progression from the original “didn’t know any better so buy insurance” plans which I guess every young man who’s a bit financially naive went through with a friend of a friend’s who works as an insurance agent.

Once I realised that my income and savings and passive returns were more than required to cover my old age and then some, I changed strategies and focused more on full health insurance coverage and bought annuity plans instead of life or worst, investment linked policies.

These plans were bought decades ago, around the same time as my bond purchases started. They had lower entry criteria - I didn’t have to have $250,000 in cash per bond - so these annuities also had their value then.

I personally wouldn’t buy them again if I had a chance to turn back the clock, but hindsight is always 20/20…
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curious... does the annuity provider allow you to redeem/terminate the plan and pay you back the "value" of the annuity plans?
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post Jul 18 2023, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jul 18 2023, 03:48 PM)
Only in death - they pay 101% of all premiums paid. This is a pure savings plan. I pay for 10 years (I finished paying last year), and I draw $10,000 once I turn 65 until I die. I better stay healthy, so I get back more than I paid for hahaha.
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that, or just don't inform them when you are gone....

like how Malaysia got dead people still "alive" and can go vote in election... tongue.gif cool2.gif

 

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